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Who is the greatest footballer you have had the pleasure to watch in your life time ?
Posted by Y.I.Man on 18 April 2010 - 9:12pm.
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Ian
Botham when he played for Scunthorpe. He got the ball and he ran with it. Nothing fancy like passing or dribbling, just running with a ball. Simple.
I saw Sir Ian
play at Boothferry Park for Scunthorpe. He went in for a challenge with the mighty Billy Whitehurst who absolutely clattered him. Botham came out with the ball, ran about 5 yards and then just collapsed in a heap. To be fair to Botham not many players would have got 5 yards!
Yes, Beardsley and Gazza. I saw Hagi and Stoichkov,
Bergkamp, Henry at their best, but, honestly?
Chris Waddle.
Good call for Waddle - most
Good call for Waddle - most exciting player I've had the pleasure to watch
Am I the only one who has to pronounce that name
in a 'Fast Show Channel 9 Neus' accent?
No
you're not. :)
George Best - but see the other threads on Cruyff and Maradona
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/johan-cruyff
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/maradona-genius-or-villain
In the flesh?
For the opposition (Man Utd): George Best.
For us (Ipswich): Kevin Beattie.
One faith. One Hod
Absolutely!
Gotta go along with that, Sheev. Although Gazza was amazing too. I remember a 5th round tie at Fratton Parl when he almost won the game single-handedly.
I took my Old Man to the Lazio/Roma derby and Gazza was without doubt the best player on the pitch. Until he stupidly kicked the Roma captain ambout six feet in the air instigating a vendetta which resulted him being taken off injured with cracked ribs...
I always maintain that he would have been the best player in the world if he had more than half a brain.
I always
Glenda
Possibly the finest player ever to grace the English game. I had the pleasure of being behind the goal when he scored the goal against Oxford United in his last game for Spurs (end of video but the build up is great !!).
New
My Dad brought me to see N Ireland play Holland In Belfast in 1976. George Best played that day as did Johan Cruyff. Best nutmegged him that day.R.I.P my old da.He would have loved to see Messi. He seen Di Stefano play as well
Of those generally considered to be
amongst the greatest of all time, I'm lucky enough to have seen Cruyff, Platini, Best, and Maradona, and for me it would be between the first two of those, with Cruyff just edging it.
Cruyff just had it all, while Platini was an absolutely devastating attacking midfielder.
Here's Cruyff:
And Platini:
Edit: Forgot about Zidane. I saw him play and score for Real Madrid but I reckon this was his finest hour:
Platini...
Was and always meant 'Class' to me. Whether it was his name and how it sounded and still does, or his seemingly laissez-faire attitude on the pitch.Or that he was French & Cool.Like those french 1960's Stars were french & cool and drove a Citroen with the wheel arches halfway down the wheels at the rear. Platini should have been born 10 years earlier.
Stan Bowles
playing for Brentford around 1981.
Something to be said for being old
It means I have had the pleasure of seeing George Best, Denis Law and Eric Cantona. Best was the one for me (Guess who I support).
Erm....
Plymouth Argyll?
Close...
But no cigar
Likewise...
... although I didn't get to see Best at his peak. I saw him in '76 or '77 when he was playing for Fulham, alongside Bobby Moore & Rodney Marsh.
I mean, blimey... I'm not that old.
Best.
Saw him playing for Glentoran in a friendly in 1982/3ish. Pace was gone, but by Christ he could dribble. Unreal.
The Little fella
Juninho
Middlesbrough's best player in living memory (you could argue about Wilf Mannion). The season we went down in 1997 he was simply unbelievable.
Glad to see another vote for
Glad to see another vote for the little fella.
While I appreciate that he doesn't compare to many of the quality players mentioned on here like you say for that season he was incredible and played the game like it was meant to be played. Sadly I think we are a long way from seeing anyone of the like again! Can't see Aliadiere getting a mention on a similar thread in 10 years time!
Jimmy Greaves
Never seen anyone like him since.
Woodford Town F.C.
Me and my mates used to see Jimmy play for Woodford Town in the Athenian League in 1979.
Joe Kinnear was right back.
Jimmy played about 15 games and the average attendance was about 30.
Scored a great goal against Chertsey, or was it Fleet Town?!
At QPR it would be Dave Thomas.
A wonderful player, but the thing that set him apart was the fact that despite his boyish good looks he was happily married to his childhood sweetheart.....and he loved gardening!
Magazine articles about him would eventually get on to dahlias or when it was the best time to trim your roses and he always seemed more animated talking about that than QPR's chances on Saturday.
Made him a far more interesting and quirky figure than those King's Road dandies at Chelsea.
Overall though.....Cryuff.
Best by name...
.. Jesus with a football.
Others of note, Rooney, Gascoigne, Robson, Waddle, Banks, Moore, and of course the best player ever to pull on the sacred red shirt - Ronnie Glavin.
The Best of the Best.
My dear departed Dad took me to see The Belfast Boy many times that's why I support Newton Heath.Glazers OUT!!!!
And yet...
That Belfast Boy was in many respects also the poster boy for the dodgy share dealings of a certain eminent purveyor of condemned meat, followed by the full corporatisation of United that was brought about by his son and heir, followed by a rapid "growth" process that led, almost inevitably, to the Right Mess that United is in today.
Before Best, Manchester United was a club. Since Best, it's been a brand.
You'd probably have to go back at least to Duncan Edwards to find a figurehead for nobler times.
Granted.
I completely agree with you Archie,But the tread is about Footballers,not the state of the beautiful game.Whilst I accept with good humour many of the criticisms levelled at Man United they are not alone in accepting the poisoned chalice offered by big business.There will be tears before bedtime because of the greed endemic in modern Football,mark my words.I'm afraid I'm just a little bit too young to remember the late great Duncan Edwards,my Dad told me he was a wonderful player and I am sure he would have been my Old Man's choice for the greatest he had ever seen.
I'm too young too
And my dad also told me stories of awe and devotion. I started going in '65, I think. You?
My dear old Dad
Always maintained that he'd taken me to Old Trafford when I was Five which would have been '61.Bit too young to remember that though,I can remember the noise,excitement and crush of the old Stretford End from my boyhood trips to Manchester,Not to many details of the games just the memories of being part of such a massive crowd.
I also started going in 1965
It was probably you that was blocking my view (I was six)
May well have been.
The Old Soldier used to hoist me onto his shoulders which would have made an obstruction of about 10ft odd.
Two words
Henrik Larsson, unerring and a mighty header of a ball for a not so big man. Strangely, missed a good few pens for Celtic, but scored goals at every level he played at.A thoroughly class act in every way.
Seconded!
Either Henrik or Jimmy Johnstone but I was too young to really appreciate Jimmy's skills, so I'll go with Henrik. One of the more remarkable things about the man was he suffered a career-threatenting injury and came back an even better player.
Revelation
For 45 years I'd always said "George Best" as the knee-jerk response to such an obvious question. After all, I'd seen him in his pomp at Old Trafford dozens of times. How could any player be better than that?
Then I went to see Leo Messi - and felt like I'd had the rug pulled out from under a universal truth.
Good Lord.
Seen:
Messi, Dalglish, Zidane, Ronaldo, Romario, Figo, Cafu, Kaka, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Bergkamp, Henry, Ronaldinho, etc.
But the best game I ever saw a footballer play was by Garry Nelson for Brighton against Brentford in an FA Cup tie years ago. I am, however, willing to admit that he's not as good as the players I've mentioned above.
The first time I saw Messi play, he came off a very distant second to Kaka.
Messi
Short of pace....
only one thing to be said to this clip
"eth eth eth eth eth, eth eth eth eth eth, sminky pinky, Chris Waddle."
Gary Nelson
Never recall Nelson play but I must have seen him at some point turning out for the opposition.
His biography "Left Foot Forward: A Year in the Life of a Journeyman Footballer" is excellent and certainly the best football book I have read.
That Nelson touch
Garry was in my year at school. He played for Southend, Brighton, Plymouth, Charlton and Torquay. He scored a lot of goals for a left winger and the Plymouth fans picked him in their all time best 11. He never quite made it to the very top but he was a great player and is a thoroughly good bloke. Still plays for Old Southendians, I think.
Messi is astonishingly gifted and seems to be getting better but
the best player in the world at this moment is Kaka.
If you'd written
that post in 2007 or 8 then perhaps it might have been at least arguable but have you seen him for Real Madrid? He's been a pale shadow of his Milan self.
I take your point, the Madrid factor is
certainly the curse of so many great players and Messi is the in form player at the minute. One great seaon doesnt make him the best...yet. Two seasons ago, Ashley Cole kept him quiet all game at Stamford Bridge.
However, playing well or not, Kaka has more gifts all round than Messi.
I like my greats to be string pullers.
To be fair...
Messi has had four great seasons, not one.
Im clearly backpedalling but...
oh, sod it.
Fraser, while your here, I read your bit about going to the footy in South America. I was very lucky this time last year and got to see Flamenco win a cup game at the Maracana!
It was...astonishing.
Nice
Seeing a South American game is truly something else.
Possibly not the greatest player ever
but certainly a very good one, and definitely the best moment I've ever seen at a match
Trevor Brooking
He always seemed to have so much time on the ball. Booked 4 times in his career and never sent off. Legend.
Trevor Brooking = Nice Bloke
That is certainly how is Autobiography come across
The most memorable goal he scored was (for most) the 1980 Cup Final winner (Trev don't get many with his 'ead!)
The one I remember most was against Hungary in World Cup Qualifier 1981 (The ball gets stuck in the stanchion)
(Not very good quality)
George Best
Next subject please
For me?
Matty Le Tiss. The other player who astonished me was Paul McGrath. I know he was a big, hulking centre-half but his balance and precision was a thing of joy.
Finally!
Scanning down the thread thinking 'Where is he?'
As a Saints season ticket holder during his prime - he was the reason to go. The rest of the team were generally pedestrian makeweights but Le Tiss could lumber off the bench and transform the match with just a few touches of the ball. He was a footballing natural - you could tell that from that simplest of yardstick, his ability to trap any ball fired at him dead on his boot as if glued to it.
(Has any other player carried a team for so long?)
His other goal in that game wasn't bad either
20 yard half volley, I think
McGrath without a doubt
Balance and precision yes but also his reading of a game was second to none. I saw him for Villa (dodgy knees and all) track back on a breakaway by a young speedy winger type, he had no hope of matching the youngster for pace, but taking a lazy-man's line was able to make the crucial tackle on the edge of the box.
When he played for Villa many long-term Villa fans made a pont of bringing their kids to matches just so they could say they saw the great man play.
Also despite his well-publicized off the field problems he was always a gentleman and one of the nicest men in football.
Another Villa player I saw in my time in Brum that deserves a mention is the criminally under-rated Gordon Cowans one of the best passes in the game and a greta football brain.
Luis Figo
I saw Luis Figo at the height of his powers playing in a good Barcelona side. It was noticeable how all the Barcelona players looked to him and tried to get the ball out to him throughout the game. He had everything balance,speed, power and precision.
Paul Gascoigne
Gazza on his day was absolutely brilliant. Better than Hoddle, better then Waddle. If you could have wired up Linekers temperament to Gazza he would have been the best player in the world. Watched him take teams apart almost single handedly in his pomp a la Maradona. It was a shame he got himself injured, he was never the same after that. I also think he made a mistake going to Italy and why he went to Scotland I'll never understand. A brilliant talent never properly fulfilled. Outside of Tottenham I thought Georgi Kinkladze, in his Manchester City days, was a genius. Another wasted talent.
Agreed
I watched some of his early games for Lazio, when C4 were showing them, and Gazza was awesome.
Alex Ferguson
claims that Gascoigne was the player he most regretted not signing, more than Shearer. They agreed verbally but Tottenham agreed to buy his family a house while Gascoigne was away on holiday and signed for them instead. 10 years of Gascoigne under Fergie?
That house stuff ....
... is nonsense. Ferguson would never have put up with him. He couldn't even cope with Beckham.
Nonsense?
I think Fergie would have liked to have tried, especially as he would have had him under his wing at 19.
The one thing you can say for Fergie
(and I'm no fan of his) is that his man management of young players is excellent. You rarely/never hear of Man U players involved in the kind of nonsense that seems to be normal at Chelsea. I feel that Rooney had the potential to be another Gascoigne if he gone to London but Fergie/Man U kept him on the straight and narrow. I think if he had got his hands on Gazza at 19 he might have fulfilled his potential.
Le Tiss for me too
just because it was a joy to watch a player who didn't care for the more mundane aspects of football such as running, tackling and formations. A player that managers hated picking, but just through his sheer brilliance were left with little option.
Me old grandad saw every player of note in the flesh from
the forties to the eighties.
He said the best he ever saw was Puskas.
Bizarrely, Pele never played at Wembley but managed to play at Hillsborough three times in his career.
Grandad saw him there in the sixties.
'Wow, how good was he Grandad?'
'He were alreet'.
I saw Pele play at Wembley
Kind of. He was wheeled out at the old stadium prior to an England game (I think it against Brazil in 1995) as a special guest, and made to shoot from the halfway line.
He missed.
Oy!
Rampant ageism! Pele was 55 in 1995. I'm sure Mark Ellen - who is now similarly seasoned in years, I believe - would be well chuffed to hear someone describe how he was "wheeled out" to pick up some media award.
Mutter mutter bloody young 'uns mutter mutter national service mutter mutter.
The difference
Is that Mark Ellen isn't a former athlete twenty years into retirement.
Correct, Ive seen him up close and Mark is clearly
an athlete at the peak of his powers.
Two players
who, at the start of their careers, had that priceless gift of inciting a collective intake of anticipatory breath amongst the crowd, but never really fulfilled their great promise:
Saw Barnesy score 5 goals in an 8-1 win for England Under-21s at Boothferry Park - believe me, we all thought he was The Future
Big Norm - achieved much, but it could have been so much more
And here's one who did:
Never ever liked United
But Cantona, well, that was different; he was just awesome, in its proper sense.
Greatest I ever saw? Eddie Gray
The player about whom Clough made the "racehorse" comment...
Robert Frederick Chelsea "Bobby" Moore
Class, class and then more class. Here's that tackle:
The "Maverick" Players
(Which seemed to exist in the 1970s so I never really saw them first hand, only on re-runs of Match Of The Day etc)
Stan Bowles
Tony Currie
George Best
Charlie George
Rodney Marsh
Definition: Maverick Player = Long(ish) hair, socks rolled down and shirt untucked. And some sublime skills usually helps
One of the best goals I've ever seen.
Frank Worthington
Forgot one of the Criteria for a Maverick Player
Must like a Drink
And
a bet.
And
a bird or two
But not after noon on a Saturday.
'Cos they needed to keep their focus.
There are other sorts of football you know
One shake of his hand,
one pat on the back and let's get on with the game. Classic! (Some frightening high tackles in there, though...)
Robin Friday
The greatest footballer you never saw........... nor me actually.
My coat? It's over there
I saw him...
...and he was that good.
Interesting
I always assumed he was the 70s version of Lee Trundle.
In the flesh King
Kenny Dalglish, on T.V Zidane
Has to be Charles "Charlie" Charles.
"It's like the ball's glued to his foot!"
Ryan Giggs
Maybe not the best ever footballer but certainly the best I've seen. There's been lots of talk over the years saying "if only he'd played for England".... Well he didn't.
He's probably the greatest winger of all time.
Quite
The best player of The Premiership era. I've probably seen him play away from Old Trafford maybe ten times or so, and he has never failed to disappoint. When I saw him come on as a sub at The Riverside last season you saw every Man U head raise, and he could still change a game, as he did that day, at thirty five years old.
In the Flesh
Kenny Dalglish. In particular an amazing goal in a World Cup qualifier against Spain.
Alfie Conn
dazzled for a brief period in the 1970s. Has to be one of the best dribblers I ever saw. In a pre-season game at the A***enal, he dribbled the defence and goalie, came back, took the ball around (I think) Alan Ball again and then put it in the net - class!
I once saw the late great Laurie Cunningham (I used to have a soft spot for the 'O's'), take the ball from the halfway line (Another pre-season friendly at Chelsea), beat 3 players and slam the ball in past a helpless Chelsea goalie. The Chelski fan sat next to me turned and said 'Bonetti would have saved that' - yeah right mate.
Laurie Cunningham
Fabulous player.
Incredible that he started his career at Orient and ended up at Real Madrid....that's some journey.
Also amazing that no London first division club didn't come in for him before West Brom.
It really must have been racism otherwise why wouldn't a club sign a player for peanuts who was better than anything they had at the time?
Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham.....no one had anyone to compare with him in London apart from QPR (Dave Thomas).
Orient 2 Wolves (the eventual Champions) 4 in 1977.
The rest of the Os team were just letting him do his own thing so Laurie ran down the left wing and found himself, like a cat, in a cul-de-sac surrounded by three or four defenders.
He simply turned round and started running back up the touchline towards his own goal until, about 25 yards out, he cut inside and hit the ball into the absolute apex of post and bar from which it ended in the net.
It was the most amazing goal I've ever seen.
Of course, my memory might be playing tricks on me.....it was probably a tap in.
Sir Stanley Matthews
my dad took me to Bolton vs Stoke in 1963 or 1964 to see Sir Stanley Matthews. I was only 6 so I'm not 100% sure that he actually played in that match. I'd love to know for sure. So he's the greatest I might have seen.
The greatest I know for sure I have seen...the incomparable Colin Bell. From his time at Bury through the late '60s and early '70s at Man City. Power and grace.
meaningless
this should be titled, which footballer has given you most pleasure. Greatness has nothing to do with it because it's impossible to compare eras. Best was impressive but only in comparison to the Bowles, Worthingtons and McKensies of the era. Undoubtedly gifted but the defenders were crap by today's standards, vicious yes but slow and limited. You only have to go back to 86 and see Maradonas goal against England (not that one) and look at Terry Butcher lumbering in his wake like a cart horse, and he was seen as being one of the best defenders of the time. Any premier league defender nowadays is is far better than Butcher ever was, not his fault, just a result of evolution.
I doubt Best would have been a superstar in today's football, he would just have been another David Bentley, immensely talented but ultimately lightweight. Let's face it, he was best known even then for his lifestyle and the fact that you never knew if he would turn up for the match. That's how I remember it at least.
The greatest is always the best one playing now, so I guess that means Messi or Kaka for most people but in 10 years time, football keeps developing as it is now, they will surely be eclipsed by the new greatest whose skills, fitness, speed and awareness will be at a new level which Messi and Kaka may never have reached.
Alan Hudson
Best exponent of the killer pass ever. Should have played for England many more times than he did, but the odious Mr Revie disliked him and his ilk.
Hard to believe that in those days Chelsea would sell their best player to Stoke and that they were the ones who relied on the long throw, courtesy of the late Ian Hutchinson.