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Why did Cheryl and Ash get married in the first place?
Cheryl Cole is said to be instigating a divorce. She's had enough of Ashley's philandering. This is not in itself surprising. What I'm really puzzled by is why people like this get married at all. "We're getting married because we're committing ourselves to spend our lives together," she said when they got married three years ago. She was just twenty-three and he was twenty-six. In many circles these days this would be considered a bit young to get married, all the more so if you were a pop star with a busy career and your intended was approaching the most hectic and demanding stage of a very high-profile sporting career. What would have been so wrong about waiting for a bit and seeing how things panned out?
As the American rock star John Mayer pointed out recently, Tiger Woods' problem wasn't the catting around; it was the fact that he was married. "I send dirty texts to girls all the time," Mayer added with the air of a man who was enjoying his bachelorhood to the full. Why shouldn't he?
I've got a theory. Contemporary stardom breeds really short attention spans. Today's stars don't believe they're alive unless they're reading about themselves in the papers, unless they've got a huge event to look forward to and to sell the rights to. Their personal life has to be a series of events, just like their professional life. We were noting in the office the current vogue for baby books. I see Tess Daley's book about idyllic domestic happiness has been spoiled by the fact that her husband Vernon Kay has been branded as a "sex text cheat" (great name for a band). Denise Van Outen has got a baby book coming out and she's not due until May!
Maybe all these people should hold off from getting married until the shine has gone off their fame and wealth. That way they're less likely to get their hearts broken in the full glare of the publicity that they brought upon themselves.
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Interesting theory, but...
I'd imagine that the problems you cite (divorce, adultery...etc) are just as common amongst non-celebrites. Substitute 'contemporary stardom' with 'contemporay life' and I think you'd be spot on.
You might be right but.....
....no tiny minority in human history (and I include rock stars in this) as been as energetically targeted by members of the opposite sex as Premiership footballers. If you marry a young, good looking, famous and wealthy Premiership player in this d & a and expect him to stay on the s & n, then, well, best of luck to you.
Stereotypes
I've got non-footballing mates who play around behind their partner's backs. Conversely, I know of several footballers who are quiet, faithful family men.
Either you're the sort of bloke who cheats on his wife or you aren't.
Agreed...nevertheless...
...most men would have to put in a bit of effort to find somebody to philander with. If you're a Premiership player I don't think you'd have to even click your fingers. As the old saying goes "you'd see more sex than a policeman's torch."
I think you're probably right
"Virtue never tested is no virtue at all" as the Bard of Barking once put it.
Or, as Tom Waits puts it..
more ass than a toilet seat.
True, but if I had a Cheryl
True, but if I had a Cheryl at home I don't think I could be bothered with it all. He also falls into every footballer cliche by being thick enough to think he could get away with it.
I don't
really buy into your theory that it's almost impossible for famous people to remain faithful. Sure they've got more temptation, but you talk about it as though it's part of the job description.
"energetically targeted"?
I don't doubt that some women may see becoming a WAG as a valid career choice, but to suggest that these poor helpless men are powerless to resist is as damning to them, as the idea that all WAGs (or wannabe WAGs) are somehow scheming and manipulative harpies is to the women. Surely what we are dealing with is two consenting adults who are fully aware of their own relationship status and make an informed choice?
One theory a while back was a marriage of convenience -
one could mask homosexuality, the other could deflect criticisms of racism.
Nah
She doesn't strike me as the lesbian type
Everyone's a lesbian nowadays...
myself included.
I am
and so's my wife
My divorce
barely made the papers. And it didn't really have a huge impact on the public's perception of me. And I could come into work and be pretty sure people wouldn't ask me awkward questions about it. I reckon that's a pretty substantial difference and I think the point being made is that if you are using your life events to continue to develop the brand, make sure you realise that there is a flip side. And is it worth it?
At risk of sounding like I give a monkey's...
When they wed, Cheryl was not the forces' sweetheart and ubiquitous face she now is. She was very young, pretty much just moved from South Shields to London's pavements carved from toasted glass, seduced by Ashley Cole's wealth and the supposed glamour of WAG life. They had a very brief courtship, too. Even if someone had taken her aside and let her in on what everybody knew, ie: 'He's a wrong 'un, love', she'd probably still have gone ahead with the nuptials.
South Shields?
Cheryl is from Newcastle. Heaton or Byker, I believe.
Yeah...
...but South Shields is funnier.
Don't say it to her face though...
"Are yiz callin' iz a fookin' sand dancer like?"
God, no...
..she has quite an upper cut, by all accounts.
"sex text
cheat" (great name for a band)
I think Fun Prevention Officers would be a good name for a band.
Rumour has it...
It's one of those Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman contracts
Think about what you know or may have heard about both of them. Then work it out.
Yup
Heard that loads of times.
Find it hard to believe to be honest, or maybe I'm just naive.
Maybe I'm naive
or just completely out of touch, but I don't have any idea what you're on about. I don't know what you mean by a TC/NK contract. I can't think of how terms of a contract could then fit the second line of your post with what I know about Cashley and Cheryl.
Any possibility of putting a bit more substance on this, if only to let me know what the TC/NK contract said in broad terms.
at the risk of having m'learned friends crawling
all over the gaff, it's been suggested on websites more scurrilous than this that Katie isn't really, um, Tom Cruises 'type'; meanwhile, in Hollywood, to be a leading man, it helps to have the right profile.
I believe the phrase is "beard".
As in Nicole Kidman was Tom Cruise beard and same for Cheryl and Ashley. I wonder whether the alleged photos that Ashley took were intended for a lady or not?
Well quite
Calling all women! Do you actually want to have pictures of men's cocks sent to you?
Point of clarification
Five-centres, I think you should be clear that you were not offering...
And, purely to be accurate, surely it is pictures of extremely wealthy, incredibly fit athlete's cocks. Might make a difference.
My wife's mobile...
...pinged one morning at 5am a while back. The sound woke her, so she checked. It was a text message from her agent, a gay fellow - we'll call him Martin.
'Oofft... What does Martin want at 5am on a Sunday?' she grizzled. 'Oh my...'
She was treated to a picture of Martin's pink oboe in a state of no little tumescence. Later that day, Martin called to say a friend had been messing with his phone while he was asleep, sending messages to random names in the contacts list. Mmmm... suuuure he was. Turned out the name of Martin's then-beau was nestled next to my wife's in the contacts list. Woops.
So, blokes sex-texting other blokes does happen. Who knew?!
No.
Ok, I get the picture
Yes I see.
"I get the picture"
Arf!
Footballers...
I used to play for a half decent park XI. Our manager gets a phone from the goalie.
"Yeah, Dave if the wife calls on a Wednesday, we're training, right?"
For this non-existent training night was the night he went out with his bit on the side. It was a bit hard when he used to bring his kids to watch the game, I can tell you.
Training. A ready made excuse...
3 years..?
..thats a golden wedding in those circles, isn't it?
John & Yoko x trends =
Sometimes I think there's "the dream" - a decade-and-a-half ago marriage and especially having kids were unfashionable, then, as with the ever-turning spiral of inner/outer/work/home life trends, both became something to aspire to. Having rejected home as outmoded, we all went out to work, craved a forward-facing life set in the future; not one already mapped out by previous generations (especially our parents). Then, the wear and tear of commerce began to tell, and people started looking inwards for nourishment and spiritual security; cue the creation of children, as new people to shower us with real love, prove our genuine existence; and the inevitable fashion accessory tag effect, which, led by the likes of Posh, meant loads of young girls suddenly wanted to have their own little Brooklyn to parade around. Ditto getting married; the outside world is hard, so let's grab some reassurance where we can. Marriage is 'real', shows we're committed as individuals and have a love that is something pure. We live in - and aspire to - our times of keeping (it) 'real'. Cue #2: revival of marriage.
How many people in their twenties do you see wearing engagement rings these days? A lot more than in the 90s, that's for sure.
Equally, I think celebrities and anyone in a creative industry tends to live within a heightened sense of being; emotions are rendered more vivid than in what could otherwise be considered real life. Look how many people in plays have flings, how many couples form during the productions of films. Emotions are being traded front-of-house, and the spill soaks backstage, too. That's not to say that these feelings are wrong, or even right, but I think if you then multiply this effect by the aggrandizing waft of celebrity (and a world crawling with Yes People) you end up with the likes of John & Yoko having to document every single aspect of their relationship - because it's somehow a cosmic thing that needs to be communicated. It was one thing in the 70s, when the Ono-Lennons were at it, but add in the rabid mass media looking out for soap-trains (as opposed to gravy trains) to jump on, and you have relationships that form in public, and run at a heightened sense of experience, and with an exaggerated sense of their own self-importance.
Plus, someone wrote that Cherly-Ashley press release in an attempt to cast their relationship as a Cinderella story-in-the-making.
The main difference between ourselves and footballers...
They have WAGs
We have FPOs
I suspect there is a world of difference between the two...
WAGs
See that's where John Terry and Ashley Cole get confused. Its Wives and Girlfriends in their minds when it should be Wife or Girlfriend.
So it should not be WAG's, but...
... WO - er, best not go there.
Despite what Cheryl might
Despite what Cheryl might have said about being together, I think the assumed "forever" just doesn't figure with that many people any more. For old farts such as some of us, marriage is about a lifelong commitment, for better for worse, in sickness etc etc. But many people see it as a chapter in life. "If it works out, great, if not then move on." I can't remember what song it was (Rod Stewart?) but there's a lyric:
"Marriage vows should be like a dog licence
Renew it when the year runs out."
The other side of the coin would be to revert to the days when divorce was very hard to obtain. Do we want to go back to the days when couples stayed together not just in empty marriages but in utterly depressing, abusive, demeaning and/or rotten ones? Far better we learn how to handle spilts as amicably as possible and hope people can remain, if not friends, at least civilised.
Cupid is blind and he fires his arrows anywhere. Full marks to Cheryl for trying hard to make it work, commiserations for her sadness and good luck to her in future. Move on, girl, and be happy.
Is there pressure on them to get married?
I know nothing about football, but it strikes me that if you've paid millions for a player, the relative stability of marriage must be preferable to the alternative.
Indeed
Apparently Sir Alex Ferguson likes his players to be settled down and encourages them to do so.
presumably this is why footballers and their
cronies trawl the perfume counters etc of Manchester shops handing out invites to shop assistants to attend "wedding fairs" oddly held late at night in swish hotels. The idea that even ferguson has this sort of sway is highly amusing.
et voila!
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/ferguson_like_players_married.asp
"he likes his players to get married in general. He said they're more stable and you know where they are."
Even if
their wives don't.
Their wives know exactly where they are.
If they're not at training or in front of the PlayStation they're getting sucked off out the back of Chinawhites. Simple.
Oh well if the website of football record
"soccer training info.com" has prove of it case closed! I'm sure Ferguson wants his back four never to let any goals through it still happens and most managers are too busy collecting bungs or buying villas in Dubai to spend too much time wondering whether Rio Ferdinand would like fish knives or Antimacassars for his bottom draw.
Jesus
I only suggested that Ferguson prefers his players married and encourages it, not that he forces them to do so or that they comply.
"Marriage helps footballers. It is good for the stability of a footballer to get married. They settle down. You know where they are." - Alex Ferguson
Fergie is oversimplifying it
I got married and my football skills didn't change one bit. In fact, I found more pressure to go shopping on a Saturday rather than play - has he thought about that? Shows he doesn't know what he's talking about if you ask me......
I'd assumed
it was something to do with SAF making sure their kit got washed.
Just in case Cheryl is reading this
I'm a single man.
Ah-ha
Does this mean I win the duel for Zooey Deschanel?
No
It just means I'm keeping my options open. Ashley Cole is a role model of mine. Ahem.
Getting her mojo back...
I can see the new model Rabbit sex toy advert now - (said in a Geordie accent) "I've got me mojo back!"
"5 problems, 1 solution"
Did anyone else think that advert tagline was a reference to Girls Aloud & Cheryl's solo career?
From first principles
Celebrities only ever marry 2 types of people:
1) Other celebrities (because that's the best way they can guard against the partner just being after the money and/or fame), or
2) Childhood sweethearts (because they knew them before the money and fame came along.)
Whereas us "civilians" tend to marry only for love (temporary as that may prove to be), celebs in segment 1) above can also marry to build their respective "brands" ("the passing of heat from a hotter body to a cooler one" as memorably described in The Larry Sanders Show.)
Marriage is a contract in any case and can be invalidated by infidelity, the difference being that in a marriage for love, the key thing is not to shag around full stop, whereas in a celebrity marriage the key thing is not to let the press find out you're shagging around and make the wife look like an idiot...
They also
Marry the hired help. Didn't Liz Taylor marry her builder?
Fair point
And didn't Gary Numan marry his stalker? Now that's something we should see more of...
As did Agnetha from ABBA.
Oh if I was single, perhaps I'd just spend my days lurking outside Cheryl Cole's house just in case she fancied continuing this fine tradition...
Hem hem...ABBA stalker...nutter...
No, it was worse than that, much worse.
The Swedish Policewoman tells it pretty straight...around 5:20
She wasn't a stalker
she ran his fan club. She was a fan. It's hardly stalking.
He'd be easy to stalk...
just look for the bloke in the syrup who looks like an android in the plane that's landing.
"Landing ..."?
"Crashing", surely?
Egad, sir!
I would suggest that Richard Burton was rather more than a builder :-)
You're right
According to this he does
* Light Carpentry & Brickwork
* Fitted Kitchens & Bathrooms
* Painting & Decorating
* Garden Tidying & Jet Wash
* Competitive Prices
* Free Quotes & Portfolio
http://www.yell.com/b/Local+Handyman+_+Richard+Burton-Handyman+Services-...
Whoa!
Surely you're not suggesting Liz Taylor as a role model for enduring marriage?
Rose tinted view
David...you make it sound like the two of them had the wisdom of foresight. Is it naive to say that they were smitten and marriage seemed the natural thing to do. In hindsight we all roll our eyes and say, "Ho Ho, that was inevitable...he is a footballer after all." But at the time, he wasn't thinking of the mudanities that come with marriage, his own at-the-time focused libido and the future temptations that were bound to present themselves as a footballer. He only had eyes for Cheryl and quite rightly so.
I agree that they seemed too young for marriage but I can't honestly say that I wouldn't have done the same at that age.
Right...cynic is back. Don't know what came over me.
Because they
were young, naive and mistook rampant lust for love. Shall those among us that did the same form an orderly queue?
I think the sequence of events was...
- Cheryl goes to court on suspicious of racially-motivated assault
- Rumours surface surrounding Ashley's sexuality
- Cheryl and Ashley get married
I realise this comment is a libel case waiting to happen but, basically, we don't know these two people one jot. We know about them and what they do and where they go, but I've no idea of the kind of people they are. So - and call me naive - there's every possibility they got married because they were in love and wanted to make a commitment to each other forever.
Incidentally, I can't get over why he'd ever do such a thing. I mean, you don't stop for a greasy, street-corner burger when you know there's fillet steak waiting for you at home, do you?
Sometimes, if I'm hungry
I'll eat a packet of crisps whilst waiting for my dinner to cook.
"Incidentally, I can't
get over why he'd ever do such a thing. I mean, you don't stop for a greasy, street-corner burger when you know there's fillet steak waiting for you at home, do you?"
Clint Eastwood said something like, "Remember, every time you see a beautiful woman, there's someone out there who's bored of having sex with her".
That's brilliant
The implication being that Clint knows what that's like.
One man's err.. meat
Strangely, I don't find Cherrull particularly attractive - more of a night-before kebab.
I have no doubt that her and Cole had deep feelings for each other after they met, and maybe he, or she, thought they could tie the other down by getting married.
I think you also have to take into consideration that neither of them is apparently Mensa material.
Speaking of which, are the maths questions getting harder when posting?
chpping in
Question - are baby books 'ghosted' like autobigraphies ??
Cheryl has probably come to the conclusion that her career is on the up, she's chummy with Cowell, may break into America and Ashley has done enough wrong that she will walk away with a good settlement.
As to celebrity marriages - what about Katy Price and her quickie in Vegas? probably done to spite Mr Andre and to raise £1.5m in exclusive wedding shots.
Footballers always married earlier than most people
It is ridiculous that this trend has continued into the £500k pcm era. I can understand that in the 60s, 70s and 80s marriage was seen by clubs as a settling influence, so that footballers could concentrate on their footie and family and not spend the days in pubs and bookies. I'm sure club officials felt it was helpful for them to have a GLW to look after them.
But in the modern era, where clubs do absolutely everything for them anyway and the culture is largely away from pubs and eating chips on the way home from training, there isn't the same imperative. But the early marriage trend continues.
I do wonder if the no-gay-men aloud (sic) culture that exists in footie, contributes to this. Unmarried Freddie Ljundberg got a ? over his sexuality when I believe he did absolutely the right thing - spent his 20s in the company of beautiful female models.
Why Cole married Cheryl?
Bleedin' obvious, no?
Weddings - just a chance to show off
Could be wrong, but I sense that there is a huge growth in the practice of getting married, just to have a bigger party than anybody else you know.
The amount of money spent by a growing number of wannabees is absolutely staggering. This runs down the income chain and can, by the sheer size of the bill, put the future happiness of the loving couple under great strain.
I'm going to 2 weddings later this year.
One couple barely scrape through the month without adding further to their sizeable overdraft. The wedding is going to cost them £20,000.
The other couple are slightly better off, but are borrowing more than that to really pull out all the stops. Total cost over £40,000.
I'm sure both wedding parties will be fantastic.
Maybe they won't spend quite so much next time.
You might have something there
Some years back I joined a company, and the receptionist had gotten engaged just before I started. Over the next year leading up to the wedding she never stopped talking about the wedding, the dress, the honeymoon and so on, though my suspicions were aroused by the fact that she never ever mentioned her fiance (I only even found out his name when the invitation arrived.)
Clearly the wedding was more important than the marriage - it lasted less than a 12 months...
My FPO and I drove her rattling 2CV to the register office
followed by a picnic. Total cost, about £35. We were poor but happy.
I wore a purple velvet jacket and flares - the wedding photographs are hidden away for ever.
(and it were all fields round here back then etc)
I do hope
you took the seats out of the car for your picnic.
Cheryl n& Ashley
not sure if Cheryl Cole dreamt of Wag-dom but this is an interesting read...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/feb/16/why-women-wags-john-t...
It's all the rage
There was a story on the Beeb only this week (One Show?) where finally parents are kicking up a fuss about the adult stuff aimed at kids - y'know the stuff...pole dancing kits, mags, etc. This featured a t-shirt for tiny teenys with the slogan "Future Footballer's Wife".
Can't remember if it was for both boys and girls...
As for Tiger Woods...
...I think his "people" might have suggested that it was good for his image to get married in the first place...
Funny headline in Private Eye
re WAG scandals; 'Wife Agrees To Give Husband's Money Another Chance.'
I think Mr. Hepworth's original theory has a lot going for it. A big marriage is all over the media and raises the profile. Jordan is the queen of this kind of marketing.
'Building the Brand'
Agreed. A lot of it seems to come down to building their celebrity 'brand'. A celebrity couple will tend to have a higher profile than the individuals in it - Posh and Becks, Katie Price and Peter Andre, and so on - so getting married becomes the logical next step in the tabloid soap of their life.
I sometimes wonder
if celebrities have a sort of inbuilt sense of their life as a narrative and are therefore aware of the need for it to have certain dramatic beats.
flogging her car, now...
Something must be afoot, she's selling her car on Autotrader. Obviously to subsidize the 'hit'...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/CARS/news/AUTOTRADER/CELEBRITYCARS...
Why does ANYONE get married?
The Office for National Statistics (whoever they are, and however reliable they may be) claimed last year that only 10% of first marriages will last 60 years or more, and that 45% of first marriages now end in divorce.
I don't actually think Cherashley are any different from any young professional married couple whose primary commitment is to their career, and they're certainly not worthy of any sociological scrutiny that the rest of us aren't; early marriages are often undertaken because it's something you do if you want to get on and fit in, and in that respect it's no different to the way it was for my parents and grandparents.
Your theory is that: "Contemporary stardom breeds really short attention spans. Today's stars don't believe they're alive unless they're reading about themselves in the papers". You can replace stardom with ambition and reading about oneself with any kind of professional validation, and it applies - or applied - to pretty much everyone of my friends my age or younger.
P J O'Rouke got it right
Marry your second wife first.