Word magazine - niche?

According to Barbara Ellen in yesterday's Observer, Word is a "niche" magazine. Which niche exactly? (I believe BE is an ex-NME hack?)....

Maybe...

... she meant to say 'nice'.

Niks | 7 April 2008 - 12:51pm

Quite the opposite in fact...

the reason The Word is the only magazine I buy each month is due to its diversity. All types of music are covered, from the 'Tangle to Burial, there is superb, informed cultural commentary from David Hepworth and others and it generally appeals to people who wouldn't consider Oasis to be the best band ever. If 'niche' means 'appealing to someone with a brain' then yes, I suppose it is.

Patrick Crowther | 7 April 2008 - 1:06pm

I'll get me coat then

I don't mind being treated as an untermensch for liking (no, loving) Oasis, but can we just give it a rest and say that a lot of people who read The Word don't like them but some do and that's OK?

GD Nicholson Esq. | 7 April 2008 - 4:04pm

It's fine by me if people like Oasis...

they've had their moments... but the best band of the last 20 years as some people make out? Give me a break.

Patrick Crowther | 7 April 2008 - 4:40pm

Can I just say...

...many of the music critics on The Guardian and The Observer tend to really get my goat. Too much sneering and posturing for my liking; many of their writers are too in love with themselves to pass reasonable judgement on any given album, in my opinion. And yes, most of them seem to be ex-NME or ex-Melody Maker.

JJ | 7 April 2008 - 1:13pm

that'll include Jude Rogers,

that'll include Jude Rogers, Rob Fitzpatrick and Laura Barton I presume? ;)
Also i thought she mean't you can keep them on a "shelf" in the wall or in my case a pile in bathroom!

Chris G | 7 April 2008 - 1:46pm

Out of mild interest

a recent court case revealed that the Guardian Media Group has a minority stake in Development Hell...

PaulHThompson | 7 April 2008 - 2:13pm

wheels within wheels

.. and wild eyed loners get slagged off for spotting conspiracies and connections in the media. Full disclosure is what we need.

Chris G | 7 April 2008 - 2:26pm

Patrick already nailed this question:

"People who can write interviewing people who can talk for people who can read."

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/shirty#comment-27620

Obviously this equates to "niche" in Barbara Ellen's lowest common denominator world.

Vulpes Vulpes | 7 April 2008 - 1:33pm

I buy three or four music mags each month.

Word, Mojo, Uncut and, once in a blue moon, Q. Apart from Q (which i fell out of love with a LONG time ago) I enjoy all of them. They all have their good AND bad points. I realize this is the Word website but the amount of abuse any rival music publication/journalist is subject too on this blog is starting to put me off Word! Not because of the mag itself - although the Moz piece by David Quantick really ticked me off - but because of my fellow readers! Come on, I'm sure David, Mark (ex-NME i think) and the rest of the Word crew can take a bit of minor criticism without the blog regulars on here having to jump to their defence. For the record, i read Barbara Ellen's piece and didn't for one second think she was having a go at Word, just pointing out that it appealed to a selective readership.

grac | 7 April 2008 - 2:45pm

Do you know grac,

I was just thinking the same thing myself. I concur with absolutely everything you've just said.

Springer | 7 April 2008 - 3:10pm

Me too

I felt slightly pleased by selectivity.

CarlP | 8 April 2008 - 12:58pm

Yes...

...having now read that article in question there wasn't anything bad about the mag. I'm still not a fan of some of their articles (particularly the blogs) though.

JJ | 7 April 2008 - 2:54pm

Like it or not...

The Word caters to a demographic, just like any other magazine.

This takes me back to the time I picketed Endeavour House with a handmade sign that read: Damn you, I am individual, only for a passing employee from Development Hell to remark: "Actually our market research indicates that you will shortly undergo a midlife crisis, which you will attempt to resolve by purchasing a McFly album."

backwards7 | 7 April 2008 - 3:02pm

I didn't say there was anything bad about it

I just wondered what niche we are in?

Twangothan | 7 April 2008 - 3:04pm

Media pack

Kindly refer to the foot of this page for an idea of what niche we are meant to be in. I suppose being niche means not catered for by the mainstream, which is kind of true, and quite a good thing going by what the mainstream represents.

Sven | 7 April 2008 - 3:12pm

Hmmmm ...

The "Play some old" / 'OAP Sound System' niche that everyone three threads over seems so keen to embrace presumably? Now where did I leave that McFly CD ... ?

StevenC | 7 April 2008 - 5:01pm

She's absolutely right

The Word is a relatively small-circulation magazine which caters for a fairly small "community of interest", i.e. intelligent writing about contemporary popular culture for a reasonably intelligent readership whose tastes and interests are more rareified than the mainstream mass market. It is therefore a "niche" magazine. I don't think we'd want it any other way; and I don't think Barbara Ellen used the term "niche" to either belittle or criticise the magazine.
About the only thing I agree with Barbara Ellen about though.

Richard Lowe | 7 April 2008 - 3:19pm

Does that mean that BBC2 is

a "niche" channel?

Vulpes Vulpes | 8 April 2008 - 1:04pm

I suppose so yes

If you take "niche" to mean appealing to a minority rather than the mass market mainstream, which is the sense in which it was applied to The Word. You could also say The Observer is a bit of a "niche" paper.

Richard Lowe | 8 April 2008 - 4:32pm

Barbara Ellen......

.....writes very well and has done for many years, I think, and is one of the reasons I buy the Observer (along with Nigel Slater and Jay Rayner, but thats another tale). I think niche is quite a decent epithet. It implies no criticism. I read it with some pride, sad git that I am, as it made me feel that a niche was a cosy haven of like minded, give or take some variations in taste, individuals. God forbid we embrace the mainstream. The Q is long enough for that already (geddit!)
P.S. to Grac: a little bit of funpokery at the buffoons of Unshod and Slomo cuts no mustard compared to the lashings given Heppo, Ello and the Frazester from the Irregulars. I buy the same trio of mags as you and enjoy 'em too, but, hey, some humour does no harm. And I still think the editor of Unshod should get a haircut and stop beaming in tales of excess from yonder years as it is no longer big and no longer clever.
(Q is unreadable claptrap of course, unreservedly.)

Retropath2 | 7 April 2008 - 3:50pm

You are right Retropath2

But, there is media comment about our favourite mag some of which is warrented and some not. Bottomline is a bad call was made, the guys put their hands up and admitted it.

Job done.

No reason to go on offensive against anyone. And like you said a little humour does no harm but it seemed to me that the "lets trash Moz stuff" was getting a little silly.

I like it when my "niches" have a little perspective.

Springer | 7 April 2008 - 4:18pm

Agreed that Uncut's editor is no advert for ...

a life of drink 'n' drugs but some of his story's do make me laugh and a recent Joe Cocker anecdote was particularly touching.

grac | 7 April 2008 - 4:18pm

Touching?

In an indie way, I hope.

Retropath2 | 7 April 2008 - 5:33pm

Yeah...

...those anecdotes from the editor of, ahem, 'Unshod' do nothing for me either. I'm not an Uncut fan by any stretch, but I still wouldn't have put it down there with NME or Q. Don't buy Mojo now but I've never had a problem with it; it tends to have more maturity, without childish potshots, and has not been fashion/trend conscious like Q and NME are.

JJ | 7 April 2008 - 6:04pm

Mojo

is "Classic Rock" without the Metal and with the Folk 'n' Country.

Vulpes Vulpes | 8 April 2008 - 1:07pm

Classic Rock

is Jeremy Clarkson.

Vulpes Vulpes | 8 April 2008 - 1:08pm

Nothing wrong with a bit of...

Clarkson!

Patrick Crowther | 10 April 2008 - 9:12pm

While Mojo

is Bill Oddie.

Vulpes Vulpes | 8 April 2008 - 1:08pm

Blimey, Vulp

You make it (Slomo) sound quite good! I cancelled their subscription much as I took Word's out, as much as in pique as they had failed to add a cover disc and because I wanted the Shelby does Dusty.
I feel too young for Classic anything......

Retropath2 | 8 April 2008 - 1:11pm

Listened to a

"Classic" podcast and you are right even that feels old.

Springer | 10 April 2008 - 9:24pm

Just a thought.....

why have we not twigged? Barbara Ellen. Mark Ellen. Related? Um, previously related?

Retropath2 | 11 April 2008 - 7:47am