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Who's Gazza?

Humphrey Plugg's picture

Some people may remember how a High Court judge was pilloried a few years ago for not knowing who Paul Gascoigne was. It was seen as a classic example of how "out of touch" the judiciary were with 'ordinary' people and popular culture.

I noticed that I was having "Who's Gazza?" moments a few years ago, but as these mostly seem to occur when the conversation involved people 20 years younger than me and/or reality TV shows I was not too bothered.

However, I've had 3 "Who's Gazza?" moments on the Word blog in the last 24 hours (needing to find out who had sung "Yellow"; needing Fraser to explain what the "Doof Doof" thread was all about; and not understanding at all a blog entry on something called "Glee" - it may be a TV show). This worried me as I'm theoretically a classic member of the Word demographic (mid 40s, male, large CD collection, etc)

So is it time for me to leave here and move to the Saga blog? Or are others in the same boat?

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It's a cliche, but it's true

My uncle is a judge and recently uttered the phrase "Britney Spears? Who on earth is Britney Spears?"

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Spartacus Mills | 19 January 2010 - 1:36pm

Mandelson

Financial Times: Do you want to start by paying tribute to Michael Jackson, Peter? Everyone else seems to be doing that.

Peter Mandelson: I’m not absolutely sure who Michael Jackson is. Is he the ... he’s called Jacko, isn’t he?

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Ahh_Bisto | 19 January 2010 - 1:58pm

Having

Pretty much given up watching TV a couple of years back I actually take great pride in not knowing who some dim witted fake celebrity is.
Too much good music/radio/dvd/books around to watch garbage any more.

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Doug B | 19 January 2010 - 2:05pm

Hear Hear!

I normally deplore those that wear ignorance with pride, but I'll happily march alongside Doug on this one.

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Sam Fiddian | 20 January 2010 - 2:37am

Why worry

I think you can be let off not being up with Glee as, unless you investigate further, it appears to be aimed squarely at teenagers (not squares). I've never heard of it before but doof doof seems to need knowledge of a fringe culture (rave) to understand so if I'll let you off with that one but I'm surprised that you weren't aware of Yellow as it was the first big single by what is now one of the biggest bands in the world.... I'm not sure that I could actually name any other singles by them though so you could have a point!
I think the lack of knowledge probably more points to the diverse nature of the entertainment industry these days. It's impossible to keep abreast of everything and a lot of things are targeted at individual markets, when you were 25 did you have any knowledge of magazines aimed at teenage girls? Probably not so why worry about television shows or records aimed specifically at that audience now (I know none of your examples fall into that category)?

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JohnW | 19 January 2010 - 2:06pm

I've been aware of 'Doof Doof' as a shorthand for

generic techno house handbag glowstick trance for a while now.

It's the dance equivalent of 'Landfill Indie'

(I know less than zero about dance music)

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stimpy | 19 January 2010 - 2:17pm

Ahem, I thought Doof Doof

was the shorthand for the end of EastEnders

*slinks off with tail between legs*

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robram | 20 January 2010 - 6:11pm

Not round here :-)

Surely you recall the long thread a year or so back about 'Doof Doof dance music'?

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stimpy | 20 January 2010 - 6:14pm

For a long while I didn't have a TV

After 10 years or so, I felt like I understood certain aspects of popular culture in the same way an anthropologist understands the social role and mechanisms of a circumcision ceremony in a tribe of Congolese pygmies. I realised what was being alluded to, but felt no personal investment in the social discourses built around, say Brookie.

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BigJimBob | 19 January 2010 - 2:31pm

The Word

A magazine. A website. A podcast. An education in useless trivia.

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Beany | 19 January 2010 - 2:38pm

I assumed Doof Doof

was a shorthand way to describe the dramatic end to an episode of Eastenders.

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Roast Potato | 19 January 2010 - 3:15pm

i've been this way for years

I lost interest in popular "culture" at least ten years ago. Big Brother? Brits? Celebs? X Factor? Eh? Who they? I'm quite gleefully disinterested.

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PhilC | 19 January 2010 - 3:23pm

Don't worry Hum

it's okay not to know. I saw the list of Brit nominations for best single and I'm pretty sure I haven't ever heard any of them. Or maybe I have and I've forgotten - another peril of our age.

Alesha Dixon - Breathe Slow
Alexandra Burke Ft Flo Rida - Bad Boys
Cheryl Cole - Fight For This Love
Joe McElderry - The Climb
JLS - Beat Again
La Roux - In For The Kill
Lily Allen - The Fear
Pixie Lott - Mama Do
Taio Cruz - Break Your Heart
Tinchy Stryder Ft N-Dubz - Number

If you lined this lot up against a wall I could pick out Lily Allen and might have a stab at Cheryl Cole. Now there's an idea...

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Captain Underpants | 19 January 2010 - 3:58pm

And what

would you be stabbing her with, Cap'n?

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nigelthebald | 19 January 2010 - 4:09pm

I've heard of them all bar

I've heard of them all bar the bottom 2 - being popular doesn't mean you are any good. I've heard that Cheryl Cole single a number of times and still thing it fails as a pop song - I mean dressing like a soldier and being surrounded by dancers has no effect when listening to it on the radio.

I kinda like Lily Allen - just because she's a bit edgy and speaks her mind!

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andrewdavidlong | 20 January 2010 - 2:18pm

The drunken madman

on the corner of our street is edgy and speaks his mind too

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Mr Fade | 20 January 2010 - 10:43pm

And

he's still more entertaining than La Roux, I'll bet.

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illuminatus | 21 January 2010 - 12:02am

Pop Fact!

Q: What have La Roux and Lily Allen got in common?
A: They both have a famous parent (Keith Allen & June Ackland off The Bill)

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Spartacus Mills | 21 January 2010 - 12:47am

I try to keep up

with popular culture, well on the odd occasion anyway. I even sat through the whole opening episode of The Persuasionists (which I bitterly, bitterly regret...).

However, I really didn't know who half the Solo artists were put up for ridicule on another recent thread.

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Retro Man | 19 January 2010 - 4:04pm

let it pass

I frequently have "Who's Gazza?" moments. But that's only when you older chaps discuss obscure 70s TV that you grew up with or Richard Thompson's complete back catalogue. Or anything to do with The Wire.

Its not because I'm a bad man, I just haven't had a chance to catch up yet. There's too much choice out there. That is your excuse Mr Plugg. You'll get round to these things in your own good time.

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badger_king | 19 January 2010 - 6:24pm

Say, you're looking smart

All that matters is that we recognise where Mr Plugg got his blogname from. As long as you know that, you will get to heaven and all will be well - the rest is white noise.

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Con Coleman | 19 January 2010 - 6:55pm

I'm really hoping he has a

I'm really hoping he has a girlfriend (or boyfriend?) called "Big Louise"...

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man.of.soup | 20 January 2010 - 1:35pm

sadly not

but I do frequently having tiring days taking kids to the park...

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Humphrey Plugg | 20 January 2010 - 4:54pm

I'm still not sure what Doof Doof is..

...though I suspect it's something to do with the drums at the end of an episode. Nor had I heard of Glee.

I know Yellow though.

I'm 27 this year.

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kidpresentable | 19 January 2010 - 7:36pm

Round here....

....it's typically referring to the noise emanating from cheap cars with large sub-woofers, playing some god-awful racket - as in you can only hear the doof doof part of the music, but you can hear it 3 blocks away. Usually a Kia or a Hyundai. Sometimes a 15 year old Honda.
National Service, that's what they need, some discipline. And get a bloody haircut.

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Harold Holt | 19 January 2010 - 8:33pm

Doof doof

I'm assuming it's the Eastnders end drum bit - not beyond the realms of possibility considering the number of times the bloody adverts have been all over BBC1 recently.

Glee. Seen part of one ep in passing. Not bad, though hardly essential.

Yellow. Ok, but prefer The Shirehorses' Bellow.

40 in March.

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illuminatus | 20 January 2010 - 5:59pm

Sod All Really

to do with this thread really, but four years or so ago I was having an early evening bath, and to psyche myself up for a Big Saturday Night Out I had Best Of The Groundhogs on at a decent volume, whereupon a small delegation of STUDENTS!! from the flat above knocked on me door requesting that I "turn down the volume please, if you would be so kind".
I was aged 52 1/4 years old at the time.
Respect, or what, is due?

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geacher53 | 19 January 2010 - 8:49pm

It took me ages to figure out what HJH meant ...

.. I knew it had something to do with the Beatles, but I just couldn't decipher it.

By the way, I can't help but think that even Paul Gascoigne has Who's Gazza moments these days, sadly.

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smithylad | 20 January 2010 - 12:37am

Looks like we need a glossary for noobs (like me).

Having seen this one a few times I searched out 'Hey Jude Hitmaker' from some old thread.

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Harold Holt | 20 January 2010 - 10:51am
Humphrey Plugg | 20 January 2010 - 11:31am

That's great!

I missed that completely first time round.

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Retro Man | 20 January 2010 - 1:01pm

The Glee Club

Glee is a show on E4 and it is fantastic. I watch it with my 14-year-old daughter. I'm 50. We both love it.

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barneytabasco | 20 January 2010 - 1:22am

The Glee Club

not to be confused with current Word magazine subjects The Gun Club

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badger_king | 20 January 2010 - 12:49pm

"It may be a TV show"?

Oh do me a favour, just look it up on Google. Likewise Yellow, and probably doof doof, too, although do you really need that explaining? Couldn't you, with just a couple of seconds' thought, work it out for yourself?

God, the kids today. They want it all laid out on a plate for them.

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Albert Edward | 20 January 2010 - 8:49am

If you don't know, you don't know

But if you're interested you can always look it up. If not, what does it matter if you don't know what Glee is. You won't be watching it.

Otherwise you do come across like some out of touch high court judge or someone who's using their not being on top of pop culture as a device to appear culturally superior.

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Five-Centres | 20 January 2010 - 1:37pm

I'm a similar demographic,

I'm a similar demographic, and I couldn't agree more - but there's absolutely nothing to worry about. There's just too much information out there, 90% of which is crap/irrelevant (as it probably always has been). It's not a matter of pride not to know these things, nor of shame, just an admission that you can't keep track of trivia. No bad thing. Personally, most of what gets reported in The Word also passes me by these days - I simply can't get excited about it.

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man.of.soup | 20 January 2010 - 1:38pm

This might seem a bit daft on this thread

but who or what is Gazza?

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Mark JF | 20 January 2010 - 2:12pm

Gazza is

The nickname of troubled former England football hero Paul Gascoigne.

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Spartacus Mills | 20 January 2010 - 2:16pm

M'lud, surely it is a reference

to Rossini's popular opera La gazza ladra - The Thieving Magpie.

(I think gazza is the word which means magpie, which must have amused them when Gascoigne played in Italy.)

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Melville | 20 January 2010 - 5:22pm

Ah!

If so, it went right over my head.

Apologies.

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Spartacus Mills | 21 January 2010 - 9:50am

I've never been interested in sport, but...

... at least used to know who the big stars were. Nowadays I haven't a clue - I hear the same names again and again, but wouldn't know any of them if I bumped into them on the street: maybe Tiger Woods and Lewis Hamilton at a push...

And I saw a programme the other night with Mary J. Blige - to be fair, I did recognise her, but they said she's sold 40 million records, and I couldn't even begin to identify or name a single one of her songs.

There's a vaguely serious point here about fragmentation of the media - surely this is the first time in (mass media) history where it's possible to be completely ignorant of hugely successful people? Yes, alright, it was always possible, but at least things used to leak into your consciousness by "osmosis", now that doesn't seem to be the case...

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Metal Mickey | 20 January 2010 - 2:48pm

Too much information

Yes - I've said that several times on this forum. There are so many channels to monitor these days and that's not just in the entertainment field, that it's impossible to monitor them all even if you wanted to and made it a full time task.
There have been several television adverts on recently that, by their tone made it pretty clear that stars of the advert aren't anonymous but neither of us here know who they are.
One of the main differences between now and in the past is that missing out on news stories and films and artists is now something that just happens, you don't have to try. As an example, despite making the effort to listen to some Girls Aloud as a result of the number of mentions on this forum I still don't know what they look like as I've never bothered to investigate.

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JohnW | 20 January 2010 - 8:34pm

Was it different in the past?

I thought about this again on the way to work and I wonder if it's always been the case that people (we) don't notice most of what's going on around us but in the past (before social networking, forums etc) we would have remained blissfully ignorant of it's existence.

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JohnW | 21 January 2010 - 8:10am

I get it the other way...

I'm currently on a contract working alongside a bunch of young 20-somethings.

I'm about to turn 38 and I seem to have no cultural crossover with them at all today.

I started talking about Barry Sheene today and there were blank looks all around. That's merely one of many topics I end up having to have with myself.

No wonder they all think I'm weird!

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robram | 20 January 2010 - 6:14pm

Barry Sheene & James Hunt

They don't make 'em like that anymore...

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stimpy | 20 January 2010 - 6:42pm

Get yer bloody hair cut

I can remember when this was all fields

46 in March

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Beezer | 20 January 2010 - 7:00pm

It were all made of wood in my day

AND you got change from 2/6

(58 this year)

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stimpy | 20 January 2010 - 7:12pm

Where

am I?

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chabsy | 21 January 2010 - 12:18am
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