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Words we never use any more

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In the pub last night, I was talking about a TV programme when a 40-something mate asked "What station was it on?"

He then checked himself, saying "Station? Station? I'm showing my age there. No-one says 'TV station' any more, do they?"

I'd never thought about it before, but I think he's right. It's all "channels" nowadays, isn't it? "What side was it on?" would have sounded similarly antiquated. I can't remember the last time I said that.

So what other words for commonly items have fallen out of use? No-one ever talks about "groups" any more, do they(except my mum)- it's always "bands". Similarly, the pleasing "oblong" has been almost totally usurped by the rather more clinical "rectangle".

Kagoule? Continental quilt? Over to you...

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I miss

Plank Spanker

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Beany | 7 February 2009 - 2:25pm

Plank Spanker

Why, I used that only this week, asking a Cribs-obsessed mate if "that nice Mr Marr was plank-spanking with the band on a permanent basis?" !

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Chris | 12 February 2009 - 5:50pm

I still say that i've 'taped'

soemthing off the telly last night when actual magnetic tape has had very little to do with it for me for many years now. Its just that 'Sky Plussed it', 'HD-ed it' or 'DVD Recorded it' don't slip off the tongue as well.

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DogFacedBoy | 7 February 2009 - 3:03pm

Yeah, I say that too

I've got a Freeview hard disk recorder but no-one seems to know what you mean when you talk about them. "PVR" as a term hasn't really sunk into the public consciousness yet, and if you say "hard disk recorder" people think you're talking about your computer. I called it a "digibox" last night and got a blank look from a mate. So now any mention of this device gets suffixed "poor man's Sky+".

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Hosskins | 7 February 2009 - 3:29pm

Yep...

Same here. Everything is taped on the Sky+ box. Even the kids say it now!

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Six Dog | 8 February 2009 - 10:20am

Speak for yourself

I'm still in the land of the videotape so when I say I taped it.....I mean I really taped it!

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Diz | 10 February 2009 - 10:07am

Yep. Me too

I'm young enough that I shouldn't be saying it (born mid 80's), but I can't help it... I never say DVD, it's always video.

Can I link a rant on this about things we've lost/changed over the years aside from words we never say? Tough! Going to anyway.

Apart from Snickers bars being Marathons, Cif is Jif! Olay is Ulay! The new Mr Muscle is so wrong it's distrubing & the Munch Bunch is a cow now!?? What the feck is going on? Why do companies feel the need to change their products/labelling all the time? Oh, nearly forgot... Starbust is Opal Fruits!!!

Aah... Feel better now.

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vylisaxj220 | 14 February 2009 - 4:10pm

My understanding...

...is all of those, with one exception, were renamed to fit in with the product name used in the rest of the world.

How long before Vauxhall becomes Opel?

I gather that Ulay was considered too difficult to pronounce for some territories so it was renamed Olay worldwide.

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stimpy | 14 February 2009 - 4:20pm

Played any LPs lately?

Or records in general, 'tho I guess MP3s and CDs are record-ings, aren't they?

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Retropath2 | 7 February 2009 - 3:15pm

I suppose that...

...LP, tape, 8-track, cassette, CD and MP3 are all ways to deliver the music that comprises an album. Do we listen to the album or the delivery method?

BUT, I still find myself talking about "this great new record" or "so-and-so's latest LP"

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stimpy | 14 February 2009 - 4:23pm

'Corporation'

- now replaced by 'council', as in 'oh, those new Corporation houses are lovely'. My mum still uses it.

Also, 'wireless' for radio.

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Black Type | 7 February 2009 - 4:12pm

Trannie/ Tranny

Always liked this one for the radio, not used a lot though...

*edit* apologies theradish, must learn to read the whole thread and not charge in all guns-a-blazin'

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Gav Leonard | 9 February 2009 - 4:30pm

Shop Assitant

now Retail Associate. The rage wells deep inside on this one.

"Excuse young man but could you associate me in finding a pair of 34" strides?" See also Flat/Appartment.

Skill as an adjective, as in "those running slippers are skill!". See also Running Slippers.

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TedLoaf | 7 February 2009 - 5:10pm

On a similar theme

Referee's Assistant - NO!! He's the bloomin' linesman!

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Black Type | 7 February 2009 - 5:27pm

Used to be called body-warmers in my day...

... now it's gilet.

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Reno Dakota | 7 February 2009 - 6:45pm

you mean

life preservers?

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TedLoaf | 7 February 2009 - 9:34pm

erm

we had a very unacceptable non-pc name for them when I was a kid and knew no better.

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Leedsboy | 10 February 2009 - 2:53pm

Cashpoints

Have become ATMs, for some reason.

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Austin | 7 February 2009 - 7:22pm

Cash Points

We've always called cash points, minibanks, still do round here.

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anythingcanhappen | 7 February 2009 - 9:29pm

Hole in the Wall

Am I alone in being annoyed that Barclays have copyrighted/trademarked/patented/snatched from the public realm the phrase Hole In The Wall for cash machine? It wasn't their invention, it had been around for ages, with a citation in Paul Calf's Video Diary, if I recall correctly. They can't appropriate something that already exists, can they? It's robbery, isn't it?

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smithylad | 8 February 2009 - 10:01am

Grating

Or even the supremely grating "ATM Machines", which is up there with "PIN Number" in the phrases to set my teeth on edge stakes.

Don't you know how acronyms work, you doofus?!

(EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not calling you a doofus Austin!)

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Red Umpire | 9 February 2009 - 10:21am

My Dad calls cash machines "money spitters."

I hereby pass this lovely phrase to the massive in the hope that it will take off.

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ganglesprocket | 9 February 2009 - 5:33pm

Pedantry ahoy

ATM isn't an acronym, it's an initialism.

http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/abbr.html

"The key difference between an acronym and an initialism is that an acronym forms a new word, while an initalism does not"

Sorry, pet peeve!

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Montecore | 11 February 2009 - 8:02am

*Blushes*

Oh god, you're right aren't you...

I shall use the correct phrase in the future I promise.

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Red Umpire | 11 February 2009 - 8:56am

Brilliant

I am now waiting for the day someone makes that mistake in a meeting.

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Leedsboy | 11 February 2009 - 1:55pm

Anachronyms

I was in the audience at a presentation last week during which the speaker kept refering to "anachronyms". As the session was more than a little dull, I started playing around with the notion that an anachronym was an outdated acronym that is still used occasionally.

The best I could come up with was 'WYSIWYG', as in the additional programme that you used to be able to buy for Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheets to improve their presentation; but there must be better...

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Red Umpire | 11 February 2009 - 2:14pm

WYSIWYG

Chumbawamba LP innit?

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Retropath2 | 11 February 2009 - 2:16pm

so TLA

(three letter acronym) isn't an acronym, it's an initialisation?

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badartdog | 21 February 2009 - 10:04pm

That's all right, David

Not sure if there's a word for this kind of thing. "HIV virus" is another one.

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Austin | 11 February 2009 - 8:31am

In Ireland

we still call them by their 80's AIB branding, Banklink machine. Gold.

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felton | 16 June 2010 - 9:29am

Flan

And when did 'flan' turn into 'quiche'?

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adze thuggery | 7 February 2009 - 8:00pm

I think you'll find......

bacon and egg pie turned into quiche.

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Retropath2 | 7 February 2009 - 10:33pm

I don't care

A long, long time ago I had the misfortune to be a passenger in a car and the driver had wonderful Radio 1 on. I had to listen to DoLT (© J. Peel) ranting about that very topic. Which turned me against ever calling it bacon and egg pie. Should I ever hear that term used I will correct the erring party with a "Don't you mean Quiche Lorraine?".

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Carl Parker | 11 February 2009 - 2:08pm

a Flan

still features tinned fruit where my nan lives.

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TedLoaf | 8 February 2009 - 12:40am

Quiche Richards... "5 eggs, 2 tomatoes and one arsehole."

Coming to an enormodome near you sometime soon...

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Patrick Crowther | 8 February 2009 - 10:45am

Why?

Are you sure that posting that picture was strictly necessary, young man?

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Ola Claesson | 13 February 2009 - 2:44pm

Rude

Nothing seems to be rude these days ;-) And transistor aka radio!

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theradish | 7 February 2009 - 9:27pm

Yes, how true

Bring back rude!

"Super" is another word that seems to have fallen out of favour. The only person I hear using it now is David Pleat - "he really is a super player", "that was a super pass" etc.

Similarly, and I don't mourn its loss as it always seemed rather too twee, "bonk" seems to have been superceded by "shag".

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Hosskins | 7 February 2009 - 11:29pm

Super

That's because everyone uses bloody absolutely instead.

- Want a meat pie on your barm cake? Absolutely!

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Beany | 8 February 2009 - 10:26am

Put A Bonk On It?


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stimpy | 10 February 2009 - 9:33pm
Patrick Crowther | 11 February 2009 - 6:16pm

Eiderdown and bedspread

Does anyone use sheets, blankets and bedspreads/eiderdowns any more?

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Bigsby | 7 February 2009 - 10:53pm

and counterpanes

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Leedsboy | 10 February 2009 - 4:36pm

Fu*k and C*nt

no longer hold shock value, C*ck still sounds like it smells and I should stay away

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James Blast | 8 February 2009 - 1:27am

A few.....

Hi-Fi
Aftershave
Afters (What's for afters Mum?!)

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Blue Sky | 8 February 2009 - 1:41am

or Sent.

see also Slap as in make up.

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TedLoaf | 8 February 2009 - 11:03am

Aftershave?

What's it called now then?

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Gav Leonard | 9 February 2009 - 4:31pm

It used to be called

Poofjuice at school. Is that still allowed?

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Retropath2 | 9 February 2009 - 4:34pm

Can't think of any reason...

no wait, got one.

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Gav Leonard | 9 February 2009 - 4:51pm

Hi Gav......isn't it referred to as scent or

fragrance these days?

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Blue Sky | 9 February 2009 - 11:37pm

Cologne?

Not sure anyone uses this one outside of Life on Mars.

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Gav Leonard | 10 February 2009 - 8:32am

I'm splashing on Brut (Brute?) as I write this...

and I hear the distant rumbling of a Tommy Vance voiceover in heaven...

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Patrick Crowther | 10 February 2009 - 11:51am

I'm splashing on Brut (Brute?) as I write this...

and I hear the distant rumbling of a Tommy Vance voiceover in heaven...

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Patrick Crowther | 10 February 2009 - 11:51am

You sure you don't mean..

"DENIM... For the man who doesn't have to try (pause) TOO hard"


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stimpy | 10 February 2009 - 9:37pm

Songs

The idiot tabloid gossip people have started calling them tracks, as did the prog fans I went to school with. I suppose it's arguable, on grounds of taste, which group has the better claim.

(BTW anyone else oddly nostalgic for the postings of JJ? Haven't seen him around these parts lately)

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Stan Halen | 8 February 2009 - 3:02am
LOUDspeaker | 10 February 2009 - 3:32pm

Some more...

Ottoman
Pacamac
Liberty bodice
Chapped (as in legs)
Barber (all hair stylists now)

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Paul Waring | 8 February 2009 - 9:31am

I get pulled up

for still using 'wireless' and 'records' (when referring to 'songs' on the 'wireless').

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Rich Goodall | 8 February 2009 - 9:34am

Wireless made a comeback

With the advent of wireless networks

'Telly' seems to have been muscled out by 'TV' and while watching [that piece of equipment] it's now the break that you wait for, not the adverts.

Yesterday my wife proudly announced that she'd bought her mum her first latte, despite the fact that she's been drinking milky coffee since since before we were born.

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:17pm

no pun

but that sounds like grounds for separation to me - tips hat to Daryll & John

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James Blast | 10 February 2009 - 11:22pm

James, I bite my tongue on these occasions

and there's not much left of it.

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:47pm

Buns -> Muffins

And I'm intrigued by the word Start-up. It seemed to appear out of nowhere. I can't even remember what word we used in its place before it came along.

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smithylad | 8 February 2009 - 10:04am

What did we say before "Start-up"?

Well, "start" worked fine. "-up" adds nothing to the meaning, other than raising a flag that the person saying it is trying to sound cool.

Another one is "utilise": Why utilise "utilise" when you could use "use"?

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:22pm

Youth Opportunity Programme

Manpower Services Commission
Skillseeker...

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James Blast | 10 February 2009 - 11:30pm

I don't think there was a word for 'Start-Up'

we just said "I have a struggling new business"

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 8:42am

Buns and Muffins?

The two are completely different things and have been all my life.

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Carl Parker | 11 February 2009 - 2:10pm

Supper...

Does anyone still have supper?

My aunt in deepest West Wales and that's about it...

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Six Dog | 8 February 2009 - 10:22am

Definitely

It's the meal served around 8 in the evening that isn't dinner.

Dinner is eaten in the dining room, usually with guests
Supper is eaten in the kitchen

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 8:44am

Guilty as charged

Supper was the word my mother used for the evening meal, and so I grew up with it, and I still call it supper. Isn't that how it works? I can't believe people consciously choose to change their vocabulary simply because other people use a different word for the same thing. The exception, I suppose, is where a word becomes verbum non gratus, like "darkie".

Am I the only one who still calls the lounge the "sitting room"?

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Theo Zoffrok | 9 February 2009 - 3:37pm

A wee sociolinguistic game for all you Wordies

You shouldn't have started me on Sociolinguistics - where people really got into why the words you use for things change. You're right Azeem, that they don't do it consciously. A big driver is the desire to conform (or avoid appearing to resist conforming) to the person they're speaking with.

You hear it happening all the time if you keep your ears open, and a simple game is to spend a day or two saying, in turn, "bye" or "cheerio" or "see you" when you leave someone, and note whether they respond with the same phrase as you or use a different one. Only rarely will they not echo you. It's just a spontaneous human response.

You also notice it in workplaces, families and flats, where a small group of people develop their own favoured words for things, and even invent new ones that they will use consistently among themselves. E.g. what do they call the remote control for the TV in your house?

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:45pm

The remote control?

Broken

thengyew

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Glenbervie | 12 February 2009 - 8:13pm

A big driver is the desire to conform?

No, a big driver is someone who drives for a living, and is big.

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Jonnie | 24 February 2009 - 11:16pm

Could be both of course

If it weren't for ambiguity in language, we'd need about 6 times as many words.

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Lucky Tiler | 25 February 2009 - 1:50pm

Probably a class thing?

I tend to call dinner tea, which is a working class thing; I have to make a real concious effort to call this particular meal dinner. I never really understood what supper was, it was merely something that was said on the BBC by middle class people. We also used to call lunch dinner, I am just so conflicted.

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woodface | 22 February 2009 - 7:05pm

No.

It is the sitting room. Lounge is very common.
I used to have supper as a boy in the south east, but I now have my tea these last 30 odd years I have been in the midlands.
Muffins? As in nice pair o' muffins, as the ladies are said to comment about gentlemans bottoms?

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Retropath2 | 9 February 2009 - 4:00pm

Sitting Room?

Surely the Parlour?

My old Nan had a parlour. Front room in the terraced house. Never, ever used. Anything she had of value - kept 'for best' was in there.

Actually it was used occasionally. For laying out the dead people prior to funerals.

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Paul Waring | 9 February 2009 - 4:03pm

Not sure about the dead

But my grandparents house terrace sounds pretty much the same - only three rooms downstairs. The kitchen and lounge were for living and accessing the coal cellar and the Front Room was like a spotless museum display with ornaments in cabinets, a white carpet, the piano and chairs adorned with antimacassars. It was always freezing cold because it was hardly ever used as they didn't think it worth lighting the fire except at Christmas.

So from that I guess I can chip in such lost gems as:

Coal Cellar ... and indeed Coal scuttle
Ornaments
Antimacassar

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Phil Pirrip | 10 February 2009 - 8:56am

More fire-related words

Hearth - does anyone have a hearth these days?

Poker - as in an implement to prod the fire back to life, rather than a card game.

Fire tongs - used to move glowing coals around to "improve" the fire.

Fire dog - the metal gizmo that held the coal/logs off the hearth to improve air flow (also known as a grate).

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Red Umpire | 10 February 2009 - 10:18am

Still use a poker...

...to poke my woodburner; which sits on a hearth.

No fire tongs though.

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 9:37am

Supper and Pudding also made comebacks

Weren't they reinvented in the 90s:

Supper became an evening meal at a pretentious person's house, consisting not of cheese on toast but pasta (pronounced with a long 'aaa').

And said supper might be followed by pudding, consisting not of slices of white bread with raisins, butter and loads of sugar but a tiny dollop of sorbet (pronounced "sore-bay") with a sprig of mint on.

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:28pm

sorbet (pronounced "sore-bay")

How else would you pronounce it Lucky...?

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Red Umpire | 10 February 2009 - 11:31pm

just like

fillet and eh... gusset, but I'm common, and Jock me

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James Blast | 10 February 2009 - 11:36pm

Same here, James

David has clearly never been at a party where the spread of food (or 'purvey') was referred to as the "buff-it".

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:51pm

Nope,

but I have eaten "nuggat" on many occasions.

I have never eaten a "fillay-o" anything...

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Red Umpire | 10 February 2009 - 11:55pm

In what way...

is 'supper' only served in the houses of the pretentious?

It's always been a perfectly valid word for a casual meal, served at dinner time, around the kitchen table.

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 9:40am

Fish supper, pie supper, black pudding supper etc etc

All the pretentious folk north of the border buy these (and many more varieties) from vans parked in the towncentre on friday nights. I feel many might take issue with an adjective usually reserved for the english.......

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Retropath2 | 11 February 2009 - 9:47am

Yes, that's all perfectly valid

But I've experienced a pretentious reclaimed version of the term, where you turn up naively expecting "a bit of supper" to be a plate of sardines and there's all scented candles and soft music going on. And the food might include a coulis of some sort.

It was on one such occasion that the hostess said "Let's see if I've got any cheese" and opened the fridge to reveal an obviously recently-bought, unopened array of continental cheeses. That pretty much defines pretentious for me.

I'd much prefer supper at yours.

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Lucky Tiler | 11 February 2009 - 10:03am

Continental cheese = pretentious?

I'm still not convinced by this 'reclaimed' idea. Supper was ALWAYS a casual ad hoc meal.

It dates back to the days of country houses and formal dining where, if you missed dinner, you could arrange "a bit of supper" as an informal meal.

If I invite friends round for dinner, it means sitting at the dining table with several courses, decent wine, etc.

If I invite friends round for supper, it means sitting in the kitchen whilst I knock up a bowl of pasta or chilli and crack open a bottle of plonk.

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 10:22am

Continental cheese = pretentious?

If it's kept in the bloody fridge, it is!

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Retropath2 | 11 February 2009 - 10:37am

In many cases, it's just wrongity wrong

I keep my Rocquefort in the airing cupboard :-)

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 11:47am

Just to clarify

I wasn't suggesting that the eating of continental cheeses was pretentious. The pretence was that this cornucopia of unopened cheeses just happened to be there, rather than having been bought especially for the occasion.

Maybe you'd have had to be there.

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Lucky Tiler | 16 February 2009 - 1:26pm

Spot the Elephant

in the room. It is, as anthropologists such as Kate Fox will tell you (in her superb book Watching the English), a matter of class. Those who regard themselves as upper middle class and above say lunch, supper and pudding, those who think of themselves as the middle-middle and working class say dinner, tea and sweet (amongst other names for the thing after the main thing).

A pet hate of mine is journalists (especially Northern ones, being a northerner myself) who have migrated from working or lower middle class home to upper middle class saying that it's a 'Southern' thing when it's actually a class ishoo.

Kate Fox identifies the seven big divides as:
Pardon?/Sorry?
Toilet/Loo
Serviette/Napkin
Dinner/Lunch (bit more leeway here, but supper is UMC+)
Settee/Sofa
and Lounge/Sitting Room

I strongly recommend anyone to read the book, but be aware that you'll begin to see the elephant everywhere. Don't get me started on class expectations at weddings...

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Fridge | 17 February 2009 - 10:12am

Sounds like a good read

Though I'd have to assess the risk of it adding to several existing chips (or fries?) on my shoulder.

But isn't there also a complicating thing going on, where people in a higher class, and totally assured of that status will affect a dip into the vernacular of a lower class, in order to appear witty or 'of the people'? I'd always attributed the upper class use of 'pudding' to that phenomenon: When I was wee that was the common term for it, and dessert sounded posh. Now it seems to have been hauled back.

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Lucky Tiler | 17 February 2009 - 1:43pm

Oh go on, have a few more chips

Yer lady Kate says that her research shows that people are most concerned about the class either side of themselves and will do and say many things to distinguish themselves from those nearest in class, so, yes, I expect that smart (or posh) people will happily mimic working class styles of speech secure that no one will mistake them for being from 'the lower orders'...

Again, when it comes to 'pudding' it's worth asking whether you consider yourself to now be in the same class you were brought up in - that might be the reason for the change you mention. As Kate Fox says, "The upper middle and middle classes insist that the sweet course at the end of the meal is called the 'pudding' - never the 'sweet', 'afters' or 'pudding' all of which are unacceptable words."

Get a copy of the book, though - it's a cracking read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Watching-English-Hidden-Rules-Behaviour/dp/03408...

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Fridge | 17 February 2009 - 2:43pm

Sold!

It's on its way to me as we speak. Many thanks for the tip.

My favourite example in this genre is the phone-in radio programme, where the caller is trying desperately to sound proper and the DJ is desperately trying to sound 'of the people', and you hear them passing each other going in opposite linguistic directions.

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Lucky Tiler | 19 February 2009 - 9:39am

It is a middle class thing

It is a middle class thing rather than being pretentious, i think as a a term it slipped into misuse.

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woodface | 22 February 2009 - 7:09pm

Only airports...

...have lounges (or so I was told only yesterday)

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oops | 25 February 2009 - 2:22pm

Unisex

Not that frequent anymore.

See also 'male model' or 'male nurse'. No need for the 'male' bit anymore.

Bistro.

Wally. No one calls anyone that anymore.

Dress shop. Richard Shops is dead.

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Five-Centres | 9 February 2009 - 5:34pm

Wally

I called my grand-daughter a wally only last week. I use it as a gentle way of telling her I think she's been a bit daft, and she takes it in that spirit.

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nigelthebald | 9 February 2009 - 7:21pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Deacon

I urge everyone to read the wiki link above.

Forever associated with late 70s Blue Peter by a certain age group (mine). His name spread like wildfire around the playgrounds of this country with appaling fervour as a derogatory term. But I still laughed when his name came up in an episode of Spaced despite being in my early 30s at the time when I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN A WHOLE LOT BETTER. Maybe I was laughing ironicly. Maybe I was reverting to type - a tit.

Donations to Mencap are monthly from the Colibosher household.

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TedLoaf | 10 February 2009 - 10:46am

Cultural Milestone...

...for us 30(nearly 40)somethings.

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nicktf | 11 February 2009 - 1:14am

I remember that also, it was

I remember that also, it was a little wierd for me as I have a mentally handicapped brother, as a result my friends tended not to use the term around me. Of course the the particular term 'mentally handicapped' is now not to be used in polite society, we should now use the term learning disabled. To me this is utter nonsense and only causes confusion as people grapple with the differences between 'learning disabled' and those with a 'learning difficulty' (e.g. dyslexia). I still use the term 'mentally handicapped' and will do so until mencap change there name to 'learn-dis'. I also seem to recall that Joey Deacon was actually acute mentally and it was more of a physical/communication thing?

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woodface | 22 February 2009 - 7:19pm

Sitting Room?

Never. We had a front room and a back room (which was never used).

Only posh people had a Lounge.

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Steve Makin | 9 February 2009 - 5:36pm

Back room

would have been the parlour then.

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Paul Waring | 9 February 2009 - 6:09pm

Lookshereh!

(It's phonetic)

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Retropath2 | 9 February 2009 - 6:11pm

Lost in the mists of time...

Skullery - that`ll be the kitchen.
Hi-Fi - self explanatory.
Taped - don`t you mean Sky+.
The charts - who actually cares now?
Supper/ dinner/ tea - depends where in Britain you live.
Most businesses don`t use the word `profit` these days.

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gerry d | 9 February 2009 - 6:50pm

Nooo...

The scullery is the room off the kitchen where (these days) you keep the washing machine/dryer etc etc and do the washing/ironing.

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 8:48am

"Like"

has replaced "Um" and "Huh" now seems to be an abreviation for "I beg your pardon"

I thought I would be forever young but I'm sounding like my Grandad and I think I'm right!

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Trrroglodyte | 10 February 2009 - 1:04am

The kitchen sink

was called a bosh.
No idea why.

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Crowdedmouse | 10 February 2009 - 8:46am

Pantries vs. larders

Are they like napkins/serviettes or lavatories/toilets, or is there an essential difference that's escaped me? Typing that just now, a dim old synapse just went "ping", with flakes of mental rust flying in all directions, and I now seem to remember something about pantries being for tins and preserves and the like while larders are for fresh stuff: hung pheasants and so on. Could that be right?

I ask because in my new house I've got one (used for all non-fridge food, fresh or otherwise) and I don't know what to call it in English.

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Archie Valparaiso | 10 February 2009 - 9:02am

A buttery subject

These are both types of underwear for the overweight
Pantries are for the ladies and larders for the gentlemen

I'm flabberghasted that these words are no longer in usage

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Los Aromas | 14 February 2009 - 5:27pm

Slacks

Walking past a gents' clothing shop the other evening, incongruously sited in a residential area in a part of town we rarely visit, some friends and I were amused by a sign in the window advertising "slacks".

Does anyone still use this word in a non-ironic fashion, apart from a particular kind of gentlemen's oufitter?

Is slacks interchangeable with trousers, or does it denote a particular type of legwear?

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Hosskins | 10 February 2009 - 11:48am

I think (although I may be wrong)...

Slacks were the sort of gentleman's trizer that (a) wasn't the bottom half of a suit and/or (b) required no braces. In other words, they were - like cardigans and cravats - typical items of what used to be termed "casual wear".

But I can't stop. I've got clinker to riddle and pots to side.

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Archie Valparaiso | 10 February 2009 - 12:28pm

Slacks

Certainly not interchangeable with "skinny jeans".

The last person I can recall using the word "slacks" was my maternal grandmother, who died in 1989. She was certainly *not* being ironic....

Edit: I think Archie may have it - definitely casual. My grandfather often wore slacks with a cravat, shirt and cardigan when "off duty".

Edit no.2: Blimey, I've just remembered: I inherited one of my grandad's cardigans when he died. One of my favourite ever garments.

You've put me in a very contemplative, nostalgic mood, Archie, for which: many thanks.

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nigelthebald | 10 February 2009 - 12:56pm

Not having worn jeans in many years

someone recently told me I 'looked good in slacks'. I didn't know whether to be offended or not. Moreover, should my chinos have been offended?

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matthew | 10 February 2009 - 2:59pm

Separates

...as in suits and separates. Womens' clothes. Like foundationwear. It's died out.

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Five-Centres | 11 February 2009 - 4:15pm

1. Being made to don a

1. Being made to don a 'pretty frock' on Sunday for church, aka 'Sunday best'

2. Nipping to the 'outside loo'

3. If it wasn't 'bath night' you'd make do with a 'strip wash'

4. Having your 'rats tails' brushed

4. Putting on the 'big light' in the 'front room'

Aah - the seventies...

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cathtrish | 10 February 2009 - 1:33pm

The Big Light!

Blimey! I thought it was only my lot that used that. It was also a no-no to put the 'big light' on except when clearing up and hoovering after a drinks party.

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James Blast | 10 February 2009 - 5:44pm

Do you guys live in a Peter Kay free zone?!

If so, you've missed your chance to make a fortune from amusing riffs on family life in the 70s / 80s / Bolton as he's beaten you to it...

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Red Umpire | 10 February 2009 - 6:00pm

60s/70s Glasgow

if you don't mind pal

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James Blast | 10 February 2009 - 8:05pm

Well, since we're discussing

Well, since we're discussing words/phrases which have fallen out of regular use we may well be looking back at our childhoods - no?

I'd love to go back to feudal Britain, but unfortunately my time machine is in the menders, so I need to make do with the cliche ridden, market saturated mid-70's.

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cathtrish | 11 February 2009 - 10:04am

Blimey Cath (or is it Trish?)

My comment was meant to be a light-hearted dig at Mr Kay's mining of his childhood vernacular for comedic effect rather than a dig at your own suggestions. Apologies if I offended you. I certainly didn't mean to.

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Red Umpire | 11 February 2009 - 10:43am

No problem Mr Ellcock - I

No problem Mr Ellcock - I was having a bad hair day

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cathtrish | 13 February 2009 - 2:26pm

And this fella:

"Well i see you've got a husband now.
Did he leave your pretty fingers lying
In the wedding cake?
You used to hold him right in your hand.
I'll bet he took all he could take.
Sometimes i wish that i could stop you from talking
When i hear the silly things that you say.
I think somebody better put out the big light,
Cause i can't stand to see you this way"

(Aww, come on, don't say what fella...........)

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Retropath2 | 10 February 2009 - 7:20pm

All together now

Alison...
I know this world is killing you.
Oh Alison.
My aim is true.
My aim is true.
[repeat to fade]

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Red Umpire | 10 February 2009 - 8:49pm

Also used in the song The Big Light

on the King of America album

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badartdog | 21 February 2009 - 10:21pm

but... but... but...

The Big Light is a terrifying thing only Weegies know about...

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James Blast | 22 February 2009 - 12:28am

We still go for a Kentucky

none of that KFC rubbish. And not very often either.

Front room/lounge was always called the living room when I was a boy. Not sure what we did in the other rooms though.

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Leedsboy | 10 February 2009 - 2:56pm

Other rooms

If you had a living room, did it follow that you had a lavatory?
A sitting room and a loo?
A parlour and a nettie?
A lounge and a lavvie?

Were there rules for this sort of thing?

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Captain Underpants | 10 February 2009 - 8:16pm

Pur-lease!

It's a drawing room and a loo

A sitting room is more a 'toilet' sort of word

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stimpy | 10 February 2009 - 9:40pm

We we had

A loo or a toilet (depending on how many syllables you bodily function would allow).

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Leedsboy | 10 February 2009 - 10:07pm

We've got a nettie!

Possibly the only one in Berkshire.

Also I don't often have sandwiches but I do eat quite a lot of stotties. But that would be me going way off topic now.

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Beezer | 24 February 2009 - 12:43pm

Great thread

'Dunkie' (sp?) has also been removed from the lexicon, to be replaced by the much-less-sleazey 'condom'. Good to see David Pleat mentioned above - he still refers to footballers playing in positions which haven't graced a team sheet since the sport was first broadcast in colour. A phrase I grew up hearing but would be shocked to hear said now would be 'black mans pinch'.

Words do come back around though. 'Whistleblower' is enjoying a strong renaissance, perhaps as a white collar, middle-class version of 'grass'.

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Gareth | 10 February 2009 - 8:49pm

Nothing wrong with a

rubber johnny, is there?

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Retropath2 | 11 February 2009 - 10:39am

Not at all, but

When I were a lad in London, we called them Jolly Bags.

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ridski | 12 February 2009 - 6:40pm

I did not know what the term

I did not know what the term condom referred to until much later in life, thought it was something to do with a condo.

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woodface | 22 February 2009 - 7:22pm

Single

seems to be slipping out of the common parlance as we buy songs or tunes nowadays.

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Mark JF | 10 February 2009 - 9:20pm

Who still goes to a film, or, worse, the pictures?

It sounds quaint when you think about it, but when I hear someone say they are going to a movie, I want to slap them and say "You're from Fife, pal, and talking like that isn't going to fool anyone!"

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Lucky Tiler | 10 February 2009 - 11:54pm

I go to

the Flicks

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Beany | 10 February 2009 - 11:57pm

Pictures for me

As you can tell, it was the pictures in Dunfermline or Kirkcaldy for me. Even, terrifyingly, Kelty on one occasion.

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peterafifer | 11 February 2009 - 1:51pm

Is this

the Fife corner? Can I join in please, please? I remember when they left the back doors of the Kirkcaldy ABC open in the rain and the whole place flooded, etc.

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Kevin Woolard | 13 February 2009 - 10:27pm

Folks are queuing up to get into Fife Corner

Mostly Edinburgh commuters though.

When they left the back doors at the Regal in Dunfermline opened, they also got flooded, with wee boys sneaking in for nothing.

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Lucky Tiler | 16 February 2009 - 1:30pm

Dustbinman

Since we all now have wheely bins, I suppose it should be wheelybinman but the correct term is refuse collector apparently!

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Uncle Mick | 10 February 2009 - 10:37pm

Rag & Bone Man

Now we get those plastic bags through the door for us to leave our junk on the doorstep, ostensibly for charity until you read the small print and it's a big company that only gives thruppence a ton to a deserving cause when it remembers.

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Beany | 10 February 2009 - 10:50pm

aka "The Bawley" (sp?) in my part of Merseyside

Leading to my mother's favourite expression "You look like a Bawley's assistant" whenever my attire failed to meet her exacting standards.

[I assume the etymology of said phrase derives from the gent's habit of 'bawling' the word "iron" at the top of his voice as he tried to persuade the housewives of Rock Ferry to donate rags and scrap metal (never, oddly enough, bones, so far as I can recall) to his hand-pulled cart.]

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Paul Waring | 11 February 2009 - 4:57pm

Doth the wheeliebin manual sayeth?

Thou shalt leave the wheelie somewhere vaguely in the region of the house once emptied or
thou shalt block up the owner's driveway with it and
if it snoweth or raineth leaveth the lid wide open.
(or does it just happen to me?)

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Richard Raftery | 13 February 2009 - 9:08pm

The Haringey version

says we may empty it or only do a partial job or perhaps not touch it all. It all makes your life so exciting.

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Carl Parker | 16 February 2009 - 1:50pm

What's on the Idiots' Lantern?

My dad says this in reference to the telly.

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Austin | 11 February 2009 - 8:36am

The Gogglebox

That's what my dad used to call it. I don't know whether he made it up or heard it elsewhere.

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Lucky Tiler | 11 February 2009 - 9:27am

Sadly

We never seem to say

"Who's on the Old Grey Whistle Test next week?"

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Beany | 11 February 2009 - 10:05am

God! Did you see that - Boy

God! Did you see that - Boy George/Marc Almond/Kate Bush/insert own shocking pop star moment - on Top of the Pops last night?

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cathtrish | 11 February 2009 - 10:13am

Flange

As in; "it was a great night, the place was rammed with flange".

Mostly of course, it wasn't.

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alecart | 12 February 2009 - 1:17am

Much missed

Mintex and skillex.

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David Wright | 12 February 2009 - 5:25pm

Mintex?

They made brake pads in my day

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stimpy | 12 February 2009 - 5:33pm

Vibes......

...as in "good vibe in the pub last nite", or "Heard excellent vibes about the new Family album". Whatever happened to that one.AND does no one buy albums nowadays?

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geacher53 | 12 February 2009 - 7:49pm

Whilst There.....

...are Family not the most criminally underrated band in history? Five spanking albums in a row...(Music In A Dolls House/Entertainment/A Song For Me/Fearless/Anyway/Bandstand)? Make that six!
Maybe I'm on the wrong thread here...

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geacher53 | 12 February 2009 - 8:12pm

Berk

The word berk appears to have virtually disappeared from everyday usage. I am trying to keep it alive, especially when conversing with work colleagues.
Always a favourite as the word originated and was shortened from the rhyming slang 'Berkshire Hunt'. It gives me a little internal guffaw when using it on someone who would recoil in horror if I used the original derivation.

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Richard Eyre | 13 February 2009 - 10:49am

Does that mean

I've been pronouncing it wrong all these years?

Should I have been saying 'Bark' instead?

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Paul Waring | 13 February 2009 - 4:39pm

I think...

I think it’s Berkeley Hunt...

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Inky Fingers | 13 February 2009 - 6:52pm

You twerp!

You wally!
You twonk!
You pranny!

I have probably been called all of these in my time and I rarely hear them now. I just get newer, more modern terms of abuse.

A 6 foot 5 heavy metal fan once complained to me that he felt like a "right ninny" for forgetting something. Ninny? Ninny?! I took the piss for about three seconds and stopped quickly. (Did I mention he was 6 foot 5?)

I heard that Berkhampstead Hunt was the true origin of berk, BTW.

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Austin | 13 February 2009 - 7:37pm

Similarly plonker, prat, plank and pillock

Quite like "pillock" myself, but you don't hear it much these days. John Shuttleworth did his best to revive it with his Pillock of the Community tour two or three years back.

It seems affectionate somehow - affectionate enough to use on my two young boys at any rate. I was called a pillock by my dad, never did me any harm etc...

"Plonker" will be forever linked with Only Fools and Horses and "plank" is too Simon Mayo circa 1989.

"Prat" still gets an airing from time to time round these parts.

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Hosskins | 14 February 2009 - 4:29pm

Pillock

we thought this meant 'pregnant fish' at school.

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badartdog | 21 February 2009 - 10:26pm

My father-in-law (81)

always refers to kecks as 'tweeds' and wonders why young men don't wear 'singlets' (vests) anymore.
I often annoy my daughter by telling to wear 'a nice frock' when a significant occasion is coming up.

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Richard Raftery | 13 February 2009 - 8:59pm

'Broken homes' you don't hear so much about these days

as in 'He comes from a broken home, what do you expect?'
'Broken Britain' on the other hand...

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Richard Raftery | 13 February 2009 - 9:01pm

Broken Britain

Maybe it's just that if enough of the individual homes get broken, you can consider the whole thing broken?

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Lucky Tiler | 16 February 2009 - 1:32pm

Hire Purchase could be due for a comeback.

Sometimes called the 'never never'.

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Richard Raftery | 13 February 2009 - 9:02pm

Tick

or knocker. Or did I imagine that? Remember the man from the Pru. It's all loan sharks now. And subscriptions to music magazines.

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Beany | 14 February 2009 - 12:14am

Finance, they call it these days

But if you look at the small print on your "finance" agreement, you'll see that it is actually HP. Which means the car doesn't belong to you till you've made the final payment...

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magneticfields | 19 February 2009 - 12:54pm

I innocently greeted someone with "Wotcha" recently

and was told this hadn't been heard in public since Lofty and 'Shell split up. That'll learn me.

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Darcy | 13 February 2009 - 10:51pm

People still say "wotcha!"...

or at least I do.

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Patrick Crowther | 16 February 2009 - 10:56am

Safeway

became the more down market beast called Morrison's - if the 'proper' Genesis reform, will Peter change the lyric in Aisle of Plenty, I think we should be told...

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James Blast | 14 February 2009 - 12:30am

Baed on the last reformation...

...he'll struggle to remember the original lyrics, let along write new ones!

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stimpy | 14 February 2009 - 1:58pm

Spotify

Remember last week, when we were all talking about that? Whatever happened to all those playlists?

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Captain Underpants | 14 February 2009 - 12:31am

Oft used phrase by my nan...

... is "Are you courting?". Ah, language from a simpler time.

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Reno Dakota | 15 February 2009 - 8:51pm

A really nice term that, but

A really nice term that, but i think it had a geographical genesis as well? Ii seem to recall it being a south yorkshire rather than north yorkshire thing (well it was when i was a lad).

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woodface | 22 February 2009 - 7:24pm

That stacks up

My Granny was from Bradford and used those very words to me when I was about 14.

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Austin | 22 February 2009 - 11:26pm

Courting & Winching

My pal's mum used to ask me if I was still courting, which places it also in the west of Scotland, among people born c 1920s.

For the rest of us in Fife, "winching" was used more often. It means kissing. I like the imagery of a woman being winched aboard for a relationship.

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Lucky Tiler | 23 February 2009 - 7:17pm

I remember my (Liverpool-centric)

grandma asking me in about 1975 if I was courting

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stimpy | 24 February 2009 - 11:17am

Crivens!

I miss 'Crivens!' and I can't even remember which family members or teachers used to say it now...

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jessadams | 15 February 2009 - 9:12pm

Crivens

I only ever saw that in The Broons, or heard it from people pretending to be the Broons.

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Lucky Tiler | 16 February 2009 - 1:33pm

Jings!

(Just wanted to say it, tho' Broons/Oor Wullie apart, my only other ever hearing of the word is Billy Connolly suggesting that itisn't the first choice of word ejacualated when the Moderator of the Church of Scotland drops that big bible on his toe)
See also: Michty Me!

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Retropath2 | 16 February 2009 - 1:41pm

Second Post

In two contexts - firstly, the literal second delivery of post to your home : first post 7:30ish, second post 10:30ish. When the delivery system was consolidated, of course it was the first post that was actually removed.

This change means that I struggle to find a term my younger colleagues can understand when I suffer a "second post hangover" - the morning after a night out, I can feel surprisingly OK first thing but around 10:30 start to realise that the hangover has settled in and it's a long time till lunchtime.

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el hombre malo | 16 February 2009 - 10:58am

I like to say 'Cripes'

... or even 'crikey'. (So there)

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Richard Raftery | 16 February 2009 - 9:59pm

I'm fond of an occasional 'champion'

and a 'blimey'

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Fridge | 17 February 2009 - 10:20am

Top hole.

Tip top use of language there, old bean.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 10:24am

Paaaaaaaarty

Am I alone in regretting the day "party" became a verb? And don't get me started on "medalling".

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Timmie The Dog | 19 February 2009 - 10:31am

Biddlewhack

As in "Let's biddlewhack down for the night". Rimmer in Red Dwarf said it in the episode Justice (season 4). I think it would be a good name for a Blur style pop band.

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LOUDspeaker | 19 February 2009 - 10:59am

You'll have to speak even LOUDERspeaker

Could you maybe mean bivouac?

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Retropath2 | 19 February 2009 - 11:00am

Biddlewhack means to sleep.

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LOUDspeaker | 19 February 2009 - 11:56am

Oh.

I thought I'd google it. This is all I could find, reinforcing my suggestion, I thought, from sleepeybears blogspot(!?):

"This past week, I was having lunch with some brothers when I heard one share a quote from a recent class: "The bacteria biddlewhacked in your mouth." Thinking I had misheard him, I asked him what the heck he was talking about. He explained that one of his bacterial biology professors has a heavy Chinese accent, and during a class discussion about cottonmouth (you know, that stuffy feeling in your mouth when you first wake up), the professor explained that this cottonmouth was caused by the bacteria "biddlewhacking" in your mouth. Another brother asked what that meant, and the first brother admitted that he didn't know, but it didn't sound pleasant. (I got the impression he thought the bacteria were using his mouth for a toilet.)

As we continued trying to figure out what the professor had meant, the Army brat in me finally realized what the professor had said: that the bacteria bivouacked in your mouth. This isn't a common layman's term; instead, it's a word the military uses for setting up a camp. So I laughed a little, and explained the word to the students. While I hope they were impressed that I both knew the actual word and could even spell it, I have to admit that they were mostly relieved that all the bacteria were doing was camping out each night.

Who knew that all of that time around the military (including watching war movies) would be so practical? "

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Retropath2 | 19 February 2009 - 12:20pm

It's very possible that biddlewhack was

a made up word that the character used in Red Dwarf.

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LOUDspeaker | 19 February 2009 - 12:37pm

Could be

but, please, do go on using it.
I know of nobody else who refers to his thirst as being as dry as a ponty bone, and will happily go on so doing.
(Ponty Bone was the accordeonist in Joe Elys 80s band)

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Retropath2 | 19 February 2009 - 12:48pm

Buffoon

As in a G & S song I just heard. Oh! A Private Buffoon Is A Light-Hearted Loon. It's on Spotify, of course.

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Beany | 19 February 2009 - 11:05am

Former defence secretary Geoff Hoon...

...was known as 'Buff' Hoon in Army circles

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stimpy | 19 February 2009 - 1:31pm

Pumps

I had a Winfield pair that squeaked around the school hall during PE. As I got older and trendier it had to be Dunlop Green Flash.

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Austin | 19 February 2009 - 11:06am

Brothel creepers

Didn't people use to call quiet shoes brothel creepers?

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LOUDspeaker | 19 February 2009 - 11:55am

They were a specific design

As modelled by "teds" and Showaddywaddy, Darts etc - with big, almost sponge-like black soles.

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Austin | 19 February 2009 - 12:07pm

Pumps were very specifically...

...the plain black ones with the elasticated bit where the tongue of a shoe would normally be

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stimpy | 19 February 2009 - 1:33pm

My mother looked down on those.....

....feeling they were what poor people purchased in Woolies. Having been raised near barefoot on a Stornoway croft, she felt entitled to be a snob in later life!

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Retropath2 | 19 February 2009 - 2:03pm

She's right, though

We weren't swimming in money, so Winfield and Delaware were the designer labels at our house.

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Austin | 19 February 2009 - 8:58pm

Yes

The Green Flash Dunlops I referred to were training shoes. (note - not "sneakers" or even "trainers")

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Austin | 19 February 2009 - 8:56pm

That'd be plimsoles then

(I think Plimsouls was a witty affectation by the eponymous beat combo)

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Retropath2 | 19 February 2009 - 11:14am

Sandshoes

That's what they called them when I arrived at my first school in Fife. I soon had the term "plimsolls" battered - literally - out of me.

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Lucky Tiler | 21 February 2009 - 12:32pm

Flummoxed

is due for a revival I feel. Has it roots in the cotton industry I believe.

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Richard Raftery | 21 February 2009 - 1:22am

What we used to play music on?

Used to be radiogram, became music centre/stereo/hifi

Surely an item with the most interchangeable and dissapearing monickers?

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James Taylor | 21 February 2009 - 1:33am

'Solid State'

..never gets stamped on radios these days. Whatever did it mean?

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Prestonia | 21 February 2009 - 8:27am

Solid state meant

using transistors instead of valvles (if you know what I mean)

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James Taylor | 21 February 2009 - 12:34pm

Lumbago

Bet no-one gets that any more.

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Paul Waring | 21 February 2009 - 8:31am

Derbyshire Neck

Not many cases of that around either.

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Carl Parker | 21 February 2009 - 1:45pm

Sheaths.

What a turn off!

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Prestonia | 21 February 2009 - 9:01pm

prophylactics

?

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James Blast | 21 February 2009 - 9:10pm

Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Seamlessly rebranded.

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Prestonia | 21 February 2009 - 11:38pm

Water Board etc

Some people go on about paying their water rates to the Water Board - even they have been companies for years.

Also on trains - there are no longer travellers/passengers but customers (which annoyed many at first but I can live this) and 2nd class has been replaced by standard class - though with the amount of standing I do - second class is a better description.

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andrewdavidlong | 22 February 2009 - 1:11am

Well we have a new word now thanks to the USA

Waterboarding

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LOUDspeaker | 23 February 2009 - 10:30am

Pushchair

When did pushchairs stop being pushchairs and become buggies?

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Hosskins | 1 March 2009 - 6:52pm

and what happened to

prams?

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longtonian | 2 March 2009 - 2:25pm

So true

No wonder "pram faced harpy" fails to register with, um, pram faced harpies

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Retropath2 | 2 March 2009 - 4:10pm

Beatniks

Where are they now I ask myself? Does anyone really care?

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Richard Raftery | 3 March 2009 - 4:58pm

Roy Harper

who has said he was always a beatnik and never a hippy, lives in Ireland.

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Carl Parker | 3 March 2009 - 8:01pm

With the long haired hippies

I believe.

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Retropath2 | 3 March 2009 - 5:22pm

West Germany

used last night by Gareth Southgate to describe Germanys start to the world cup.

Also I heard a tennis commentary the other day where the commentator used the phrase he emailed that shot to his opponent,whereas it used to be he telegraphed that shot to his opponent

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MrRadio | 16 June 2010 - 7:37am

Bikes

We called them pushbikes or treaders.

Do mopeds still exist? I can't imagine the yoof being as proud as we were of our fizzies (there's another... FS1E).

Cow horns. Ape hangers. Drops.

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clivetemple | 16 June 2010 - 8:35am
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