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Word Podcast 162: setting the world straight over The Brits, the Oscars and Beechams Powders

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In the pod this week we have Mark Ellen, Fraser Lewry and David Hepworth. On the agenda we have the following questions? Is there effective apartheid between the r&b and folkie factions currently making up British pop? Why can't British acts make speeches? Why do so many people hate Mumford & Sons? Who's best - Brian Wilson or Todd Rundgren? What's the big deal about The King's Speech? Is it true that all the Kiwis in the UK have to go to New Zealand House once a year to pick up a new All-Blacks shirt? Are the Brits running out of Lifetime Achievement winners? What the hell is going on with Beechams Powders? And so on.

You can follow this link to get the podcast every week or stream this new episode below.

Todd Rundgren

that is all

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James Blast | 17 February 2011 - 7:15pm

I second that emulsion

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Molesworth | 17 February 2011 - 10:15pm

Talking of ridiculous names...

I learnt today that there is a person that goes by the name of Chord Overstreet. Next week I will undoubtedly learn of his brother Suspended and sister Diminished.

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Patrick Crowther | 17 February 2011 - 9:22pm

Social Network better than The King's Speech?!!

Dave - I love ya baby, but you're way off the mark with drubbing the glorious The King's Speech. I've seen it twice in packed cinemas, and both times the film was spontaneously applauded. I've not witnessed that in a cinema since watching a reissue of Touch Of Evil over ten years ago - and I certainly didn't see it watching The Social Network - a clever but empty and soulless film

I think any movie that's already been seen by millions and that's recieved countless plaudits and awards before you get to see it for yourself is always going to suffer - I recently showed a much younger friend both Spinal Tap and The Wicker Man for their 1st time and they were sadly less than impressed, mainly due to hearing endless people telling them how they had to see these classic films

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Ricardo | 17 February 2011 - 10:53pm

I enjoyed the Kings Speech

Yet I found an aspect of the balcony scene at the end quite annoying. It's the significant, lingering looks of pride and satisfaction that the characters give each other. This doesn't happen in real life.

Try looking at someone for 10 long seconds, give a small smile as if fighting back a tear and nod your head with pride ever so slightly - all the while keeping eye contact. It's creepy.

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Austin | 18 February 2011 - 12:14am

Yet

another great podcast, something this entertaining shouldn't be for free, although I'm glad it is.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 17 February 2011 - 9:51pm

Pedantry

"statue of limitations" - marvellous.
Agree with sirbriancannonhunter re freeness. Very good, carry on.

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Lorenzo | 23 February 2011 - 12:15am

Actually

White acts can be nominated for a Mobo Award, and in fact if I'm not mistaken Justin Timbalake, Amy Winehouse and the Careless Whisper Hitmaker himself have all been nominated in the past.

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Dr Volume | 17 February 2011 - 11:54pm

Mumford and Sons

I haven't listened to the podcast yet but look forward to it when it finally downloads (44 minutes and counting - what is it with this podcast that makes it so slow?).

I think my problem with M&S is that my first exposure to them was a TV advert for the album in which they were wandering down a country lane wearing grandad shirts and tweed waistcoats while singing and playing acoustic instruments, looking very serious all the while. I couldn't decide if they were meant to be a parody or not.

I have since had the album wash over me leaving no memorable trace and have decided that they are just very dull. I love their sort of music but just don't think they do it at all well.

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Gatz | 18 February 2011 - 12:17am

Coldplay with banjos what's not to like?

....everything!

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Mr Fade | 18 February 2011 - 12:28am

My problem with them

before I had heard a single note of their music a very dear friend of mine (whose music taste I find increasingly challenging) told me he was going to see a band called Mumford & Sons and I simply thought that was one of the worst band names I have ever heard. There really isn't room in my world for a band with a name which sounds like a Removals firm from Hull.

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Dr Volume | 18 February 2011 - 3:29am

I thought it an ironic tribute to 70's kid show Rentaghost..

..when I first heard the name, what with Fred Mumford being the main character. Bizarrely, Russell Brand looks to be playing Fred Mumford in a Hollywood re-make of Rentaghost

(and sadly I ain't making this shiz up)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/dec/09/russell-brand-rentaghost-r...

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Ricardo | 18 February 2011 - 4:51am

"a name which sounds like a Removals firm from Hull."

As opposed to Everything But The Girl, who actually were named after a furniture firm from Hull.

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Kit Hogue | 18 February 2011 - 9:26am

It's a terrible

name isn't it? No band should have the word Mum in the title.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 18 February 2011 - 10:06am

They looked like Fiddlers Dram

Only without the tunes.

For me, they fall into the same shrug shoulders category as Turin Brakes, Travis and Fleet Foxes.

They obviously do something for a lot of people but leave me cold.

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Six Dog | 18 February 2011 - 11:21am
scrabopower | 18 February 2011 - 1:11am

that's a tad unfair

I don't remember the lead singer of Mumford And Sons describing swastikas as being "cool" - or them doing iffy cover versions of Deep Purple songs.

I don't pretend to be a massive Mumford fanboy, but Winter Winds is a wonderful song, which is at least one more than Hayley Mills' sprog's combo ever achieved.

(Razorlight on the other hand will always be both this and last decade's Kula Shaker for me)

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Ricardo | 18 February 2011 - 2:38am

To be fair......

and I really, really detested Kula Shaker....

Mills comments about the swastika were widely misreported. He was referring to the original Hindu symbol (everlasting peace) that the Nazi's inverted.

Plus the cover of Hush was the best thing they recorded. Not necessarily a compliment

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Six Dog | 18 February 2011 - 10:26am

Nazis

They didn't invert the hindu swastika - hindus display it both facing right and left - they just appropriated it. But yes, the reporting was poor.

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Fraser Lewry | 18 February 2011 - 10:31am

If only

Bowie had used that excuse at Victoria Station on 2 May 1976....

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mojoworking | 18 February 2011 - 10:56am

Surely

The Mumfords are this generation's Fairport Convention. Obviously the young 'uns would not be seen dead watching some old baldy blokes that their grandparents saw in the early seventies so they go for someone more trendy and more eleventies.

And don't call me Shirley...

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Beany | 18 February 2011 - 12:09pm

To be fair

I saw Mumford and sons by accident whilst waiting for johnny Flynn to come on at hard rock calling 2009. They were absolutely blisteringly good. This prompted me to see them at king tuts a couple of months later when they were even better.
They are suffering the problem of overexposure I reckon. You can't turn on the telly without hearing them.

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kev147 | 19 February 2011 - 10:18am

And that is why...

...I listen to the Word podcast but no longer bother with a certain film review podcast.

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Lucas Hare | 18 February 2011 - 2:04am

So then..The Tudors?

Anyone else check to see if there was a band called that? There is..and a few more hits on their myspace will get 'em scratching their heads tomorrow. Personally, I think they're only in it for the lute and they probably play headless guitars.

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stuart robin | 18 February 2011 - 2:55am

The King's Speech

I can see exactly why The King's Speech is garnering so much praise.

It's incredibly well acted by the 3 main protagonists and it's also beautifully filmed with what I imagine to be great accuracy. Everything you could want from a film, in fact (save for action scenes and lots of things exploding expensively).

I understand why DH compared it to a stage play, but one could level the same criticism at many other fine movies - virtually all the Mike Leigh films, for example.

The Social Network on the other hand I didn't like at all. Sorry if this appears xenophobic, but to me there's something really alien and unattractive about American university life that I simply can't relate to.

Virtually all the characters seemed like such over-privileged, over-confident, well-scrubbed nerds that I found the movie virtually unwatchable.

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mojoworking | 18 February 2011 - 6:48am

I wish 'Happy-Go-Lucky' had been a stage play...

Then I could have booked a front row seat and shouted "BOOOOO!" throughout the entire perfrormance.

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Patrick Crowther | 18 February 2011 - 7:19am

Ho Ho

Good old Poppy. Didn't you just want to slap her!

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mojoworking | 18 February 2011 - 7:58am

Dear David,

There's a good reason why The King's Speech seems like a three-person stage play; namely, because it was adapted for screen from a three-person stage play.

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Kit Hogue | 18 February 2011 - 9:29am

Marvelous podcast as always

but... a bit odd for two good music journalists, who’ve had good careers out of some (though not all) people taking their interest in music further than just, ‘that’s a good tune’, reducing film criticism to ‘is the story any good’. If nobody looked for more from their music criticism than that, then Word wouldn’t exist. Admittedly, in film whether or not a story is any good is fairly fundamental – but there is much more to be got out of cinema than that – the fact that a third act falls flat and why, who directs, its route to the screen, even who produced it can be bloody fascinating, can add endless layers of enjoyment/interest to the watching of a film, to following a career – if you’re that way inclined...

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Madrid | 18 February 2011 - 11:07am

Download speed

To pick up on a comment by Gatz above: why is the podcast taking so long to download?

55 mins last night, longer than the actual listening time.

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LuxExterior | 18 February 2011 - 11:37am

I've no idea

I've tried to replicate this issues several times, but I can't. Just tried again, and it downloaded in 24 seconds.

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Fraser Lewry | 18 February 2011 - 11:46am

For some strange reason

I download the podcast both at home AND at work.

After reading this thread I timed it:

15 mins to download at home

2 mins to download at work

Clearly I have a much faster broadband connection at work.

Conclusion: there's nothing wrong with the Podcast server, it's all down to the individual downloader and the speed of their connection (probably).

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mojoworking | 18 February 2011 - 11:56am

Nope

It's only The Word podcast which is affected.

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Gatz | 18 February 2011 - 12:22pm

Not timed this one, but

usually at least 15 minutes onto my laptop at home however only a couple of minutes onto my ipod touch - both using the same wi-fi network. Huh?

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geedubyapee | 18 February 2011 - 1:52pm

Weird

I don't have the world's fastest broadband speed but it's taking 10x longer to download your esteemed podcast than others of equivalent size.

I've even tried switching the internet off and on again...

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LuxExterior | 18 February 2011 - 7:21pm

HA!

That's why I lost my connection. You switched the internet off...

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Beany | 18 February 2011 - 7:37pm

Different browser?

No problem with the download speed at my own flat, but if I'm back at my parents place with the same laptop the internet absolutely crawls (and all downloads take an age). However, recently tried it using a different browser (firefox rather than safari) and things seem to have sped up a bit generally. Don't know if that would help at all.

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JustinQuirk | 23 February 2011 - 7:52pm

british diffidence on stage

Support acts often don't tell you who they are. I was at a small gig at the Lexington in London a couple of weeks ago, when the support acts could reasonably have expected that the majority of the audience wouldn't know who they were: the first support only said who they were when someone in the audience shouted them to do so, and the second support never said who they were (though they did mention the headliners twice).

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another Iain | 18 February 2011 - 3:37pm

Tried the M&S album

Don't care where they went to school, but I just found them a trifle earnest. If they and Dylan had plugged in at the Grammys and done the electric Maggie's Farm, then...

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Lucas Hare | 19 February 2011 - 10:43am

XTC & Todd Rundgren

Mark I feel I must pick you up on one statement the XTC album with Todd Skylarking is in my opinion is rather good. I know they didn't get on but what a record.

Sorry to disagree do keep up the good work.

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ChipDale | 19 February 2011 - 1:06pm

I believe they didn't get on at the time

to put it mildly, but Andy has since acknowledged what everyone's been telling him for years that it's actually one of the best XTC albums.

A rare trigger for pedant notification in the generally anally accurate Word podcast, really enjoyed this one as I always do.

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Mousey | 20 February 2011 - 3:07am

Release Window and New Paul Simon album

I found the discussion about the release window very informative. I also thought I'd give the new Paul Simon album a blast after the rave review. According to his website it's 'Coming Spring 2011'

Something else I discovered during my research... www.paulsimon.co.uk have a blue cross sale right across their store. Handy if you're after a beddingy curtainsy blindsy sofas type bargain.

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tkdmart | 20 February 2011 - 12:18pm

I got an email from Paul Simon last week

The song "The Afterlife" from the new album is being streamed here -

http://stereogum.com/632822/paul-simon-the-afterlife-stereogum-premiere/...

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bigsteviecook | 20 February 2011 - 1:13pm

Mumford & Sons

Antipathy among the Massive towards this band can be explained by the subject matter of their popular album which was actually a homage to Simon Cowell following his lamented departure from American Idol- 'Si, No More'.

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Sven Garlic | 20 February 2011 - 8:38pm

Reggae Britannia - wot no Eddy Grant?

I really enjoyed the Reggae Britannia documentary on Channel 4 but one thing bugged me a little bit, and that was the complete lack of any mention of Eddy Grant. Surely he deserved better?

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Nick White | 21 February 2011 - 12:11pm

Absolutely....

Don't recall The Equals getting a mention either and they were part of the wave with Dave and Ansell Collins, Desmond Dekker and the Harry J Allstars.

Strange one that. For such a meticulously researched programme (I love Don Letts as a speaking head) seems a strange omission

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Six Dog | 21 February 2011 - 12:25pm

The Beat

weren't mentioned either, I think they were a great group, much overlooked when looking back at the whole ska / 2 tone era.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 25 February 2011 - 2:52pm

Side 2 Of Beach Boys Today!

is a thing of beauty.

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Pat Carty | 21 February 2011 - 4:33pm
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