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Who are The Causals?
Posted by paintyface on 21 September 2009 - 6:53pm.
I bought a pair of jeans at the weekend and out of boredom typed the make{which I had never heard of} into google. This led me to something called Causals. I have never heard of them before but the clothes they wear are similiar to the clobber I wear. I think they are football fans from what I gather. Were/are any of the Massive Casuals or can they point me in the direction of information on them.
One of the few things I envy about the mainland is the fact that you can go to decent football matches every weekend.
For us to get to a game involves lots of time and money.
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They had a hit with
this
one of Weller's fave raves apparently
This might be useful
www.myspace.com/80scasuals
Or this one
http://www.footballcasual.com/
Used to make me laugh whenever the Daily Mail used to have a go at football hooligans the stereotype was always a punk rocker or a skinhead. In reality the real hooligans used to dress like Alan Partridge, Des O'Connor or Ronnie Corbett.
One of the widely held beliefs on where it started was when Liverpool fans took advantage of their various European jaunts to acquire trendy Italian sportswear and to then wear it on the terraces to show-off.
Nowadays the hooligan's choice seems to be Stone Island, at least that's how most of Cardiff dressed at last week's game. Seems the Burberry has gone since Daniella Westbrook and the other chav celebrities took it on.
’80s terrace peacocks in (with Stanley knives, some of them)
Here‘s an authoritative Kevin Sampson article about the whole business from The Face, 1983.
http://www.casualclothingonline.eu/casualscene
http://ropeuk.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/the-face-1983/
There's a film coming out
The firm which will explain more see also the football factory.
Awaydays
is the Kevin Sampson film about casuals. it's ok and the music is excellent
Stick to the Alan Clarke original
No need for the remake.
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/439285/index.html
apprently the remakes different and
good too.
Robert Elms
has a book called "The Way We Wore" - which though part Elmsian guff -is very accurate on tracing the Casuals movement - which is an extension of the Mod demeanour. Pills, aggression and sharp clothes.
Mod and its inheritors - Casuals - is a far more working class movement than Punk - a construct imagined between St Martins College of Art and the King's Road - ever was
About dressing up - not down
dressing conservatively
in high street labels - punk wasn't about dressing down - it wasn't about dressing smartly, admittedly, but it wasn't about dressing down.
I think some of your first wave mods had been to art school too.
First generation Mods - late 50s -
were middle class Jewish kids by all accounts. They could afford the tailoring and general posing about town. It was a look picked up by working class kids.
Reply to badartdog
True that Mod too had an Art school element - Pete Townsend being an obvious example.
My point is that Mod tapped directly into the tradition of getting dressed up at the end of the working week before heading out in search of a good time, a fuck or a fight or both.
Punk - generally - was about adopting a fetish version of working class garb - dressing down in the sense of flattening your social background.
Throw in a few safety pins and Nazi regalia - hey presto! - outrage.
Punk mutated into New Romantic. Mod into Casual. These lines are not definitive but approximatley true
Elms...
...spoke about all of this in BBC's documentary series 'British Style Genius'. Have a look here;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/britishstylegenius/
click on the 'street' tab and there's a few clips to look at. The particular episode about working class fashion was a fascinating look at British history from an overlooked perspective.
In response to Retro Man's post above; Liverpool fans were able to steal Adidas trainers from shops on their European away trips because they were put out in pairs, rather than the single left or right shoe commonly found in shoe shops at home.
and because they kept winning all the
domestic competitions and so where in europe every year unlike Moan "Play as long as you like lads" United.
"play as long as you like"
Just want to point out that City were also, as far as I know, allowed to play during those extra minutes, and could therefore have snatched a potentially historic winner. Whether it would have been 'deserved' or not is a moot point ;-)
I'm not a Manc but having lived there for a few years I realised that the line City fans like to put about that 'no-one in Manchester supports Utd' is tish and furthermore, tosh.
Still, all good fun. I'm sure Mark Hughes will be quietly pleased that he managed to provoke such an outpouring of emotion from United staff at the end. It must have hurt City to the bone to have been ignored or patronised for so long. As a Scotland fan I know how that feels!
Excellent programme
I really enjoyed it and if you'd like to see it i'm sure i know a man who can point you in the right direction of a torrent or rapidshare file. Not me ,of course,Some bloke down the pub.
Circa 1983
London Casuals were wearing Pringle and Lacoste and Farah trousers. And all the Casuals in my neck of the woods - male and female - were sporting very Lady Di flick haircuts.
It was pretty much a Mod type thing as others have said above, the 1983 variant, with a huge link to football. Musically the guys I knew were all listening to either 80s soul, like Luther Vandross, Jazz-funk, or tracks like Freeez I-O-U.
The biggest “underground” cult group in Britain in 1983
The biggest “underground” cult group in Britain in 1983 wasn’t any of the gothy/“post-punk”/indie bands the music papers wrote about. It was Maze.
Frankie Beverley
Top stuff. There was a double live album that everyone was listening to. I've still got the tape somewhere..
white socks, espadrilles
- the overwhelming smell of Kouros
Joy and Pain indeed
http://open.spotify.com/track/0v1Enol2iaIHz0ZFn8pTsJ
At the risk of being ridiculed by a load of beardies
yes, I was what you would call a casual. Still am for that matter - I don't actually think you ever decide not to be one. The quest to be smartly dressed and make an effort never goes away.
I spend what others would consider a silly amount on clothes and Adidas trainers (they have to be adidas..).
I've long since stopped going to the football but am still an avid armchair watcher (just too expensive and moved away from the sport that I enjoyed - no terracing / all about selling replica shirts etc etc / no sense of being a valued punter).
I agree with Sheev's post ^ - I always viewed it as a natural progression from being a Mod.
There's a shop in Liverpool called Wade Smith (quite a big enterprise now) that actaully started in 79/80 by hiring a Tranny van and literally driving to Germany filling up with Adidas trainers and selling them back in Liverpool. I've read somewhere that they where doing 3 trips a week...
natural progression from being a mod revivalist, surely?
Couldn't be doing with the labels obsession myself. Was it about looking good or looking the same? I remember going out in Bradford in the early 80s and the town centre being full of townies dressed in burgundy clothes - tank tops and the like - these were some of the forerunners of the casuals.
Mod Revialist.. Mmm
Not entirley sure of my dates - But I was under the impression that the Mod Revivalists started in late '79 after the release of Quadrophenia and the start of 2 tone.
By this time I think the first Liverpool (and Aberdeen) fans had started to wear different sorts of gear.
Thanks for the burgandy tank top mention - had forgotten about those...
“Quad Mods”
The “Mod Revival“ is said to have started on a coach trip to Paris to see The Jam in 1978, i.e. that was when a group of Jam fans - including future members of the Chords and the Purple Hearts - who were already wearing ’60s clothing etc. started calling themselves “Mods”. Quadrophenia (along with 2Tone and the growing popularity of The Jam) made it a much bigger, more mainstream phenomenon a year or so later but I can remember “early adopters” looking down their noses at the newly-parka-ed youngsters in the playground and calling them “Quad Mods”, i.e. johnny-come-latelys who latched onto the bandwagon after the film. You get that sort of snobbishness with music / youth cults. It’s all a bit silly really. But it isn’t at the time when you’re 15.
Identification
I've always wondered, given that the very last thing 'top boys' would wear is team colours, how they know who's on who's side? Must be difficult when faced with a sea of Aquascutum, Henri Lloyd, Stone Island etc (probably hopelessly out of date but you get the drift).
At least in the original 70s incarnation, it was hard to miss someone with a Tom Baker style woolly scarf, possibly festooned with v-sign badges!
Not mods at all, true originals
None of the first wave of casuals on Merseyside were Mod revivalists, it really grew out of punk and the Eric's scene and trips to the continent where a lot of thieving went on. Most of the were Beefheart and proggers anyway.
M. Du Noyer's Wondrous Place tome is the perfect place to start while Kev Sampson's Awaydays book and film are a pitch perfect encapsulations of the 'otherness'of how Merseyside fans looked entirely different to others of the era.
*edit - didn't see the reference to Kev above* I think there is also a famous piece from the Face about it too.
Phil Thornton, editor of the fanzine Swine, wrote a fine book on the subject http://www.amazon.co.uk/Casuals-Football-Fighting-Fashion-Terrace/dp/190... and it is a good place to start investigating this phenomenon.
But, if you are looking for a quiet life, Painty, don't get them started talking about the clobber - feckers could rabbit in for hours about the key differences between adidas Forest Hills or Trim Trab trainers, Fila versus Tacchini trackie tops or just why Lois jeans were THE strides of choice circa November 1979.
nice mvps yes indeed
nice mvps
yes indeed manchester is red-sorry to scupper all those 'nu-footy' fans who think that the majority suppot some losers in a bitter blue shirt(and so is liverpool-sorry peoples club blah blah)
the casual look was indeed started by the mickeys on their journeys through europe and adopted by the red three quarters of manchester who jibbed their way to the likes of st etienne and juve
I always thought
That 'smart casual' evolved because of a number of things : it was a reaction to the general 'look' of the drab days of the late 70's/early 80's - a sack of shit tied in the middle; the recessionary times meant jobs were scarce and dressing smartly helped you get and keep jobs; and designer gear had never been available outside select London shops until the retail revolution of the 80's happened (after Mrs T's lot made credit more freely available) and store security didn't catch up for a while. My 'casual' friends of the time nicked everything they wore.
Don't believe the Sampson/Hooton story
Casual was the extension of the mod ethic and London-centric which fanned out to the suburbs and provinces very much as Elms writes. The "terrace culture" and collection of Fila, Ellesse, Tacchini etc from the Liverpool away trips to Italy came somewhat later. Casual "chic" was in evidence, from what I witnessed, on the terraces of Stamford Bridge, Highbury, White Hart Lane and Loftus Road some time before Anfield.
I would say it was something in that was in the air
,really not sure about your London centric view either. I remember it all just gradually appearing. All this talk of nicking sports gear most of the lads I new got their stuff from their mum's catalogue if they were honest.
Not sure of the link to Mod but it stems form the same impulse to look good to show your wealth on your back, a certain nerdish trainspottery peacock tenancy. It's too easy like with all youth movements to have a year zero and say it started here I heard someone on the radio claiming to know the first Mod to ride a scooter the other day, it's nonsense.
Casuals and prog
I can remember blokes with names like Kevin - all the Casuals I knew were a Kevin, even if they were called Tony or Mike, like some strange Being John Malkovich scene - going from their jazz funk and ending up with Dark Side Of The Moon and various proggy things.
You wouldn't guess that they'd just discovered weed, would you...