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Who's still smoking?

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‘Impossible to sustain a smoking habit in London these days’, so says Benedict Cumberbatch as Stephen Moffatt’s re-working of the Sherlock Holmes character. The same could probably be said for the rest of the country of course. Does anyone still smoke the way people used to, all day every day, at work, at home and at leisure? Surely expense and the difficulty of finding somewhere it is permitted to smoke, especially at work, a total obstacle to the dedicated nicotine fiend.
I’ve added my smoking history in the comments to avoid cluttering the page. Add your smoking thoughts, past and present, too.

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Tobaccco - a personal history

I went from cradle to about 18 without smoking regularly (occasional sneaked cigs while hidden the local wood were the best way to get out of actually following the proscribed course of cross country runs). More frequent indulgence began at college and Old Holborn quickly got replaced by Duma, which was rebranded as Drum and remains my fag of choice, in stick-thin rollies so fine that filters have to be cut in half lengthways to fit. Sometimes I have favoured the Camel light, especially if picking up a load of them in an airport but hand-rolling has been my consistent vice.

Sometimes, of course, I have stopped altogether for a while, be it days, weeks or months. At the most, in the days when smoking was a lot easier and more acceptable than it is know, I would go through an ounce of Drum and a pack of Marlboro reds in a week, and had the nicotine stained fingers to show for it. These days a small pack of Drum and a pack of blue Rizzla will last the best part of a fortnight (‘Well, that’s not going to kill you’ was my doctor’s surprisingly insouciant response when I gave her an honest description of my smoking habit on my last visit.) And the smoking ban has made me more likely to take tobacco to the pub, though not restaurants and gigs, because it provides the perfect excuse to nip outside for a few minutes of personal space once in a while.

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Gatz | 7 October 2010 - 8:43am

I still dabble because...

in the right hands a cigarette looks very cool, (although probably not mine, alas).

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Prestonia | 7 October 2010 - 9:08am

The right profile

I misread this as "In the right hand, a cigarette looks very cool" and thought it rather specific : - ).

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epigone | 11 October 2010 - 1:39pm

Like a chimney

But at RMB 15 (approx. GBP 1.50) a packet financially I can afford to. Were I living in the UK, I'd probably follow you on the weekly small pack of Drum.

Do you remember when people used to offer the fags around before lighting-up? Yep, it's still like that in Asia.

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James EB | 7 October 2010 - 9:09am

Not really.

I'll have the very occasional fag to accompany the occasional pint on a night out. If I go out on the pop, about one time in three I'll smoke. That's it. I probably average about 2 a month, but there might be whole stretches of time where I don't touch one. Sometimes it's just what I fancy; other times it makes me feel physically ill. I treat it like strong drink: taken sparingly as a very occasional treat on the rare occasions I want it.

I smoked quite a bit in my late teens and early twenties, though. Gave up properly just before meeting the now-GLW, and had a brief relapse during my PGCE. I'm not in any sense a "smoker" now though.

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Bob | 7 October 2010 - 9:13am

Like An Active Volcano

fool that I am, no interest in quitting though. I demand that everyone I know must buy me fags every time they even think about getting on a plane. They're €8.55 a pack here.

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Pat Carty | 7 October 2010 - 9:17am

Pretentious? Moi?

I started smoking in my early twenties. Being the pretentious type, I decided that there was no way I was smoking the same crap as all the proles so I used to go to the - now long gone - tobacconist on George IV Bridge in Edinburgh and buy Gauloises Extra Mild rolling tobacco. I'd roll them by hand with a slimline filter in batches of ten and carry them around in a tarnished cigarette case. Boy, was I insufferable but they were delicious cigarettes.

I always told myself I was a habitual rather than addicted smoker, never more than ten or so a day unless I was going out. This turned out to be true when I got out of the habit after meeting my other half. She got a bit tired of nicotine-flavoured smooching so I stopped.

Nowadays I tend to get the urge when I'm hill-walking. There is nothing so tasty as a good roll-up when you reach the top of a munro - it must be the perverse combination of fresh and foul air.

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Con Coleman | 7 October 2010 - 9:23am

Open air

Oh yes. On a good walk a ciggie while taking in a glorious view is one of the finest experiences known to man.

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Gatz | 7 October 2010 - 9:30am

28 years

And still going strong, sort of. I know I shouldn't, but I do. I don't enjoy every single one, but nothing could come close to replacing the feeling I get with the ones I do enjoy. Besides, my wife smokes far more than me so it's impossible to even try to give up.

But I welcome the smoking ban. As inconvenient as it is - and it does rather break up the party sometimes unless the party moves outside which happens often - it stops me smoking as much as I would if it wasn't in existence. I smoke considerably less on a night out than I do at home. I'm so used to not being able to smoke anywhere it's really no longer an issue.

One day it'll be banned in your own house, your car, even outside. That day's surely coming. I don't know why people are so over-zealous about smoking, especially in the US. Pull out your gun and no one bats an eye. Get a fag out on the other hand...

There's a great picture of my dad putting me (as a baby) into a car seat and the fag in his mouth is literally inches from my face. These days social services would be involved. Ah those salad days, eh?

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Five-Centres | 7 October 2010 - 9:29am

39 years old and smoked for a solid 20 of those.

Gave up two years ago.
Went cold turkey and avoided any friends who smoked for a while and it worked.
I still occasionally "puff" on a pen just to see how I feel about the whole need and action of smoking.
It will never truly leave me.

But I am gradually turnng into one of those people who will move away from someone who is smoking becaue it literally makes me sick.
Eating lunch outside with a smoker nearby will upset me these days and I will move.

I am not rude or judgemental to smokers but I have left it behind.

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Blue Sky | 7 October 2010 - 9:34am

Haven't smoked for 15 years

I fully understand the idea that smoking is pleasurable but, in reality, it's a terrible delusion. Don't miss it at all.

I read a quote once along the lines of: "The only pleasure of smoking is relieving the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal; symptoms that only smoking gives you."

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Brookster | 7 October 2010 - 9:53am

Yup

Nobody smokes their first tab and says 'Cor! It's lovely that, dead relaxing'. You have to work to get yourself hooked on the nicotine and the pleasure comes from feeding that addiction.

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Spartacus Mills | 7 October 2010 - 10:06am

Indeed

And smokers are definitely not, as a rule, a group of blissed-out and relaxed people. Quite the opposite.

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Brookster | 7 October 2010 - 10:22am

15 years since I smoked too

Possibly aided by the fact that the Lady Pharmacist who sold me Nicorrette
was the most beautiful Woman I had ever seen.
I had no choice but to give up smoking and marry her.
I'm now a gym going, half marathon running fitness bore with 2 lovely Kids and a beautiful Pharmacist wife.
Don't miss smoking at all :-)

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Mrxsg | 7 October 2010 - 2:21pm

It seems to me

It seems to me that you made a bloody good swap.

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jackthebiscuit | 7 October 2010 - 9:26pm

That was the Giving Up Guru

Allen Carr that said that, (more or less). His book works for a lot of people too, (he died from lung cancer a few years ago, several decades after swearing off).

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Prestonia | 7 October 2010 - 5:31pm

I'd be interested to know

how many 20 year olds smoke now as opposed to, say, 20 years ago. I don't smoke, I never have and very few of my friends do. Growing up, smoking wasn't that common and also, it's incredibly expensive.

I wasn't bothered either way when the smoking ban was introduced, but I think it's definitely been a good thing. It's so nice not to come home from a pub not smelling like an ashtray.

However, I can't deny, in the right hands, smoking looks damn cool

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Joe R | 7 October 2010 - 10:30am

You want numbers? I'll give you numbers...

From Cancer Research UK - you can even download a spreadsheet, if you really want.

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Gauntlet | 7 October 2010 - 11:13pm

Note the large dip at 60+

Quite sobering. This isn't showing that the over 60s suddenly pack in the fags - it's because the smokers that would have been there are no longer with us.

Another sobering nugget was the doctor who pointed out to a "well-fed" friend of mine that you hardly ever see an overweight person over 70. "Why do you think that is?", said the doctor. My friend, being in his early 60s, decided to change his ways just on the strength of that.

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Austin | 8 October 2010 - 2:41am

MathsBoy strikes again

I'd probably be quite interested to download that spreadsheet...

The trend there is pretty much as I expected though, to be honest, I'm surprised the percentages are still so high. How do people under the age of 25 even afford to smoke?

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Joe R | 8 October 2010 - 9:08am

I think we should...

...have another MathsBoy hashtag pile-on. Largely because I've never had so many retweets...

:-D

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Bob | 8 October 2010 - 9:46am

"hashtag pile-on"

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Joe R | 8 October 2010 - 4:40pm

.

hashtag pile-on #fakesexacts

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DogFacedBoy | 8 October 2010 - 5:31pm

Effing Hell

I have no idea what you lot are on about. I'm so distraught at my out-of-touchness, I'm taking up fags again.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 8 October 2010 - 5:52pm

'Ave ye gotta light

bouy?

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James Blast | 8 October 2010 - 10:53pm

Not any more

Gave up about 6 years ago and haven't had one since. I was an on and off sort of smoker - my post divorce years were my peak. I had money and time. Cigarettes help me use a bit of both. My abiding memory of cigarettes is that horrible one you can sometimes have after a lot of drink, normally about 12:30 am, in a club. The one that turns you dizzy and makes you feel sick. If I smell cigarette smoke now, that's the feeling I get. It's quite handy.

My Mum and Dad both smoked like troopers but have given up due to the massive scare of Mum being diagnosed with Emphysema whilst in New Zealand. The journey back nearly killed her.

And I have kids now. The thought of them taking up smoking is unbearable.

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Leedsboy | 7 October 2010 - 10:37am

5 Years Now

I started smoking at 16 and stopped at 36 although by then I'd had 3 goes at stopping smoking that had lasted 6 months and maybe 20 or 30 goes that had gone 5 to 7 days. At 36 I worked out that I'd smoked for half my life.

That wasn't the reason I stopped though. I stopped because it was making me ill, it made me cough, really cough. I am either lucky or unlucky that I don't have the lungs for smoking. If I didn't have the coughing, and the dreaded fear of getting out of bed for setting off the smokers cough, I'd probably still be smoking now. My grandad died young way before I was born due to smoking. Now being 41 I have seen several people I have known die because of smoking, it can happen very quickly, my wifes friend's mother worked hard with her husband to build up a sucessful business which they sold for several million in their early 60's. Shortly afterwards she went the doctor with chest pains and 8 weeks later she was dead, thats 8 weeks - 50 days or so, 50 days to lose half your body weight and die in unspeakable agony, and never got to enjoy the profits of her hard work, never got to see her grand children, and all because of what? Smoking.

Not that stopped me of course, neither did watching a work friend of mine die in in his mid fourties of lung cancer, neither did a friends mother being too ill to hold her grandchild and dieing days later

And now I have to live the rest of my life wondering if it will be cut short by lung cancer because of a foolish choice I made as a naive and impressionable 16 year old, or will my weakened lungs let me down with a heavy dose of flu?

Still, smoking, relaxes you for a few seconds. Carry on.

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apend01 | 7 October 2010 - 11:15am

Stop Worrying

"...now I have to live the rest of my life wondering if it will be cut short by lung cancer..."

Actually- you gave up at a very good age. See

http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7455/1519.full

and look at Fig.4.
Stopping between the ages of 35 to 44, means your mortality curve is VERY similar to someone who never smoked. The text states "and those who stopped before middle age gained about 10 years and had a pattern of survival similar to that of men who had never smoked"
I hope that's of some reasurrance.

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milesc | 9 October 2010 - 4:39pm

Could never do it

*pet peeve / rant alert*

Grew up watching my father (a life long smoker) die a slow, lingering death of lung cancer. He was gone before I was 12, along with him my childhood. The very thought of smoking just makes my mind boggle - the idea of potentially inflicting what I went through as a child on my own offspring (should any arrive) is too horrible to contemplate.

And then a couple of years later, my maternal grandmother (a smoker also) went through the same thing. So that was my teens destroyed, too. I spent more of my childhood in hospital and comforting my mother, than I did in a playground.

Some will say that my father had a choice - and he did - but he was in his sixties when he died (having had me very late in life) which was the late 80s. So he probably started smoking at some point in the 1930s, where I suspect the health advice was less commonly heeded.

So, through my particular lens, I view smokers as selfish idiots, poisoning themselves and hurting their families, and tobacco companies as the devil. Sorry.

Also, don't get me started on people who throw cigarette ends out of the car window or just drop them on the floor in the streets. Fuckwits to a man. Who do they think is going to pick them up, and what the hell gives them the sense of entitlement? (And let's not start on the "But I pay more taxes". Don't care. You're being a dick. Stop it.)

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itf | 7 October 2010 - 11:24am

Good post

All you say makes perfect sense and I agree with every word.

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mojoworking | 7 October 2010 - 1:41pm

I am sincerely sorry to hear of your troubles.

But as a smoker I take exception to being referred to as a "selfish idiot" "fuckwit" and "dick".I wonder if you would have the nuts to use those terms of abuse to my face,somehow I doubt it.
Maybe at sometime in the future when my life has become less stressful I may give up the evil weed,If and when that day comes I shall strive to not become a sanctimonious blowhard.

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Pencilsqueezer | 7 October 2010 - 5:49pm

Keep Britain Tidy

I didn't think that the insults were being aimed at smokers but at litterers. If you're not a litterer then they surely don't apply to you.

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JohnW | 7 October 2010 - 6:04pm

You can take exception all you like

but that is how he and many others feel and the evidence tends to back up the assertion.

No need to be nasty as the comment was directed not at you personally more at the habit and the littering. Its amazingly selfish to not want to dirty the ashtrsy in your car with your butts but be happy to treat the streets we share as one large ashtray.

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Gramsci | 7 October 2010 - 6:09pm

Thanks I will.

No I don't drop litter not even cigarette stubs and I am not seeking to defend a nasty addictive habit but it wasn't me that started the name calling so if you can't take a bit back don't start it.

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Pencilsqueezer | 7 October 2010 - 6:14pm

Erm.

I can take plenty of name calling, and have for much of my life, boringly enough, I'm less clear why you've taken it so personally.

However, I *DO* think - and will defend - the idea that people who drop their cigarette ends in the street, often unextinguished, or throw them out of their car windows, are fuckwits and dicks. They are. Please forgive the casual swearing, though - not big or clever.

I do also think that smokers (well, let's be more specific - smokers who smoke around non-smokers, and smokers with families - and OK, I'll include my dead father in this for the sake of argument) are both selfish and idiots. They're idiots because the very idea of smoking is - almost de facto - a bit of an idiotic thing to do. And they're selfish if they have kids or even spouses because their actions may well have consequences for them. Maybe they'll get lucky, maybe you don't have kids so it's not relevant. But my mother had to raise me on her own while coping with her own grief, and then subsequently lost her mother. Both lung cancer. Both possibly preventable.

Anyway, don't take it personally. I'm just very bitter about the tobacco industry as a whole, sad that it's still as prevelant as it is despite years of health education and literring with fag ends gets to me on numerous levels (it seems to be the rule, not the exception, in Manchester city centre).

And yes, I put my money where my mouth is in the real world. "You seem to have dropped something" nearly always engenders a look as if *I'm* the asshole, though... I'll get punched one day, I'm sure.

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itf | 7 October 2010 - 8:11pm

I fully understand your personal rancour towards smoking.

As I stated earlier I do not drop litter of any kind.No I do not have children,but that's a private matter.I make strenuous efforts to not inflict my habits on others.Yet on many,many occasions lately complete strangers seem to think that they can make the most disgustingly rude comments to me in the street simply because I happen to be smoking.These comments are ALWAYS made from a safe distance and are usually followed by the swift departure of the speaker.You are of course fully entitled to your opinion,as I stated above I understand your reasons for your stance but I don't like being regarded as a "selfish idiot" because I indulge in something you do not approve of,in all probability there will be some aspect of your life that I would regard as selfish and idiotic,I hope I would not be quite so judgemental.Peace.

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Pencilsqueezer | 7 October 2010 - 8:49pm

Truce?

I absolutely wouldn't have a go at someone in the street smoking in general (as I've said before, I would for dropping their cig butt, but I think we both agree that isn't acceptable) - you're right, it's your / their life choice. I'd cross the street to avoid the smoke if it was blowing in my face, and that's about it. I'm genuinely sad people have abused you in the street, it's indefensible and I'm 100% in agreement with you.

I'm well aware that my hatred of smoking is borderline irrational, and I know the reasons behind it. I'll never change on that front, and I try not to direct it to anyone personally.

If you'd like some ammo, I'm quite fond of biscuits (but I'm trying to quit). It's not selfish, but I'll admit it is idiotic.

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itf | 7 October 2010 - 8:58pm

I think you two

have mapped out the reasonable behaviour and the unreasonable behaviour perfectly well.

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Leedsboy | 7 October 2010 - 9:09pm

What kind of

biscuits and have you 'taken tea' with them?

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James Blast | 7 October 2010 - 9:18pm

Plenty of tea

But only 1 sugar these days, not 2. So, progress on all fronts.

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itf | 7 October 2010 - 9:29pm

Lay off the 2Hs

and try weening yourself onto a 4B old son; he was laying into the sort of selfish dickweed tosspot who lobs his fag ends out of the car window rather than stub it out in the ashtray, which is a very reasonable point of view.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 7 October 2010 - 6:22pm

Prefer Charcoal for drawing.

Or on occasion a 2B pencil.

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Pencilsqueezer | 7 October 2010 - 6:55pm

I'm a

2HB man

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James Blast | 7 October 2010 - 7:27pm

There is nothing more

sanctimonious than an ex-smoker, but it really was nothing personal PS.

The reason I'm so boringly evangelical about this is because I lost both my parents to lung cancer when they were in their early 50s and I was in my late teens.

It was such a traumatic experience that I'm still dealing with it now, 40 years later.

For them and countless others, smoking was nothing less than a self-imposed death sentence.

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mojoworking | 8 October 2010 - 12:31am

I do not wish to fall out with anyone

So yes a truce is required.I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your loved ones.I know smoking is a pernicious and deadly habit,one I hope to be able to quit.
I lost my own dearly loved Father last January,he died in my arms in the hallway of our home.He collapsed with a massive heart attack which I later found out was likely caused by his love of fatty foods.This does not mean I regard everyone I see eating a bacon sandwich a fool.It's not as if they are doing something really unpleasant such as listening to U2,so I live and let live.If someone does not like me smoking near them I don't but they have to be polite in their request or they are going to swiftly find themselves in a fight.Anyway enough,I have not taken any serious umbrage and I hope you all have not taken any with me.Pax.
Oh,one last thing,Mr Fox don't call me "old son" you patronising git.Just joking.

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Pencilsqueezer | 8 October 2010 - 8:17am

Brilliant Idea

Anyone wanting to listen to U2 has to go and stand outside in the rain.

Which is what will probably happen at Glasters next June (they can't have TWO hot ones on the trot, Shirley?)

"Two Hot Ones" live in the studio tonight, more from them later...

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Vulpes Vulpes | 8 October 2010 - 5:57pm

Second hand noise

I love the "listening to U2" analogy with smoking. I'm sure people that listen to U2 don't think it's unpleasant and I have no problem in them listening as long as they don't make me listen as well!

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JohnW | 8 October 2010 - 7:05pm

Sweet Afton, Camels (full strength of course) and,

when I could get them, Boyards, the finest cigarettes known to homme-kind. For 24 years. Still addicted. Haven't touched one for 10 years. Still miss it. Don't start, kids!

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Vulpes Vulpes | 7 October 2010 - 11:25am

I've made very few unequivocally correct decisions in my life,

but the decision never to smoke a cigarette was one.

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duco01 | 7 October 2010 - 11:37am

Gave up theoretically when I met my wife

So - 21 years ago. In PRACTICE gave up completely this year. I was only buying maybe a packet of 10 a week but the office I was in, and in recent times the project I was on meant it was part of a sort of ritual to get away from the screen, and also a nice interlude a couple of times during the day with some really funny people. Not such fun in the depths of winter. Also it was very stressful at work for years and years and a puff sort of blotted something out in my head - which isn't such a pleasant thought.

Different office - often work at home actually - realised I didn't want ciggies at all any more and the pleasure of having the occasional perfect one was outweighed by the guilt of doing it at all. It sort of - went away

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FakeGeordie | 7 October 2010 - 12:30pm

Giving up now

...as it happens- have been for about 20 years.

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Stuart Graham | 7 October 2010 - 12:51pm

keep trying

It took numerous attempts to finally sever my alliance with Nick O' Teen. On and off, I smoked tobacco (mostly rollies, which I will concur are less revolting than tailor-mades) from age 16 till about 40 (I'm now 45). Later on, when out socially, the combination of a cheroot and a decent pint usually gave me a real buzz, and that's why I kept it up so long. But of course smoking is a stupid, pointless, antisocial, stinky habit, and it was making me quite evidently ill, and that's what finally got me to stop. Happily, at 45 I feel a LOT healthier than at 40.

Also, tobacco products are now so insanely inflated with tax, why prop up The Man purely to scratch an itch.

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PhilC | 7 October 2010 - 1:32pm

Since I was 13

I'm nearly 42 now. That's a scary thought. I wasn't one of the smoking crew at school, round the back of the bins. No, I started in secret and only my best mate knew. The look on the smoking crew's faces on the last day of school when I lit up a cig was priceless. Not long after that I started smoking at home, my mum was a smoker so there was a combination of not feeling able to tell not to, and welcoming a fellow smoker into the fold.

I gave up the week before my 30th birthday - a friend bet me that I couldn't give up and also that I couldn't last a year. I won that bet (£1000!!! Were we really made of money at that point?!?!?) and went on to be a non-smoker for 3 years. I also put on nearly 5 stone. I may have smelt better, but I certainly didn't look it. Although a programme of exercise did turn some of that bulk into muscle, which was a first.

Unfortunately a period of turmoil arose, some through my own doings and the cigs came calling again. I gave up the year before last when my wife got pregnant, but started again when my son was about 3 months, again because of a period of turmoil. Want to give up again.

It's not the same these days when every cigarette is outside. I used to enjoy a cig whilst sitting around watching a film or listening to music. I've not smoked indoors, even at home for over two years.

I do have the same waist measurements as when I was 25 again though.

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SimonL | 7 October 2010 - 2:12pm

Gave up 6 years ago

at the age of 47. Had tried several times before to no avail. My daughter was 5 years old and learning to read - she read the warnings on a packet of cigarettes and was upset beyond words that I might die as a result of smoking. Haven't touched one since and regard it as my best achievement in life.

As an aside my Uncle died in his 50's and was a heavy smoker and drank fairly large quantities of whiskey. After he had his first heart attack the doctor told him that the whiskey would kill him before the cigarettes.
So which is more dangerous?

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Steve Turner | 7 October 2010 - 2:25pm

It's just a lottery.

Me Dad died of lung cancer when he was 65. His Dad died of early-onset Alzheimer when he was 60. My Uncle Barry died of tobacco-conected throat cancer when he was 45. My Grandad and Grandma on me Mum's side made it to 85 despite smoking like chimneys for 70 years - he died when he fell of a stool when he was hanging some curtains. Me Uncle Lawrence is 70 now and has been a full-blown, bottle of vodka and 40 rollups a day alky for at least 25 years now. Meanwhile, I'll come in on a Friday night and open a bottle of claret and a pack of Marlboro light and have the only 4 hours of relaxation I'll get this week, and the missus starts tutting at me. I reckon it's stress that gives you cancer. But either way, it's starting to get to me that I've only got about 15-20 years left.

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bathmat | 7 October 2010 - 2:48pm

I think the statisticians would disagree

Your father and your uncle died of preventable diseases.

Off the top of my head, I think smoking accounts for 90% of all deaths from lung cancer.

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Brookster | 7 October 2010 - 3:14pm

But the statisticians would also agree

that about 100% of lives eventually end via death. And given that I'm 48 and to be frank, rapidly losing interest in the whole existence deal, 65s sounding about right.

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bathmat | 7 October 2010 - 5:20pm

You and me both mate

I find myself more frequently thinking of my own mortality. It doesn't help I suppose that I have seen a lot of death and illness this year and not just in the elderly.
I have thought about starting smoking again when I get to retirement age on the basis that ill health won't be such a frightener then.
However not sure the pension would sustain the habit!!

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Steve Turner | 7 October 2010 - 3:18pm

I smoked dope daily for about 15 years.

I gave it up because it was becoming a bigger pain in the neck to buy the stuff as I got older. A couple of town moves, a group of friends all getting older and giving up coupled with a dislike of having to deal with neds all combined to get me off it. Smoked rollies for six months then, when I moved in with the FPO I gave it up completely.

I now find I can read books, remember stuff and no longer tolerate action movies. This is all good.

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ganglesprocket | 7 October 2010 - 2:27pm

I bet

you were on first name terms with the bloke behind the counter at the 24 hour supermarket?

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mojoworking | 7 October 2010 - 2:54pm

There was a selection of them...

... all called "man" I think.

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ganglesprocket | 7 October 2010 - 2:56pm

oh yes I forgot about h@sh

I echo those sentiments. I was a viper (= pothead) for many years, mainly the old-fashioned resin stuff. Gave it up with the baccy -see above- and have not missed it one iota. I thought I would, but no. Plus it really wasn't doing my mental health any good at all spending most evenings in some sort of vague fug.

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PhilC | 7 October 2010 - 3:45pm

I haven't....

...been stoned since 2003, and even that was the first time in about 4 years. Don't miss it IN THE LEAST. It's possibly the most overrated drug in the world apart from most of all the other illegal ones.

Give me a pint every time.

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Bob | 7 October 2010 - 3:48pm

I ditched the pot

when I ditched the fags. The dangerous drug was doing me far more damage than the recreational one. Don't miss the dope much, but still hanker for a gasper from time to time.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 7 October 2010 - 6:25pm

Only when I'm drinking.

48 now. Gave up smoking during the day when I was 32, when I became a teacher. Now feel like smoking only if I have a drink, in which case it's a necessity. And since the hangovers are so bad these days, I only drink once a week. So it's taiing off..

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bathmat | 7 October 2010 - 2:29pm

Started

When i went to work at an insurance company in the City in the late 60s. Embassy, then Embassy No 1 for choice, B & H if not available. The guy three desks down smoked Capstan Full Strength untipped, and when the sun shone through the windows, he'd vanish in his own blue fog. My section head would go through 80 a day, and leave his ashtray looking like a mini Mount Etna when he left for home. But virtually everyone smoked, from the post clerks to the department manager, and I carried on through my career. Got worse when i joined the TA - see remarks re fresh and foul air above - that morning fag as daylight filtered through the depths of an October training day morning. And when I went to work in Germany in the 80s, with kingsize ciggies at tax free prices, you couldn't afford not to smoke.
Finally knocked it on the head almost exactly 15 years ago as we speak, a combination of rising cost, and a sudden enforced stay in hospital to have my appendix out. Never really bothered me , giving up, and I'm glad I did, though, oddly, I am a little nostalgic for the smell of tobacco smoke in pubs. Still, for what it's worth, I wouldn't reccomend it.

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policybloke1 | 7 October 2010 - 3:23pm

Not a single drag....ever

not one, never remotely tempted in my 51.58 years on this planet.

Having said that, my parents generation all smoed in our family so I spent my youth at family gatherings like a laboratory beagle.

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el toro calvo grande | 7 October 2010 - 3:52pm

I've decided to cut down on smoking and masturbation.

I've got down to about ten a day now, but I'm still smoking quite a lot.

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Lenny Law | 7 October 2010 - 4:12pm

Don't get them mixed up

it'll really hurt your back.

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Leedsboy | 7 October 2010 - 4:45pm

Approaching 10 years

I smoked for 20 years, the last few on roll-ups and a large pack (50gm or previously 2 oz) would only last me 3 days, if I was on tailor mades and I had a night out it could mean 50-60 a day, I was seriously thinking of getting a chimney fitted. Then in January 2001 I got fed up of walking into buildings and immediately looking for the smoking areas, fed up of that panic when the baccy was running low and it was a question of "Will it last until the morning?" I read the 'Allen Carr Easyway to Stop Smoking', stubbed out my last roll-up on 21st January at about 11:45pm, and I've never lit another.

My intolerance with smoking has increased ever since, at first I didn't mind people smoking next to me in my car even, nowadays I heave if I smell smoke on someone's clothes if they sit next to me on the tube, at a gig, a footy match, etc.

I truly believe it will be banned during my lifetime, if that's the case, then I'm glad - and proud - that I stopped for my own reasons when I did. I can empathise still with smokers and I pity them (in the true sense of the word), I'm not sure how I'd have coped with being a smoker and not be able to spark up in the pub.

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Neil Dyson | 7 October 2010 - 4:38pm

A cooler beginining

I wish I'd been inspired to start smoking by Jean-
Paul Belmondo in 'Au Bout de Souffle' (Tr: 'A Shoe Full of Eggs')it was the estate skinhead, Geoff Lowery, who started me off,.

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bathmat | 7 October 2010 - 5:31pm

My story

I started when I was a teenager as a by product of smoking ‘erb to practice inhaling (my how stupid that sounds now…) and smoked off and on till I started work in a non smoking office. This established a lifetime habit of only smoking after work (no daytime cigs at all) and only with a drink. I smoked between zero and 10 a day depending on what I was doing, and only Golden Virginia rollies. If I was out in the pub and had no GV I wouldn’t have a tailor made. Very specific habit! I gave up for up to 4 years at a stretch a few times and started again. Then last summer, what I thought was a bite then thought was a zit grew on my temple which turned out to be some sort of potentially cancerous growth (98% benign / 2% kill ya) and having had it removed I decided that one experience of big C waving over the horizon was quite enough for one lifetime, and give up during the week the cut from the removal operation was healing. That was 18 months ago and I haven’t fancied one since. I wish I’d done it years earlier, but hey. My Dad and a few grandparents all died of Big C so I probably will too but I see no reason to encourage it. Also I’m going to buy a motorbike because you regret the things you didn’t do.

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Twangothan | 7 October 2010 - 5:38pm

I know I don't smoke.

I don't inhale because it gives you cancer, but I look so incredibly handsome with a cigarette that I can't not hold one" - Woody Allen

I like songs about smoking thou

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DogFacedBoy | 7 October 2010 - 5:51pm

It's big and clever

if I could smoke in my sleep I would.

So there!

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James Blast | 7 October 2010 - 6:13pm

How do you smell?

My dog has no nose

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Uncle Wheaty | 7 October 2010 - 10:38pm

filthy habit

My mother was a heavy smoker and died of lung cancer. I gave up then. Maybe it will still kill me. Who knows. I know I only have myself to blame if it does. But if I ever come across an executive of a tobacco company in a dark alley......

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stuinwolves | 7 October 2010 - 7:10pm

The sign at the top says it all.

I've tried patches, gum, lozenges, cold turkey, Allen Carr's book
(worked beautifully for 2 years until a moment of drunken stupidity). Today I got a month's supply of Zyban, so this time (ahem).
What seemed incredibly cool and edgy at 16 now seems incredibly dumb. And bloody hard to kick.

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Mac45 | 7 October 2010 - 10:49pm

Not sure how that book would help

I can't stand him with that Justin Lee Collins...

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Joe R | 8 October 2010 - 9:08am

With more than a dash of irony..

The last time I smoked a cigarette was at the last Word London meet-up. My smoking, whilst never heavy, has tailed off gradually to pretty much nothing. The ban sealed it, really. I have the very occasional one every year or so. If the wife's not looking. And only ever when drink has been involved.

My insurance policies are the big worry. They all list me as a non-smoker. If I die suddenly, (a risk since my father did the same, a victim of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) post-mortem blood samples are taken and analysed for 2,5 dimethylsulphuran (I think) to check for smoking. If the levels indicate recent smoking, the policies are invalidated.

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Lenny Law | 7 October 2010 - 11:46pm

I've often wondered about policies....

I'd be an occasional smoker nowadays and I think the life insurance policy has me listed as a non-smoker. Do insurance companies make a ruddy fortune on 'occasional' smokers - collecting premia for yonks and then refusing to, ahem, cough up, cos you're 'a smoker'?

Do they reckon that people who are, like us, 'occasionals' will never bother ringing up to say 'by the way, you might want to untick that box and charge me an extra forty quid a year'?

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ivan | 8 October 2010 - 1:10am

Coincidentally....

I had written something on this and then didn't post it because I decided it was too boring.

Insurance companies are very black-and-white when it comes to smoking, and with long-term illness cover (where you get a payout on serious illness) is certainly very, very important to be truthful about smoking - even if it's one fag a year. As a rule of thumb, if you can say that you haven't smoked for three years - then you can declare with confidence that you are a non-smoker.

With Life Assurance cover, if you are in a workplace scheme - you are probably OK. However, a policy that has been set up in your name, where you have declared you are a non-smoker, is at risk of being invalid if you die. Most insurers will be reasonable if you are run over and killed by a tractor, but you can't rely on that. Especially if you were on your way to the tobacconist.

You can't be half-pregnant and you can't be a non-smoker who smokes the occasional fag every now and then. I know it sounds harsh, but imagine if an insurer actually defined levels of social smoking?

Smoking does increase the risk of death and serious illness, so it is fair that an insurer charges a higher premium.

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Austin | 8 October 2010 - 2:11am

Shit.

I hadn't realised that.

What are the chances of princessdimethylsultanabuhamza(23) cropping up in the blood if you only smoke socially, and very occasionally? Does anyone know?

On an average of, at worst, two fags a month, will that show up?

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Bob | 8 October 2010 - 10:04am

April Fool's Day

29 years ago I smoked my last one.

I'd only been a smoker for 5 years but that night I'd had to get a doctor in the middle of the night cos I couldn't breathe. He injected me with what I later found out was Ventolin, but I was so shit scared I never had another one.

I still take a preventive puff from an inhaler every day, I never had asthma as a kid. Even though both my parents smoked - when I think back now it must have been an awful atmosphere, especially in winter with the windows closed.

And while generally I hate the smell of tobacco smoke, every now and then a fleeting whiff has a certain nostalgic reminder of my childhood

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Mousey | 8 October 2010 - 12:44am

I smoke Gitanes...

... (thanks to my dad, but that's another story). You can't get them over here in the US so I buy them online, 10 cartons at a time. I only have one carton left and I'm seriously thinking that now's the time to stop. Get through that carton and don't re-order.

I've been a 20 a day man for about 35 years. God, it's going to be hard.

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Billybob Dylan | 8 October 2010 - 12:44am

When asked if I ever smoked

I reply "yes, but I gave up when I left school at 16"

Smoking was very much a rite of passage. Just as buying your first underage pint, first packet of three and glimpsing your first Playboy centrefold. Not just for boys. My wife was in hospital again a few weekends back, being interviewed by a nurse armed with a bureacrat's questionnaire. Asked when she started smoking her answer was so matter-of-fact but shocking.

Eight.

She smoked when I married her. She tried to give up when her health suffered. She gave up in 2006 after pneumonia nearly killed her on a dream holiday in Los Angeles. She gave up again a month ago so that she could have oxygen cylinders at home. She knew it was killing her but was addicted. As was her late mother. As is her daughter.

There is no easy fix. Banning tobacco would not work. Production would go underground. Increasing taxes throughout Europe seems to work. Placing cigarette retail outlets on the top of hills might be a solution. Preaching to smokers? Not a chance. Tell them you love them but would love them more if they were to live longer. I wish I had.

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Beany | 8 October 2010 - 8:29am

It's all relative

At about 1:38.

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Charlie Gordon | 8 October 2010 - 8:30am

Good timing

Enjoying this thread as I am stopping today. I have to admit to enjoying my years as a smoker but the filthy habit has to stop... or so the FPO says... but for once she's right

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SaucyJack | 8 October 2010 - 8:48am

Best of luck

Great username by the way.

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Spartacus Mills | 8 October 2010 - 9:14am

He's a naughty one.

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Bob | 8 October 2010 - 10:06am

I stopped yesterday

How are you getting on? Any tips?

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clivetemple | 22 November 2010 - 6:04am

Non smoker

Think of yourself as a non smoker, not someone who is giving up. Cold water is good when the urge strikes. A bit if diaphragm breathing and semi meditation type action helps with urges. Aim for one week, one month, one year and reward yourself with something great. if you slip, enjoy it but get back on the wagon again. I'm going strong 19 months in...

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Twangothan | 22 November 2010 - 7:32pm

The richest, most profligately wasteful organisation

I have ever worked for was a tobacco company. The offices were palatial. The air conditioning was so efficient and powerful that a non-smoker could sit in a small meeting room around the table with six smokers, all puffing away, without breathing in a single molecule of smoke. The reception area was paved with the finest Italian marble. The staff restaurant was staffed with several highly qualified chefs. All of the food was free. Almost everybody smoked at their desks. Engaging another expensive team of high profile IT consultants to deal with yet another minor change, or to attend to a middle manager's latest pet project, was the norm. They were sending teams of experts out into eastern Europe shortly after the collapse of the USSR to acquire farms and run-down factories. It didn't matter what the farms had been growing; they would be replanted with tobacco. It didn't matter what the run-down factories had once made (probably tractor parts); they'd be equipped to package fags.

If you need another reason to give up, do it to shaft these bastards.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 8 October 2010 - 6:13pm

Fenella used to smoke...

Not sure if she does now ...

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Glenbervie | 8 October 2010 - 6:15pm

Never smoked ....

...... as a 10 year old watching my Irish nan die very slowly of lung cancer in Leicester Royal Infirmary back in the late 70s was enough to put me off for life - I recall the ward she was in was full of others gasping their last because of the gaspers, absolutely terrifying. If you're struggling to shrug the ciggies, try a visit to your local cancer clinic - you'll be leaving there like them German civvies who were forcemarched through the deathcamps by the Allies in '45.

Nearly all of my aunts and uncles on my anglo-Irish paternal side of the family smoked but crucially neither the old man nor my mam smoked - surely the greatest influence (other than stylish nouvelle vogue filums! Yer man earlier was right - JP Belmondo looked as cool as feck sparking up a Gitane); man, even if I'd wanted to, I couldn't have afforded them.

Its quite shocking to go abroad these days and sit in boozers where everyone is puffing away, here's hoping his Lordship doesn't reverse the ban as a inhaled balm for the cuts, eh?

I will say this though - probably two thirds to three quarters of my good friends down the years have been smokers, all of my pals when I first started drinking were serious tabhounds (I was probably breathing in the equivalent of a coupla burns most nights out), and the closest of my lifelong muckers are all fans of the baccy bar one, and even he was a 20 a day man until his gran caught the big C of the lung and a visit to l'hopital gave him a Damascene conversion.

Purely an anecdotal observation of my experiences, but smokers would seem to have an extra facet of socialibilty because of the very nature of smoking - you've always an 'in' for a conversational gambit, asking or offering a light and the like, always seemed useful when cherching pour une femme!

For example, an old acquaintance had a lighter used by naval types that had a complicated mechanism to expose the flame - when offering 'un feu' to a femme, he'd pass it over unopened, they would struggle to open it, he'd then gallantly do the honours (simmer!) and demonstrate the knack of activating it and thus had a conversational piece to strike up some banter.

Hrrhrr I still know fellas who to avoid foul luck, or any Jerry snipers still extant, will not use a flame to light a third tab!

BR
FT

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Freaky Trigger | 8 October 2010 - 8:19pm

I've given up giving up.

Had a couple of years off not so long ago but got drawn back in due to booze I suppose. Now I'm on about 10 a day and I mostly enjoy them, especially with a glass of wine.
The only downside is the first one of the day where halfway through I enter a state of deep existential despair. This then goes on fag number two which I actually enjoy. I really miss smoking at gigs.

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Mr Fade | 8 October 2010 - 10:38pm

A thought from a non (not even ex) smoker

Some touching comments from several people above about watching loved ones dying from the effects of tobacco. Yet we're all going to go sometime, somehow. Sadly, most of those ways tend to involve pain, loss of dignity, emotional trauma for loved ones and so on. Although I have never smoked apart from the obligatory teenage experiment, I have always felt uneasy with the moral judgementalism that puritanical anti (and often ex) smokers display. It's fashionable to mock statements like 'my old Dad smoked 90 a day and lived to a ripe old age' but the sentiment holds true - people die from multiple causes every day. Sometimes it can be neatly attributed to a particular activity like smoking but more often it's genes or just random 'stuff'.

The above is playing devil's advocate to a certain extent as I've no desire to take up smoking. The grape and the grain will remain my poison of choice. However, I do admit to envying smokers their 'moment of contemplation'. It's the way that they can stand outside just thinking, staring into space, without self-consciousness. To me, that's what 'looks cool' about smoking.

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DougieJ | 11 October 2010 - 10:45pm

So,

Yet we're all going to go sometime, somehow.

Do you look both ways before crossing the road?

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Brookster | 12 October 2010 - 3:30pm

Me!

Slim cigars, which I appreciate is generally a dirty old man's habit but I did acquire it from a dirty old man. Regardless, I enjoy all my bad habits, that is why I have them, and will stop only if I no longer enjoy it or it becomes too painful to carry on.

Anyway, something has to mask the smell of stale lager and BO that wafts out of pubs and clubs in these smoking ban days.

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Miss Demeanour | 12 October 2010 - 12:53pm

"the smell of stale lager and BO that wafts out of pubs"

And farts. Don't forget the farts. I remember when the ban started in Ireland, my mate Mark, a resident of Tralee, commented that you suddenly became starkly aware of just how much flatulence is produced by a roomful of blokes all drinking stout or gassy lager.

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Lenny Law | 12 October 2010 - 7:52pm

I hate the smell of fags

and I hate the smell of BO, farts and cheap lager.

But which is worse, there's only one way to settle it.......

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DogFacedBoy | 12 October 2010 - 11:59pm

Easy?

I smoked for about 3 years full time when I was a student, prior to that I smoked socially when out drinking. I actually found it very easy to give up, I just stopped lighting up. My wife kept it up for a few years and it never really bothered me. My dad gave up just over a year ago after smoking for 40 + years, my mother still puffs away even though she has given up for years at a time in the past. I am really proud of dad for giving up, he was really starting to look ill and I thought he would not make retirement age.

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woodface | 13 October 2010 - 9:13pm

After 35 Years...

...with an ashtray at my elbow, I gave it up.
Then this happened:

http://philipbryer.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-promised-some-time-ago-that-wh...

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Philip Bryer | 14 October 2010 - 3:20pm
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