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Moose the Mooche's picture

Of the many pointless ways I mentally categorise music, perhaps the strangest is "Music Whose Historical Importance I Fully Recognise, But Don't Ever Want To Listen To Again In This Life Or the Next."

Examples:

1. Suicide. Come on, does anyone really voluntarily listen to them for fun? But brilliantly revolutionary, in their own way. Led to all kinds of good stuff.

2. The Slits. Challenging, radical, liberated/liberating.... absolutely horrible. Well done, but please make it stop.

3. Tyrannosaurus Rex. Hippy nonsense. But without that we don't have T Rex, without whom we don't have much reason to live.

4. Tales From Topographic Oceans. I like earlier Yes, but it took these 24 inches of distended ludicrosity to make many people slowly realise that this prog thing really had gone too far. In a small way, it made punk rock possible.

5. Be Here Now. Wake up Britain, this watched kettle ain't gonna boil. Liam, Tony and Noel won't save yer. You're on your own.

6. Aphex Twin. Brilliant. But Yeccccchhhhh. I feel soiled.

Any more?

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The Slits?

I always thought this had a kind of wacky genius to it...Unique anyway and more so with the passing years.

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ablewalker | 18 January 2012 - 12:24am

Ach, was wollen Sie mit your "Slits are rubbish"?

I have a friend (hey DFB!) who holds the same exact opinion. And yet he only knows Typical Girls and, for him, "Cut" is an unknown beast. Tsk and furthermore tsk. The aforementoned album is a brilliant, evocative distillation of the Ladbroke Grove scene of the late 1970s and is one of the best punky reggae hybrids of its time - funny, a bit scary and wonderfully free and spacey in a manner now sadly lost from music.

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Melrose Ape | 20 January 2012 - 11:10pm

Correction

I don't even know Typical Girls. I've just going on brief exposure to terrible singles and live clips. Fuzzbox had more musical worth than those deluded unfortunates.

"Revolutionary days were sadly over
And a cool profile down Ladbroke Grove
Won't make it no more
You could wake up in a doorway"

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DogFacedBoy | 21 January 2012 - 1:54pm

Dr Dre's 'The Chronic'

To be admired musically. But this is a horrible, repulsive record. I find the nasty hateful lyrics too much to tolerate.

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boredjames | 18 January 2012 - 12:31am

Really?

This worries me as I really haven't noticed this.

I find it pretty mild.

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Chimney Singing... | 18 January 2012 - 10:34am

Bitches Ain't Shit is pretty horrible.

But generally agreed. It's a remarkable record, and doesn't offend me.

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Bob | 18 January 2012 - 11:52am

I haven't got that on my version

Where does it appear in the album? Mine is nearly 20 years old - is it on a re-release or something?

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Chimney Singing... | 18 January 2012 - 12:06pm

Track 16 on mine.

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Bob | 18 January 2012 - 5:09pm

Compton Glee ?

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Sour Crout | 18 January 2012 - 9:54pm

Those bitches stole that dope tune

Ben Folds - Bitches Ain't Shit

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DogFacedBoy | 18 January 2012 - 10:36pm

Compared with The Geto Boys or 2 Live Crew

it's like the collected works of Shere Hite and Germaine Greer.

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Moose the Mooche | 18 January 2012 - 2:13pm

Misogyny aside, there is

Misogyny aside, there is glorification of guns and killing people in pretty much every track! 'Rat-Tat-Tat-Tat' 'The Day the Ns Took Over'

I know this is a feature of a significant number of films and computer games but it all feels particularly real on this record. There is no element of humour or fantasy to it.

Maybe I am a bit too sensitive for it all.

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boredjames | 18 January 2012 - 5:53pm

Well

'The Day That the Niggaz Took Over' is about the LA riots, so it should seem pretty real. Plenty of humour in the rest of the album though.

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Chimney Singing... | 18 January 2012 - 6:50pm

Aphex Twin

I like, but to be honest I think the real geniuses of that era in electronic music were his label mates Autechre. They were doing similar stuff but were sort of overlooked because Richard D James had a bit of a wry sense of humour and provided all sorts of things the music press could get a handle on, he claimed to write music in his sleep, he lived in a disused Bank vault and claimed to own a Tank. Autechre were just a couple of Hip Hop anoraks from Rochdale.

Aphex has done some good tracks but hasn't made a consistently good LP since 1995 and certainly hasn't done anything particularly ground breaking this Century. He's fallen back on re-hashing old Acid House tropes and ploughed the dreaded 'Drill n Bass' furrow to death. It's odd that he got all the attention, and that he's been seen as one of these acts you 'must hear' and people feel obliged to check out.

Autechre have released a slow but steady catalogue of increasingly mind boggling LPs. Their stuff is often borderline unlistenable at first, but after a few listens starts to sink in and then many years later you hear the likes of Radiohead picking up on their ideas, their ideas filter through to some of the more forward thinking R&B/Hip Hop/Dance producers too. Whatever they're doing now..someone will turn into Pop music in about 8 years time. They're utter geniuses and one of the most important British music acts of the last 20 years. I will write a "Colin H on The Mahavishnu Orchestra" style article on them at some point ;

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Dr Volume | 18 January 2012 - 2:54am

I look forward to the article.

Maybe you could call it, "Chiastic Quaristice Repetae - Oversteps in the Confield and other sonic adventures."

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Mark JF | 18 January 2012 - 9:16am

Autechre

Wow. Great post. Yes Autchere are amazing, and they are so overlooked. There's something for everyone there too, from the acid 'Incanabula', ambient 'Amber' (my personal favourite) and then the more free-form stuff from later in their career.

I was listening to Aphex's 'On EP' on the way to work this morning. Breathtaking stuff.

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Art Vandelay | 18 January 2012 - 11:37am

Thank you kindly

I like the later stuff that sounds like someone pouring ball bearings into a cement mixer, on the moon.

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Dr Volume | 18 January 2012 - 6:08pm

I like the sound of this.

Trouble is, there are 33 album's worth to navigate. I'll risk a twenty, but no more than that, so here's my challenge: give me the names of 3 of their CDs to represent their work to date. Which ones do I investigate?

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Vulpes Vulpes | 18 January 2012 - 8:43pm

33? Are you sure?

I like Tri Repetae, Amber and Untilted.

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Art Vandelay | 19 January 2012 - 12:23pm

Amazon

seems to think so.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 19 January 2012 - 1:45pm

Yeah I'll second that

(the 33 "LPs" on Amazon also includes all the singles and EPs..Amazon can't tell the difference)

The three LPs Art recommends would be a great start.
Amber is probably their most easy listen, a thing a beauty and probably their most ambient album albeit with a few rough edges which hint at where they would go next. Tri Repatae is a little bit harder, but generally considered to be one of their classics and a good mix of the ambient and the more mathematical stuff.
If you're still into it, then go for Untilted or Draft 7.30 where it all gets seriously bonkers, like a 4 dimensional musical puzzle that you have to try and assemble in your brain...or something.

You need to persevere with this band. I had the benefit of getting these records as they came out and having several years to digest them. I didn't like Amber particularly until it suddenly grabbed me about 2 years later! Same with the others.

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Dr Volume | 20 January 2012 - 4:11am

Thanks chaps,

I've taken the plunge and ordered Tri Repatae, according to the perverse logic that told me Amber sounded too conventional, and that though Chiastic Slide was by far the most intriguing title, it scared me a bit.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 January 2012 - 6:57pm

33? Are you sure?

I like Tri Repetae, Amber and Untilted.

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Art Vandelay | 19 January 2012 - 12:23pm

That would have been funnier

three times

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STD | 19 January 2012 - 12:31pm

White Stripes

Great image, Jack White clearly listened to all the right records growing up and his heart is obviously in the right place. He's a fly in the ointment of modern soulless, digital recording methods, if you will.

However, despite some half-decent records, I've seen the White Stripes live and it was the most god-awful, tuneless racket imaginable.

It was like watching a busker beating seven bells out of a cheap guitar plugged into an even cheaper amp. His fuzzbox was cranked up to the point where any semblance of musical pitch was swallowed up into a vortex of white noise and the notes dissolved in mush.

Meanwhile, Meg looked like someone on her third drum lesson as she plodded along gamefully on her toy kit.

Two people in a rock band? It just doesn't work.

Let me add, I’ve enjoyed some of the things Jack’s done since then.

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mojoworking | 18 January 2012 - 4:35am

When the White Stripes are mentioned

I'm always reminded of Steven Van Zandt's comment, "that's not rock, that's performance art."

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Sir Tainley Gno... | 18 January 2012 - 5:33am

Good quote from Little Steven

Erratum: actually, I think I may have invented a new word in my earlier post there.

Clearly, I meant to say "gamely" and not "gamefully"

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mojoworking | 18 January 2012 - 1:10pm

Lightning Bolt

Heard a snippet of a Lightning Bolt album at a friends house and thought it was something worth investigating. Like a heavier White Stripes I thought. Got an album of theirs and it was unlistenable. Similarities to White Stripes ends at the 2 person rock band status. Got my revenge on the world of music by lending it to a lady I work with who had lent me a Dollie Parton album in return. ha ha ha.

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wickerman1138 | 23 January 2012 - 2:01pm

Suicide & Slits

I do like to listen to both of them but in a strictly limited quantity. One or two tracks at a time and not taken too often is extremely uplifting.

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JohnW | 18 January 2012 - 7:54am

Suicide

Love them to bits, still listen to them. I've seen them several times, best of all was supporting Iggy & The Stooges. Suicide played their first album, and it was a joyful brutal racket.

I still listen to the bootleg of that gig, too.

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el hombre malo | 18 January 2012 - 8:36am

Me too

Especially the first album (although I sometimes skip Frankie Teardrop).

Brooce is a big fan of Suicide, is he not?

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Brookster | 18 January 2012 - 9:26am

Indeed he is.

Here he is singing Dream Baby Dream

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el hombre malo | 18 January 2012 - 10:22am

Suicide

Also love them and love seeing them live.
'Keep your Dreams' is a beautifully poignant song that I can not just listen to once. I end up listening to it on a loop for about half an hour. Blissful.
'Ghost Rider' did scare the shit out of me and my mate one dark night.

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ianess | 18 January 2012 - 6:05pm

Saw Suicide

supporting Nick Cave's Grinderman on their 1st UK outing. Man there was alot of hate in that room for them. The messageboards were awash the next day with "worst group evurrrrr" comments. I rather liked them.

They came back for the encore to play with Cave. Cue more unhappy people!

And saw Bruce perform DBD at the Albert Hall - was so hypnotic and trippy.

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DogFacedBoy | 18 January 2012 - 10:43pm

Ghost Rider

There's something really primitive and scuzzy and exciting and dangerous about that song. Even if they'd never done anything else, they should be immortalised for it. Love it.

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Brookster | 18 January 2012 - 11:12pm

A Love Supreme...

I've tried. Just... can't... quite... make it.

I know it's (a) worthy, (b) highly lauded and (c) very cool, but despite liking a lot of jazz, this always strikes me as really hard work and a bit 'udon', IYKWIM.

I'll leave "Trout Mask Replica" alone - it's crazy, and I've listened to it in tiny concentrated bursts over the years, but someone more qualified will no doubt be along shortly to comment further...

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oktapod | 18 January 2012 - 9:13am

"24 inches of distended ludicrosity"

Just knowing that this phrase now exists somewhere on the internet has made me a happier and more rounded person.

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skirky | 18 January 2012 - 9:58am
mojoworking | 18 January 2012 - 1:15pm

Tyrannosaurus Rex

and I mean the proper one with Steve Peregrin Took and that Bolan fella, were a superb band. If you don't like Unicorn then really, I despair for you and your empty meaningless life.

Why do I love Unicorn ? Well, there's Took's percussion of course, that's a given, but it is uniformly fantastic throughout. But then there's Bolan's singing - I have sat in front of the speakers as the vinyl spun, listening to the album with the gatefold sleeve (with all the lyrics on it) open in front of me, and I still couldn't tell what words Bolan was using. That is genius of a serious level.

That last sounds like it might be tongue in cheek - it isn't. From Chariots of Silk to Romany Soup there is not a bad moment on the album.

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Slick | 18 January 2012 - 1:13pm

Proof - if it's needed

Groovy.

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Slick | 19 January 2012 - 1:12am

Early Kraftwerk.

The debut double-album, Tone Float, Ralf And Florian. All ground-breaking, all enormously important in creating a sonic framework around which which huge numbers of subsequent artists would build their work, all a load of unlistenable bleepy atonal old wank.

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Lenny Law | 18 January 2012 - 1:47pm

Tone Float - prime candidate

is awful. And those bits of Kraftwerk 2 that have someone breathing in and out of a harmonica... crikey o'riley.

But without it we don't get to fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n, and then where would we be.

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Moose the Mooche | 18 January 2012 - 2:12pm

Ralf & Florian

I like that album. Proto-Kraftwerk, with a bit of flute.

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Brookster | 18 January 2012 - 5:11pm

John Mayall's Bluesbreakers

with Eric Clapton

Bought it, heard it, acknowledged it, and have no real desire to listen to it again (and now I've written that, I'm going to go and play it)

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Rigid Digit | 18 January 2012 - 7:38pm

It's good

IMHO

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Slick | 18 January 2012 - 8:31pm

The Beano album

It's probably one of the top 5 most important British albums of the 60s (if not of all time).

IMHO

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mojoworking | 18 January 2012 - 9:06pm

I think if you wonder what the fuss is all about

with Clapton, this album will tell you. Fiery, exciting guitar playing.

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Sven Garlic | 18 January 2012 - 10:05pm

Agreed

Hideaway and Steppin' Out are almost all the Clap you'll ever really *really* need.

Props to the quietly mighty Hughie Flint too.

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Moose the Mooche | 18 January 2012 - 10:38pm

Can? Can't!

I've tried to like Can, really have. I understand how they're very influential, but the £28 I spent on a couple of their albums back in the mid-nineties is never coming back.

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wahwah | 18 January 2012 - 10:34pm

Are you sure?

I just love this...Even for it's time is was a novel amalgamation of ideas...Mark E Smith..John Lydon..Both big fans.This wasn't "hippie" music.

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ablewalker | 18 January 2012 - 11:10pm

Try 'Anthology'

There's tons of great stuff on there. You're already £28 down: drop another £15. It'll be worth it.

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ianess | 19 January 2012 - 1:22am

I'm curious

Which couple of albums was it you bought?

Can are a minefield, and you can easily end up with a turkey if you don't buy the right album. I'm betting it was something like "Soon Over Babaluma" and "Saw Motion" you bought, instead of "Ege Bam Yasi" and "Future Days".

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Stephen Merrick | 20 January 2012 - 6:24am

I'm not so sure

I like Soon Over Babaluma and Saw Delight (there's also an album called Flow Motion), I find both quite easy to listen to. Babaluma is especially good - Come Sta La Luna is pretty catchy and Quantum Physics is a beautiful electronic piece. I think their earlier stuff is more raw, droney and heavy going - some of Tago Mago and Soundtracks for example. Soup off Ege Bamyasi is quite hard work and a bit tedious. I can see why many are put off but there's a lot of tracks with a lighter, more melodic touch.

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Sven Garlic | 20 January 2012 - 9:56am

"Saw Motion"!

D'oh.

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Stephen Merrick | 20 January 2012 - 9:48pm

back in the day

I picked up a copy of 'unlimited edition' back in 1993 mainly because of the 'name' (as in "Can are dead influential, etc) and the sleeve (which still looks great), which along with the opening track (Gommorah?) seemed a good reason to buy it. A couple of years later I got Cannabalism I, around the time that a remix album was being released, that seemed to have lots of my favourite bands at the time on it. I just couldn't get into it, I'm afraid

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wahwah | 20 January 2012 - 10:47pm

Yes

You've picked the one good track off Unlimited Edition there: Gommhorah is fantastic.

Cannibalism 1 is not much cop.

I would seriously recommend anyone looking to write off Can to try Future Days before they do. It may not be to your taste, but if you don't like that then you probably won't like anything else by them.

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Stephen Merrick | 21 January 2012 - 12:15am

I'm genuinely perplexed

I love The Slits and still play them. I remember taping the Peel sessions and running (literally) down to Good Vibes after school with my mate Chris to get "Cut", then playing it to death. Like most people, I probably wouldn't be gutted if I never heard Frankie Teardrop again, but I love the first two Suicide albums. Loved Tyrannosaurus Rex, and still play Can all loads. Not cause they're historically important but because they made great records. You either like stuff or you don't, surely. Just because it's supposedly important or influential doesn't make it any better. I'm baffled. This won't change anyone's mind one way or other but it's great.

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Sgt Pluck | 18 January 2012 - 11:38pm

Yes it hurt, did it work?

Joanna Newsom Ys. Sorry guys but this is the most godawful drivel. And it got five star reviews everywhere. What the heck do I know?

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Steve Turner | 20 January 2012 - 5:18am

Correct - it is drivel

but fails my test because I don't accept that JN is of any historical importance - except that it is perhaps final and definitive proof that a consensus of music journalists can still lead to the endorsement of music that is not only not very good, but actively appalling.

"Ys" is both bad and unnecessary. Like pulling out a good tooth.

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Moose the Mooche | 20 January 2012 - 10:02am

Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan at Joujouka

No knock on the musicians. But one's consciousness cannot be altered to the point where this becomes listenable.

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ivylander | 23 January 2012 - 4:57am
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