Who are we writing for?
Suppose i am an uneducated, high school drop out who loves music and buys music magazines to read about my favourite artist or see what they have to say about their new album. along the way i happen to read through a few of the other articles in the magazine, well i did buy it after all.
And i read something like this, 'beneficial in his endeavours of inspirational virtuosity, he brought forth emotional barricades to which the audience was compelled and enthralled in his every movement!' So in other words; "the dude fuckin rocked!"
Why are journalist becoming ever increasingly hell bent on proving how smart they are by throwing in a few intellectual words that only the educated will understand? seriously, all you are doing is proving that you know how to use a thesaurus and dictionary. Don't get me wrong, we need more educated writers and educated readers who can understand more than just "ey man, this guys the shit" but... Keep it simple. Articulating yourself isn't just throwing in a few big words. Only use them if they work with the piece or article.
My frustration comes from reading article's where they are intellectually stimulating and a great read "respect to all writers", but i haven't learnt anything knew. i haven't been left with an opinion from the writer, or an angle or perspective from their point of view, i've been left with not much more than a few big words and a date with the dictionary.. quite frankly, who gives a shit! i do believe it's not how you say it, it's what you say. you can call me an idiot in who the fuck knows how many different ways, but at the end of the day, your just calling me an idiot!
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Why are journalist?
Dont no
Where is...
...Beatles Band?
Come to that, where is Samuel K. Amphong when we need him?
It's a long shot...
He's reinvented himself as robert_mata?
Samuel K. Amphong
I always grin ear to ear when someone evokes the old Thai sage. Not sure what you'd call the phenomenon, but the story of his "Where is Beatles band?" letters ought to be fodder for Mark Ellen. It doesn't really belong in the world of HORA but Samuel and we who remember him deserve to be honoured with a piece in the magazine.
Well
Roll over Will Self, and tell Simon Reynolds the news. Actually, I actually enjoy their lexicographical wonderment. T'otherwise we may as well just have reviewers typing, 'it's crap'; 'it's ace', or 'it's all right, like'.
stars system
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Disagree completely
"beneficial in his endeavours of inspirational virtuosity, he brought forth emotional barricades to which the audience was compelled and enthralled in his every movement"
Admittedly, it's a bit flowery, but so what? I like being treated as an adult rather than a 12 year old.
That quote
Where did it come from? Wasn't me, was it?
quote
nah the quote is mine, i wrote it purely for the blog!
i like the way journalist write, intellectual stimulation is crucial to being a good writer. i like what is written in the word, hey i read it. just don't want to get lost in a vocab war!
reading such articles has caused me to quite business and start journalism! You guys truly rock!
So you illustrate your argument...
...with an example that doesn't really exist? Hey, you've convinced me, fella!
existence
it would exist if i had a job as a journalist!
Plain English
So do I, but does it actually make any sense? It reads like the kind of thing that journalists write when they're not able to clearly define their own thoughts. At a quick glance it looks like it ought to mean something, but I'm not sure it stands up to any kind of scrutiny.
Big words good.
Me like. Make brains bigger.
Keep it simple...
...stupid.
Thus
spake Gene and co?
quote
nah the quote is mine made it up to prove a point!
but how does it prove a point if you made it up??
surely that only works if you quote something that actually appeared in the magazine?
personally, I really enjoy the writing in Word.
thats the point....
... it was just as easy for me to write some random squabble about nothing but it got your attention! what made you comment was the fact that i had an opinion about something.. not the quote itself!
So you never had the pleasure...
...of reading the NME in the early/mid 80's then? The worst sort of pretentious, meaningless sub-sixth form drivel you've ever read.
I'm looking at you Messrs Morley & Penman...
pleasure would have been all mine!
dude, i was born in the 80's, if only i had the chance!
Completely disagree - Penman and Morley
were and remain two of the best writers who chose pop music as a subject.
They made you think. And expanded my reading list at the time.
I also loved Morley's Errol strip at the time where he re-invented the gossip column.
Penman, Morley
and a few others made the NME completely unreadable by the mid 80s.
I enjoy Morley these days, though. Whatever happened to Penman?
Isn't that a pseudo quote from "Bad News"
Sally Furman (Jennifer Saunders)rocks off on a four minute eulogy (in a Burchill stylee) with huge long words to which Vim Fuego replies "Very well thank you".
Made me laff anyway.
Errr...
'dude'???
dude
meaning of:
an easterner or city dweller who vacations in the west
"the west is the best"
Is that West as in...
The West Midlands, or Cornwall?
the west
referring to lyrics by the doors!
I think I know what you mean...
but I would suggest that the problem with writers who misuse arcane language is that they DON'T know how to use a dictionary or thesaurus (or choose not to if they do).
Long words, unexpected metaphors or idioms can actually convey your views more succinctly and elegantly than plain prose - if chosen with care. If you get the tone and context right, you can even subtly introduce your readers to new words and concepts without alienating or patronising them (if you read Smash Hits in the 80s or early 90s, you'll know how brilliant they were at this).
What irritates me is when writers use words or phrases they themselves don't understand, banking on the assumption that their readers are less familiar with the terms than they are (to be fair, this happens in most areas of journalism, but does seem to be a particular vice of music writers). I recall reading a Sigur Ros album review in a "quality" newspaper, in which the writer (who shall remain nameless) suggested that "a working knowledge of North Germanic phonology" was necessary to pronounce the "voiced dental fricatives" in the song titles (if that were the case, most of us would struggle to speak English as the voiced dental fricative is what we know as the "th" sound - and I slept through Linguistics at uni!).
Would that be...
...the Labio-Dental Fricative of which the Bonzo's sang?
(OK, I *know* it wasn't actually the Bonzos - it was a Vivian Stanshall spin-off - Big Grunt or the Sean Head Band presumably - but I'm at work and don't have access to my copy of Cornology)
I would even suggest...
....that the least intelligible thing you could ever say is "the dude f**king* rocked!"
I'd love to read
130 pages of such incisive conciseness each month!
May I direct you
to Kerrang?
That'll be
"Kerrang!?"
I'm with F Scott Fitzgerald on exclamation marks, meself
your right....
.... and i totally agree. i would shoot myself if as a writer that's the best i could come up with! fortunately i'm better than that!
Beware
Here be trolls...
Shhh!
It's not so much fun if you let 'em KNOW you're baiting them!
This is a pet hate of mine.
It reminds me of what my mother used to say about swearing, "A feeble mind trying to express itself forcefully."
You should always think of writing as casting a spell on the reader. Using inappropriate language jars the reader and therefore breaks the spell. If it doesn't fit take it out.
Mr Pragmatic
surely whatever works for the article or review is the bench mark.I think one can get a sense when it is just verbage. I love Morely and his extended flights of fancy, yet also feel the best and most profound review ever came from Charles Shaar Murray,his review of the album by Yes was...
"No".
thanks
the blog is a criticism of my own writing. a good writer should be able to express themselves through positive intellect and create debate! which we all are doing.
so thank you for your comments, it's proof there is intelligent life on planet rock.... nasa should be so lucky!
Dental Fricatives, the
Weren't they Moxy Fruvous' backing band?
Blimey
I love Moxy Fruvous and had assumed I was the only person in the Word community to have heard of them. Hooray!
Don't forget...
...the Heavy Metal Umlaut over the first 'u' in Fruvous
I've not forgotten it...
...I just don't know how to generate one!
PS hooray for you too, stimpy! that's three of us...
Never said I'd heard 'em.....
Just of them. However I may try to seek 'em out, now, having read the slightly self-reverent Wiki entry. More because they are Canadian than anything else, as I tend to like Canadians in music, Bryan Adams and the BareNaked Ladies excepted, obviously.
I don't care if you've not heard their music, it still counts.
but if you don't like the Barenaked Ladies then I suspect you won't enjoy the Fruvous either...
Although having said that, how much BNL have you heard? "One Week" is a hideous hideous song, and unfortunately the one that most people know. BNL actually have a lot of great songs (although last couple of albums haven't really been up to scratch) and they're actually one of my favourite bands.
so yes, I have a soft spot for Canadians in music too... particularly Ron Sexsmith...
The Young Fresh Fellows...
...were Canadian too, weren't they?
Either way, they were a fine act in a BNL stylee.
"When the girls get here
We'll talk about integrated circuits and things
To show them how smart we are"
Favourite BNL songs:
The Old Apartment
Break Your Heart
Shoe Box
Be My Yoko Ono
If I Had A Million Dollars
They did a jolly cover of In My Room as well
Fine choices
and I would add
Brian Wilson
What a Good Boy
to my personal faves list.
PS you are "stimpy" as in "ren and", yes? damn marvellous cartoon
Yes...
...but only the first half of series 1 - once they sacked John Kricfalusi it just became another generic Nickleodeon kids cartoon
Is One Week that ghastly song....
...that sounded like something else I didn't like either (which isn't much assistance in tracking it down, I agree) with gabbled vocals spread about various eager fat buffoons.
Sorry to be fattist; I like fat but they all look like the stereotyical fat kid in films about american school nerds, which I have only seen in trailers, I hasten to add........
It is indeed that ghastly song.
Please try and forgive them for it... it really is an awful song, but I reckon all acts are allowed the odd hideous clanger.
Not so sure on the looks front though, lead singer Steven and drummer Tyler are on the chunkier side of life, but I would have classed the other members of the band as slender / average...
Also
if you add together the combined weight of Steven, Tyler and Steven Tyler and divide by three, they aren't fat either...
Rock maths
Nice one! You could probably get a research grant to look into this phenomenon further...
Repeated Pretentions
I'm happy with a few big words thrown in, but it annoys me when you get an "easy read" of a review which then, towards the end, throws something in in a oops-better-look-more-intellligent way.
Especially when it's the same word every time, such as the media's recent over-use of "cerebral".
You may get a job in journalism
sooner if you use capital letters. At the beginning. Of new sentences.
And you point is lost on me. Use the most appropriate word. If it's short and well known then thats great. If it's longer and less known, get a dictionary and learn. If its inappropriate, complain at that point.
I have not read too many reviews
that are difficult to understand. I have a bigger problem with reviews that use persuasive arguments to promote a cd that is clearly crap.Joanna Newsom springs to mind but in recent months i have also seen completely over the top reviews of Bon Iver as just one example. His cd is okay but certainly not earth shattering as was the case presented by one of your rival mags.