Entertainment For Lively Minds
The Worst Singers.
Posted by Retropath2 on 28 January 2008 - 2:04pm.
An easy one, this, as witnessed by the number of correspondents bad-mouthing bad mouths. So, who really are the direst singers of them all, preferably to include (otherwise?) successful combos. I don't feel that answers with, say Bob Dylan or Lemmy, count, as that is how he does it, rather than those who are just not up to the task and spoil something that may otherwise be of merit. (May!)
My shout for 10:
1st= Supertramp, both of 'em
3rd Al Stewart
4th Joan Baez
5th Pye Hastings
6th Lee Jackson
7th Jimmy Pursey
8th Chris Cornell
9th Ray Thomas and last (and most definitely least!!)
10th Chris Farlowe, who has ruined more than most, thinking, most poignantly, of Colosseum......
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Off the top of my head...
Jack Bruce
Greg Lake
Maria Carey
Tony Hadley
Wotsisname from Duran Duran
Your inclusion of Al Stewart in your list
has left me stunned and amazed.
What did he ever do to you to justify that?
Pye Hastings has his vocal charms too, come to that, especially when you can detect the smirk on his face when he sings a particularly risque lyric, something Caravan do rather well.
All the others I'll not challenge.
Year of the......
I think it's probably all in the modulation, and that leaves a certain tweeness in his enunciation. I like the instrumental break.
Pye Hastings likewise, tho' twee-er still. Big fan of Caravan otherwise. Smirks, his awful shirts and (hnurr hnurr) Cunning Stunts make it that much more of an effort.
Here goes...
I think Chris Farlowe is a fantastic vocalist but he is an acquired taste, tending towards the very dramatic. I feel the same about Peter Hammill, Ian Gillan, David Byron et al. I love them but can see what turns people off.
Lee Jackson was a pretty poor vocalist though, really- can definitely see why Emerson jumped ship to work with the (to me) infinitely better Greg Lake.
I would have nominated Dave Lawson who sang with Greenslade whose vocals I always found a bit limp, but then I heard him on another album by a band called Web and he was terrific.
Never liked those Celine Dion/Mariah Carey/Whitney Houston types that strangle the hell out of a song.
Ian Curtis
was a bit crap wasn't he?
And the other Ian.
( Brown that is ).
Fooo-oo-oo-oooool's Gold
As a lad I read somewhere (probably in Victor or The Hotspur, those organs of staunch factual verisimilitude) that the Brontosaurus had two brains, one in its head and the other not far short of its bottom, the better to control musculature in the nether regions.
On watching Mr Brown enunciate a Stone Roses song at alarming volumes and in challenging pitches, it struck me that there might be a Brontosaurus somewhere early in his family tree, and that he had suffered the unfortunate effects of an evolutionary reversion; the brain in his head was judging the key, while the brain up his arse was doing the singing.
I know
what you mean about Pye Hastings...it is a thin and rather uncertain little warble...but he has written some devilishly tuneful songs and his fragile tone suits them perfectly so perhaps those are mitigating factors? Don't get the dissing of Chris Farlowe though. Surely he's one of the finest white R&B singers this country ever produced!
Singers that SHOULD be bad but aren't
slightly off topic, but following the Pye Hastings debate, a short list of singers who probably even irritate their own mum, BUT still get me excited:
(1) Robin Williamson
(2) Richard Harris
(3) Len Cohen
(4)Laura Nyro
(5)Joanna Newsom
(6) Hope Sandoval
Laughing Len, of course,
was "born with the gift of a golden voice" and Hope Sandoval is, well, OK. I had forgotten how ghastly Joanna Newsom was, but then I lump all her kind, including the unsufferable Devendra, in a place I can't have to think about them. (I'm told they trouble themselves little about me, either)
Did anyone have the misfortune to listen to the cover disc from "Unshod" or "Slomo" with Devendras handpicked choice of music. I have heard some unlistenable claptrap in my time, but this saw off the whole of Huntley and Palmers and Nabisco combined.........
Laura Nyro
was fantastic. Robin Williamson lives down my street. He doesn't own a computer you know. ( Heard him say that at the Post Office the other day when he was just before me in the queue. Just thought you might like to know ).
Elton John
I know he has written some cracking songs but as a singer, that bloody (southern) American accent... He's from bleedin' Stanmore or somewhere......
Colosseum
Don't see many mentions of this great band here. Saw them loads of times when I was at university. Much preferred the version with Clem Clempson singing rather than Chris Farlowe, but I still went to later gigs.
So Farlowe So Good
Another vote from this corner for the mighty tonsils of Chris Farlowe. Far from ruining Colosseum, he made their sound as much as any of the others. Playing "Colosseum Live" and hearing him tear into "Rope Ladder To The Moon", caps what remains one of the most exciting live tracks ever recorded (and, amazingly, they thought the recording was crap, and nearly didn't release it!). My votes for crap singers are: Alison Moyet, for whom I still persist in reserving the term "stentorian hooting"; and Marc Bolan, who may indeed have been a sex-on-legs rock pixie in all other respect, but whose feeble bleating still makes me want to slap him. Oh, too late!
Stentorian hooting!
What a fabulous phrase!!!! (The fact that it, still, in my humble, applies perfectly to to Mr Farlowe, the Foghorn Leghorn of rock, is neither here nor there)
Morrissey
I forgot Mr. Tuneless himself!
You dissin' the 'Tramp? Outside!
Can't agree on Supertramp (their names are Roger Hodgson and Rick Davies) at all... love 'em.
For me, in no particular order...
Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Dave Gahan
Ian Curtis
the bloke out of Kaiser Chiefs... good grief, put a sock in it man!
the bloke out of Arctic Monkeys
Kate Nash
R. Kelly
Justin Timberlake
We'll have to agree...
...to disagree on Superdamp, but at last some beginnings of outrage at all these ghastly young men, talking in their regional accents, loosely around a tune, viz Arctic Monkeys. Fratellis even worse. and they seem to sing in someone else's regional accent, at that, being, I understand, good scots lads. (Quite a good version of Watchtower, tho')
(Nowt amiss wi'accents, it's just when it's for a lazy effect. Bit like the whole Lily Allen/Kate Nash affectations.
I guess this comes under the heading of "a very old man speaks", but I ask you.
Mentalists.....
Affectations is the word
That's what I can't get my head around with those singers... their style seems so forced and contrived. Kate Nash just makes me want to burst out laughing! Is she serious?!
Don't get me started on The Fratellis... I forgot about them. Hideous.
Here speaks Saxondale.
not the Word
Having seen the young Ms Nash live a couple of time I don't think her manner is an affectation, she does genuinely sing like that [and talk like that too] Whether you like it or not is a diffent manner. Have we just got too used stuff being belted out with an American accent? Is there anything wrong with singing pop tunes in regional english?
However I have to agree on scary Carey - with her warbling 27 notes when one will do. Now THATS what I call an affectation.
Ay wid wok
fave hawndrid males an ay wid wok fave hawndrid mooer....
I rest my case.
Still, Riccardo -- can we call you Ricco? -- does raise an interesting point. Pop is almost by definition American-accented. Not even the claim that the Fabs opted to act, er, natchralee when they sang is really true; I think they were just rubbish at doing passable American accents.
Apart from the bits and bobs of Chim-Chimmernee Cockney that people from Joe Brown via David Essex to Johnny Rotten have managed to shoehorn into pop over the years (probably under the influence of skiffly substances), I can't think of any non-novelty (i.e. The Worzels need not apply), non-folky (ditto, The Oldham Tinkers) acts who've attempted to sing pop in exactly the same way they speak.
Is this because we conceive of pop culture in general as being more American than British? I don't think so, no. I think it's just a question of [looks up the right word] euphony: the sounds of American English are just easier on the ear than most British regional accents, I reckon.
one more crack like that
and you'll be sleeping with the fishes "Arch" - Ricco indeed. Ooh the cheek of some folk.
However on a slightly less silly note, I think the comment I made about Kate Nash applies equally well to Joe Brown - that IS just how he talks, it's not mockney. Maybe you are right about American-English sounding better to the ear but personally it can start to feel a tad "samey" so when someone like Kate Nash pops up with "bittah" and "fittah" as much as I want to hate it, I find it nice change.
As someone who has a wondering accent - I spent the last 20 years living "oop norf" having spent the previous 20 years in Berkshire and somehow [and not by design] I sound like I've just arrived off the boat from Basildon, maybe I'm less inclined to think these folks are putting it on.
<Smart alec mode alert>
So what precisely does your accent 'wonder' about Riccardo!?!
Maybe it tells wanderous stories
IGMC.
bunch of shining wits you are
I'm told by folks who have shared transport with me on trips to London, that as we get closer to the metropolis I get more "estuary" in my speech...with no conscious effort on my part - honest guv.
Acts who've attempted to sing pop in exactly the same way...
...they speak.
Jarvis Cocker
Shaun Ryder
George Harrison ("Watch out now, take currrr, bewurrrr...")
Alex Turner
Him out of Maximo Park
Him out of The Futureheads
Sing how you speak
Ahem, you forgot the Proclaimers who refuse to throw the R away.
Well...
I prefer La Nash, Him out of Arctic Monkies and that using their local accents to Duchess Elton's strangulated faux-Louisiana swampland drawl. It may well be some latent Daily-Mail neurons surfacing, but why is it OK for British bands to ape an American accent, but not for them to ape a London, a Sheffield, a Bristol one? That's if ape-ing even takes place, of course.
Logically, isn't it more likely that the "American" accents adopted by British bands are fake rather than the British regional ones?
And - Why aren't we laying into Dr John, Kings of Leon et al, because they're singing in their local accents rather than that Mid-Atlantic morass of vowel and consonant soup?
As standards go, it's a two-fer.
Sir Sting
A Geordie goes to Trenchtown.
I didn't mean their accents are contrived...
I meant that the singing style is contrived... self-consciously quirky and off the wall.
Danny McNamara from Embrace
Lovely feller but he sings like a dying dog
Seconded!
Yes, he is to singing what Prince Philip is to tactfulness.
Paul Weller
He's alright on shouty stuff, but on ballads? He can't hit a note to save his life.
I blame
the gum.
Beth Orton...
..couldn't sing in tune to save her life.
Anthony Keidis jumps around and waves his hair to distract your attention from his charmless bark.
..but my first prize must go to lee Jackson from The Nice. (Thankfully, like his ((sort of)) successor, he rarely got a look-in.
Beth Orton!
Shame on that man! She may not, thank the Lord, be Katherine Jenkins, but she has an entirely suitable set of pipes for her style. Listen to the fabulous Concrete Sky off her 3rd and be not moved.
She may very well...
..have a suitable set of pipes. She just needs to tune 'em up.
What's wrong
with the Fratelli's? Good solid guitar pop. And fun dammit. FUN!
Fun?
Can't be doing with it, it's for young people anyway. Anyhow, daddy took my T-bird away.
You want non singers
then look no further than Natasha Beddingplant - cant sing and has no decernable personality or stage craft. Saw her opening for Sheryl Crow many moons ago and I'm still bitter about the 30 minutes of my life I'm not getting back.
Oh and Shane, you take back what you said about Beth Orton...I dunno, bloody philistines.
Her brother was no...
Sam Cooke either.
I Gotta Get Through This..
...was described by Ed Byrne as "the sound of a man riding a Honda 50 while simultaneously trying to pass a pineapple"
That's...
got to hurt.
Everything but the right note.
Tracey Thorn anyone?
Strewth, she knows roughly where the notes are, but can't, quite, almost, exactly, find them. It's painful.
Oh thank God....
...some have dared to voice their dislike of those Arctic Monkeys. I dislike those vocals with a passion, personally, not to mention the glut of copycats that followed in their wake. Never liked Liam Gallagher either; based his whole career on the way John Lennon sang on 'Rain', I felt.
Kate Nash brings out the worst in me as well...
Arctic Monkeys
It's probably an age thing, but I just don't get them. I do not see what the fuss is about. Just another bunch of skinny white boys making a fairly awful racket if you ask me.
Barbra Streisand
Like listening to an alley cat with asthma.
Ray Davies
Nice songs, shame about the voice...
O Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy O
Raymond Douglas may have only written a smattering of decent songs since, oh, 1968, but apart from some of the affectations on Dedicated Follower of Fashion is the bees knees for his material.Brother Dave mind...... "Let's all drink to the" silence "of a clown".
On the same basis then, Retro...
...isn't Jimmy Pursey's rasp the bees knees for his material too then?
They/he does a very passable
They/he does a very passable cover of You're A Better Man Than I, which I have on 45 somewhere.
If the material......
......were anything than unlistenable claptrap. (Mind you, the bulk of muy argument is based on Hersham Boys, or whatever it;s called, a song surprisingly not included within the lyrics strand, given the beauty of its statement.
So thats a yes, then , I think!
We agree then...
...in that Pursey's voice is ideal for the shouty nonsense that Ver Sham passed off as songs. I can see your point that RDD's voice suits the songs but I just think his vocals are pretty weak compared to the strength of his material...though they are better than his bro's, yes!
ol blue eyes
removing any trace of poetry from cole porter's lyrics by inserting his own crazy ad-libs. nasal whine if you ask me.
nelson riddle knew what he was doing though.
Fine Young Cannibals
What is his name agin, Roland? Hate him with a passion, well, his voice,might be an ok bloke.
Mariah Carey - enough said, any of thos warbling 'divas' make me want to cry.
I agree about Bob - its the way he did it that makes that whine excusable, personally I still hate his voice though. I do like Neil Young however....
Gift.....
.....is his name. Certainly an acquired taste, but anything is forgiven by the wonderful bendy leg contortions of Messrs Steele and Cox.
Whatever happened to Roland Gift?
(Talking of Rolands, tho' he wasn't their worst offender, Tears for Fears couldn't sing for toffee either.)
someone who doesnt sing in an american accent
is Damien Dempsey. I read a review once that told me how great this guy is - i bought a cd on the strength of said review and you know what? fucking awful, tuneless, rabble rousing crap.
And no i wont give him my address.
Agreed
I had the misfortune of seeing him live twice sorta - I walked out after 2 songs on both occassions. I was there only because Carina Round [who can sing]was support. Not only can he not sing but his "fans" are as noisy a bunch of eviltalkypeople as you could have the misfortune to attend a gig with.
That was the same tour I first caught site of a young James Blunt, who funnily enough is not quite so saccarine in the flesh as is on record.
Lee Jackson
He may have been poor in his heyday but I had the misfortune to see him playing the bass and singing, and I use the term as loosely as it can be used, only a few years ago when The Nice played QEH on the South Bank. It was, erm, unforgettable.
Silly question time, was he also, Python Lee Jackson? Or was The Python there to distinguish him from the Nice one?
No.
Python Lee Jackson were a bunch of aussies who paid a little known ex-gravedigger to sing on one of their songs, and Robert is your uncle, No 1s all round.
Incidentally, Kathryn Williams does a lovely version of "In a broken dream" on her covers album.
(Mind you, re Lee, yes wasn't he godawfully even worse with the revamped Nice, I don't know what Mrs Jackson calls him in the bedroom....)
Not quite as linear as that
As I recall, John Peel was involved with the production of PLJ, he may even have been in the producer's chair. As the singer was having a hard time getting things right Peel rang Rod who came in and did In A Broken Dream. Sessions were wrapped up and sank almost without trace. However when Maggie May became a massive hit on both sides of the Atlantic some bright spark remembered that down in the vaults they had a song with that Rod bloke singing on it.
Doing the i-pod randomiser thing today..
....and number 8 was "Just as the tide was a'flowing"/shirley Collins, which reminded me what a fabulous song it is. And how tepidly awful her voice is. Which reminded me how equivalently dire is the voice of Cathy LeSurf, Albion Band (and Day trip to Bangor "fame"....)
Blimey, to think if I had heard them ahead of Sandy Denny and Linda Thompson, a whole part of my life would remain unexplored.
Dee C Lee
Consistently sang flat for The Style Council. Did they not realise or was Weller just afraid to upset the missus?
That bloke from The Lighthouse Family. Limited vocal range and annoying voice.
Boy George. Said this before but limited vocal range, singing songs especially written so as not to show up his limitations.
Bruce Springsteen. God awful songs sung by something that should have been put down at birth.
Elvis Presley
Sorry, just remembered 'The King'. Don't mind the rock 'n' roll stuff, but his ballads sound like someone trying to sing through a mouthful of sick. 'It's now or never'. I'll take never please Mr Presley thank you.
It's not all about the notes
On the ballad front, I think In The Ghetto is a corker. That's not so much because it is well sung as because the emotions are right.
I think the same is often true of Francis Albert. He doesn't always hit the notes, and his phrasing was curious, but when the emotions are all in line, he really swings.
That's it in the end: It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing.
Godlike genius of Ian Curtis
Listen to side 2 of Closer and hear the voice of God. At the end of the day there may be many singers that are technically better but they rarely have anything to say.
When Curtis sings "I looked beyond the day in hand, there's nothing there at all" it is as chilling as anything I've ever heard. But knowing someone else had also felt like that and I wasn't alone was a great comfort at the time.
Beth Orton is another great singer - check out Paris Train from Daybreaker.
Now my nomination for a truely lousy singer is the guy with the nose that sand Copacabana (or I've got a nose like a banana...) - left such a lasting impression I can't remember his name, Barry something?
Robert Wyatt
Robert Wyatt - sings like a dying sheep. Unlistenable.
Mark E Smith of The Fall is pretty rubbish too, but you knew that and I suspect he does too.
Sandy Dillon
Not to be confused with Cara Dillon or Sandy Denny. She does sound like a gruff female Tom Waits (but I love Tom Waits).
When I saw Richard Thompson at De Montfort Hall a few years back the audience were out for the kill. I have seen so many people walk out of a support act (or since) just to head back into the bar. Or that the audience were going to pelt her with some rotten tomatoes or cabbages!
She looked as though nothing had happened.
Rehabilitiating the JB's
Up at the top of this thread both Joan Baez and Jack Bruce are dismissed. Jack may not be the greatest singer in recorded history, but he's not bad. Sunshine and White Room are both pretty good performances which I put forward for the defence.
But Joan Baez? What are you looking for in voice? I think you stuck that in through sheer perversity. It's an argument that is too silly to contemplate.
Baez?
Too pure. I prefer some flaws. Hence Joan is bad and Beth is good.
Thanks for the more details on PLJ.
Win Butler
Arcade Fire are great, but could be greater with a singer who doesn't mumble. I'm sure they have room for another member.
Elvis Costello
Sorry, but he does me 'ed in, especially on the slow numbers. I saw him at Glastonbury back in the eighties and I fell asleep, and I'd already had a nap during the Van Morrison afternoon set.