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WORD, YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR NOW
What on earth does "The" Word think it is doing putting the Lady bloody Gaga on the cover? Have you given up being a "serious" rock magazine and decided to become a teenage rag?
Selling records is NOT the same as being talented. Have we really reached the stage where scrubbers wearing thongs and silly hats is valued over real, hard-earned musicianship? Do you really need to sell copies of your "magazine" that much?
Additionally, that's THREE months recently you have had a woman on the cover. OK, one was dead and the other was pictured next to Derek Jameson (or Leonard Cohen, I wasn't sure), but still, are you turning the magazine into some sort of PC-crazed organ which has to show the "girls" regardless of merit?
I'm fairly sure that this will turn A LOT of readers off. Bad show, "the" Word, bad show.
*wipes brow with Creedence Clearwater Revival t-shirt*
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Gets popcorn,
puts feet up ...
Puts kettle on
& Scurries back in to make sure hasn't missed anything...
You're just fishing
for a patronising "calm down dear it's only the cover" type comment aren't you?
well, you won't get one of those from me, no way pedro.
*checks feminists credentials are intact* :P
Tee hee
You're a very wicked lady, Jo.
Next month's cover star : Louise Mensch
At which point JoLean raises an army and marches on Islington to sack Word Towers...
The following month's cover star: Lemmy
And peace was restored......
One was dead?
Which one was dead?
Ms Winehouse
was pretty much dead last time anyone checked...
And Ms Lean has ms-counted Since September we've had Amy Winehouse, Adele, Kate Bush, Florence, Bjork, PJ Harvey and now Lady G on the cover. It's almost as if the girls are as good at this stuff as the boys.
Ah I see what you've done
You've gone for 3 covers in the last 5 months not the last 3 months.
I was thinking,,,
...of the Winehouse cover.
You forgot
Kate Bush.
Who?
I think she was in Girlschool
When are we going to have them in The Word Fraser then, eh? Oh aye, you get in if you're a couple of Swedish lasses doing the old hey nonny nonny stuff, but make some of the best records of the NWOBHM and nobody wants to know.
*stomps off to listen to Japanese mini LP remaster CD of Demolition*
Hehehe
You said 'bush'.
Quick Question for Mr Ellen.
So what did she look like naked, then? Would you? Eh? EH?
We want
Fanny!*
*what? the band with Suzi Quattro's sister in....d'ohh!!!!
They didn't think it through, did they?
It's a band name that doesn't travel too well.
You'd think someone would have had a quiet word at the time, pointing out that their name, while just a little saucy in their native USA, actually translated as "minge" in Britain.
I saw a CD tonight by
a band called 'the Internet'. thats gonna be a bugger to goggle
Freudian slip?
I know it's bad form but....
when you say "goggle", I suspect you may still be thinking of Fanny.
On the Internet.
Give us Barabbas!
As pointed out in the 24hr party people film, Barabbas is a good name for a band.
I went
PJ, Florence/Bjork, Kate Bush & Adele before Amy. Only 1 in the last 6 covers hasn't had a lady on it.
I know...
...I've been told. I just thought of the last two I could remember. I'm not that visual, so don't remember covers very well.
Sorry.
You women
Brains like sieves!
In my defence...
...Spartacus, I was posing in lingerie, ironing, cooking and watching Loose Women at the same time, so was slightly distracted.
and embroidering a picture of a kitten
on a cushion cover?
Is that all?
Don't forget the afternoon shift on the Word chatline as well.
Multitasking
in the way that we men cannot.
I cheated
I clicked on the Older tab up the top. Mind, I wasn't sure who the Florence and Bjork pictures really were.
I wish I could forget the Dido one...
...
Geraldine Rafferty
I love you
Next month: Clodagh Rodgers
I was shocked as well.
"The most extraordinary pop star Mark Ellen has ever met."
He's met Marilyn for God's sake...
Typical female response
we let you have your lot on the cover and all we get is aggro and verbals in the earhole.
I mean we could have has Susan Boyle on there which would have covered the beard and female market but I suppose thats wrong now is it?
We all know that pop music is just for girls, the gays and lonely housewives. The Word has got to survive in these austere times and if have a bit of totty on the cover does the business then so be it. Thats what I told David Cameron about the beers in the House Of Commons bar.
as a "Word blog fixture" (those aren't just my words, they are the WORDSof the WORD's Mark Ellen and his WORD IS FINAL!) I take great offence at your post and have taken steps with the relevant authorities for it to be expunged from history. Do not cross me, woman.
I dunno, let em have the vote and now this.....
Word *Website* Fixture actually...
...which implies that your "fixtureness" extends beyond the narrow confines of the 'blog', across all those other tabs at the top of the page that I keep meaning to click on but never actually get round to doing...
Is it GaGa?
I thought it was Iggy.
*note to self. Car insurance due*
Lady GaGga
Nice pins an' all that, but in a guitar duel with Peter Green there'd only be one winner. Clue: It wouldn't be GaGa!
Haver you seen Peter Green lately?
She would kick his ass with one hand (not physically coreect)
Don't know about recently
will this time last year do ?
He's not what he was, but I think he could still take gaga on the fretboard.
That sounds vaguely rude.
About Time, Too.
Regular readers will be aware that I have been singing her praises for years. At last Word officially recognises her greatness, and indeed, her importance, to the mighty world of Pop. Hats off, Gentlemen! Hats off!
GaGa
I like her too, but I found Edge of Glory a bit shit.
it wasn't her best but
it does have some Clarence Clemons saxophone buried in there, and he's the cool cat sitting on the steps in the video, not long before he passed away
Haangonaminnit!
Lady Gaga on what cover? I haven't got a cover with Lady Gaga on. There should have been a spoiler alert if it's the latest ishoo, which hasn't appeared at Policybloke Mansions yet. Anyway I agree, no Gaga. I was hoping for Lana Del Ray, but as she is probably a fictional character, and seems to have retired already, that is unlikely.
Dido or Ga Ga?
Who cares?
The magazine cannot stay preserved in aspic.
Like the Dandy
Hee hee hee!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dandy_in_Aspic
Pass the popcorn Burt
This could go on for a while.
Anyone want...
...a beer?
I don't know why I find this all so entertaining, because
I don't read The Word and have never heard Lady GaGa (fact).
*gets bowl of cornflakes"
Calm down...
There's bound to be a overly-lengthy article about someone who never actually sold any records or was popular or anything, so that'll cancel the cover out.
That will be...
Paul du Noyer's wonderful tribute to the late great Jackie Leven.
Proves the old adage once again, that talent and commercial success are inversely related.
Have an up...
...for that, Jim. It is a beautifully written piece and more than matches the cover story.
Which itself does appear to capture the essential lunacy of the Gaga experience - can't bring myself to call her a musician because, by her own admission she is a "separate magical entity". Astonishing - and not necessarily in a good way!
Cripes
if that's what's waiting for me when I get home tonight, I'm going to have some explaining to do with the ladies of the house...
The FT sent S Fry to interview her last year
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0cca76f0-873a-11e0-b983-00144feabdc0.html#axzz...
but I think they got away with it ... I'm still pronouncing it Lady Guh-GAAH after "Miranda's" mum ...
Those photos are the pits.
Not the 'togs fault, but the "I'm kooky me" ness of them makes me want to self harm.
A sign of the times (AKA The aging process)
Celebrities (musicians and otherwise) all seem to be getting younger. I've got over myself recently on this and have come to the conclusion that some of them are really rather good.
I quite like "Project fronted by young girl from New York" otherwise known as Lady Gaga. They have made some great songs. I even realised on New Year’s Eve courtesy of Jools Holland that a young lady called Jessie J has a fantastic song about Money.
It was only a matter of time before another of these bright young things appeared on the cover. We have had Lilly Allen before as I recall.
If ever there is a line that mustn’t get crossed it would be when Word promotes “Dancing on Ice” on the front cover. (Unless of course Mark Ellen or David Hepworth were one of the celebrities involved. I’d pay to see it!)
Jessie J
I'd put my copy of Word in the bin if she was on the cover. Not because she's young, female or popular, but because she's so bloody irritating.
She's the love-child of Pink and that fella who made the funny noises on Police Academy.
I've not read the article yet.
Is it as good as Catlin Moran's, generally regarded as being the Gold Standard for GaGa writing?
Does Mark write about having a wee with her in a German sex-club?
(GaGa, not Moran. Although he might've had a wee with Catlin Moran in a German sex-club, it probably wouldn't be particularly relevant to the article.)
I'm sure Jolean will forgive me for what i'm about to write
she must know by now that I'm an unreconstructed Gene Hunt 1970s alpha male type.
I hereby declare that I'd give both Louise Mensch and Dido one. But I wouldn't touch Gaga with a bargepole.
Now what's this debate about? Oh yes, The Word cover. It's the contents of the mag that matter to me.
carry on as you were.
Not sure if bargepole
will appreciate being employed thus --- perhaps you should ask him ?
good point
no offence intended, to barge or his pole
I'm guessing here
but I'm not sure that Jolean will forgive the use of "give one" as a verb. It's just a tad too unreconstructed.
Ratings
I must confess I am not familiar with Louse Mensch's books, they do seem very popular. Or does she have a singing career I don't know about? And Dido's music may be a bit bland but surely it is at least a three. Only giving them one out of ten is very harsh.
The contents of The Word are about music, aren't they.
Louise Mensch
given her marriage to Peter Mensch (Metallica's manager) I think an article/interview about her tastes in music and maybe how she perceives the business could be quite an interesting read. She is certainly a lively, articulate sort whenever she's on telly
Snorts
Women on the cover? Next thing you know, they'll be allowed to write for the magazine too!
Is this the same Lady Gaga
who was in Punch cartoons during the late 1920's (a satire of Nancy Cunard and her drinking pals). She must be positively ancient.
No, but it is the same Louise Mensch...
...who used to work on MTV's Headbangers Ball...
Gaga on the cover of The Word I can live with.
It's Robert Wyatt on the cover of this month's Razzle that's causing me sleepless nights.
times are hard
he did for a new winter coat for the wife, and a bicycle on the boy's birthday
Makes you wonder
There was some talk (podcast probably) about women on covers and poor sales - seems that view has changed. It's a rather fine, striking image, as were the Bush and Winehouse ones, and, in my view, deomonstrates the superiority of a well chosen, bold photo over the Mad magazine type caricatures. I welcome these subjects over the usual old geezers, and it does tend to be old ones since who would work as a young example? Then again, what's Gaga done but a small handful of top singles? Looking forward to reading it though.
Lady Gaga
Good cover, I'm all in favour. Shame her last album was bobbins.
I see Uncut have also gone leftfield with their cover this month.
Word gone Gaga
putting currently the world's most successful pop act on the cover? Gosh - it's almost as if they were trying to sell some copies, and make some money to keep the website going. Goodness knows where this will end.
If they make some money from this they will have to pay Frazer a salary and he will finally be able to pay off his indenture and return to NZ, whilst Ellen and Hepworth will build castles surrounded by moats of Chardonney and stop publishing a magazine. Then where we all be? I suggest a boycott*.
* A boycott is a lot of whinging northern nonsense about how much better things were in the 70s. In Yorkshire.
A boycott?
"* A boycott is a lot of whinging northern nonsense about how much better things were in the 70s. In Yorkshire."
I thought that was a Hepworth..
No
This is a Hepworth.
Big influence on the young Gaga
i was there last March
if i inadvertently walked past the Handcart family (without saying hi) my apologies
Things are looking up
I popped home at lunch time to check a couple of things. Word had duly arrived - I quickly flicked through it to see what I could look forward to tonight and this is what I saw:-
Naked pictures of Lady GaGA - come on, she aint bad looking.
A Comment from Sinead o'Connor about having 4 kids with 4 blokes.
A review of a book with the comments 'apparently 20 percent of women do not masturbate'.
Looks like its the most interesting issue in months. Someone slipped something into the coffee of the Word editorial team?
20% of women do not masturbate?
But that means 80% do.........
A book about wanking.
And why wasn't the resident expert asked to review it?
*Prepares to flounce*
Well I never
I had no idea that "flounce" was a euphemism for that too.
Maybe they thought
you'd have your hands full Lenny
Maybe it was a book about NOT wanking
In which case they have gotten the expert selection just right
I am waiting
for the Rihanna cover. Cor eh?
[can I just declare this is an ironic post and in no way reflects my real opinion]
[hang on maybe it does]
BTW, is the OP ironic or not? My ironico-scope seems to have gone AWOL.
Can I make it clear...
Before it 'all kicks off' - that my 'up' arrow meant, "I am amused by what you have written, and the way you have written it." Thanks.
Couldn't name you a Lady Wotsit song or CD.....
....can anyone, or its it just fame for fame's sake circa 2012?
Should those who can be allowed to vote?
Can anyone?
I can. Just for info.
Yep, me too.
But I refer the honorable member to my post of earlier today.
I'm in serious trouble
I know loads of Gaga songs (because she's inarguably ace) but couldn't name a single Richard Thompson song or album....
I can't speak Russian
but I don't see it as something to boast about.
Not sure I catch your drift
Are you saying that it's wrong to boast about not being able to name a Richard Thompson song or a Lady Gaga one?
What's sauce for the goose and all that...
That's kind of the point I was trying to make
.....
I'm saying.....
....that those who know absolutely zip about Lady GaGa should be given a little medal (like Muttley in 'Dastardly & Muttley') as it truly is a proud boast.
Two medals if you know nowt about madonna.
Myself, I think they should interview the Zheng Lab
in the next issue ...
Bad Project
Thanks so much for this, so very close to home in various contexts.
Why why why oh why
I want my mice to die
So brilliant that I can't
Hear the original without those lyrics.
I think the cover's great
I do however, feel for any young "teenybopper*" who buys the issue on the strength of the cover and is then confused by the articles about "cassettes" and "Crass"...
*teenybopper. Isn't that a great word? We should campaign for its comeback.
My ten-year old
Who religiously reads the best of/worst of may actually read an article. So we thank you.
No
SPOILERS!! I'm going to have to subscribe - the only way I can get the mag without knowing what's on the cover. Grrr.
Creedence v. Gaga?
Surely there's room for all sorts in the broad church that is Word? I'm equally happy listening to either of these:
La la la la la la la la la la laaaa.....
Two Issues With The New Issue
Excellent Jackie Leven article, but yet another one that can't spell Kirkcaldy.
And Andrew Collins thinks Procession was by Joy Division and on Closer?
I think not, sir. New Order, 2nd single.
Re Procession
Presumably Mr Collins meant The Eternal, from Closer? Its opening line is "Procession moves on, the shouting is over", after all; and it's certainly "funereal" as he says in the piece in question. Still an odd error to make, mind you...
My tuppence...
Boring as I find her, I have no particular problem with Gaga being on the cover, for two reasons.
1. Covers can make a difference to whether someone buys a magazine or not. And a magazine that has Lady Gaga on the cover may well sell more copies than one that has, say, Leonard Cohen. So if it brings in additional readers who might not normally read The Word, so much the better.
2. One of the things I like about The Word is that it's eclectic, and doesn't really do music snobbery in a big way. And much as I dislike Gaga, I think there's just as much a place for her in the magazine as any number of other less mainstream faces.
Well
Anything that keeps the good ship afloat, and under-employed Word contributors from expiring like consumptive Victorian children, is absolutely fine by me...
All this is so August 2009
Interesting opinions though
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/lady-gaga-you-know-you-want-to
Looks like
the Joe R/ Bob pop pressure group has been lobbying successfully.
Who wants to join my grebo pressure group? Back to the Planet for the cover. Tomorrow we march on Islington.
With an in-depth Ned's Atomic Dustbin retrospective.
Consumer tests: Which scabby mongrel on which bit of string? The brands of soap most easily dodged, MOTs and their avoidance, which merchant bank to work for when daddy threatens to cut off the trust-fund..
Does this mean
the return of Senser? Because if it does, I'm flouncing off.
For our next trick
We plan to do all we can to get Nicola Roberts on the cover.
Actually, if that happened, The Word might start to turn into Smash Hits.
Hang on, that'd be amazing. Make it more like Smash Hits :)
Back to the Planet
dear god. I remember their anti-violence anthem, the very literally titled "Please Don't Fight". Don't remember much else. Oh and they had those T-Shirts which sported the grammatically dubious slogan
"Who's Fucking Planet?"
Van Morrison's girlfriend in the early 70s
That's who.
Hadn't heard of them before
or realised the pivotal role they played in the 80s:
http://www.backtotheplanet.com/biog.htm
God they were bad though
I actually bought their debut album when I was 14 or 15 and even at that age I knew it was a stinker
Some feedback from a 14 yr old
My daughter saw the cover last night and did a double-take - "is that Lady Gaga?"
Having recovered from the shock, she said it was a really good picture, because you could see what she looked like and she wasn't dressed up as a boiled egg or something.
"Dressed up as a Boiled Egg..."
That's really tickled me - thanks for that!
Dressing up as a boiled egg didn't do this feller any harm...
And yet no quotes from poor old Lord Gaga...
... call yourselves journalists people of The Word!
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2010/10/22/lord-gaga-breaks-silence-my-wife-is-...
Thanks for that
This tickled me:
Lady Gaga
Fair enough. Biggest pop star for ages, bar Adele. Can't hear it meself, but I like the dresses.
But it would be good if we really were getting Derek Jameson in the mag. I'd rather read an interview with him than Leonard Cohen any day.
PS JoLean - you criticise Creedence at your peril. I'm a reasonable man, so I'll overlook it this time. *mutters*
No CCR dissing here
I wasn't criticising CCR at all. Just picked them as an example of 'Word' faves after imagining how high blood pressure among the massive reached when the mag hit the doormat.
The irony is I don't actually like Gaga very much - only a few of her singles(Bad Romance is, of course, one of the high watermarks of recent popular culture). I'm as likely to put on a CCR LP as a Gaga one.
I like Lady Gaga
I think she's really good.
Why aren't I writing for Granta and The Atlantic Review?
From the "Has to find something to complain about" dept
By all means stick Lady GAH-guh (as my mother in law calls her) on the mag- but don't you think a stock photo cover is a missed opportunity? Any half conscious illustrator could have created an infinitely more interesting image based on any of her more ridiculous stage costumes (my favourite: the "Skanky Cyborg"). In fact, I could knock one up in about five minutes, but... er... work's a bit busy
Came for Paul Young, Stayed for Young Marble Giants
My way in to, shall we say, odder music was Vaselined by buying NME, Sounds, Flexipop, Trouser Press etc for the covers of Duran, Human League and Adam and the Ants and being dragooned by great articles which sold new exotic bands to me.
So, some may buy Word109 for GaGa and find something to pique interest (even if it's Chris Isaak). Why try to impress us jaded old cynics? There is a new generation of minds to mould/subvert.
Or....
To look at it another way, maybe some of you jaded old cynics might overcome your prejudices, and be tempted to sample the catalogue of a genuiely brilliant very talented new star....
Gaga makes infinitely 'odder' and more interesting music than a lot of the people in the magazine, especially Chris Isaak!
Her wardrobe and stage show can certainly be odd and interesting
but I wouldn't say the music was particularly, well not odd anyway, compared with some of the records that get covered in Word. I mean her records range from Madonna-ish techno type poppy dance music to more recent harking back to 80s bombastic anthems. Which is fine and enjoyable but not terribly out there.
Access To My Library
I'm awfully sorry. I didn't know there was an arbiter of 'oddness' or that I had not actually purchased three GaGa albums. I shan't let it happen again.
Hasn't she only done two?!
I was taking your point that people may enter the magazine via Gaga and find some 'odder' material...
It's two and a half, really
If you count The Fame Monster as an EP. Or four and a half if you count the two remix albums.
Lady Gaga
Nice picture..Some early stuff of her on Youtube as a brunette doing Led Zeppelin covers and stuff..kind of interesting and she looks pretty good with dark hair as well
The interview\piece
thought it was a good un from her until those last responses
What is the biggest misconception about you"
"The biggest misconception about me is that I would be concerned about people having a misconceptiojn about me"
Leave it out, sweetheart, Madonna was doing that kind of bullshit 20 years ago and it was old hat then.
"Leave it out, sweetheart"
Have you been taking Grant Mitchell classes, DFB?
"Awright princess? 'Ere's ten pahnd. Go buy yerself summink nice..."
What you take me for
some kind of double yolker? a pilchard? Some muggy mug? Leave it ahhhhhhhtttt!
Alright, alright...
we've all 'ad a drink...
Is ok
she's faaaamileeee
Ere didn't you kill my brother?
No? Must have been me then
My muso daughter
pointed out to me that Youtube provides early evidence that her ladyship could really play piano long before she became famous. I suppose I should go and find it.
Looking at the cover picture above
I'd never have guessed it was Lady Gaga. She looks like a cross between Amy Winehouse and Annie Lennox in a wig.
And isn't it funny how we accept those stupid headset microphones without a second thought now? But if you look really hard at that cover picture she resembles a football referee (albeit a somewhat overdressed one) about to blow for a free kick.
All her songs sound the same
and she refrences herself throughout. To wit:
Ba-ba-ba-la-la-la-ga-ga-ga-ga-la-la-la (repeat in every song for all eternity).
I don't mind Alejandro though.
Thing is, I have ZERO interest in her. I'm not saying you have to be either a 14-year-old girl or a gay man to appreciate her (though I'm sure it helps), just that I don't think she's much cop. Just because someone wears a dress of meat or comes on stage wearing an armchair doesn't automatically make them a great innovator. Frankly, I think she's a bit daft.
That said I may well read the feature.
One man's meat, etc.
At the risk of sounding like a Word sycophant
I'm not a big fan, her music is ok but nothing spectacular and to me her act is Madonna 20 years ago. But it is the quality of the interview - it was a great read and, as often happens with the magazine, - the fact that it was about an artist I don't particular like was irrelevant.
Btw Do we have to refer to our editor as Mark Elle-n from now on?
No Mark Ellen
is now
La la El La Len, La La Ba Ba Stackridge Ah, Ma Ma Blue Shirt Ra, a Hepworth Bromance
Mmm, I don't want to listen to her too often...
...but she is expertly made Pop. Well done, Ms Stefani.
Actually she often reminds me of Boney M.
Well, I'm glad I bookmarked Jolean's provocative post a couple of days. Knew it would be an entertaining read. The Massive have not failed me.
About Time
Hooray! I know nothing about Lady Gaga, other than she's one of the most popular entertainers in the world. I think she fits right into the Word's remit - entertainment for lively minds. I'd like to read about her.
Still, I hope the editors hurry up and stick an OAP with a beard on the cover again soon, just to make the grandads feel less threatened by this new fangled pop music they seem to despise so much. So, this is what happened to the 60's generation, eh? Groovy.
Different generations, different views
I had a conversation a few weeks ago about comparative tastes in music with my 23 year old niece and 55 year old brother-in-law. We were talking about the CDs that were lying on top of their player - a mixture of stuff including Beyonce, Rihanna, Hank Williams and Willy Nelson. The view was strongly expressed that the current chart hits were just so much product promoted by girls prancing around in their gym knickers, whereas country music was made by real singers who had experienced life and could express genuine emotions.
Possibly confusingly to some, it was my niece who said this. The country records were hers and the pop records were her dad's.
That story would surprise me more.....
.....if the guy was 65.
But 55.
Born 1957-ish.
The same generation as that bastion of huge talent and good taste, Madonna....it's not that surprising is it?
Just a thought
If The Word had been around in 1964 and had put The Beatles on the front cover do you reckon lots of people would have posted on its blog, saying it was a disgrace and they should stick to covering Frankie Laine & Guy Mitchell because they made "proper music" instead of this new fangled pop stuff?
In a word
No.
Neither
am I expecting a three volume set of anthologies containing Lady Gaga outtakes in 2037.
I bought it
Hadn't bought The Word for ages. I've now taken out a sub. Although it was the Jackie Leven cd that made me buy it.
Oh good
That'll make up for me then. Nothing against the cover or Lady Gaga, just the content.
Lady Gaga
with that little headset mic on, she looks like the woman who sells chipped crockery down the market.
Just saying.