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Word Podcast 159: In praise of Keith Moon and proper spelling

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ImageWe - that's Mark Ellen, David Hepworth and Fraser Lewry - have been watching Iron Maiden: Flight 666 on the BBC iPlayer and marvelling at Bruce Dickinson's energy, answering your questions, arguing about class and pop, trying to come up with the right answers in Production Editor "Seventies" Mike Johnson's (right) fiendishly difficult rock and roll spelling test and admiring the drumming genius of Keith Moon.

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I hope you take in to acount that the copyright situation outside the UK is a different one. So most of the times I follow a link to the iPlayer or Youtube I get to read "Not available in your area" wich make the newletter only half fun to read.

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Hans-Henning | 28 January 2011 - 8:46pm

It's a problem

But there's not much we can do about it - there's no way of telling which countries might be affected by restrictions attached to any particular video. It's the same here as well - we can't watch plenty of US videos that might in turn be available to other readers.

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Fraser Lewry | 28 January 2011 - 9:00pm

Crowther, get to the back of the class...

3/10. Poor. Disastrous, in fact. I got the American funk metal band one, the metal band one and the last one right.

Great stuff... thanks as ever.

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Patrick Crowther | 28 January 2011 - 9:04pm

Probably the greatest podcast

since the last one.

Two things I completely agree with.

Flight 666 - nice film, shame about the music.

The underestimated importance of the quality of the rhythm section in the best music - that it needs to be varied and creative. And what was said about Ringo and his brilliance.

Here's that clip:

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Sven Garlic | 28 January 2011 - 10:03pm

Ringo

Thanks for posting that clip Sven. I think it is an excellent example of just how good a drummer he was, & how important he was to the Beatles.

Very underrated IMHO.

Superb drummer.

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jackthebiscuit | 30 January 2011 - 11:09pm

The Scorpions - The Zoo

A very inspiring podcast which brought back memories of head banging to this back in 1980. Great talkbox effect on the solo.

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rocker43 | 28 January 2011 - 10:59pm

Great stuff, as usual

Pedants, I'm told, maintain that it's Scarlett Johansson - with a hard, Americanised J. As in 'Scorsese' pronounced 'Scorsezzy' and a guy from Chicago I met once with the surname DuBois, which he insisted was pronounced 'Dooboyz'...

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Lucas Hare | 29 January 2011 - 10:47am

I blame the Mob, me

The Lucchese and Genovese families are generally pronounced "loo cheese" and "JEN-a-veez" rather than "loo-KEH-zeh" and "jen-o-VEH-zeh".

I think playground peer pressure has a lot to do with this. People get it wrong so often when you're a kid that you give up correcting them, and within a single generation the original "correct" pronunciation has gone and local conventions apply.

My own actual surname is a common English one, but it's pronounced differently by most Spaniards. Guess how my kids (born in Spain) are already pronouncing it themselves, aged 6?

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Archie Valparaiso | 29 January 2011 - 12:37pm

Vapouriser?

getting coat...

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Baskerville Old Face | 29 January 2011 - 7:34pm

The really hard ones are the easy ones

I actually find the ones like "Morissette" and "Johansson" quite easy - if I don't know for absolute-rock-solid sure that I know how to spell it, I look it up, after which I probably will remember it in the future.

No, the ones that get me are the very common forenames and surnames with alternative spellings.

Which is which?

PHILIP(S) or PHILLIP(S): Michelle/Prince [...](the Duke of Edinburgh)/Dutch record company/Leslie

-BURG- or -BERG-: Big Ben Roethlis[...]er plays for the Pitts[...] Steelers, Carls[...] lager, Nurem[...] rallies

BRIAN or BRYAN: May, Wilson, Jones, Ferry, Clough, Adams.

HILDA or HYLDA: Ogden, Baker, Margaret [...] Thatcher

and the real bastard:

STEVEN(S)(ON) or STEPHEN(S)(ON): Hawking, Fry, Shakin', Patrick Morrissey, the Rocket's inventor, Pamela, Robert Louis, King, Spielberg, Tyler, Frears, Neal the cyberpunk author*, Berkoff.

And that's without even starting on "Ia(i)n", "Al(l)(a/e)n)" and quite a few others.

(*I can remember it's not "Neil", but the surname? Not a clue.)

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Archie Valparaiso | 29 January 2011 - 12:25pm

how about

thomson and thompson..

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Chris G | 29 January 2011 - 8:38pm

Re. the Living Colour question

Many years ago I did a phoner with their notoriously grumpy frontman Corey Glover and I put that very question to him.

"Why do you spell the name of your band the British way?" I asked in all innocence.

"Because that's the correct way to spell 'colour'" he hissed.

I didn't have much more luck when I asked (in reference to LC's virtuoso guitarist Vernon Reid) why he thought we didn't see more black rock guitarists in the style of Jimi Hendrix. "There are many black rock guitarists" he snapped. "You just don't know about them!"

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mojoworking | 29 January 2011 - 12:28pm

Sounds like a right

grump!

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Mr Fade | 30 January 2011 - 10:59pm

Keith Moon

I asked a drummer friend of mine, "Apart from the drumming, what's so good about The Who?", and he replied, "The drumming."

I'm glad The New Yorker isn't owned by a foreign multi-national. Or maybe we have a twinning arrangement where they rave about our articles on their podcast?

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peterafifer | 29 January 2011 - 12:52pm

Get back in the

knife drawer young man!

What else was good about the Who?

All them songs what Pete wrote, perhaps?

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mojoworking | 29 January 2011 - 1:07pm

the bass

and Rogers wailing and stage presence, oh behave!

It's The Feckin' 'Oo!

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James Blast | 31 January 2011 - 10:08pm

a bloke who sits behind a drumkit

as one of the above just a simple thanks .

John Lennon does deserve a slap for that off the cuff jibe which has hung , undeservedly around Ringo's neck ever since .

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Danmac | 29 January 2011 - 8:00pm

John Lennon's other great clanger:

"Elvis died when he went into the army". No he didn't. He died about eight or nine years after he came back, on fire, with the greatest music of his life.

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Lucas Hare | 29 January 2011 - 11:37pm

Well, I love Pentangle!

So there.

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Specs_Beard | 30 January 2011 - 12:07am

Coming Home

There's a song on Iron Maiden's latest album called Coming Home which is inspired by Bruce's experiences of flying one of those big passenger jets around the world.

Any other rock band who writes a song about a private jet is either telling you, the listener, that they've made enough money to afford this level of luxury, or is about to embark on some sordid tale of mile-high groupie action.

Coming Home is Bruce trying to put across his love of flying, which he elevates to the level of poetry:- "Stretched the fingers of my hand, covered countries with my span, Just a lonely satellite, speck of dust and cosmic sand."

I think it's a shame that with metal bands, and Iron Maiden in particular, once you get past a certain age, you're looked down on in certain quarters if you say: 'These songs meaning something to me - they move me.'

Metal is often regarded as being the province of the teenager and unsophisticated by association. If the Irons had gone down a different path and recorded their lyrics as folk songs, rather than theatrical metal, they would be a lot poorer financially, but more highly regarded as songwriters.

As it stands they are one of the great British bands. I was never happier than last year, walking along a deserted corridor of a snowed-in Southend hospital, taking advantage of the echoey acoustics to bellow the chorus to Powerslave.

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backwards7 | 30 January 2011 - 3:59pm

Spot on

Metal and rock bands are often on the receiving end of a lot of snobbery. Steve Harris seems a genuine, self-efacing guy, quite shy.

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fortuneight | 31 January 2011 - 8:08pm

UFO and Megadeth

that's all I've got to say.

oh and -

G'night Cleveland!

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James Blast | 31 January 2011 - 10:30pm

Maiden's links to the past...

Great podcast and good to see my beloved Maiden being shown some appreciation. I interviewed them on tour for a well known left-leaning broadsheet a couple of years back and some points (from memory, so a bit jumbled)...
1) I think they *do* have links to older music, but they're quite well hidden. I noticed on the first night I saw them that even on songs I didn't know, you could follow the tune by the end of the first chorus - much like when you listen to hymns or old folk songs and they have that 'circular' quality. I asked Steve Harris if that sort of stuff had at all been an influence and he said it had, particularly English folk and Jethro Tull and he'd originally been interested to see if you could put those kind of structures onto metal. Other main influences he mentioned: Thin Lizzy's twin guitar sound and Wishbone Ash.
2) I've never seen a band work so hard, shrink huge venues down so much, or just appear to enjoy playing quite so much. Case in point - Steve Harris is inevitably bellowing along, word for word with every song when they play. He doesn't have a microphone, he just still obviously really loves those songs that he wrote over the last 30 years and loves yelling along to them like a fan. Bruce Dickinson was really interesting about using old vaudeville techniques from pre-amplification to bring the crowd in. Absolutely consumate stagecraft.
3) Their kids did all seem incredibly well brought up, polite and well mannered.

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JustinQuirk | 30 January 2011 - 11:26pm

Iron Maiden...

... the third band I ever saw. Edinburgh Playhouse, 1989, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son tour. They will always occupy a place in my heart.

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ganglesprocket | 30 January 2011 - 11:36pm

"a place in my heart..."

...of Mid Lothian, obviously?

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Colin H | 31 January 2011 - 12:02am

Iron Maiden

I've come late to Iron maiden but love their stuff. I thought the '666' documentary was excellent. What a great bunch of blokes!

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Baskerville Old Face | 31 January 2011 - 12:59pm

A great bunch of blokes indeed

I've interviewed Maiden's Janick Gers and Dave Murray and they were some of the nicest, most humble blokes you could ever wish to meet. An absolute delight, in fact.

You might not get the same macho, metal-tastic quotes out of them as you do the American rock bands, but you don't have to put up with the tide of hubristic bullshit, either.

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mojoworking | 3 February 2011 - 11:42pm

This Iron Maiden

also gave permission to the long defunct Iron Maiden from Bolton to release a couple of CDs for a cancer charity, providing they were released under the name "The Bolton Iron Maiden". In the early 1970's they were Bolton's best known rock band but split up when the guitarist succumbed to the dreaded disease. Some of the tracks were studio recordings not previously released. The current Iron Maiden have given publicity to this venture both on their website and on radio interviews. How many current groups would do that?

http://open.spotify.com/album/7qUrN5NVMLlF4Mr5CIZRla

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Beany | 31 January 2011 - 1:30pm

I too have met...

...a Maiden - Bruce. And he was indeed a very nice bloke. It was a few years back, mid semi-sabbatical, and I recall his memorable, bemused, observation that 'It's funny - the less we do, the bigger we get.'

A shame I just don't care much for the music...

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Colin H | 31 January 2011 - 7:54pm

the who at young vic

the extra disc on the deluxe live at leeds

Partners absent, a mate and I consumed mountains of booze and turned the thing up to 11.

The band were going at it full tilt. At one stage he said "listen, it's like a car careering nearly out of control, then they haul it back in onto the road just at the last moment".

It's always stuck with me that description and the podcast reminded me of it.

thanks gents.

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Junior Wells | 31 January 2011 - 10:39pm

Strongly agree

that's a good 'un!

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James Blast | 31 January 2011 - 10:43pm

I recall Pete Townshend saying and I'm paraphrasing here...

"I would write all these amazing sensitive spiritual songs but then I would have to hand them over to this fucking war machine".

And that for me is why, amongst numerous other reasons, I love The Who.

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Blue Sky | 1 February 2011 - 11:23am

you forgot

The Spizzles

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James Blast | 3 February 2011 - 6:12pm

The egg v pineapple

moment is why I love the podcast.

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uproar13 | 5 February 2011 - 10:51pm

Surely I can't be the first person...

...to think that that was Hank Marvin pictured above, on first glance.

Seventies Johnson? Sixties, more like...

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Cadabra | 9 February 2011 - 10:27pm

Nah!

Neil Morrissey innit.

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Beany | 9 February 2011 - 11:04pm

rockumentaries (assorted)

Thought 666 was great (thanks to the podcast for that recommendation) I watched the 'Lemmy' dvd last night. And was - more than anything else - astonished at how bloody good his skin is. All his contemporaries looked thoroughly dug up. Doubt he'd have much truck with make-up for the cameras and, as a woman, I know just how little headway Max Factor could make on a gasper and JD diet for the best part of thirty years.
Must be the fun that does it.

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theweemo | 10 February 2011 - 11:53am
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