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Why England Are Rubbish.
I am so sick of people simplifying the reasons why the England football team play so badly and never get anywhere in major tournaments. I might even phone up 5 live! There are a mountain of reasons why our national football team is so shit. The following are in no particular order and there are probably loads more, each one contributing in a greater or lesser way to our nation's rubbish performance at national level.
Most PE teachers do not have clue about football. Hardly any have football as their first sport and a huge amount, even those coaching the school team don't teach basic skills. Seeing a set of cones out in a PE lessons is a rarity. The school team is picked to win. Size and speed matters. Kick and run works. Children that hold the ball and dribble are screamed at to pass. This win with shit tactics model runs through many Saturday and Sunday teams. You never hear a sideline comment like - "keep the ball, take on some players." It is always "get rid," "pass it." "Stop hogging the fucking ball!"
This Neanderthal approach means that skillful players have their spirits irreparably damaged. I wonder how much psychological damage is done when players such as Rooney at 6 years old are subjected to abuse and criticism from the sidelines of weekend games. I am sure this why so many of our players "choke" on the international stage, away from the support mechanisms of their clubs. When things go well, they are fine. When the anxiety and pressure build that "choking" psychology stifles their ability. No manager can undo what was done while the player grew up. Of course not all players suffer this but there are enough to screw up any England team.
Yes, but what about the past? Players didn't choke in 1966. No because I suspect the levels of abuse were not nearly so vicious when they played as children, and they spent hours and hours playing football away from adults. I, like millions of kids played with my mates on huge playing fields, for days at a time from dawn til dusk, cycling home for lunch and my tea. 28 a-side, one against one, one player against the defence. You don't see that now. There is lots of football in my local park but the "jumpers for goalposts games" are often young adult men but for children it is only adult organised training and matches that last no longer than 2 hours at a time.
Today millions of acres of playing fields have been sold off and the hugely over blown, media scare mongering about paedophilia stop parents allowing their children out of their sight - and who can blame them? Knife-crime, mugging, paedos... "There you go Timmy, take your iphone and iplayer, pocket video game thing and £100 replica strip and go and play football in the park for 8 hours with your mates. I'll see you at teatime." Hmmm, a lot has changed. My Leeds strip was enhanced by the sock tags and badge my granny made me.
Then there is our climate, although we are changing that at the moment I believe (every cloud). The English game is fast and physical. It suits the long winter months of playing in cold conditions. Racing about like nutters, punt and run - keeps us warm. Spending hours in the blazing sun learning close ball control skills in our back gardens or street, doesn't really happen; running around like maniacs does. This has to have some degree of impact on the way English born and bred players learn the game, compared to players that come from warmer climes.
Oh and then there is the people running our game. How many were high performing sportsmen and women? How many of them are analytical and bright? How many of them are driven by money and power and not by a love of the game? There is a mentality in England about sport, and especially football, that is hard to define but it is conservative and resistant to change. About 10 years ago I watched Man Utd warm up during the game at Wimbledon when Beckham scored that goal. I was with a mate who was a basketball coach in Ireland. We couldn't believe the way the players warmed up. Doing things, such as bouncing on hamstrings, that had been dismissed by most other sports as wrong 20 years earlier. How long did it take football managers, coaches to look at diets, when every other sports team in the World knew it was important. Or when were plyometrics introduced to improve explosive performance? I hate to think what other bollocks, left over from the 1940s, is still peddled as the way to do things. Yes it has got a lot better in the last 10 years at the professional level, but at Junior coaching, I wonder.
Think I am wrong about the reluctance to change. Where are the Asian players in our English leagues? I have seen immensely skilled Asian kids playing in our parks - so why aren't there many more on our teles. I know for a fact that some racist dinosaurs think they spend too much time praying or eat too much rice. A bit like black kids couldn't play because it was too cold. Many of the people running the game are just too stupid and narrow minded to sort things out.
Where are the academies across the country that nurture talent and develop high level skills a healthy mental attitude towards the game. How many kids give up at 13 when the realise they are not going to be a super rich media star. Our out of control celebrity obsession is not doing us any favours in all sorts of areas and not just sport. I am scared by the amount of kids that say they want to be famous -not I want to play music, or football, or paint etc -just famous. Our celebrity and consumer driven culture that results in kids thinking it is all about what you own and how many column inches you fill is more important than anything else is disastrous.
Chuck all the above in with our media's favourite past time of build 'em up and then knock 'em down. Too many matches, played in a style that is so physically demanding. Too many foreign players in the top teams (although I am not sure about that, but it may be a factor) and we are screwed.
I know things have been done to try to put some of this right but not nearly enough. Will they ever be sorted? Well maybe, but not in the next 10 years. Maybe twenty. Maybe sitting in a pram wearing nappies is a boy who will hold up the world cup for England again and we will all know his name. Come on England.
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I don't think...
... anyone is daft enough to christen their son 'Come On England.'
you cant beat the eloquence of the English
in bagging their representative sporting teams
or the prevalence?
Perhaps in having a football autopsy the devil is the detail itself?
Unfortunately many commentators seem only too succinct when praising good performance.
Probably a bad choice of analogy but "battered wife syndrome" springs to mind, although it is not always clear who is the 'wife' - the team or the fan!
The big reason you didn't mention
is that English players are finding it increasingly difficult to get a game at all. When Arsenal and Liverpool can field teams with not an Englishman present is it any wonder that that the England manager finds his choices a bit limited?
Funnily enough it's exactly the same reason that the Scottish team is so poor these days. 20 or 30 years ago most of the Scotland team played in England. Now, because of Bosman, English teams can get their players from all over the place, and there's hardly any place for Scots in the Man Utd or Liverpool line-ups, two teams which previously had a rich tradition of signing players from north of the border.
I really think England could be in for a similar spell in the wilderness to that currently being experienced by Scotland.
I don't think that's necessarily true
I've said it before, but 38% of Premiership minutes are currently played by Englishmen. That should be enough to find a decent-enough squad of 23 players, especially when you consider that they're playing against better players, week-in and week-out, than at any time previously. And England's qualification record for World Cups was worse pre-Bosman. Since the ruling, we've qualified for four tournaments in a row. Prior to 1995, we'd only qualified for three tournaments out of the previous six.
seeding
before or after we were 'seeded'?
seeding
More to the point, after qualification was expanded to 24, then 32 teams. If it were still limited to 16, as it was until 1978, England would've failed to qualify just as regularly (I'm guessing here, I haven't checked the facts). Since it was expanded to 24, we've only failed to qualify once (in 1994). Since it became 32, never.
You're quite right
I didn't take that into account at all. Or how seeding may have eased England's path to qualification.
When were England not in the wilderness?
They have been in 1 semi-final in a major tournament since 1966. They failed to qualify for the World Cup and the European Championships regularly long before there were any foreigners in the league.
England have always been crap at football apart from a 5 year period from 1965-1970. Even a team with Alf Ramsey, Billy Wright, Wilf Mannion, Tom Finney and Stan Mortensen lost to the USA in the 1950 World Cup.
A pedant writes...
England made the semi-finals of the 1968 European Championships, where they finished third.
That's perfectly true
Although Jed's wilderness claim regarding tournament football still probably stands: there were only four teams in the finals.
Have to disagree with you
on that one Fraser. 19 Premier league teams each with a squad of conservatively 25 players. What percentage are British? Well below 50 percent and shrinking. Limit the number of foreigners to say 4 per squad and 2 per playing team and that increases the number of British players which benefits the national teams of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It wont happen because Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and maybe Spurs are controlling the game and want the best foreign imports. The FA should tell them the game is bigger than individual clubs and force the issue. They wont because they are spineless and will not stand up to these teams and to Sky who have effectively driven a wedge between the elite and the also rans. I will give you a scenario that highlights the potential for abuse of the system at the highest level - Birmingham played liverpool in the Carling cup final at the Millennium stadium. The game goes into extra time. Birmingham were outplayed for much of the 90 minutes but scoring a late equaliser they go into extra time with the upper hand and forcing Liverpool onto the back foot. They are denied a stonewall penalty. Is that because the referee didnt see it? Cynics amongst us might think it is because Liverpool in Europe is a much better proposition and a far bigger opportunity to earn some extra revenue.
Big clubs make illegal approaches to the parents of promising youngsters barely out of school trousers offering all manner of inducements. The game is becoming increasingly more corrupt and the decisions in favour of the big clubs should be questioned much more vigorously. They dont care about the national team and until they do we are doomed. Do you think the Bundesliga has the same number of foreign imports? I think not.
You'd be surprised
46% of players in the Bundesliga are foreigners.
That's pretty much reflected
in the make up of the German national team too, isn't it?
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They're thick
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Our players are thick.
You can see this on the field as soon as they hit any form of adversity. The brows furrow, the panic sets in and the red mist descends. Anything that can't be solved by a mad cavalry charge is an insurmountable obstacle. I don't think this is anything to do with their educational background - though it's amazing that we used to have the odd footballer with a university education back in the days when university was an option for only 10% of the population rather than the near 50% of today. I don't think the average overseas player in the Premiership is much better educated than the average home-grown player but by going overseas he has shown his willingness to *learn*. He's learned a new way of playing the game, a language and in the case of outstanding examples a good deal more than that.
Try this: when did you last hear a top English player (or manager) say anything about something he's learned recently? And I'm not talking about the Public Sector Borrowing Requirement or the early life of Lady Gaga. I'm just talking about their trade. In fact they give the impression that they would really prefer not to think about any aspect of what they do on the pitch, for fear that this prevents them from doing it naturally. Listen to people like Alan Shearer, who is the fearful, conservative shop steward of the footballing establishment in this country, and all you'll hear is that Capello didn't understand what motivates the players and that consequently they wouldn't play for him. Now obviously Capello isn't going to please everyone and he's going to have trouble making himself understood but the implication that because he wasn't Bobby Robson or Michael Caine in Escape To Victory this bunch of players were somehow justified in withholding their best efforts takes one's breath away.
Last night Five Live had one of those "what's wrong with our game?" discussions. (They always have thes after tournaments. Why not have the next one before, boys?) Anyway, Chris Waddle and Terry Venables were the usual Ray Winstones, full of spluttering indignation and ancient score settling within the football establishment. Neither of them actually completed a sentence, which meant neither of them expressed a joined-up thought. It was left to Dietmar Hamman to speak better English and talk more sense than either of them.
Nail, meet head
I'm constantly astonished that no-one in the England team seems to have even the smallest amount of intelligence. With the possible exception of Peter Crouch, they all seem the kind of person I'd cross the street to avoid. Just by the law of averages, surely one of them should be able to string a coherent sentence together. Hey, I had a state school education, but I don't begin all my sentences, "at the end of the day".
Where's Graeme Le Saux when you need him? From what I remember, he was constantly referred to as "the clever one" when footballers were discussed. I think this meant he occasionally read books for pleasure.
It does seem as if England players have their natural gift, whether it be for dribbling, positioning, shooting or whatever, and never actually learn anything beyond that.
I think you could also add David James to the list
Of the last four England World Cup squads, only four players had fathers who'd had any amount of higher education: Crouch, James, Le Saux and Theo Walcott.
I'm not sure how important that actually is, though - basing criticism of a footballer's on-field performance on their lack of academic qualifications is like dismissing Einstein's contribution to science because he was a lousy dancer.
It's not academic qualifications
It's intelligence - they're not mutually exclusive but they are two different things.
Being good at dancing won't make you any better at science but being more intelligent could well make you better at football. Of course, it depends how you define intelligence and, indeed, how you're intelligent, but there are choices to be made in football; it's a tactical game.
Sure
I just assumed you meant "intelligence" in an academic way - language skills come from education, amongst other things.
Believe me
I know academic success and intelligence aren't always synonymous. I have a decent academic record, but often have less common sense than the average lab rat. I like to tell myself it's because my brain is thinking of problems so complex I can't even begin to consider such trifling matters as everyday life.
That's not the reason at all though. I'm just an idiot.
Robert Green can now be added can't he?
Isn't he the son of a doctor? Might well be wrong there.
Re: DH's point about a football education - the big beasts (Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Cole, Cole) would all have benefited in their football education by playing in Spain or Italy.
And if the story is true that Theo Walcott wasn't selected cos he couldn't cross reliably enough onto Crouch's head (when Arsene Wenger had drummed it into him for 4 years to play to feet), then he was probably glad he didn't go.
That story can't be true
given that Crouch got a paltry run out in one game.
It's Capello's English that was the problem
Whenever he went to say "Crouch" he said "Heskey" by mistake.
Graeme Le Saux v Ashley Cole
So Graeme Le Saux read books.
And Ashley Cole probably doesn't.
Who's the better left back, by any criteria you care to pick? Ashley Cole hands down. Football "intelligence" has nothing to do with being "book learnt" and articulate. Or "middle class", which seems to be the unspoken inference here.
I've just been on a footballer autobiography reading binge: Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, MacManaman. All pretty ill-educated, council estate-reared scallies. All, bar maybe Gerrard, razor sharp and, in Carragher's case, hugely knowledgeable about world football.
That wasn't how my comment was intended
I'd agree that Ashley Cole is a better player than Le Saux ever was, and I don't think reading War and Peace is a significant factor in that. However, having a bit of intelligence (or, more likely, not being thick) can only be a helpful thing, especially if that intelligence manifests itself in decision making or other skills useful for winning football matches. If you had two teams of equal footballing abilities but differing intelligence, I'd wager the intelligent ones would win. One of England's problems is the lack of a Plan B. While in some cases, "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again" is a decent mantra, it isn't when you're being clearly outplayed and out-thought by the opposition.
I also didn't mean it to come across as a class thing either. I haven't read any of the autobiographies you mention, so can't comment, but having a good football brain isn't restricted to the middle-classes. You're right that football intelligence isn't linked to being book-smart or articulate, but I'd argue it is linked to certain skills that intelligent people tend to have, be they problem-solving abilities or creative thinking.
Obviously, there are many ways to classify and quantify intelligence, which probably means there'll always be a way to argue against my point, which is fine. All I'm saying is it would help if one or two of them had something going on between the ears which, unfortunately, I don't think is the case at the moment.
Surely those autobiographies were ghost written and
structured to show their subjects in the best light?
British footballers are encouraged to remain *thick*
McManaman is a case in point.
He's a bright lad - a good proportion of the rest of the family were reared cheek-by-jowl with Stevie on council estates and all went on to university and good careers. There's no suggestion that he would not have done so if he hadn't been such an able footballer.*
He was able to away to Spain, learn the language and culture and his punditry now reflects the fact that he's a bright lad.
But while at Liverpool, stepping outside the perameters of accepted modes of dickhead behaviour (reading, drinking wine or watching the news) would have been ridiculed.
I reported on football for a couple of years and saw how young lads' intellectual development was deliberately arrested by British football's need for rigorous systems and top down leadership. (British football's insularity is at the root of its current tactical ineptitude and inability to adapt to an evolving game.)
'Eejitry' (What would I know, I'm stupid), constant teenage Tourettes (shouting nonsense and inappropriately exposing yourself while your mates giggle) and gobshitery ('What would you know, you never played the game) rule above all other traits and are encouraged.
In most instances you get underdeveloped lads who struggle when they leave the game and, in the worst instances (Gazza), football with its lack of support before, during or after playing ruins people.
This lack of intellectual development results in an inability to play in more than one style, discourages lads going over seas and broadening their horizons and fosters insularity.
A case in point: I remember someone asking Stan Ternent on 5Live why the Germans produce so many players and coaches and his response, to a giggling audience, was 'But who won the war?'
* In the modern era, which British footballer has been more successful terms of integration and honours overseas than McManaman?
Whasn't this the basic premise
of the book 'Why England Lose at Football'
I must admit I only read/heard a review of it (Word?) but as I recall the premise was that the method of recruitment of young footballers in England tended to exclude middle-class kids and as such was narrowing the pool of potential players unneccessarily.
Hope I remember it correctly..
Middle class kids
It's one point in one chapter of the book, the gist being that clubs have traditionally scouted in working class areas, and that the growth of the middle class has reduced the number of players they look at. Conversely, elsewhere in the book it's pointed out the kids from poorer backgrounds tend to do better in the game simply because they play more when they're young.
Footballing intelligence
is not innate but it can be taught; that's what coaches are for. And England has a woeful number of coaches compared to most continental countries. As someone mentioned below, most kids learning the game get taught two or three useful tactics that serve them well throughout their footballing careers - get stuck in, get rid of it, give it to the big man.
But what was most shocking / galling / upsetting / embarrassing about Sunday's game was the nature of the last two German goals. Ok, we should have been pressing for an equaliser, but with the majority of the second half still to play, why were so many players so far up the field leaving us so open to counter-attack? Particularly when we had already lost two goals through our lack of pace at the back? Absolutely no footballing intelligence on display - if our 'shielding' midfielder looses the ball on the edge of the opposition penalty area, why is there no other player taking his position? This is surely basic footballing sense? And yet we made the same mistake again and again and again.
But here is a perfect example of the combination of skill, confidence, intelligence and application that makes a team great. Into injury time in the semi-final of the Champion's League, facing elimination, and then you can do this:
Xavi, Alves, Messi, Iniesta - the patience and confidence of the players, plus their technical ability to perform when it matter most... can you imagine a similar move with Terry passing the ball to Johnson on the wing, who crosses it into the area, where Rooney picks up the loose ball and plays it to Gerrard, who lays off a perfectly weighted pass for Lampard to stroke into the back of the net?
Thought not.
Brilliant
but was the commentator shouting "Kaiserslautern!!!" repeatedly?
Pep hangs with Guus a few minutes earlier
Early release from sentences
Heavens, you've hit upon a bugbear of mine.
Any number of middle-ranking ex-player pundits are guilty of this, but Steve Claridge wears the crown for his inability to complete an entire sentence before veering off and chasing another thought that's suddenly occurred to him. Listen to him - he can typically take three or four attempts to get to a full stop.
Mind you, he's still better on 606 than Tim Lovejoy was.
Dietmar Hamman
is doing punditry for the World Cup on RTE and is excellent
I think you will find
that Terry Venables had a better World Cup record for England although I take your point that they are thick. I don't think we can ignore the issue of Foreign coaches for the national team. Let's be honest Capello's command of the English language is very poor. Okay my Italian is worse but I am not paid £6 million per year to get the best out of their squad. I dont see how as a nation we have allowed the situation where we are almost bereft of good English coaches with a passion for the game and a natural affinity with the players. Capello doesn't seem to possess the common touch and has an air of authoritarianism that wouldn't sit well with the likes of Rooney,Terry et al. Personally I think it is time to start again - make a decision on an English coach and stick with it and give the team some continuity. I would stick my neck out and suggest Stuart Pearce. Passionate, loved playing for England, tough but a mans man and did well with the England Youth set up. Media choice appears to be Redknapp but I think he is maybe too old now for the long term building that is required.
Terry Venables
Never managed England at a World Cup, nor in a World Cup qualifier.
Language skills aren't that important
Bobby Robson won the European Cup Winners Cup and Louis van Gaal won the Liga twice at Barcelona with Spanish that was even ropier than Capello's English.
They just had a keen young interpreter.
Oh.
"Language skills aren't that important"
Certainly weren't when Bob Paisley was managing Liverpool. Players couldn't understand much of what he said, but they seemed to get the gist.
Who didn't think this would happen?!
Somewhere on this site is my prediction for the tournament.
Last 16 with four goals scored.....I just can't believe I thought they'd score four!
First, the facts:
1. England have 'no' world class players.
2. The Beckham generation fail every single time.
The solution is exactly as it was in 2006 and 2008.
Ditch all (that's 'all') the celebs.
Give Ferguson, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool what they've always wanted anyway......namely, don't pick any of their precious players.
Draw up a list of the 80 next eligible players outside the 'Bore Four'.
Interview them all.
Ditch 40.
Interview them all again.
Pick 22 and tell them that eleven of them will be playing in 2008 and 2010.....unless, of course, they sign for Chelsea et al when, of course, they'd be immediately dropped.
In other words, get a team out there that doesn't 'expect' to be out there and England will have a chance.
Pick the same players yet again and you'll get the same result again (1998) and again (2000) and again (2002) and again (2004)......
Interesting
So go on. Name that team. (Obviously, it'll be a loss not having the Arsenal contingent.)
Non-"Big Four" XI
Hart
Warnock King Upson Baines
Barry Milner Cole Lennon
Defoe Crouch
That's off the top of my head...
NB: I'm allowed Joe Cole as he's about to leave Chelsea :)
That team would scare no-one
The concerning thing is that an alternative team to the one that most people (not just Capello) would select, is also not good enough. A team containing our promising youngsters - like Germany did - is just not up to scratch.
Rodwell, Johnson, Walcott, Wilshire, Hart, ermm... may well have come home in the group stage.
It's interesting...
That neither of you - or Capello, come to that - seem to rate the only English player to have seriously interested the big Spanish clubs over the last couple of seasons: Ashley Young.
I'm not drawing any particular conclusions; I just find it rather striking. Is he, unlike the mediocre-let's-face-it Milner, considered to be all flash and no grit, one of the dreaded "big-game bottlers", or what?
Isn't Jermaine Pennant...
...the best crosser of the ball in La Liga?
Good
one!
I like his plan
Johnny Howson will be in the England squad. I can cheer a Leeds player in an England shirt again.
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The make up of the team isn't the point, and how could it be any less successful anyway?
The '66 team didn't scare anyone on paper (Cohen, Stiles, Hurst, Hunt) but it quite clearly was 'a team'.
Whilst I've heard all the negative stuff about the F.A. (correct), the grass roots of the game (correct), the dire influence of the Premiership (very correct), the manager (possibly correct), I really think that there is, or was, an England team out there in 2010 which could have won the group and progressed in this World Cup or even beaten Germany on Sunday......it's just that, in my opinion, it was never going to include all the 70-plus caps brigade who have routinely failed at every tournament (and one qualifying group) that they have ever played in.
If Beckham et al had been racehorses they'd have been shot years ago.
It surely has to be time to put them, and us, out of their, and our, misery!
Personally, I'd welcome a fresh team made up of Blackburn, Bolton, Woles, West Brom and Leeds players representing England, and they wouldn't be tired because they only play 40-45 games a season.
In last night's 5Live programme...
...(available here - Out of Africa - the future of English football) the number of games played by the members of various World Cup squads was added-up and it turns out that the England team had played around the same number of games as everyone else, so being 'tired' isn't really a valid excuse for their abject performance.
There's a difference
The other major leagues have a break halfway through the season.
There was some research done a few years ago at AC Milan's Football Laboratory (that's a real place, honest) which showed that players who reach 50 games a season without a proper break begin to break down, physically speaking, and that recovery from injury slows enormously in the same group.
What's frustrating is that you have someone like Clarence Seedorf on the BBC the other night very eloquently explaining why the Premier League needs such a break, and Gary Lineker responding with "well, it didn't do me any good when I was at Barcelona", as if that negated all such arguments. It was a very English response.
With regard to the winter break...
...last night Chris Waddle pointed out that English clubs would just take the opportunity to play lucrative friendly matches during the period, so it would be completely ineffective here anyway - unless it could be enforced somehow (standardising the various international football seasons by enforcing set winter and summer breaks is perhaps the only good idea Sepp Blatter ever had).
What Gary Lineker can't explain, though,
is what harm would have been done had he not had a break - which is what several studies have proved. Clearly, the break will have a different impact on players with different bodies, injury records, ages and so forth. But what is abundantly clear is that a break is a positive move.
Compare and contrast: G. Lineker on the subject of FIFA / goal-line technology vs. G. Lineker on the subject of mid-season breaks...
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I think they're 'tired' in the sense of not being alert or wired or nervous as much as the mere physical.
I voted with my feet with this team and was swimming in the sea when the German game was on but on the Match Of The Day highlights the only players who looked remotely 'animated' in the warm up/anthem were the keeper and Defoe.
Terry, Cole, Rooney and, alas, Gerrard simply look dazed and punch-drunk and I don't think will ever succeed at a major tournament as they've simply been battered too many times.
It's about technique
Anyone here with kids playing FA-accredited local club football knows that they start on 11-a-sides on full size pitches & goals at aged 10 or 11. Most 10 year olds cannot kick the ball very far, so... The stand-out players are either a) the ones that can kick far (generally the biggest kids) or b) the fast runners who can chase the ball kicked by his big mate over the heads of the oppo's defenders.
Apparently, Holland and many other nations do not start 11-a-side until 14 and training is always in smaller groups on small pitches where technique is paramount.
There was a good point
made the other day on the Guardian football podcast, namely that - for no apparent reason - English players seem to have to fit some kind of pre-determined role according to their physique.
They cited the example of Emile Heskey who, as a teenager, was a quick and tricky winger until it was decided he was a bit big for a winger, so let's make him bulk up and become a lumbering target-man. Why can't Heskey score? Because he was never meant to be a centre-forward. But just because he was bigger than the average, it doesn't mean he couldn't be a winger. Not all wingers have to look like Aaron Lennon or Shaun Wright-Phillips.
Everton youngster Jack Rodwell was also mentioned. A promising midfielder who David Moyes has already said will probably end up a centre-back due to his size. Why is this? I can't understand why players can't just play in their best positions rather than this insistence with a one-dimensional view of what certain players should look like which appears to have come from the 1950s.
A very good point
As Archie has pointed out elsewhere*, Messi was seen as a kid as being too small to be a footballer at all.
And wasn't that the case with Diego as well?
Edit: George Best, too, for that matter.
*(I can't find it, so you're spared yet another airing of my new-found hypertext skills.)
Jack Rodwell
Moyes has indeed said he will probably end up a centre back - but it's nothing to do with his size (and I don't believe Moyes said it was). Jack would be a 'good' Rio Ferdinand or even, potentially, the next Bobby Moore - due to his vision, positioning, ability to spot (and deliver) the right pass at the right time.
In fact, the more Jack plays, the further forward Moyes seems to play him. He's played most games for Everton as a defensive midfielder so far, but increasingly he's playing as an attacking central midfielder in the Stevie G mould - which I actually think could be his best position.
I know I'm biased, but Rodwell really is the sort of player the next England manager should be building his 2014 team around - skill, (real) intelligence, stamina and self-belief. Happily he's signed a long-term contract with Everton now, where he'll get a decent run of first team appearances, the *right* sort of guidance from his manager, and feet that will be kept firmly planted on the ground. If only there were 21 more like him out there.
Sssh...
Paul, don't mention Gosling either. The GLW is reminding me we don't necessarily want Blues stars going to England with the history of them coming home crocked.
Jack's best position
In an interview on EvertonTV, which I can't post a link to as it is passsword protected, Jack spoke about the idea that he might end up playing central defence, but he was quite clear that he was enjoying playing midfield and that's where he hopes to continue.
The FA should start by looking at itself.
What made them think that picking a coach with no record of ever having managed a national team, let alone at a tournament, would somehow deliver the goods at a time when we were struggling to even qualify? It was a knee-jerk reaction to the perceived problem of player-power: hire a disciplinarian.
That said, I'd persist with Mr. Capello. How does anyone ever become a national coach capable of winning the World Cup? By doing it, making mistakes, learning and getting on. Mr. Capello has had a very difficult lesson and appears chastened; he's intelligent and I think he can change. I think he realises he needs to blood a generation of new players and treat them like adults. So my view would be to keep him on, quickly ease out the older (28+) players, target the semi's of the European Championship and review it after that.
Blaming Mr. Capello would suit the suits, all right, but I'd prefer to see them display far more mature judgement than hitherto - or consider their own positions first.
So, erm …
… who are coaches who have managed a national team before managing England?
Well, there are a handful...
who have won at least one international competition at club level in the last 15 years, unlike Fabio Capello.
The record shows that he's just not a knockout kinda guy.
So based on this logic
You would have approached Marcello Lippi or Otto Rehhagel?
Well...
Marcello Lippi had never had any experience of managing a national team but won the World Cup. Maradona, Louw, Del Bosque, Dunga...all the same lack of international coaching pedigree although Louw backed up Klinsmann at the 2006 World Cup.
Totally agree on Capello and the FA. The latter should keep him instead of paying out £16m and being tempted by 'Arry or Hodgson and then resign themselves.
Theme
Can't help thinking it is Out Of Africa this year; Blame It On Rio in four years time . . .
No really good players
with the possible exception of Cole, and apparently incapable of playing together as a team.
We need to start again
If you look at the pattern all recent England managers enjoyed a fine honeymoon period of decent results - Capello, Keegan, Ericksson. The problem then is the media start thinking we are World beaters when we are clearly not. Player power comes into it. I remember seeing Trevor Francis at a sportsmans dinner not long after he had been sacked as Birmingham manager. He made a very good point - how can a manager garner the respect of the players when they are earning far more than he is and know that effectively they can get him thrown out on his ear. I truly believe the players had this in mind in the Algeria game - watch the body language. They didn't want to play for Capello and he didn't want to manage them. They patched it up for Slovenia but too little too late. I think in the coming weeks we will hear a lot more about what went on. If Capello stays I think Terry has to go for starters. Probably be better if they both went and possibly Steve Gerrard too.
John Terry should go...
...because he has never played well for his country. He is often exposed for his lack of pace against decent opposition and has been covered by Rio and Cavalho. He is a good box player - own and especially the opposition's - but in between boxes he is a liability.
'they didn't want to play for Capello...'
Maybe not, but you'd have thought the chance for glory (even if only in a selfish sense) would have overridden an inclination to take the huff against the manager, no?
The anti-Capello theme emerging is interesting. Amazing how quickly some have forgotten how widely criticised the cliquey, passive style of Eriksson and McLaren was. Or maybe Sven calmly assessed the culture in the squad, decided the best approach was one of ego-massage and guided the team to its highest possible level, contrary to the widely held belief that they 'under-achieved'?
The views of a certain truculent Irishman might be instructive at this juncture...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8773716.stm
You see all these kids on
You see all these kids on various TV shows, doing all this Fancy Dan "soccer skillz" keepie-uppie nonsense; then, as soon as you put them in a professional environment, all of a sudden you find they can't thread a pass, or trap the ball, or control it properly, or shoot straight - hooking and slicing the ball with alarming regularity.
We're breeding performing seals, not footballers: It seems to me that aspiring footballers are wasting their time learning skills that are of no practical use whatsoever on the field of play.
Keepie-uppie nonsense...
doesn't make a great player, true, but great players do tend to be quite good at keepie-uppie nonsense.
This is my favourite thing on YouTube this week:
And his bloody laces
weren't even tied!
*Decides finally to face facts and retire from football*
And this one hasn't even got his boots on!
Thanks, Archie,
but I was feeling technically challenged enough already...
The way Maradona walks at about 45 seconds in
makes me think that Liam Gallagher has an invisible football on his head when he walks.
Pah...
Carlton Palmer could have done that in his sleep.
Carlton Palmer
couldn't even sleep in his sleep.
Ozzy has spoken
Ardiles in today's Telegraph:
Was I the only one who read the title of that last post
and looked forward to reading what Ozzy Osbourne had to say on the subject?
Much as I like Ardiles
I'm not sure I'd go to him for advice. A friend of mine went home to Swindon during his time as manager there, and discovered that Ardiles was listed in the phone book. For a laugh, my friend called him up to ask if he fancied a pint.
Cut to next scene: an hour later they met in a local tavern, where they spend an hour or so discussing what the fans thought of his tactics.
Makes you wonder if his thoughts in the Telegraph were his own, or something he'd picked up from some bloke down the pub.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The other way of looking at it would be to say he had the humility and open-mindedness enough to bat ideas about and get feedback.
I'm joking
Apologies I didn't make it obvious. I think it's brilliant he did what he did.
Doesn't it
show Ardiles - a World Cup Winner - to be a down to earth and humble bloke - prepared to have a pint with a complete stranger just becasue he's a fan and he's asked?
Can you imagine Capello or any of our over-rated prima-donna players doing the same? Let alone being listed in the phone book.
Maybe - in fact - some of our so called professionals that run (ruin?) the game here could do with taking on board some of the intelligent opinions - such as gathered here and on the "Err" thread
I met and spoke with Ardiles at a charity dinner back in January. His reply when asked whether England could win the Word Cup was succinct.
"No"
So he's not that daft.
At the dinner, he spoke passionately and intelligently about the game and given he's made his home here despite his support for Argentina in the Falklands/Malvinas conflict - I would say is very much his own man.
His brief tenure as manager at his (and my) beloved Tottingham was not an unalloyed success I grant you - but his commitment to open and attacking football was refreshing and a further mark of independence.
Yes
Like I said above: I'm joking. Apologies I didn't make it obvious. I think it's brilliant he did what he did.
posted
before I saw your second note - apologies
It's alright
My fault for not making the original meaning obvious.
watford cup games
were an all time classics in my book.
6-3 away from home, still going for it in the home defeat 2-3.
Genius, as would anyone who could pull off wearing the no. 1 shirt in '78
But all leagues are win-at-all costs!
All true about the foreign playmakers though.
And the reality is...
... that the big English beasts in club football (Gerrard, Lampard, Carragher, Terry, Ferdinand, Rooney, Barry) will all be replaced by foreigners. As is starting to happen now, all the good English players will be playing in 2nd tier teams, with the very odd exception.
All but one
of the Central / South American teams that took part got through the group stages. The only ones knocked out so far have been eliminated by other such teams (I think). Why is this?
CONMEBOL
I suspect that Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Argentina and Uruguay having to play Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Argentina and Uruguay during qualifying is an enormous asset in terms of gaining experience against quality opposition.
Indeed
And even some of those who didn't make it - Colombia and Venezuela, particularly - are much better than at least a dozen or so of the 32 who did.
I just noticed that
the South American teams played 18 matches to qualify compared to our 10 (mind you, it was a mere 8 for the Dutch)
That's a spurious point though,
because of the regionalisation of the qualification process, there's always going to be 'better' teams excluded from the finals.
English, and by extension, Scots, Welsh and Irish players have a poor first touch and are uncomfortable with the ball, because, as alluded to above, of the rudimentary 'coaching' techniques visited upon young footballers in these islands. Until this is addressed anything else is going to be papering over the cracks.
Ireland (rightly) feel agrieved that
France qualified at their expense despite a clear handball. I reckon they'd have made a better fist of it than a few European teams, including England.
Might have,
but I'm sure there were plenty of teams left at home who suffered from poor officiating and decisions during their qualification. Our failure to qualify was more down to the lack of ambition shown in some of the earlier games than the Henry incident. Mind you, that the French didn't even turn up in SA was pretty irritating!
Poor first touch
Glenn Hoddle certainly didn't have a poor first touch but was not an exceptional England player. Gascoigne had a great first touch and was a half decent England player. The difference between the two? Passion.
Difference between Capello and Maradona as managers? Passion. Capello is probably a better manager on a technical level but passion matters. We don't have it.
The P word
Where's the passion in a Mourinho team? Or in the current Brazil side? Or Germany or Spain? They're well-oiled machines, and applying too much "passion" would risk them overheating.
Passion
To hear Terry or Gerrard speak, you'd think that the ability to shake your fist in the direction of your team-mates while encouraging them loudly was the missing ingredient in England's campaign.
hoddle
bloody well was, the trouble was he was told to defend instead being allowed his free role as he was at Tottenham
should still be manager
Passion!!
Argentina's lion-hearted masterful performance today has truly vindicated this theory.
Shooting.
And don't forget shooting!
From the bits I saw of England there seemed to be a shoot-on-sight policy (and there should be one when they get back to Heathrow!).
Argentina's second goal in the last game came from a defensive lapse but the three touches from the no.9 were sublime.
Touch ball forward, get body in between defender and self, nick ball past keeper, slot in........Rooney, absolutely and categorically, would have taken at least one less touch, probably two, and hit the keeper.
Hmmm?
I think, as usual, too many football fans focus on the now. It is unlikely that any group of English players, from 14 years old and up, are going to do anything at the World Cup or the European Championship. The problems are way too deep. We have to change so many elements so profoundly that it will take years. Stop arguing about, Cole, Crouch, Rooney etc. They can’t and never will do it (although I wish they would).
Oh, and as for the too many foreign players in the Premiership – if Fraser is right about the German league and I have no reason to doubt him – that argument holds no water and needs kicking into touch.
One thing I didn’t mention as I forgot. I don’t think the players want it enough and I don’t think I blame them. If I was a player, earning millions (and the only person in my family ever to do so, and ever likely to do so) I think I would want to play for as long as I could. Getting injured cutting my career short would slash my earning potential. If I play until I am nearly 40 I could earn enough to keep myself and my children and my children’s children. Would I risk throwing that away playing in an England team that were falling apart before my eyes? When a game gets nasty and the chips are down. would I run myself ragged and go for every 50/50 ball knowing I would probably get clattered. I may miss a season – I may never fully recover, my currency would diminish and my future security would be at stake.
It is all very well for us to have romantic ideas about playing in a world cup final and wearing 3 lions on our chests but if your family’s financial security could be ruined by a late tackle for a team that probably can’t win the tournament – would you risk it?
I wouldn’t – it would take about 15-20% of my determination away, maybe less but at such a high level that is way too much. Why doesn’t it happen to other teams… maybe they really believe they can win. Of course not all players think like this but I am sure there are enough.
Bundesliga
That percentage figure comes from the Bundesliga site.
I think you're right about the fixes being long-term, and while I'd love to see the tournament here in 2018, you can guarantee it'll be short-term thinking that's applied if the bid is successful. We'd be better off looking at 2030 and starting from the bottom up.
The Germans did it in 10 years
Raphael Honigstein has constantly been pointing on the Guardian podcast and on various BBC radio outlets that after the disastrous 2000 Euros campaign the German FA briefly considered a (expensive) foreign coach but decided to focus on two things.
They would enhance coach education at elite level and focus on inclusive grass roots coaching of the age group 9-11, including the children of immigrant families (citizenship rules had recently been liberalised).
The result is 10 years later it has the youngest team since before the second war, with a wide spread of ethnicities and which has achieved above expectations.
At risk of being branded a member of the Guardian reader Division of the PC brigade, I'm making nothing of the middle point. But I am pointing to grass roots development, coach education and, crucially, the management of expectations.
That team were allowed to go out an perhaps fail, as long as they saw some development for future competitions - England never plans several tournaments ahead and never considers anything else other than winning as an option. It's always die dog or shite the licence. Regardless of what the reality may be.
And that is as much to do with the public, the media and commercial imperatives of big competitions.
How else would Ian Wright or Chris Kamara or any other has been make money advertising bookies or supermarkets (to a soundtrack of the 1966-associated anthems 'The Great Escape' or 'Self Preservation Society') - if people are being told qualification is good enough for now?
its been the
same for 30 odd years and sadly will never change.
Your points are so true
For what is primarily a music site
The football analysis on here beats much of that coming from so called pundits and football experts.
one of those expert pundits
Graham Taylor on the Beeb site:
"Twice now, probably more, Alonso has mis-controlled the ball. But his desire to win it back is absolutely first-class. I can only assume he learnt that in the Premier League."
Well in fairness, Bad,
we all know those Iberians don't really care that much about possession. It's that mañana attitude that lets them down every time.
:-)
We're such well-rounded characters
Try asking Shearer what he thinks of Arc of a Diver, and he'll bang on about yellow cards for simulation.
I agree with many of the points
Thick yes as in lack of football intelligence, a lack of basic ability as in basic passing shooting movement.
Also we don't play as a team too much emphasis on the individual see the cult of the individual yes you David Beckham and others I saw Gerrard try ridiculous shots when a pass would have built the team play better.
We need to adopt the Dutch model and start producing intelligent footballers again but it's going to take a long time I fear a long time in the wilderness
Rab I disagree re the earning potential
A top premier league footballer is going to earn £5 million per year excluding perks such as houses etc etc. 2 seasons would look after his family for life. That argument doesnt wash especially as they get paid when they are injured. It is more complex than that - or at least I hope it is. If that is the reason I start to worry about our game.
You would think it would be enough.
I agree the money they earn would easily look after their families after a couple of years of playing. But I don't think people who earn that type of money think like that. The more they have the more they want. Investing £10 million would not get close to making enough to keep them and their families in huge houses and sports cars etc.
People with piles of money just spend it like we do. Only the shit they spend it on is way more expensive than the shit we buy. I love the fact I can buy books and CDs when I want and would miss not being able to do that. Going back to my many broke years is not appealing. I could survive comfortably with less money but would not choose to as I have a choice – so I don’t do stupid, pointless things at work to get myself sacked and ruin my career.
The fear of being replaced
in the team is almost nil for most of the England team. In cricket since Andy Flower was appointed almost anyone can be replaced and if form dips or someone else demands a place then Flower will change. Wicket keeper Matt Prior has been replaced in the 1 day team by the younger, more attacking Craig Keiswetter. Priors performances in T20 cricket since have been fantastic. England now have two quality wicket keepers who will be vying for a place for years to come. Someone should have done the same with Gerrard and Lampard for example. Imagine the performances we would have got if one played knowing the other was on the bench waiting for his chance. It is best illustrated by the almost grotesque selling of England shirts with a players name and number on the back. The assumption being that Terry IS Englands number 6 or Lampard IS Englands number 8. Strong management is needed to make the best of the small pool of players we have, identifying at least 2 players in each position and making it the surivival of the fittest is an essential step in the right direction.
GET RID, GET RID, FOR F'CKS SAKE, GET RID, LAD
I coach an Under 9s girls team and we play in a U7s boys league.
As I am sure Leedsboy, Dave Amitri and the handful of others here involved in youth football can attest, the most frequent phrase I hear at U7-U14 football is 'Get Rid, lad'.
If you are conditioned to 'get rid' of the ball, you are probably not moving for the next pass or the one after it and not particularly interested in getting it back.
I suspect this lack of respect for the ball, possession and passing is not fostered in Holland, Argentina, Spain, Germany or Brazil.
Gareth Barry.
My point once again
I don't agree with any of this detailed analysis and questions about player skill levels and nit picking.
The main reason England can't succeed - PRESSURE. Enormous, unreasonable, counter-productive levels of pressure. Far too much at stake for them, every game on this level they play. Any potential spilt second mistake, becomes a crime that may follow them for the rest of their lives. The unforgiving, humourless British media, like wolves at the door.
More of a psychological game, than anything to do with football for any England Manager. Forced as they are into strategies of isolation, and confidence tricks to try and overcome this.
Then the players have to stand in the starting lineup while their own fans jeer the German anthem before kick off.
Why anyone can't see this is beyond me.
So, it's all to do with
So, it's all to do with pressure that England or the other nations on these islands aren't producing enough players. At 10-11 lads are saying 'I don't want to go any further because I'm frightened of the attention.'
And are you suggesting that Brazil, Argentina or Spain don't have the same kinds of pressure? Their media are every bit as ruthless.
Pressure
I think pressure has something to do with it - being able to cope with expectation and doubt is a huge part of any World Cup. I saw a great interview with Marcello Lippi the other day where he talked about the Italians' wonderful victory over the Germans in the semi-final of the last World Cup. He said that the result had very little to do with tactics and team selection, and almost everything to do with the fact that they simply coped with the pressure of the situation better than the Germans.
So while other nations might experience precisely the same levels of mental burden, they cope. England don't. There's the difference.
Of course lots of other factors go some way to explaining why England generally do about as well as their world ranking suggests they should, and not much better, but the inability to cope with pressure is definitely there.
Sorry, Fraser
I wasn't suggesting it isn't a factor at big tournaments, of course it is but it cannot be the main reason. And, if we all accept it then why could England's three sports psychologists (I think, three, it was deffo two) not do something about it?
Just as the amount they are paid cannot be the sole reason for failure or lack of passion - all top flight internationals are on large wages.
After all my posts on this, and this is the least, I think it is down to tactical inflexibility which in turn comes from deep seated failure of coaching at all levels which in part is down to the demands of the Premier League, or at least its elite clubs.
Right I have got to go away and write 20,000 words on activist groups by the end of August. Ta ra all, see you in September or at the July 16 get together in ver 'Pool.
Basic psychology
Yes, absolutely. I don't think any country in the world puts the same level of pressure on their team and Manager than England. And its not constructive, well meaning, 'just do your best' kind of pressure. Its 'you are payed a fortune - DELIVER'. If not - prepare for your own crucifixion. Threat psychology, anyone with any experience of human nature, or management knows where this gets you.
Football is about a series of split second decisions. Luck also plays a lot more of a part than anyone realises also. And the players know this.
You say "At 10-11 lads are saying 'I don't want to go any further because I'm frightened of the attention." . What people are consciously aware of, isn't always what motivates them. Which brings us again to the question of the intelligence of our players. Why are only stupid people attracted to football in England? Its clear to me.
Every national team is under pressure
Marky. Look at these articles which tells you how the Italians reacted to defeat.
This is the Captain's opinion:
http://english.gazzetta.it/WorldCup/25-06-2010/cannavaro-talks-post-elim...
Note the last sentence though - there's no question they WILL win, just the time-scale before the event!
This is how the fans reacted:
http://english.gazzetta.it/WorldCup/26-06-2010/the-azzurri-return-to-ita...
It can be a curse
I can't help feeling that the widespread stated belief that footballers are "thick" has, at its core, a wee bit of jealousy.
Believe me, it's the same for people who are extremely good-looking. I pretend to be thick much of the time, so that less attractive people feel more comfortable around me.
Blimey!
Are you...
... also in the hole behind the one up top, as well as being lovely? ;-)
I don't get it
I was only joking. I am in fact quite repulsive and also very thick -which is probably why I don't get your comment, Glenbervie. It sounds funny, but it's gone zinging over my head.
The sense I get
from a lot of the points made, and the performance on and off the pitch, is that there is a sense of privilege that the England (and other teams) have, is far in excess of their actual performance. There’s no sense of earning a place in the side, or working to keep it, and any sort of shame at having played so underwhelmingly – they act as if it really isn’t their problem.
I suspect that this ties in with the "players are thick" notion - a certain culture has emerged where over-paid players keep getting money, sex, fame etc thrown at them and seem to feel that they've earned it, rather than simply been lucky enough to have the right skills at the right time. And with all that comes to them, they feel no need to push themselves any further. This doesn't just apply to footballers - or athletes - either, but they seem to be the most public right now. A sense of confidence is one thing, but there’s obviously a line that’s been crossed somewhere.
British style
I don't accept that the British frenetic style of footie is doomed to fail versus the cultured, beautiful, continental brand (the fawning gets a little much). The problem is that England don't seem to be able to reproduce it whereas Spain and Germany are currently good imitations of the Barcelona/Bayern models.
Of course, to provide a counterpoint to that...the two examples I can think of where England have adapted or changed their style/formation were in 1970 in Mexico where the extreme heat made England suddenly play like Brazil (have you seen the Brazil-England match...we were wonderfully relaxed and cultured) and in 1990 when we switched formation and somewhow made our way to a semi.
Not sure there are any conclusions in that.
Ironically
The Germans actually claim to be playing in a Premiership-stylee.
Jurgen Klinsmann:
Might be time..
to return the compliment.
It will interesting to see the clash of styles when they take on Argentina and also whether they close up shop against Messi et al (a la desperately conservative Portugal versus Spain) or run at them. I suspect they were rather flattered by the England/Australia underarms.
You may be right
But there isn't a groaning weight of expectation on this team. The feeling in Germany is that this is a promising, but young and inexperienced squad. There won't be a sense of crushing disappointment if they're beaten by Argentina.
One would expect, however, that this team could develop into something better, which is quite possible (although they'll need to find some better centre-halves and another striker).
Pressure in England?
Huge pressure alright, but no worse than Brazil, Italy, France, Argentina. Have a look at the media coverage in some of those countries!
Brazil, Italy, France, Argentina.
The difference? In Brazil, Italy, France, Argentina, see in the end they KNOW its a game. An important distinction.
So they'll all be perfectly happy
So they'll all be perfectly happy at having left the World Cup before the semis then...?
England...
... a team of old, passionless millionaires? No - a team of decent players who are so scared of fucking up in front of our cuntish tabloid press (who absolutely revel in it when they do), that they can barely muster a decent sideways pass.
In defence of Her Majesty's Press
* These players are only too happy to take the money from the tabloids for their ghosted columns
* The tabloids are no more vitriolic than the pundits in the "qualities"
* Or indeed the fans
Most ex-footballers are as...
... bad as journalists in that they'll never criticise one of their own - we all know it's an unwritten rule. But the football media that applauded the FA for given Capello a new contract after qualification is the same bunch of cocks who are now calling for his head - it's always a "win win" for them - there's never any comeback particularly, and most tellingly, from fellow members of Her Majesty's Press.
Sorry but no...
£150,000 a week buys an awful lot of pressure.
I'm pretty sure the press are fairly strident with their opinions in South America, certainly most of Southern Europe and err..generally anywhere where football is the national sport.
>
Actually, if I were England manager (which, alas, isn't going to happen anytime soon although I'd do it for nothing if you're listening in Soho Square), those 'ghosted' columns would be the first to go.
No sooner had the hapless Ferdinand returned to England than he was part of the Sun's World Cup coverage.
How does that sit with, for example, Gerrard with reference to the Sun's coverage of Hillsborough?
No, no, no, no, no.
If you were England manager...
Ages ago I wrote a letter to Brian Barwick when he was at the FA. Under my revolutionary plan, you eventually would get a turn.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, I never got a response. In 1996, when I actually applied for the job myself, I did. It's obviously been going downhill ever since.
You forgot
to end you missive with: "PS I am not mad."
Oi!
My recently de-conjoined twin (James Blast of this parish) signs some of his communications that way, and he's not!
Sorry but completely no. And no again.
Charlie Gordon - "£150,000 a week buys an awful lot of pressure."
I don't care too much for money, money cant buy me respect, or the basic dignity I need to do a good job. I've got to love what I do, to achieve. Money can't buy me that, but a lot of things can get in the way.
Its one of the biggest misconceptions of our age that financial rewards at this kind of level are a motivator of any sort. Look at 95% of the Banking industry as further proof of this. And most of those guys just do a 12 hour day on computer systems and phones, juggling numbers around. And they don't have to worry that a single mistake will cost them the respect of the entire country for the rest of their lives.
Sorry but yes..
If I'm reading you right you're saying that money is not a prime motivator for footballers/bankers.
The major heads of investment banks and their deputies have always been entirely motivated by money. Few of them do it for the love of the industry. Footballers are slightly different in that they happen to get well paid for a job they do love but Ashley Cole (especially), John Terry and others in the team are notorious for holding out for a fatter contract and moving on if clubs won't bite.
I think England (and club) fans expect their hideously enriched heroes to be able to withstand the pressure or else pass the baton on. Others seem to be coping pretty well e.g.Brazil who are expected to win the World Cup every time.
The clubs are owned by the bankers
They have lent dubious individuals the clubs own money at punitive rates to make a hostile takeover in several cases. Its all about the money and flogging the living arse out of people's residual love for the game. The footie is a hollow sham and I think you can see it in the players eyes
There are still a few players out there...
for whom money really doesn't seem to be a primary motivation.
Paul Scholes, for one. And... err... umm...
Sorry but nay, nay …
Footballers at their level are almost implausibly rare. So thin of the ground, they can ask what they want. On the field however, the idea that John Terry is thinking "might as well fluff that one, since I didn't get the extra million" is clearly ridiculous.
Football is a game of split second decisions. The only chance that those split second decisions might be be the right ones, comes if players are motivated by something less superficial than money. Even vast quantities of it, can make no difference to this in my opinion. In fact, money at this level clearly brings more distractions than benefits.
Now Bankers are rewarded by unbefitting, and morally degenerate levels of cash. More annually indeed, than any Great Train robbery or crime of the last 20 years. As is clearly evident, this doesn't mean that the decisions they make are improved. Quite the opposite, I propose.
Isn't that the point though?
The players ARE distracted by the cash they are wallowing in. The extra tiny bit of motivation and clarity - passion? - that makes the difference, has gone. These are thick muscleheads who have been wealthy since their mid teens and have little or no moral compass.
The Rooney who was infuriated at the booing after the Algeria game was the true man - I doubt he even read the manicured apology from his publicist.
The dead eyed bankers who gouge the sport with their 'innovative financial vehicles' couldn't care less who plays for the national team, they make their money sponsoring takeovers of premiership clubs and out of 'tax efficiencies' for the largely foreign players who appear for them, and the foreign company that televises it.
Call me ignorant...
... but it seems to me that the Englishmen running about on the big green rectangle didn't make the leathery bag go into the stringy thing as many times as the German men did. Maybe they need to be paid more money. Could it, perhaps, be a vitamin deficiency?
My money is on Villa to win next year's world cup.
Wise words mate
...
Tabloid feeding frenzy
Post Deleted: Gentlemen. Please try and avoid repeating libellous rumours, unless you can PROVE that what the story you're repeating is true. Writing "allegedly" makes no difference, nor does hinting at the identity of the party in question when subsequent posts make it precisely clear who's being talked about.
Thanks.
Fraser
Books
Apparently an England player was found with a book & his team mates made him throw it away.
He hadnt even finished colouring it in.
There will be a fascinating generation coming soon
Someone above talked about footballers earning enough to let their children and children's children to live lavishly for all thier lives.
It prompted me to consider the wave of super-rich, privately-educated, no-need-to-work children of the working-class-done-good that are Gerrard, Rooney, Terry, Beckham, Ferdinand et al, and what a rich source of tabloid fun they will be.
Peaches Rooney?
Watch this space. I fear you may well be right.
This generation of super-rich footballers
Will still find inventive ways to blow all their money and end up in Hackney council houses.
Gambling, cocaine, alimony, hare-brained business ventures, getting ripped-off by advisers, ill-advised music careers ...
Already with us, kb
Remember George Lineker? Seems like only yesterday that he was a baby "battling" with leukemia.
Well he's falling out of nightclubs now and "dating" girls off Big Brother.
Lord help us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1290781/George-Lineker-carr...
Git Wizard
David Blaine is said to be absolutely gutted that his record of doing bugger all in a box for 42 days has been broken by Wayne Rooney
Anyone want to hear my idea?
Every year the England team is sold to a different media owner. Sky, The Guardian, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Jewish Chronicle, Nuts, MTV, whoever. They have to find and pay a manager (they may choose to retain a successful one), develop a strategy and see it to success, knowing that if it fails their brand values will go down the plughole with it.
I've had a drink.
Yes drinks are good
Its an idea. Although with 1 winner and 32 losers in the World Cup, I reckon the Marketing Strategists might have a few words to say about it, but hey.
I've worked indirectly for Sky Sports in Advertising. All I can say is, if they can manage a football team with the same lack of imagination and taste that they manage their campaigns… lets just say it would be an interesting to see John Terry and Wayne Rooney wheeled onto the pitch in a tank firing shells with the Sky logo emblazoned over it. Screw the turf.
So who would
the Development Hell™ England manager be, David?
On second thoughts, forget it. I'd hate to see my favourite magazine and site besmirched by association with a bunch of Premiership prima donnas.
Did anyone notice
that on the same day 23 overated, underachieving, over paid, tossers arrived back from South Africa, another plane landed at RAF Lyneham with 7 men killed in Afghanistan. Just seems to me we have our priorities wrong.
I've had enough of the England team, the Premiership, Sky, overated, overpaid, ignorant, vain Premiership footballers. Bill Shankly was totally wrong. Football isn't more important than life and death. It's just a game. And quite frankly, 46 years after seeing my first match (Bury vs Newcastle in 1964 in case anyone is interested) its goodbye to football from me. No more. Had enough.
We never get much luck
How many times do the freak things that happen to England at the World Cup happen to other teams?
1970 - Banksy gets food poisoning, Bonetti goes in goal with disastrous results
1982 - We don't lose a game - still go out
1986 - The hand of the cheating bastard
1990 - The Germans get a freak goal from a free kick and then Waddle hits the inside of the post but the ball defies the laws of physics to come out again. Lose on pens.
1998 - Beckham should never have been sent off for what amounted to a tap, the Argentine who clattered him should have gone as well anyway. Campbell has a winner ruled out which 8/10 refs would have allowed. Lose on pens.
2002 - The jammiest free kick of all time scored by a gust of wind
2006 - The Rooney sending off was very harsh to say the least - Ronaldo should've gone for ungentlemanly conduct. Lose on pens.
2010 - Green makes a schoolboy error he's probably never made in his life before. Lampard scores a goal, everyone in the ground sees it except the three officials. Don't tell me we would've lost anyway - Germany would've been rocked back on their heels after 2 goals in a minute and England would've been back on track.
I don't think any other team has had a run like that. I blame Arsene Wenger.
Hmmm
But what was that famous quote from Gary Player? "The more I practice, the luckier I get."
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As long as people (and the team) believe in 'bad luck' the longer the run of poor results goes on.
Knock it on the head.
Two words kept getting uttered before the tournament when talk turned to England.
1. 'Luck'.
2. 'Experience' (i.e. a set of players with an average of 70 caps who have 100% experience of failing at such events.)
You make your luck.
England win their group and, hey, it's Ghana instead of Germany.
Drop all the celebs now and pick from Wolves, Stoke & Bolton otherwise these 'unlucky' 90-times-capped-by-England players will be 'unlucky' again.
Ghana
would also have beaten that England team
Probably/possibly/maybe
Probably so, but the Germany/Argentina draw could have been averted in favour of a Ghana/Uruguay draw.....and that has nothing to do with bad luck.
2002
England played against ten men for much of the match and, from memory, managed not a single worthwhile attack on Brazil's goal after Ronaldino's dismissal.
Know what I love about football?
There isn't one of the arguments above that I can't see at least some merit in - and they're all interesting. That's what keeps it going. There's nothing else remotely like it.
Fawning sycophancy alert redux
It's what I love about this blog as well. I visit here as much for the banter about football, meeja, politics and groceries as I do for the music, although that will always be the anchor.
Anyone else listening to Baddiel & Skinner podcast?
Frank made the interesting point that, in a conversation wiht an FA official, the official kept turning the discussion back to the 2018 bid. Frank's conclusion is that the FA simply don't care about England winning the tournament, as they do about winning the bid: the bid is hugely lucrative.
His solution (have the next World Cup hosted by the winner) would mean that, if you're so commercially driven as to want to host the thing, then at least your target is the same as those who really want to win it.
Hosting
Ironically, there's very little evidence that hosting the World Cup (the same applies with the Olympics) is lucrative at all, although it's generally the peg on which bids are hung. In fact, the opposite is often true: when England hosted Euro 96, the city of Liverpool concluded that the tournament had bought in just £1,000,000 and created 30 temporary jobs, and that this income was reduced by the expenditure on infrastructure, policing etc. Direct income for the entire tournament was £100,000,000, which is dwarfed by the £12.7 billion bought in by other forms of tourism to the UK, and again has to be matched against the expenditure of hosting, improvements to stadia etc. When Japan hosted the WC in 2002, they forecast a boost to the economy of £26 billion, but were unable to prove any such boost post-tournament. Ideally you'd hope that the new stadiums and facilities would be used going forward, but that doesn't always work either: some of those Japanese stadiums are now not used for anything.
It can get worse: if the tournament is affected by any kind of trouble - as were the Olympics in Munich and Atlanta - it can cost the city pretty seriously in terms of future tourism, at least for a while.
South Africa already attracts 750,000 visitors each month. They expect the World Cup to attract 500,000... but for there also to be huge drop in regular tourism for the month. And they've spent an enormous amount in preparing for those 500,000.
If anyone wants to read more of this kind of thing (I'm not reeling these numbers off from the top of my head, honest), read Why England Lose: And other curious phenomena explained. It prompts as many questions as it answers, but it's interesting reading nonetheless.
Good stuff, Fraser
But perhaps, despite the lack of real profits to be made, there is still the perception that it's A Good Thing, which is what drives the FA? And of course it will look (lucratively) good on your CV if you've been instrumental in getting the World Cup to your country!
I'll definitely check out that book - I'm fascinated by all that Freakonomics stuff - thanks.
Oh yes
The feel-good factor involved in hosting major tournaments is HUGE. Even the suicide rate drops.
Are England still rubbish now?
Six months from now all anyone will remember is that we had the best team in the world on the ropes until we were cruelly denied a perfectly good goal... and the hype will build again.
How good must Terry and Co feel about Germany 4 Argentina 0? It's probably saved their (international) careers.
Yep they most certainly are still rubbish.
Germany just gave us a lesson in how to put together a team, play to their strengths, stay cool and trash Argentina. I agree that pro England pundits will use this as a sign that all is not rotten at the heart of English football, but they are wrong, and the comments on this blog, in the main, have proved it.
This blog has mostly argued, and in my opinion rightly so, that what is wrong with the England team is not just a single, easily fixable issue but a myriad of entrenched problems that go to the very heart of every element of our football culture and will take years to put right. If pundits want to brush all of this under the carpet then fine, but we will be experiencing this shambles all over again, very soon. (But I would love to be wrong). Maybe to support England you have to a masochist – Oh it will be different this time, they’ve changed, I know they have and I love them, what can I do?
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That phrase 'stay cool' is very apt.
For a number of reasons (alluded to above) the England team resemble a rabbit staring at headlights whenever they go anywhere near an important.....i.e. a knockout match in the latter stages of a tournament, not a free kick against Greece; ask the Germans......match.
Pundits
I think now, finally, meeja pundits would be wary of engaging in the routine optimism which prefaces England's participation in tournament finals.
Steven Gerrard said the 4-1 result against Germany "wasn't a hiding", but I reckon that's just balm for an bruised ego. Deep down surely - surely! - he has to accept your point, Rab, that England were given a football lesson which signifies deeper problems.
Still
I played football at a decent level for 15+ years, and ANYONE who has done anything similar will know that the boost you get coming back from 2 down to level just before half time is an adrenaline rush of some substance which sets the team up on a confident high for the second half. Yep, Engerlund were generally poor throughout the WC, but they had the capability of winning the German game IF it was parity at the half. And no, the meeja pundits will still be bigging up Engerlund come 2012.
Premiership at it again........expect English failure again
Following the great success had by Germany looking to youth (six players from last year's Under 21s) comes the news that Blackburn Rovers and Aston Villa are reluctant to let a player each go to the upcoming U19 European Championships in France......a tournament that mirrors a World Cup more than ten seasons in the 'Champions' League could ever do.
Tottenham apparently have four (at least one of which I know to have been poached from QPR) players they are digging their heels in about.
Apparently pre-season friendlies against Ryman League teams are more important to 'arry.
Time for the FA to really get tough with the Premiership.
Surely there can't be a person in this country who now wouldn't agree with that?
Time for the FA to really get tough with the Premiership.
Its not often I agree with a Labour politician (or a politiian of any colour)
But I have to agree with Richard Caborn, ex Sports minister, when he said the FA is "not fit for purpose".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8787109.stm
Warning......this is truly jaw-dropping.
Alex (Sir, my arse) Ferguson:
Rooney's 'not got great experience of playing in the World Cup really.......(but).......you wait, in four years' time you'll see a different player'.
My ghast has never be more flabbered.
You really couldn't make it up.
He's just not giving...
... any negative juice to the cuntish tabloid media (who would have a feeding frenzy over it) - what he says to him privately will be a totally different matter - especially if he plays like that for United. I'm amazed that you hadn't noticed that Ferguson always supports his players - and has little respect for the press.
Exactly
If Rooney plays like that for his country rather than the people who pay his preposterous bills, its merely a pity.
If Rooney played like that for his club there would be hell to pay. Because cui bono - his paymasters - bankrupt foreign owners, flogging a world wide brand, all reported on by an appalling and foreign owned media all themselves dependent on international brands for income - AIG?
Rooney is entirely in hock to these people, he has been since he was a teenager and because of his self-evident stupidity he hasn't any comprehension of what ordinary life is like for his countrymen. His unscripted rage at the booing in SA tells you all you need to know. You can bet the whole current England squad feels the same way
(By the way I think Sralex doesn't count as foreign because a Scot at MUFC is on home ground. Not complaining about old Purple Face who is plainly a total genius just commenting.)
Not the press.... the people surely?
It's not the press who should be outraged at this (The Mail, The Mirror, The Sun have all gone about sabotaging the England team for years.....they all hate this country as much as he does), it is the people who are routinely taken for mugs.
In the unlikely event that he comes into my orbit (Barnet v. Manchester United) and I sincerely hope he doesn't, I'll be sure to mention it.
Sorry for resurrecting this but.........
Joe Cole, with the world at his feet, opts for Liverpool.
James Milner, if the rumours are true, makes the career-defining move of 6th placed Premiership team to 5th placed Premiership team.
If either opted for a Spanish, German or Italian club, they could go to Fabio C. and justly say.....'I've taken on board one of the reasons for my own, and my country's, dire performances in tournament football and I'm going to do something about it'.
But no.
For both of them it will be Harlem Globbtrotters' football versus the likes of Wigan and Bolton.
That is why England are rubbish.
Still there's no reason for us not to make money as well.
Stick a substantial amount on England 'not' qualifying for Euro 2012.
And of course
neither of them are moving for the money. What a vulgar suggestion.
Update!
Template for the England team?
Look no further than France.
They have dropped the WHOLE squad!
Brilliant.
Should make it easier for Fabio to drop Beckham, Cashley, James, Ferdinand, Terry, Johnson, Gerrard, Lampard and barn door/banjo Rooney now.
Under 17's
As far as I can see only 4 players from the u17 squad of the last 6 years have been capped at senior level... Rooney, Milner, Lennon, Huddlestone.
U19 European Championship lesson
Anyone wanting to see just how far in front of the English Youth development system the Spanish are should tune in to Eurosport repeats over the next couple of days.
Spain tonked England 3-1 today in a hugely one sided game - the Spaniards were breath taking in their ability to keep hold of the ball. Their second goal especially was magnificent.
Liverpol fans' appetites should be whet by Daniel Pancheco who had a blinder in the red and yellow.
I assume the English
team was made up of big athletes with "good engines" who couldn't trap a bag of cement eh Paddy? The big lads, with big attitudes who boosted their coaches egos as kids by overpowering those less aggressive smaller kids of the same age? We are fucking deluded in this country from the bottom of the football tree to the top. I guess the Spanish team was smaller, more skilfull, more intelligent etc. QE fucking D
Fair point Dave,
but Spain have never been known for the 'big led oop froont' style of play, yet have only recently reached the pinnacle of world football. It might just be their time, and good luck to them too (apart from, of course, when they play Scotland in the Euro 2012 qualifiers. Best time to play them apparently. We'll see ;-)
Dougie
Dave, the Spaniards must have kept the ball for two minutes for their second goal. Loads of skill and movement.
Got to the English box - nothing doing, so back through the midfield, right back to one of two ball playing centre halfs, back through midfield, loads of pass and go, break at pace down the right, two quick interchanges at right hand edge of the box, back post cross, bottom corner from the boy Pancheco.
It was like that 22 pass move the Dutch did at Wembley going back 20 or so years ago, only better.
Having said that a midfield of Scott Brown and Barry Robson will have Iniesta and Xavi quaking in their Nike T90s, eh Dougie?
Who knows.
My optimistic side says that they will struggle to raise motivation to play Scotland in a piffling qualifier after doing the ultimate double.
My frankly stronger pessimistic side says that they will go on to dominate world football for years and in the process grind us into submission with their relentless pass and move...
That said, we always raise our game against the big countries, although I would hope that we wouldn't resort to Holland style spoiling, aka 'cage fighting'. Wouldn't shed too many tears in that scenario I must admit - just as Jason Manford commented about his team Man City - 'if it was any other team buying up all this talent, we'd say it was ruining football. As it's City, I'm not bothered'. Never a truer statement made about football fandom...
Home-Grown Rule
Anyone expecting the Premier League's new "home-grown" rule to save the day is in for a nasty shock. Under this rule a home-grown player is defined as a player who "irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
Every club will have to name a first-team squad of no more than 25, of which a minimum of 8 must be home-grown players.
This means that, taking the current Arsenal squad for next season, the following players, who have all played at full-international level for their country of birth, qualify as "home grown": Denilson (Brazil), Clichy (France), Bendtner (Denmark), Fabregas (Spain), Song (Cameroon), Ramsey (Wales) and Djourou (Switzerland).
In fact, looking at the squad list on the Arsenal website, of their squad of 26* there are 3 English players and 13 who qualify as home grown...
That's not going to solve any problems by 2014.
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* In addition to the core 25 players, teams are allowed to add as many U21s to their squad as they wish, which is why the Arsenal squad is 26 strong at present, with room for six more players as seven of the 26 are U21...
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Quick note on that England U19s team.....apparently only three of them can expect to play first team football in the Premiership next season.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
I wouldn't mind if we didn't all know the Premiership table as at 1st May 2011 already!