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You like language! Wanna help with my BA thesis on album review lingo?

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I am in a bit of a pickle and need to fill some pages fast. I know this topic has been discussed before, ( I especially remember the excessive use of -esque being discussed in a podcast a while back - can you remember which one it was?) but I would like to hear your opinions on a couple of specific aspects of album reviews.

One thing I'm discussing in my paper is heavy premodification, especially using phrasal compounds, like the Word's very own David Hepworth's "it's got the put-it-on-when-you-don't-know-what-the-hell-else-to-put-on market all sewn up" (issue 100 p.87)

I think this is closely related to sniglets - there should be a word for this phenomenon (the "put-it-on-when-you-don't-know-what-the-hell-else-to-put-on"-phenomenon) but there just isn't. Yet.

Do you have any other constructions in mind you think are interesting?

Do you think there are constructions especially typical for rock journalism and can you give any guesses why that might be?

Do you like them? Hate them? Why?

Thanks a bunch!

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A second album is never a second album.

It's a "sophomore effort".

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Moose the Mooche | 21 October 2011 - 9:09am

Oh, the usual suspects.

Reviewers love a bit of hyperbole - you know, the "shimmering sonic cathedrals" school. I sort of feel for them, to be honest - it's the old dancing about architecture problem - but if I ever read the word "sonic", I'm afraid I tend to snort derisively and disregard the entire review.

Eamonn Forde has said that there are really only two reviews possible: Shit and Not Shit. I'm sort of with him on that. Unfortunately, most reviewers haven't had the memo.

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Bob | 21 October 2011 - 9:29am

Not sure

The "shit/not shit" thing is a good example of Word reductive thinking just for effect. See also "all producers do is make sure the mics are switched on". Reviewing an album and saying "it's not shit" is bollocks. What sort of criticism is that? I completely agree with you about the "sonic cathedrals of sound" rubbish, but good critics can pique your interest and generate excitement in a new record and there are any number of examples of this. Mind you, in this day and age all you need to do is find a few clips on line and make your own mind up. So if the best a reviewer can come up with is "it's shit", mags like Word might as well get out of reviewing all together. An old moan of mine about Word is that I wish there was more news - xyz is releasing a new album/free download etc, which enables a bit of pre purchase investigation by the reader. Then I'll decide if it's shit. Which, as you pointed out recently, it almost certainly will be.

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Twangothan | 21 October 2011 - 9:57am

I seem to remember a U2 album having...

... "shimmering shards of sepulchral sound".

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Tippy Wooder | 21 October 2011 - 10:17am

Oh...

I thought that was one of Captain Haddock's outbursts.

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murrance | 21 October 2011 - 1:22pm

...and I seem to remember Smash Hits

constantly mentioning that quote throughout the 80s too, much to my amusement.

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andielou | 21 October 2011 - 7:05pm

Aeolian

Not forgetting the description of The Beatles 'aeolian cadences' and 'pandiatonic clusters' :

http://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/12/27/the-times-what-songs-the-beatles-...

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jazzjet | 22 October 2011 - 4:55pm

Well...

...the Shit/Not Shit thing is clearly a joke, but it has a point, which is that describing music is really difficult, and enormously subjective, and mostly pointless. Your bit about "mags like Word might as well get out of reviewing all together" is spot on. They might as well, indeed. The reviews section in any magazine is the least useful or interesting bit as far as I'm concerned.

OOAA.

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Bob | 21 October 2011 - 10:44am

I'd be happier with a simple list of new releases and reissues

Maybe a sentence of factual text for reissues/compilations - along the lines of "Recorded live at Fairfield Halls, Croydon on the 1973 tour" or "A compilation of previously released tracks from the Warner Bros albums, no previously unreleased material" - so I can determine if it's of any interest to me.

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stimpy | 21 October 2011 - 1:43pm

Exactly.

Possibly also "On tour". Doesn't seem a lot to ask.

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Twangothan | 21 October 2011 - 4:51pm

Thing is...

I want Word to write passionately about music I haven't heard and get me interested in it. When they do they are better than most. Basically that is what I want from the mag. Not necessarily just the reviews, the articles too. The first couple of hundred editions of Mojo were pretty much perfect for me, before they started to run out of ideas.

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Twangothan | 22 October 2011 - 3:55pm

Then there's the less than favourable review

"What is this shit?" - the opening gambit of Greil Marcus' 1970 Rolling Stone review of Bob Dylan's Self Portait

"Shit Sandwich" - the two word review of Spinal Tap's Shark Sandwich. Publication unknown

also by Spinal Tap:

Intravenus de Milo "This tasteless cover is a good indication of the lack of musical invention within. The musical growth rate of this band cannot even be charted. They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry."

The Gospel According to Spinal Tap "This pretentious ponderous collection of religious rock psalms is enough to prompt the question: 'What day did the Lord create Spinal Tap and couldn't he have rested on that day too?'"

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mojoworking | 21 October 2011 - 11:05am

Is a 'sniglet'

some sort of skinny, brown, knobbly vest?

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Helena Handcart | 21 October 2011 - 9:45am

It's a vest

made from the skin of baby pigs.

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Leedsboy | 21 October 2011 - 9:55am

I thought it was a very

very brief snigger.

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Moose the Mooche | 21 October 2011 - 10:12am

No. That would be a

snig.

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Leedsboy | 21 October 2011 - 4:35pm

wow

For some reason, I began thinking about music journalist reviews last night during a bout of insomnia. A bit better than counting sheep I suppose. I thought "why do they always say 'sophomore effort' and remember the Paul Morley era NME when Echo and the Bunnymen and friends were always producing 'Sonic cathedrals'? You know what? there is a Word thread there." I thought to myself

Then I look at today's site and.....spooky. Anyone know about Sheldrick's Morphic Fields? Looks like they were working then.

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BigJimBob | 21 October 2011 - 10:41am

Sheldrick's Morphic Fields?

TMFTL here on the Perfumed Garden.

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stimpy | 21 October 2011 - 1:47pm

Kerching

I have always wanted to produce a TMFTL post. And actually it's Sheldrake...Rupert Sheldrake. Sheldrick is another character entirely.

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BigJimBob | 21 October 2011 - 3:20pm

Seminal.

An adjective much beloved of music journos.

I've always found it (ahem) difficult to swallow.

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Moose the Mooche | 21 October 2011 - 10:45am

Simon Nicol

out of Fairport Convention, speaking onstage.

"This next song is from Liege & Lief, an album which has often been called 'seminal' by the music press - (pause for effect) - although why anyone would want to do that to an LP I can't imagine".

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mojoworking | 21 October 2011 - 11:09am

Waiiiitaminute ...

Write your own B.A. Thesis, you slippered pantaloon. You weren't there for my woodwork "O" level.

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Burt Kocain | 21 October 2011 - 11:11am

I know I know...

I'm a leach. But I figured, this seems to be a linguistically minded community centered around a music magazine, so you just might be interested in discussing this just for fun.

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iFlyDC3 | 21 October 2011 - 12:43pm

*takes out red pen*

That's "leech". See me.

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Bob | 21 October 2011 - 12:50pm

Oh dammit.

I'm not a native English speaker. But that's still no excuse.

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iFlyDC3 | 21 October 2011 - 1:12pm

Haha, I'm kidding.

Sorry, I'm really not a grammar/language pedant (except professionally, that is). I was just having a chuckle. As you were!

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Bob | 21 October 2011 - 1:48pm

Even redder pen ...

You don't centre around something, you centre on it.

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epigone | 21 October 2011 - 1:44pm

Idioms and phrasal verbs...

Are curious buggers. Thanks for keeping me alert!

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iFlyDC3 | 21 October 2011 - 1:59pm

Very gracious of you

If I were you I'd have challenged epigone to a second-language showdown.

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murrance | 21 October 2011 - 3:16pm

Any excuse for Archie Bell & the Drells ...

(There's gonna be a) Showdown

Though, given that I have two left feet in my mouth, I think it's a foregone conclusion who would be the victor, whatever the contest.

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epigone | 22 October 2011 - 8:59am

There's a rule

that says something can't just be beautiful, it has to be hauntingly beautiful. Much like how anyone who gets a bit cross now has to be incandescent with rage...

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toiras34 | 21 October 2011 - 12:31pm

Melodies are frequently

'limned' or 'fretted'. What?

You don't see it so much now but bands used to be called a 'formidable live proposition'.

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FakeGeordie | 21 October 2011 - 6:25pm

Mario Balotelli's bathroom

was incandescent with flames

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Glenbervie | 25 October 2011 - 1:15am

Albums by REM and the Stones are always...

a return to form. Even if they aren't.

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Art Vandelay | 21 October 2011 - 12:38pm

Bowie

in the 90s/00s each new LP was heralded as 'his best since Scary Monsters'

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Dr Volume | 21 October 2011 - 5:45pm

When 'Goats Head Soup' came out...

it was hailed as The Stones' best album since Exile on Main St..

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Patrick Crowther | 24 October 2011 - 10:01am

Hmm.

I agree with Twangothan. Reviews are not totally useless in that they can "pique your interest and generate exitement in a new record"

My fascination with reviews stems from exactly the fact which Bob pointed out: "describing music is really difficult and enormously subjective, and mostly pointess".

To me, that in a way is what promotes inventive language use (or sadly, as many of you pointed out, also tired empty metaphors and cliches). It's a challenge to convey the listening experience to a reader in a way that's tangible and interesting, and make it at least appear authoritative and relevant.

Also, all that needs to be done quickly and within a word limit, which I imagine is one reason for lexically heavy sentences in which every noun is modified with as many adjectives a as possible.

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iFlyDC3 | 21 October 2011 - 1:07pm

'quickly and within a word limit...lexically heavy...'

This is absolutely spot on I-Fly.

I think there IS a lot of guff in reviews sometimes, but one aspect that a lot of critics of critics often miss or don't think about is what you describe: the word count, often very limited indeed. I often struggled morally with the idea that as a reviewer of CDs you're maybe critiquing a year's work and creativity from someone in 150 words. It's never going to be easy if you burdon yourself with that thought.

also, you're writing - especially if it's in a newspaper rather than music mag - for a wide audience: casual readers, fans, diehards, regulars of that newspaper who like and trust its editorial style and may have little interest in the subject but are prepared to read your piece...

So it's got to be READABLE first and foremost (tailored to the style/nature of the publication, to an extent at least) and self-contained, not relying on readers having much previous knowledge of the artist, unless its a household name.

And, yes, the lexical heaviness comes from often coercing two or three sentences in normal speech into one, with shoe-horned sub clauses, to save on wordage.

Given that this is the Word blog (home of Thompo-mania) here's an example from yore, published in the Irish Times a century ago. Be warmned, though - the word 'sonic' appears!

Richard Thompson
Waterfront Hall, Belfast
Published: Irish Times, January 12 1998

We may never know if Robert Johnson sold his soul or if Elvis still hangs around supermarkets but the orthodoxy that an evening in the company of Richard Thompson is a fast track to doom and despair is, on the hard evidence of this commanding, soulful and extraordinarily dynamic performance simply wrong. For two thirds of the show, entirely alone, he powered through material that ran the gamut of light and shade, here demonstrating a consistency in both quality and accessibility that has not always been the case with individual albums.

Kicking off with the 1988 single ‘Turning Of The Tide’, the notion of one man, one guitar as a limited sonic experience was immediately out the window. With a singular technique, and the canny use of effects via the mixing desk, a pulsing bass figure and scurrying, mischievous lead lines flowed with deceptive ease from the one set of fingers and thumb to drive home a song that, far from being miserable, was positively rocking.

For every archetypal Thompson ballad there were songs that revelled in the celebration of life. Embodying the characters in his songs, the passion of Thompson’s performance brought momentary life to the street-fighting deviant of ‘I Feel So Good’, the thrill-seeking biker of ‘1952 Vincent Black Lightning’ and the shadowy heroine of ‘Beeswing’ – a song that, like his best work, explores complex emotions in a story that while complete in itself leaves a space marked ‘conclusion’ for the listener. When his son Teddy joined him for some “family favourites” at the end – proving himself a stunningly effective vocal substitute for Linda – we were in cosy, familiar territory, but the adrenalised powerhouse of Thompson on his own is an experience that adding to will never better.

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Colin H | 25 October 2011 - 10:03am

Sounds like a great gig

Actually, sounds like the one I went to earlier this year!

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Twangothan | 25 October 2011 - 10:18am

There's no denying...

...he's a commanding solo performer. I'm not exactly a fan, as such - though I do love aspects his electric lead guitar style - and would never listen to any of his solo albums, but I've seen few solo performers who can command a room like the Thompmeister - and Belfast's Waterfront Hall is a very big room indeed!

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it I'd put Thompo in the same bag as Jimi Hendrix - musicians I love to watch, wrestling ideas on their instruments, but who I'd rarely care to just listen to on a CD (the Fairport Thompo era excepted)...

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Colin H | 25 October 2011 - 10:48am

I blame Q

..for a lot of this stuff. Who was responsible for starting that mag...? Oh.

If you need reference material, I have every issue since 8 in the loft...and every single Mojo....(ceiling collapses).

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NigelT | 21 October 2011 - 1:15pm

Thanks..

I might give you a call when it's MA time... I do have a few years worth of Q, plus some Mojos and Uncuts.. So far my sample of 24 reviews will have to make do. If it sounds small, it's because this research is purely qualitative. And that's good enough for a 20-page paper, I think... Don't know if my professor agrees, though.

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iFlyDC3 | 21 October 2011 - 1:32pm

Look through your Selects for a review of...

...Rez by Underworld. The reviewer described it as 'an eternally deferred techno orgasm of unremitting intensity' which became my stock description of anything I quite liked for the next couple of years.

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Cobweb Steve | 21 October 2011 - 5:49pm

Andrew Harrison

surely?

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Dr Volume | 22 October 2011 - 3:33am

Don't forget

Track one is where an artist often 'sets out their stall' and, as caPtain haddock has been mentioned above, I have often read guitar solos described as 'blistering'

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Vorgongod | 21 October 2011 - 1:42pm

Fiction Reviews

Getting off the point I admit, but whenever I read reviews of the kind of novels that are entered for the Booker Prize, they seem to contain a phrase like "a meditation on themes of identity, memory and loss."

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Melville | 21 October 2011 - 1:42pm

That's why sci-fi is more fun

And sci-fi book reviews tend to contain phrases like "some brilliant ideas and a great gag about space lobsters". I can meditate on themes of identity, memory and loss for myself.

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Glenbervie | 25 October 2011 - 1:18am

"a meditation on themes of identity, memory and loss."

... which turns out, surprise surprise, to be about a middle-aged, middle-class writer/academic (in other words a pitifully thinly disguised version of the author) having an improbable affair with a poorly-drawn 21-year-old-woman who, bizarrely, talks as if she's 60.

I've read a few of these.

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Moose the Mooche | 25 October 2011 - 9:12am

.... Hang on, you're doing a thesis on... music journalism?

What a doss!

In my day you certainly couldn't do one an anything that is read for fun.

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Moose the Mooche | 21 October 2011 - 1:46pm

My favourite-ever review

...of The Tide is High by Atomic Kitten, in Time Out, writer forgotten, review committed to memory...

'This record will appeal to the kind of woman whose idea of a great night out is to get plastered on Bacardi Breezers at the Limelight Club, followed by a blazing row in the street with her boyfriend, then making up in the Gerrard Street car park with a drunken fuck.'

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pocket.calculator | 21 October 2011 - 1:47pm

My kind

of woman.

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Leedsboy | 21 October 2011 - 4:37pm

Can I just say...

'This record will appeal to the kind of woman whose idea of a great night out is to get plastered on Bacardi Breezers at the Limelight Club, followed by a blazing row in the street with her boyfriend, then making up in the Gerrard Street car park with a drunken fuck.'

They all need loving...

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jackthebiscuit | 21 October 2011 - 5:36pm

Seriously

go straight to AllMusic and Pitchfork.

Pitchfork's reissue reviews very rarely mention the music or the artist under discussion, usually consisting of a memoir of the author's masturbatory adventures in the college dorm at whatever time the record originally came out.

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Moose the Mooche | 21 October 2011 - 1:50pm

"It's like a cross between

Band A and Act B." See also, "Imagine a cross between..." or "Should appeal to fans of..."

It's sometimes appended with, "... but without the banjos" or some such. This is only done to try to prove the reviewer has at least fast-forwarded through a few of the tracks rather than paraphrasing other reviews of the same record.

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Mark JF | 21 October 2011 - 5:27pm

See Robert Altman's The Player

Pitching to movie producers: "It's Die Hard Meets Room With A View"

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Moose the Mooche | 21 October 2011 - 5:31pm

I think it was Stuart Maconie who said

I think it was Stuart Maconie who said - "No one sings, they carry out the vocal chores"

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jackthebiscuit | 21 October 2011 - 5:38pm

On acid

things tend to be like something 'on acid' fairly often too.

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Cobweb Steve | 21 October 2011 - 5:52pm

Banned review phrases

Wasn't there a thread about phrases that Mr Ellen won't allow in reviews? (Or maybe it was on a podcast.) 'Foisted on an unsuspecting public' was one.

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PaddyB | 21 October 2011 - 6:01pm

Found it

and I'm ashamed to say it was a lot easier than I thought - it's on the first podcast. (Or the one that's labelled first)

But haven't been able to locate a thread about it yet.

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iFlyDC3 | 21 October 2011 - 7:42pm

Mark Ellen

Famously banned what he called "the perpendicular pronoun" after being traumatised by the Penman/Morley axis at the NME. Probably also had something to do with the Smash Hits desire to trivialise everything. Much about this in "In their own write" by Paul Gorman which you should read as part of your studies. Excellent book!

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Twangothan | 22 October 2011 - 4:06pm

Paul Gorman, rather than Dave.

But I agree that it's an excellent book :-)

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stimpy | 22 October 2011 - 4:07pm

I realised that!

Our posts crossed in the ether!

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Twangothan | 22 October 2011 - 4:10pm

Thanks

for the tip! I will definitely be ordering that book from Amazon. I've got no time to use it for this particular paper though, sadly.

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iFlyDC3 | 24 October 2011 - 9:56am

Oh and songs...

...are never "written". They're "penned".

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Bob | 21 October 2011 - 6:31pm

From Sister publication

Mixmag
ethereal- anything "Chill Out"
Eclectic - Whenever refering to a mix that has no flow.
Intelligent - time signatures that don't work.
Ambient - there's no beat.
Brainchild - bloke who doesn't actually play anything
Sensual - Your bird might like it.
Deviant - for people off their faces.
Dubbed out- Someone has a new effect.
sumptuous - Loads of instruments
sun-dappled wonky electronica -Google translator didn't recognise the language.

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Sour Crout | 21 October 2011 - 7:46pm

Zappa-esque - it means

"I have no idea what to say, except it sounds amazing and has no precedent apart from the hundreds of musical references" - of which the reviewers can probably count two - "rock" and "classical".

Neither of which they know anything about.

Because, as FZ is alleged to have said, they are writers who can't write, reviewing musicians who can't play, for readers who can't read.

There is your thesis.

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Mousey | 22 October 2011 - 5:50am

Errr... not quite - playing didn't come into it.

This is what he said: "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, in order to provide articles for people who can't read." Here's 'Watermelons in Easter Hay.'

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Mark JF | 22 October 2011 - 7:17am

Point taken

you are of course correct. He always respected musicians who could play.

(bows)

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Mousey | 22 October 2011 - 8:34am

Can we also chastise

magazine art directors who invariably print photographs the wrong way around so we see a mirror image and it appears as if guitarists are left-handed (as Frank does on the Inca Roads clip above).

There must be a snappy name for this cock-up in the industry, but I can't think what it is.

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mojoworking | 22 October 2011 - 9:44am

don't look now but (whispery voice)

some designers do it on purpose to make the pages look better

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Glenbervie | 25 October 2011 - 1:21am

That only

makes it worse, somehow

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 1:24am

Stubborn oafs

I've had that conversation too:

Me: You've made him left handed...
Mac jockey: (as if talking to a small child): Yes, because it's a right... hand... page...

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Captain Underpants | 25 October 2011 - 8:31am

Sorry but,

if you're a typesetter and a printer, flipping images is so deep-rooted that it's nigh on impossible to allow yourself to send something to print when you've ignored that 'rule'.

In defence, though, I never do it when there are visible words in the image or if it's particularly obvious for other reasons. And that for every one of you that notices there are a hundred who don't and subliminally appreciate the layout in some intangible and difficult-to-justify way.

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murrance | 25 October 2011 - 9:44am

Anything country

that was slightly left of centre was always "the bastard son of Johnny Cash".

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McLongWhiteCloud | 22 October 2011 - 7:22am

which the sub usually cut to

Sue

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Glenbervie | 25 October 2011 - 1:22am

Guilty-as-charged-for-doing-this-kind-of-thing-recently

The words have a connection that isn't immediately obvious, but that connection, in this context, is so strong that normal punctuation simply can't handle it.

I think it should be called a Brady Bunch. Why? Because the eight members of the Brady Bunch are two unconnected groups of four. When you blend families together, the two surnames are often separated - and also connected - by the hyphen.

The hyphen tells us that the words are connected - it also tells us that the words are separate. Sounds confusing and contrary? Yes. But we understand the hyphen completely. Again, a parity here with the Brady Bunch. No questions were asked. We just understood.

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Austin | 22 October 2011 - 7:53am

A guitarist can occasionally be referred to as

a "plank-spanker".

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duco01 | 22 October 2011 - 8:53am

..and yet keyboard players are no longer routinely referred to

as "keyboard merchants"

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stimpy | 22 October 2011 - 10:51am

Drummers

"Skinsmen"

{also used for newsagents}

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Moose the Mooche | 25 October 2011 - 11:11am

Platters, waxings and... rigid baby pancakes?

Post-vinyl, they never really came up with any elegant-variation terms for CDs, did they?

And nobody seems to have mentioned "duties" yet, as in "[name] on [instrument] duties".

Oh, and the other big two much-mocked clichés, besides the shimmering soundscapes, are "unrepentant doowop harmonies" and "jangly guitars".

My current favourite, though, is one that a certain doyen of Bono toadies and inspiration for a major motion picture - he'd best remain nameless but we fans just call him "the Master" - has used more than once: "percussive drums".

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Archie Valparaiso | 22 October 2011 - 9:43am

Platters

Even Word has not been immune. Once, and it was several years ago, I read an article which referred to a band's 1976 double album, sorry, that's '1976's double platter offering'. I didn't carry on reading.

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Gatz | 24 October 2011 - 10:37am

So, perhaps

not their finest effort then, but far from their worse

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Sheev | 23 October 2011 - 12:47pm

Just remembered

the Guardian Guide's review of the Fugees "When We Were Kings" which, as you may know, is heavily reliant on samples from ABBA's Name of the Game:

"If Doctor Johnson heard this he might say to the Fugees, "Sirs, your rap single is both good and original: but the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good""

Ace, whoever wrote it.

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Moose the Mooche | 24 October 2011 - 10:49am

Don't forget that old review stalwart...

..."groinal bass"

How low can one get?

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Baskerville Old Face | 24 October 2011 - 5:16pm

Consider yourselves lucky

that you have people who (apparently) know what they're talking about when it comes to album reviews. We have to put up with idiots like this muppet (http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/blog-on-the-tracks) here in the Colonies....

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PhilOBrien | 24 October 2011 - 11:59pm

I'm used to this level of poor writing

in Australia, but one thing I've never understood is the Aussie/NZ media's insistence on referring to bands in the third-person singular all the time: "Coldplay has just released its fifth album".

ITS fifth album?

They do it with football, too. 'Manchester United slumped to ITS first home defeat in 50 years on Saturday" etc etc.

Not only in the print media, either, they say it on radio and TV too.

I don't doubt that it's possible to find an explanation for why, strictly speaking, it's correct but bloody hell, it doesn't half sound crap.

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 12:24am

Never really noticed it before

but now you mention it, I'll keep looking for more instances of this, along with my other habit of driving home trying to find examples of "accommodation" spelt incorrectly.

It's a long, boring drive...

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PhilOBrien | 25 October 2011 - 12:27am

Sky News Australia

is one of the worst offenders for this. Their sports coverage is third-person singular all the way.

It's probably in their style guide.

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 1:27am

well when you think about it

Manchester United is a football club and it plays matches ... we've just got used to the idea that "Manchester United" is taken to mean "a collection of blokes" or "them", so Manchester United play matches ... it's such a deep-seated convention that seeing the third person singular (Blondie is a group) looks weird, but it really isn't

PS: i think the FT uses the singular for football clubs for example

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Glenbervie | 25 October 2011 - 1:30am

That's true

and I did say that above.

But it often looks and sounds very strange, especially when a band has a definite article.

"The Beatles released its fifth album in 1965" will never sound right somehow regardless of how technically correct it may be.

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 1:39am

They do this in the States too.

I think it's the UK, of anglophone countries, that's on its own on this one. I can see the logic, but yeah, it sounds weird to me too.

I remember reading Nick Hornby's "31 Songs", which has some of his New Yorker pieces at the end, and finding his sudden switch to using the singular for bands very disorientating. Or should that be disorienting? (No.)

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Bob | 25 October 2011 - 7:04am

They do vacillate though

I mean, the countries who use third-party singular would never say "Coldplay IS coming to America. IT will arrive next month.

At least we appear to be consistent in the UK.

(waits for someone to point out a glaring inconsistency).

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 7:35am

"Coldplay is coming to America"

Rolling Stone use this form.

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stimpy | 25 October 2011 - 10:38am

Sorry

what I meant to say was they will often change from singular to plural within the same sentence, and write "Coldplay IS coming to America. THEY will arrive next month".

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 10:59am

That sounds like a...

...threat.

What sum are they/is it demanding not to carry out this heinous deed?

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Colin H | 25 October 2011 - 11:07am

Someone

is going to suffer, either way.

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mojoworking | 25 October 2011 - 11:15am

Heavy Metal Riffs

"Doom Laden" - Slow songs, see "Black Sabbath" by Black Sabbath

"Bludgeoning" - Fast songs, see "Neon Knights" by Black Sabbath

"Gonzoid" - Songs where the guitarist's foot is on some effects pedal or other.

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Hawkfall | 25 October 2011 - 9:45am

Famously, Def Leppard named their record label after

the headline in a Sounds review... "Bludgeon Riffola"

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stimpy | 25 October 2011 - 10:40am

Fascinating...

...I didn't know that, Stimps. Good job the reviewer hadn't headlined his review 'Crock of S**t'!

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Colin H | 25 October 2011 - 10:47am

Steven Wells, NME singles reviews, circa 1988:

"I think it was Auden, was it not, who said of Alien Sex Fiend: 'Bloody 'ell, are they still at it? What a load of pooh!'"

And I think he may have written the review of Genesis's execrable 1991 live set We Can't Dance, which ended with "I bet even the Sting album's better than this". The Sting album (another live clunker) was reviewed directly below it - the review ending with, "I bet even the Genesis album is better than this".

RIP that man.

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Moose the Mooche | 25 October 2011 - 12:35pm

To be a first class record reviewer..

you need to.
A/ Get reverb mixed up with tremolo (especially when writing about the one good single The Electric Prunes recorded.)
B/Refer to Nick Drake whenever some twazzock picks up an acoustic and sings quietly.
and C/ Continue to rave on about The Velvets, MC5 and The Stooges even though after 40 years, still no-one is interested.

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shane pacey | 28 October 2011 - 3:10am

Or get reverb mixed up with echo, or flanging with phasing

... and if anybody uses slide guitar or anything else vaguely bluesy they got it off Led Zeppelin, cos they invented it didn't they?

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Moose the Mooche | 28 October 2011 - 2:57pm
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