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X Factor does The Beatles
Posted by BigJimBob on 20 November 2010 - 9:10pm.
oh dear. this could be Car Crash TV. What WILL Wagner do?
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Isn't the X Factor...
always car crash TV?
Cheryl Cole Looked Nice Though, Didn't She.
I don't really want to admit that I think she is one of the best looking women on TV, and I'm not sure why I wouldn't want to, but by jove she has a smile that could light up the darkest pits of hell.
Cow, as Mrs ITFC1959 would have it.
car crash in a vest
so far
Imagine???
Er....
My Guess Is Wagner
Will do A Day In The Life
The intro was
"One of the biggest ever bands". ONE!!!! surely THE.
Oh f**k
One Dimension are destroying another classic.
But think of all the kiddies
downloading the original from the newly available iTunes. What are the chances of it being Beatles week that same week that happened?
True words mate
I love The Beatles more than any other band but, they certainly know how to exploit a money making opportunity and I think you have summed it up perfectly with that comment.
Maybe next week will be Del Amitri week. What are the chances of that happening?
Ha ha
at least that might get the viewing figures down a bit.
What are the chances of that
erm, pretty slim.
Well, it's never been fully established
whether Del Amitri ever existed.
I have some friends in the music business who swear that the shadows on their TOTP performances are all wrong. There are too many anomalies that don't add up.
Macca....
...was on American Idol a couple of seasons ago, as a mentor. And the contestants all did Lennon/McCartney songs as the theme. So nothing new.
I am just starting to watch it now. I think it may make me cry. The US version did.
Hmm, I don't think you're
Hmm, I don't think you're right about that. Paul has never been on American Idol as a mentor. The only thing he did this past year was tape a 30-second message on Beatles night, wishing good luck to the AI contestants. But he's never actually been on the show.
Ah, must have misremembered...
...I was sure I remembered him around the piano. I remember really liking one of the contestants' versions of one of the songs, but that's about it.
Is it possible
you're thinking about the Peter Kay spoof Jo? Mr fab macca wacky thumbs aloft was on that, duetting the theme to 'Home & Away' as I recall.
*watches Wagner destroying Beatles songs*
*cries*
Imagine
Isn't a Beatles song, so I'm expecting Cher to be disqualified.
Maybe it was listening
to versions of Beatles songs as crap as this that inspired Charles Manson. Certainly making me feel vaguely murderous
Macca turned up on X-Factor last year
and shared a song and stage with Jedward. He's already sinned.
My favourite tweets so far have been by Mark Gattis
"Its not only my guitar that's gently weeping"
Let's play
Guess how many times one of the judges will say "You really made that song your own". I said twice at the start of the show and Mrs Axekeith is not committing so tonight, I have no competition. So come on Massive, lay your bets.
Making the song your own
X-Factor shorthand for singing every line off the beat.
Wagner
I have it on good authority that Wagner is doing You Know My Name, Look Up The Number.
All You Need Is Love
That was appalling. Really really bad. (We're about 20 mins behind, btw, having watched Merlin).
Behind too...
...waiting for someone to arrive with wine and curry.
I like how they did All you Need is Love to the tune of Madness; version of It Must Be Love. Also their 'teen fans' that came on at the end still looked old enough to be their mothers.
Sweet baby Jesus
and the orphans!
Wagbo goes tonto!
And Cheryl gives him a bitch slap
WAAAAAAGBO!!
Mary's giving Something the burly chassis treatment
..although the end of it was rather good when it went all John Barry.
You lucky lucky people
You are 20 minutes behind and you can still look forward to Wagner's performance (which I've just watched). Wow!
X Factor judging
It has been years since I watched X Factor, but I thought I'd watch tonight. Wagner is truly hilarious; what is even funnier is watching the judges whine and complain about his presence. But surely to have got this far, he must have been put through by the judges from the auditions? I'm sure it is all fake anyway, but isn't that a bit too contrived?
Wagner wasn't initially put
Wagner wasn't initially put through, but was brought back in when all the judges were given a 'wildcard' selection - presumably on the assumption everyone would have a good laugh at his performance and then he'd be voted off in the first week.
But he's still there ....
Oh its all panto
Oh yes it is!
Oh
no it isn't!
Where is Louis' career?
and so on
RE: Where is Louis' career?
Surely you mean where is Louis' carer?
Wagner
As I said a couple of weeks ago, Wagner would be perfect for one of those grim swinger resorts in the Caribbean. I genuinely don't understand what some people find entertaining about it.
He is like one of those awfyl men that 'accidentally' fondle you on the Tube.
Just think
how much better the show would be if it was Richard Wagner.
He would certainly have enjoyed all the "Well Paige, you're like a little black man" comments.
He's nothing
like me. Oh sorry, my hand slipped....again
Thread title missing a word
You appear to have misplaced an 'in' I'll leave you to decide where
I've never watched The X-Factor.
I don't think I will.
Why, if it is so terible, is everyone here watching it and passing comment on it?
I did think, though, that Gavin Henson's coming on well in Strictly. Still a tad leaden and not gifted with rhythm but with the natural grace of a sportsman. He might do well.
You just answered your own question
there Mr Law.
I really, really enjoy it.
Honest. There are some pretty talented people on there. Rebecca Ferguson in particular, a young mum from Liverpool, is both gorgeous and a wonderful singer.
unfortunately she didn't have a particularly great week this week, but she did "To show you my love" two weeks ago, which was so wonderful I had to watch her performance through three times. last week wasn't great either, but that's more because she was given "Candle in the Wind" to sing, rather than anything to do with her performance.
Thinking about it, I enjoy X Factor most as an edited highlights sort of thing. I start the programme recording, leave it about an hour, and then watch it. This enables me to skip all the ads, most of the prattle and farting about, and just watch the performances and judges comments. Job done in about 25 minutes and very enjoyable it is too.
Strictly, you say? I'm really enjoying that too.
Gavin Henson, you say? Oooooh. Never normally the sort of bloke I'd go for (never particularly been a muscly man sort of fan), but I find myself rather looking forward to seeing him every week... mmmm.
I Look A Bit Like Him, Apparently.
Minus the accent, of course.
*swoons*
It's funny innit.
this is the first year I've watched and it's utter rubbish. But it is funny.
Mind you, I could never watch Anne Widdecome dance myself. Takes all sorts.
No need to worry.
I've been watching Strictly since week one, and Widders hasn't danced yet.
I'm sure you all
have your own reasons for watching the show (the other half watches it, etc) fortunately Mrs Shoes has no such inclination and I have been able to go through life thus far without it polluting my soul.
My little aside is this: Does this show make up for the Royal Engagement totally overshadowing the announcement on Tuesday or whenever it was in Macca's/ Ono's, etc eyes? Any other day the Beatles finally going total Apple would have got a five minute slot on the news, instead it either got totally bumped or just a sentence at the end of the various news programs that day.
The X Factor can't do pop
It can only do cod rock (Matt Cardle's Come Together) or ballads (everything else*). Even Help! was slowed to a dirge. Think of all the incredible pop songs in the Beatles' repertoire - it's a huge opportunity wasted. I don't think it will have given the back catalogue much of a boost after all.
* Tell a lie, Wagner did that well known Lennon/McCartney composition Hippy Hippy Shake
Next week
is Wishbone Ash week.
I'm waiting for Grateful Dead week
when Wagner will do a 20 minute version of Dark Star.
Gnidrolog week for me...
In Spite of Harry's Toenail and all the rest.
What about a big big four week?
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax covers.
My family were watching it and I was in the room
I thought they were all indefensibly dreadful apart from Help and possibly Let It Be.
My two favourite tweets of the night (sorry, the authors escape me):
Note to Mark Chapman: that's how you murder The Beatles.
Paul McCartney called. He wants his songs back.
I, like many, feel slightly sick at the cynical decision to synchronise this with the iTunes thing.
Anyone who downloads
the Red and Blue albums for £17 a pop needs their head examining. Apparently they will start to go out of copyright in two years which might explain why this particular cash cow is being milked for all it's worth.
The copyright thing.
Well, copyrights on recordings currently expire 50 years after the year of their original release.
However there's moves afoot at the EU (who control copyright law) to extend this period to something longer, adding provisions to allow copyrights to revert to the performer(s) at the 50 year limit if the current label can't or won't release them.
Copyrights on the actual songwriting is still life plus 70 years, so even if Love Me Do expires at the end of 2012, Mr Wacky-Thumbs-Aloft and his descendants will still get publishing royalties for it until at least 2080.
Isn't there something in the (P) symbol...
If you dig out an 'old' version of a Beatles album, be it on CD, Tape or Vinyl, the wee Poppyright symbol has, y'know, 1963, or 1968...'The Copyright in this sound recording is owned by EMI records'.
Since the remastering job, the dates have all changed to 2009...Has the clock been reset just in time?
It's a complicated area, Ivan...
...but reissue clearances is one in which I have had some professional experience.
Let's take the "Please Please Me" LP as our hypothetical test case. The LP becomes Public Domain in the UK on 1 January 2014 (although "P.S. I Love You" becomes PD twelve months before that as it was released in 1962. The recording of "Love Me Do" on the LP, however, is not the same recording as on the first pressing of the single, and was first issued on the LP.)
Should you wish to release your own reissue of the "Please Please Me" LP after 1/1/2014, you can source the recording from any of the following:
a) the master tapes (if available, which they will almost certainly not be.)
b) a dub of a vinyl pressing - so long as it's not the later vinyl pressings made from the 1980s digital remasters as these were recopyrighted in the 1980s; or
c) a commercial reel-to-reel or cassette tape issued back in the day.
You may NOT source it from:
a) the 1980s CDs; or
b) the currently available CDs.
It's the remasters that are subject to extended copyright. Under current legislation, simply ripping the commercially available CD to undercut EMI will land you in court, whereas playing the record into your computer to do the same will not. Checks can be made to ascertain whether you have used the remaster or not, such as checking whether the titles cancel out when inverted against each other. (William Barrington-Coupe, in the Joyce Hatto scandal, tried to get around this by digitally altering the length or pitch of the pieces he was ripping off. He was caught out because iTunes still correctly identified the original recordings.)
I strongly suspect that this is why certain mixing errors - such as a drop-out in "Day Tripper" - have been corrected digitally on the Beatles' remasters. One or two minor errors have also been introduced - there is a momentary phase problem on the stereo reissue of "I'm Happy Just To Dance With You," for example.
Hope this helps explain it a bit. Like I say, it's complicated. Stupidly so.
Splendid sir, or madam
Hats off. If I had a hat.
Thank you, Doods.
And it's Sir. Or just plain Mister. Or summat!
I'm going to go out and BUY a hat
In order to take it off.
Fascinating in all regards, not least because I recorded all my old LPs and singles to my computer not long ago and vaguely wondered what the copyright situation might be. (It certainly made me understand why I was always skint in my teens given how many there are)
I also often wondered how the Hatto case came to court given the complexity of those sort of cases so the iTunes 'fingerprint' made me laugh out loud - almost a Darwin Awards case of stupidity (or, to be fair, bad luck)
Aww, shucks!
Thanks for your kind comments, folks.
If you'll pardon me banging on further, the Hatto case is an interesting one. I'm sure we've all had instances where we've popped a CD into the computer and had a message flash up with more than one album title, for us to select which album it is we're trying to play.
Gracenote (the online database used by iTunes) and its ilk work by collating track length data. The first thing it looks for is the full duration of a disc, then the number of tracks, then the duration of track 1. It continues through the tracks until it has found a positive match. There are, however, many records where - by coincidence - several of the tracks are the same duration to those on another record. Think of all those 60s pop albums where the longest track was 2'45".
What William Barrington-Coupe didn't know was that Gracenote has a margin of error built in. Although it's less common these days, back in the days of digital mastering to Sony 1630 U-Matic videotape, many territories were responsible for mastering their own version of a CD from whatever analogue tape copy was in their vaults. (Whether the Surinamese issue of "Dark Side of the Moon" has an extra second of hiss at the start is the kind of thing that keeps Pink Floyd fans awake on audiophile internet forums to this day.) It is for this reason that Gracenote, etc, had to build in a margin of error - your 1980s copy of "Dark Side" from the US might be three whole seconds longer overall than the UK version, and that's before we talk about where the mastering engineer put the track breaks. Without the margin, Gracenote would either come up with a blank, or have to take up much more server space than it already does.
While Barrington-Coupe was altering commercially available music to SOUND different, it didn't fool a computer. Admittedly it was possible for Hatto to have recorded a complete CD of music where the performances were exactly the same duration as a more famous recording of the same music, but implausible. Once somebody had worked out how he'd manipulated the sound in each case, it was simply a matter of logic to reverse the process.
A few years ago, I dubbed a mono LP to CD which was only commercially available on CD in stereo. I was amazed when Gracenote immediately identified it.
Finally, on the subject of deliberate errors, the myth of Lt. Columbo's first name being Philip came about because somebody put it into a trivia book years ago as a means of insuring himself against future plagiarism. I seem to recall that he later sued the manufacturers of Trivial Pursuit over this matter. (Columbo's first name, as any fule kno, is Lieutenant. Or, possibly, Frank.)
and THAT ladies and gentlemen
is why I come to this blog!
Many thanks for explaining this. I love (and hate) the idea that 'mistakes' are put into so-called bang up to date remasters PURELY to thwart would-be bootleggers trying to flog knocked off copies!
the same but different
I remember watching a programme about the A-Z map compilers who inserted invented cul-de-sacs into their maps so if anyone was reproducing their maps they could sue them.
Ordnance Survey still do this
Though its not as blatant as imaginary roads - they are pretty tigerish about copyright given how complex their data capture has to be. A few years back they took £20 million off the AA for copyright infringement...
Soundtrack for an era which the era deserves
Don't normally watch it, obviously, but I did see half an hour last night.
Probably already been mentioned but 'Imagine'? 'Hippy Hippy Shake'?
Haven't the Beatles got a broad enough back catalogue for these 60s dodgers (including the panel) to choose from?
We all live in Michael Jackson's world now and this is the proof.
The Imagine thing
really gets my goat. It's a Beatles special, so all the songs should have been recorded by the Beatles, not John Lennon on his own. It's either lazy, half-arsed production, trying to wedge in songs just to suit someone's voice, or it's a display of spectacular ignorance on the production team's part. Not sure which is worse, to be honest.
Apologies for being anal - but the rules are put there to be followed, and to make the competition fair. Allowing something like this to happen just makes it a bloody mockery.
'Apologies for being anal...'
C'mon. You must realise that you are amongst friends here?
I don't watch the X Factor, but look forward to my weekly Strictly fix.
I fancy Kara Tointon. For champ, I mean. Y'know to lift the trophy? A fine dancer.
Is that...
...anal retentive or anal expulsive?
:D
Retentive...
but if I've been down the pub the night before, could be either...
on the bright side
my daughter, aged 20, has finally discovered the Beatles. She had 1s playing in her car when going to back to university today.
Not before time too...she's at uni in Liverpool and lives just off Penny Lane. What ever the route so long as they arrive at the right destination it's fine by me
Its Smiths week next week
Wagner is doing Hand In Glove
for those who missed it, here is the car crash
I don't live in the UK
And I still can't escape Wagner.
Stephen Fry is a fan
(know this has been posted everywhere but I can't get enough)
Hippy Hippy Shake
A Beatles' song? Hardly. It was on Live At The BBC but that hardly counts. I bet The Swinging Blues Jeans are spitting.
Oh God...
Now they're murdering "Heroes".
(Albeit for a good cause... but it's still awful. Has TTWD given his blessing to this?)
Atrocious
but, it's all for a fine cause so I'm not going to carp.
X-Factor's Heroes
Well, I liked it. A songs with multiple singers go, like Perfect Day, it was absolutely fine.
..and Cher's rescue song Stay was tremendous tonight.
I would have preferred
Bring the Boys Back Home
Yesh, you can slag it, never mind the charity, its appalling
Oh God no
Just checked these out on youtube. Terrible massacre, these schlock soul singers trying to do this. I particularly like the cut straight after she says "No need for greed or hunger". Sleezy vocal performances aside, you got to admire the arrangements though. Pains me to say it, but they are much better than they used to be, you got to admit.
I loved
the way they described the stairs she was sitting on as a "stairway to heaven", totally ignoring the actual lyric of the song...
Now I know
how the Texans felt when Ozzy pissed on the Alamo