word editor in song mention?

Have just been listening to shuffle and up popped "clean steve" by robin hitchcock where he mentions going round to mark ellens house and talking to marks wife clare about some gigs she'd seen.

Is this our mark?

and made me think that unlike novels where real people are often characters,I can't think of many (any at this moment apart from "terry and julie") songs where real people feature. Any suggestions?

I wanna be Bob Dylan

while Mr Jones wants to be someone a little more funky.....
Counting Crows finest 5 minutes.

Retropath2 | 22 May 2008 - 10:57am

There's something about that song.

I love hearing it, and it seems to get played in all sorts of incongrous places, and to be enjoyed by people who know nothing else of theirs. Somehow they conjured up a tangible thread of joy that runs right through that song. Marvellous.

Vulpes Vulpes | 22 May 2008 - 1:26pm

There's a veritable who's who

of historical characters scattered through loads of Al Stewart songs.
Amy Johnson, Peter Lorre, Stalin, Humphrey Bogart, Warren Harding, Christine Keeler, Lord Grenville, they all get a mention, if not a whole song. Al ought to be on the GCSE History syllabus.

Vulpes Vulpes | 22 May 2008 - 10:58am

Rickie Lee Jones reported on. . .

the romantic status of this gentleman:

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Archie Valparaiso | 22 May 2008 - 11:42am

tom waits was often to

tom waits was often to mention him too.

Doug B | 22 May 2008 - 3:52pm

O yes, Mr Cole...

O level eng lit alert, and weeks of watching Film 81 with Barry Norman. His songs are chocka with references to all manner of New York slebs of years gone by: an imagination in B movie black and white, methinks.

Retropath2 | 22 May 2008 - 11:51am

More Dylan: Sara

"I can still hear the sounds of those Methodist bells,
I'd taken the cure and had just gotten through,
Stayin' up for days in the Chelsea Hotel,
Writin' "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" for you."

This has to be the ultimate, to reference both your ex-wife and your previous outpourings thereto in the same song.
Genius!

Retropath2 | 22 May 2008 - 11:53am

Lester Bangs wasn't impressed

"If he really did spend days on end sitting up in the Chelsea sweating over lines like 'your streetcar visions which you place on the grass,' then he is stupider than we ever gave him credit for."

Naughty, Les. Naughty.

Archie Valparaiso | 22 May 2008 - 12:05pm

John Kettley

is the weatherman and so is Michael Fish.
Who did that?

Paul | 22 May 2008 - 12:00pm

That will be

yer actual Tribe Of Toffs

Riccardo Gargiulo | 22 May 2008 - 12:37pm

I once teched for them at a variety show they appeared in...

...as part of a national Methodist Association of Youth Clubs event in London about 6 months before the aforementioned one-hit-wonder stormed the charts.

The show also included me taking to the stage dressed in a chicken suit as the punch line to the intro... "And now live on the stage we'd like to present some poetry... [enter stage left dressed a a chicken] No! I said "POETRY", not "POULTRY"!!! [exit disconsolately stage right]".

Oh the shame!

Trevor_Raggatt | 26 May 2008 - 5:10pm

Tribute bands, highwaymen and Gene Pitney

Dave Graney ‘n' the Coral Snakes - Morrison Floorshow

"Well I woke up this morning
and I dusted my beer
the future is certain
The Australian Doors show I fear
Oh times are tough and a job is hard to find
Oh we go to get together
We got to get together
Oh when the music's over
When the music's over
Morrison floorshow
Wilderness of pain."

Babyshambles - Un Bilo Titled

"Wolfman and Bilo on the run
Wolfman said to Bilo "I'm calling it on""

Wolfman wrote For Lovers which was a solo hit for Pete Doherty a few years ago. Bilo is apparently one of Doherty's alter egos.

Chris and Carla - Velvet Fog

"Nirvana's on the jukebox
but Gene Pitney
owns this town
And it's a town without pity…"

Katy Carr - Turpin

"Travelling to the Spaniards Inn
then I'll meet Dick Turpin."

The Handsome Family - Amelia Earhart vs. the Dancing Bear

"Amelia,
Amelia Earhart, after her plane was torn apart
and bursting through the trees
She remembered picking lemons
with William Randolph Hearst
and how a spinning plane propeller
turned liquid in the sun."

The Sweet - Ballroom Blitz

"And the man in the back said everyone attack
And it turned into a ballroom blitz
And the girl in the corner said boy I want to warn you
It'll turn into a ballroom blitz.

The girl in the corner is a resident of Westcliff-On-Sea, not far from where I live. In January a short interview with her appeared in the local newspaper, The Evening Echo:

"...I was charged with being an accessory to a ballroom blitz and held on remand at Holloway prison. At the trial I testified that I had attempted to alert Brian Connolly (Sweet vocalist and star witness) that things were about to kick off. However in his witness statement Connolly claimed that, by the time I shouted my warning, the man in the back had already given the orders to attack and the ballroom blitz was in full swing. I was sentenced to five years in prison and banned for life from all ballrooms in Great Britain and its outlying colonies. In 2007 I failed to have this ruling overturned by the House of Lords. I am currently attempting to get the case referred to the European Court of Human Rights."

backwards7 | 22 May 2008 - 12:28pm

Snorts with laughter.

Excellent, backwards.

Now how does one remove Tangy Cheese Dorito shards from one's laptop keyboard, pray?

Vulpes Vulpes | 22 May 2008 - 1:19pm

OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD

Levi Stubbs tears-Billy Bragg
Glenn Tipton-Sun Kil Moon
The day Hank Williams came to Town-Johnny Cash
Are you sure Hank done it this way-Waylon Jennings
Elvis Presley Blues -Gillian Welch.
When Smokey Sings-ABC
I'm at work so expect more during the day.

paul beard | 22 May 2008 - 12:31pm

There are a lot of them about

'Day In The Life' - 'he blew his mind out in a car/he didn't notice that the lights had changed'. This refers to Tara Browne who crashed his car and died after going through red light.

Teardrop Explodes - 'Reward': 'Death in solitude like Howard Hughes'

Less familiar - Destroy All Monsters - 'November 22 1963', well the clue's in the title. Niagara sings about Jackie holding JFK's brains, rather insensitively.

David Bowie - 'Andy Warhol' and 'Song for Bob Dylan'

Smiths - 'William It Was Really Nothing' - supposedly about Billy Mackenzie.

'Shine On You Crazy Diamond'

Dylan 'Hurricane' about the boxer Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter.

REM 'Exhuming McCarthy', also 'Lightin' Hopkins' from same album 'Document'.

Sven | 22 May 2008 - 12:43pm

William and Stephen

'William It Was Really Nothing' was, of course, responded to by Billy Mac with 'Stephen, It Was Really something'

Van does this a lot as well - witness 'Rave On, John Donne' and 'Jacky Wilson Said', among others.

And the Spands 'listened to Marvin all night long...' of course.

Paul Waring | 22 May 2008 - 1:27pm

A*** C*** recorded a...

...nine track concept EP titled Howard Wulkan is Bald which, as the title suggests, celebrates the baldness of Howard Wulkan - an employee at Earache records. The EP, which lasts just under 7 and a half minutes, includes such classics as A Conversation With Howard Wulkan and Howard Wulkan is Bald (Acoustic & Jazz Versions).

In spite of being recorded in 1995, it was not until six years later, in 2001, that 53 copies of Howard Wulkan is Bald were made available for purchase.

backwards7 | 22 May 2008 - 12:49pm

Life on Mars by D. Bowie

It's on America's tortured brow
That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow.
Now the workers have struck for fame
'Cause Lennon's on sale again.

Richieboy | 22 May 2008 - 1:07pm

Good old David,

always coming up with articulate, incisive, meaningful social comment.

Vulpes Vulpes | 22 May 2008 - 1:22pm

Isn't it "Lenin"

rather than "Lennon"? I always presumed so but I don't know for sure.

Richard Lowe | 22 May 2008 - 3:18pm

thats a really intersting one....

because that was written 3 or 4 years before bowie and lennon wrote "fame" together

yet the song mentions workers striking for "fame" cos lennons on sale again

did bowie and lennon write the song "fame" as a reference to the earlier song? or did bowie really have a time machine?

dolly | 22 May 2008 - 1:21pm

Completely off-topic, but...

...what about self-reference in songs?

Off the top of my head, I can think of:

Phil Oakey/Human League in Love Action - "but this is Phil talking, I wanna tell you..."

Martin Fry/ABC in The Look of Love - "they say 'Martin, one day you'll find true love'..."

Alice Cooper in Be My Lover - "They told me that the singer's name was Alice..."

Plus, of course, the entire recorded output of Bo Diddley.

any more for any more?

Paul Waring | 22 May 2008 - 1:33pm

i thought you loved me but now it seems you dont care..

I care enough to know I can never love you...

Queue (synthetic) drums & poison arrow through me heart. What great songs.

dolly | 22 May 2008 - 1:36pm

The Fall - The Reckoning

"And you're sleeping with some hippie half-wit
who thinks he's Mr. Mark Smith."

backwards7 | 23 May 2008 - 4:58pm

Bowie again

Same old thing in brand new drag
Comes sweeping into view, oh ho ho ho ho ho
As ugly as a teenage millionaire
Pretending it's a whizz kid world
You'll take me aside, and say
"Well, David, what shall I do?
They wait for me in the hallway"
I'll say "Don't ask me, I don't know any hallways"
But they move in numbers and they've got me in a corner
I feel like a group of one, no-no
They can't do this to me
I'm not some piece of teenage wildlife

Richieboy | 22 May 2008 - 1:35pm

Did Bowie have a time machine?

Ok, so which way was he going?

(Oh and before I forget, what stannous metal was it made from? BOOM BOOM)

Retropath2 | 22 May 2008 - 1:36pm

Surely

you mean clink, clink?

Richieboy | 22 May 2008 - 1:53pm

Talkin' New Bob Dylan

Wonderful song written by Loudon Wainwright III to celebrate His Bobness reaching the big 5-0. From the first verse we have:

Yeah, you were hipper than Mitch Miller,
And Johnny Mathis, put together.

Then a bit later:

The labels were signin' up guys with guitars, Out to make millions, lookin' for stars.
Well, I figured it was time to make my move --
Songs from the West Chester County Delta country.

Yeah, I got a deal , and so did John Prine, Steve Forbert and Springsteen, all in a line.
They were lookin' for you, signin' up others,
We were "new Bob Dylans" -- your dumb-ass kid brothers.

Azeem | 22 May 2008 - 2:16pm

So let's get this straight

Robyn Hitchcock not only goes round to Mark Ellen's house while he's at work to chat up his wife with the old "seen any good gigs lately?" line, but he brazenly admits it in song. These rock stars are shameless and incorrigible.

Richard Lowe | 22 May 2008 - 3:23pm

Solid Air

John Martyn's song to Nick Drake
Lennon's McCartney baiting "How Do You Sleep"
Dylan's "Positively 4th Street" supposedly written with Phil Ochs in mind, boy he must have really disliked him.
The self centred Grandmaster Flash adressing himself "Grandmaster talk faster" on "Wheels of Steel".
Blondie praising the vitues of 'G-flash " on "Rapture" In fact there are quite a few rappers who are either extolling the virtues of fellow rappers or threatening to shoot them.

bingham | 22 May 2008 - 7:14pm

Dang Dang Dang - Dang Dang Da - Dang !!!!

We all came out to Montreux
On the Lake Geneva shoreline
To make records with a mobile
We didn't have much time
Frank Zappa and the Mothers
Were at the best place around
But some stupid with a flare gun
Burned the place to the ground
Smoke on the water, a fire in the sky, smoke on the water

Can't believe I just did that.

roylevy | 22 May 2008 - 6:56pm

Don't forget...

Funky Claude running in and out.

johnsey | 23 May 2008 - 12:24pm

Johnny Mathis's Feet

by American Music Club, fabulous!!1

bingham | 22 May 2008 - 7:16pm

Obligatory RT mention

Al Bowlly's in Heaven.

Allegedly Carter USM's Sheriff Fatman is a real person, real name not mentioned for fear of all too likely reprisals. Paul Simon was always at it - all those Cathys and Cecilias, and of course there's Sharona, now an estate agent in California and not property of that bloke out of The Knack any more. Oh, and Kayleigh by Fish out of Marillion.

skirky | 22 May 2008 - 8:53pm

Is he listening?

The greatest self referral has to be the esteemed Mr Osterburg on the Lust For life album; on `Turn Blue` I think. "Jesus? This is Iggy". The prodigal prays for redemption for his girlfriend who has, and you may be ahead of me here, turned blue.

Kevin Rowland loved talking about himself (and why shouldn`t he? He is a massive talent. Cracked, but nonetheless a massive talent) from Liars A to E (poor old Kevin will be alright) to Kevin Rowland`s 13th Time (opens with `my name is Kevin Rowland` and mentions PC Barrington, a real coppah)

whereupon we could go on a Dexys tip...Bill Withers, Geno,Van Morrison (on Reminisce part One...hilarious..also includes Brendan Behan...again), but props to T-Rex, mentioned in `Kool In The Kaftan` by BA Robertson, `You Better You Bet` by The Who and `All The Young Dudes` and also numerous T Rex songs.

Simon Smith | 23 May 2008 - 2:59pm

Hey nineteen.....

thats 'Retha Franklin, you dont remember the queen of soul?

Plainsongs masterpiece in search of Amelia Earhart has at least 2 songs namechecking her.

then of course there is Ian Dury with Reasons to be cheerful and Sweet Gene Vincent.

Steve Turner | 25 May 2008 - 10:20am

Heather Nova

did a song to her on her Redbird album... "I Miss My Sky (Amelia Earhart's Last Days)"

James Taylor's done a load of namechecks too... his nephew, Sweet Baby James.

John Belushi
"John's gone found dead he dies high he's brown bread
Later said to have drowned in his bed
After the laughter the wave of the dread
It hits us like a ton of lead"

He's done Richard Nixon and Sun Myung Moon (doing a mass wedding)

"I remember Richard Nixon back in '74
And the final scene at the White House door
And the staff lined up to say good-bye
Tiny tear in his shifty little eye"

"Yeah, big moon landing
People all standing up
Smiles for the loved ones
They go walking on down the aisles
Each re-engages stepping into the sun
I watch them turn like pages
One by one by one"

Suzanne Schnerr's death and the demise of his "Flying Machine" band (in pieces on the ground) in Fire and Rain... and weren't the "holy host of others gathered round me" supposed to be the Beatles.

And let's just throw in Don McLean's Vincent (and the speculation on the veiled meanings of the American Pie lyrics too)!!

Trevor_Raggatt | 26 May 2008 - 5:32pm

There's always a HMHB comment

From a wide selection of refrences, my favourite is "I'm off to see the Bootleg Beatles, as the Bootleg Mark Chapman".

Other references of course include Nerys Hughes, Dicke Davies, Dean Friedman, Ted Moult, Fred Titmus, Rod Hull, Bob Todd, Jim Reeves and Len Ganley. And I think that's just the first CD.

paulwright | 27 May 2008 - 2:39pm

"Life was in a ruin...

........ she loved Johnny Fruin
Fall in love and blew em away."

B.A. Robertson's Bang, Bang featured a namecheck for then Managing Director of Warner Music in the UK, John Fruin. It also plugged Lord Nelson. the Marquis de Sade and a few others.

bo_doogley | 28 May 2008 - 3:01am

Unexpected one this...

You're suitably at one with your body
and the sun
yes
you are!
You've read Karl Marx and you've taught yourself to dance

From When Will I Be Famous by Bros

Richieboy | 28 May 2008 - 5:17pm