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Which non-Word journalists do you like?
Posted by Barry Womm on 13 August 2009 - 4:20pm.
This may not be the most appropriate place to ask this question, but I'd be interested to know which non-Word journalists are enjoyed by The Massive. Music-wise, I've always liked John Harris in print, although he seems to be terribly smug whenever I've seen him on TV. As far as columnists go, I used to buy The Independent purely to read Deborah Orr, but had to stop eventually because James Lawton's ramblings towards the back of the same paper were so anger-inducingly tedious that I begrudged handing over my money.
Any other suggestions?
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Alexis Petridis
Guardian on a Friday. I find myself reading stuff about artists I don't even like and normally have little interest in, just for the quality of his writing.
Marina Hyde
and Charlie Brooker. They make the grauniad worthwhile along with the political funnyman...forgot his name.
Political funnyman
The excellent Simon Hoggart.
The New Yorker trinity
of Anthony Lane, Adam Gopnik and Malcolm Gladwell. Not only is Lane laugh-out-loud funny as a film reviewer ("what is the point of Demi Moore?"), he really knows his stuff and has an extremely wide frame of reference. Even though it was published a while back "Nobody's Perfect" is a great collection of his work. And his taste is almost entirely congruent with mine.
Gopnik is an elegant, thoughtful writer on just about anything. His book about living in Paris ("From Paris to the Moon") is insightful and moving.
Gladwell's ability to demystify science/psychology and sociology has made him a star through his books. His regular New Yorker pieces are compelling and always thought-provoking. And he's an oddly charismatic speaker.
quartet
you missed David Sedaris
American journalism
is a cut above British - imho. Although Lane is a Brit I know.
For balanced, informed, well researched comment I go to New Yorker, NY Times, Washington Post - in which David Ignatius is an urbane and perceptive voice
Also Jeff Jarvis - brilliant on the changing face of media. Sad news revealed this week that he has prostate cancer.
Closer to home - it's the girls who do it for me - Barabara Ellen, India Knight, Kathryn Flett, Nancy Banks-Smith, Marina Hyde...
Non-Word journalist
You mean there are other magazines/papers?
(I could mention some Swedish names that wouldn´t mean much to anyone else around here.)
Indeed
I do not 'like' jounalists, in the same way that I do not 'like'
fishcounters at a supermarket. If I I have a happy experience with someone in the process and maybe them with me, it's a good thing. It depends entirely on what I get and they get. It's not about like. However, I think that Stuart Maconie's cutesy photos in the Radio Times i.e. same smiling face as loveable mouse, weather reporter, flower arranger for the stars, are better than any over the counter laxative that I could possibly find legally in the EU. What happened Stuart ?
Svenska journalister
Jan Gradvall är en bra skribent, tycker jag. Och jag brukar också läsa Nils Hansson musikartiklar i DN.
Hej!
Jag "följer" dessutom Mats Olsson (även om jag inte är intresserad av sport), Malena Rydell, Andres Lokko och Fredrik Strage samt saknar Lennart Persson.
Two Words
Ben. And Goldacre.
Absolutely.
Seconded. And thirded as well, if possible.
Fifthed
Funny and important. A good combination
Sorry
Forget to mention that Giles Coren is a bollocks.
Seconded
He certainly is.
Thirded
So true. Piggish table manners too.
Clive James
I sometimes imagine a monthly column from him in't Word
For God's Sake Man !
Is it via a mirror, backwards, after the Lord's Prayer has been said in reverse three times !
Sorry Jamso
where exactly did I go meringue?
Sorry There Old Boy
Just something nabout the bugger gives me the vapours. Did he sire Dara O' Breeeeyanne in some eilicit backstairs wrestle ? Can't stand him either.
I would love it if Clive James...
could feature on the weekly podcast one time. It would be brilliant.
Don't tempt so!
Fantastic plan, already no doubt has passed across the Hepworth/Ellen synapses.
According to his website Mr James has uploaded swathes of his Radio Four 'A Point of View' talks. But I can't be completely certain because I haven't clicked on to listen yet.
Have a look anyway. There are also full downloads of a few of his 'Postcard' tv documentaries on there too. It's becoming an absolute gold mine of a site.
Nancy Banks-Smith
I rarely watch TV but always find time to read NB-S, the Guadian's irregular TV critic. She possesses an enviably beautiful style and a genuinely lovely way with words.
Well said
It's a pity that so many of her rare reviews these days are about soaps, which I don't watch. I didn't see My Street either; I wish I had but I doubt that I would have enjoyed it more than her review: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/feb/22/television.tvandradioarts
Yeah
whenever I see her occasional columns in the Grauniad I make a beeline for them. Wonderful.
Votes also for :
Ben Goldacre
Simon Hoggart
Brooker
I used to love Martin Johnson's acerbic cricket writing. Haven't seen any for a while.
That's because Martin Johnson writes for The Sunday Times
He probably writes for The Times during the rest of the week. I haven't looked.
Boris Johnson, at a Spectator editorial meeting, criticised an absent colleague for deserting The Daily Telegraph for The Times. Someone mentioned the 100% pay increase he had received for doing so. Boris shut up and dreamt a little.
I wondered
where he is these days. It's terible but I don't even remember which paper I used to read him in. It was irrelevant really as I only read it for his writing...
Caitlin Moran
She has a column in the Times on Mondays where she writes about whatever she wants and also does the TV review on Saturdays plus some occasional pieces. She's usually entertaining, funny and spot-on. (I think she has occasionally contributed to Word however, which may disqualify her from this topic!).
The word smug was invented for her
I'm not a fan. She's still precocious.
Yep.
Indeed.
Precocious, Elle?
Can someone still be considered precocious when they're in their mid-thirties?
Precociousness
I've no particular view on Ms Moran, whose writing I sometimes enjoy, but this reminds me a line from Haruki Murakami's Kafka on the Shore, where the mysterious librarian tells the protagonist that his boss was precocious as a girl, and like a lot of precocious young people she had a lot of trouble becoming an adult.
It's an insight I have found useful to apply frequently since.
That's what I mean
Taylor Parkes
Who you never read in print anywhere much these days more's the pity. He does bits in Quietus once in a while. Easily the best Maker/NME journalist from 'my era' (pre- and post-Britpop i guess you could call it).
No offence to the rest!
I might well have liked his writing
if I hadn't gone to school with him.
Bitter, frustrated, failed rock musician. Like many others. (Me included...)
Must add that I'm sure he is a perfectly decent chap & that his talent for writing was evident at an early stage.
These school days things run deep.
Michael Bywater
Used to buy the Sindy mainly for Michael Bywater, e.g.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/black-godfrey-and-nick-j...
and
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/confessions-of-an-englis...
glad to see he still pops up occasionally:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/a-lament-for-louche-lo...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/that-summer-why-some-y...
MacUser
he used to have the closing column at the end of MacUser, then he and the late great Tony Tyler did alternative issues. When Bywater went elsewhere CSM filled the slot... goes all misty eyed and remembers having an whole 16k of RAM in my work's Mac and colleagues asking why I needed so much...
Frank Gardner
Earned his stripes the hard way, courageous, extremely knowledge and proper RP voice.
The Observer
I really like Andrew Rawnsley on politics, Nick Cohen on general columnly stuff and Victoria Coren for some smart humour. I always like David Aronovitch (?) and Alexi Sayle's Indy columns are frequently excellent.
Oh, and it is nice to see CSM in Word at last. Whoops, I went off piste.
Peter Bradshaw
Also writes in Guardian on a Friday (along with Alexis Petridis mentioned in the first post). Intelligent and witty film reviews - I always end up reading every one rather than skimming.
Bradshaw's review of Guy Ritchie's
last fim (Gotcha?) was utterly hilarious. Had me in stitches...can't find it on the web.
This one?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/sep/05/thriller
That's it!
He should have got an award for that, one of the best reviews I've ever read.
Brilliant!
I imagine he'll have watched these events with interest:
That is
brilliant - proppa supa!
Matthew Norman
is good on sport and politics in various papers. His media column in the Indie on Mondays is particularly good and usually raises a laugh, especially when he railing against "Mad Mel" Phillips or John "Gaunty" Gaunt.
I usually read David Aronovitch even though his pomposity can sometimes get in the way. Ditto for Ben Goldacre. Like Mr Wonn I really like Deborah Orr. But occasionally just for the sheer rubber necking fun of it, I dig out Michael Winner and his Sunday Times column Winner's Dinners.
Hugo Rifkind
In The Thunderer is amusing when the mood takes him. Giles Coren gets on my tits. The Telegraph's art critic Richard Dorment is always compelling - explains things beautifully and simply, points out lots of bits you'd never normally pick up on and is, at the same, gloriously pompous in an inoffensive old-school-tie, smells-faintly-of-good-claret-and-cigars type of way. Sort of like Henry Blofeld.
Giles Coren
If I were a sub-editor I would wilfully defenestrate his copy, just to piss him off and enjoy winding him up. He's not a bad writer when the mood takes him but his dad was in a different league altogether; he possibly wasn't even playing the same game. I miss the old duffer on The News Quiz and in print
Robert Fisk
Probably the most knowledgeable journalist on Middle East Affairs. His commentary pieces in The Independent are always worth reading.
Jason Burke, who is also good on the Middle East and well informed on terrorism. He writes for The Guardian and the Observer. His book on Al-Qaeda is very relevatory.
From the above I'm another Ben Goldacre fan.
Has anyone mentioned David Lacey, football writer from The Guardian? Always measured and unhysterical.
Hear Hear Robert Fisk
I have only heard him on the BBC World Service but he takes the trouble to find out what's actually going on. A Proper Journalist.
Wonder what he listens to?
Bob and Ben
Another vote for Robert Fisk. His books are brilliant but too long - can be very off putting. He promises the next one will be shorter.
Ben Goldacre is doing the world a favour by putting the boot into the con artists and snake oil salesmen who plague our times.
Ben again...
Yes, a fascinating piece on his blog about how the peer review process can be undermined and errors or deliberate misinformation can spread virally through a network:
http://www.badscience.net/2009/08/how-myths-are-made/
Fisk
Re what he listens to, he did actually do an episode of Private Passions on R3 a few months ago, playlist is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/privatepassions/pip/85cac/
A Fisk sceptic writes
Based on the recommendations above, I sought out some pieces by Fisk as I hadn't read any of his work before. Have to say I was disappointed to read it was just more of the same colonial guilt-tripping that's de rigeur these days.
Above all, his indulging of the Islamist fantasy that all would be right with the world if Israel was (to quote that nice Mr. Ahmedinijad) wiped off the face of the earth. To point out how absurd that notion is, you only have to think of a parallel situation in which a small European country (Luxembourg perhaps) was in territorial conflict with an Islamic state who were felt to be the aggressors. By the logic of this argument, 'we' (white European Christians) would then have justification to launch attacks on 'them' (random Muslims anywhere in the world) to avenge this territorial outrage.
Seems to me his perceived strength (he has lived in the Middle East for many years) could be his downfall as virulent anti-Semitism is probably bound to seep in after a while. Knowing a society's views well (as, sadly, I've no doubt he does) does not necessitate supporting them and propogating them on their behalf. As if the above wasn't bad enough, I see he's also a '9/11 truther'. Enough said.
Then again, to quote another Word poster (sorry, name escapes me), I could be wrong about this. I don't actually know what I'm talking about.
If you can quote
anything where Robert Fisk suggests that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth I'll ask Fraser to delete my recommendation.
I find Fisk even handed in his criticism. He's certainly no Islamist. He voices opinions that both sides find uncomfortable, that's for sure.
I was unaware he was a 9/11 truther. However to what degree? Is he one of those who says the USA itself destroyed the towers or someone who states that there are still aspects, especially on the intelligence side, that remain unexplained?
Don't want to indulge in 'Fisking'*
*the cutting and pasting of selective quotes, with inserted criticism
It's not that he himself believes that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth, it's that (as I said) he indulges the fantasies of those who do believe this, by broadening this specific (and at least partly genuine) grievance of the Palestinians into a general Muslim cause that can be used to some extent to justify acts of terrorism / insurgency / radicalism, call it what you will.
He uses phrases like 'we have no business occupying Muslim lands' but again, you only have to invert that to see how it sounds - 'Christian lands' instead of 'Muslim lands'. That's far too general a stance for me - that there are *no* circumstances in which 'our' forces should set foot in 'their' lands. Is the US 'occupying' Germany? They have bases there after all.
Fisk on 9/11
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-...
sounds like he's been in the Middle East too long, if you ask me ... but really, what do I know ...
Slightly worrying
use of the third person in the article. Funny how you never see him and Bargepole together isn't it? ;-)
Fisk on 9/11
From that article: "Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East."
Clearly he's asking questions about the gaps in the intelligence. Don't try and smear him by lumping him in with the lunatics.
There are gaps in the July 7th narrative (as Charles Clarke chose to label it) as well. That doesn't make me a 7/7 "truther". I have no doubts that Mohammed Siddique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Hasib Hussain and Germaine Lindsay were the bombers, but there are gaps in that narrative that haven't been explained. It may be that they can't be explained, because the people who should know don't know. Being sceptical about the completeness of the official version is just that, scepticism.
Sorry
just for clarity-I wouldn't "lump him in", I just wasn't that impressed with that piece compared to some of his best. I am sure he has an independent mind.
It's just that
you can take any event (car crash, whatever) and retrospectively find anomalies, patterns, coincidences or things which 'just don't add up'. To use a frivolous example, more in mainstream Word territory - the 'Paul is Dead' rumours. If you were of a mind (and many people were) you could find a wealth of apparently convincing signs pointing to a sinister cover up. I'm not suggesting Fisk is a 'raver' but by aligning his hefty journalistic reputation with those who are, he doesn't do us or them any favours imho. The empathising with suicide bombers is another example - 'I of course condemn this outrage, but on the other hand I can see where they're coming from'.
"the whole lunatic, meretricious
"war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East."
I can see little that's arguable in that statement
I was struck by the podcast recently with Patrick Hennessey who came across as resourceful, intelligent, considered and undoubtedly brave. I knew another similar who died in Afghanistan.
I have no doubt that Islamic fundamentalism is a dire threat. That we must seek to eradicate it is unquestionable. However, attempting to do so by alienating almost the entire Muslim world does not seem productive.
Whilst I do find some of Fisk's analysis untenable, I know from having lived and worked in the Middle East and Indonesia, that he is,broadly speaking, right about the imgage of the West that is being engendered in the Middle East and the broader Islamic world.
If any war has a point - it must have a purpose, a remit, an outcome and an exit strategy. I can see none of these visible in the "war on terror".
If this is an argument about taking sides, I am on the side of freedom and democracy and the free market - I cannot see how our actions currently are furthering any of these.
Fair enough
I just find the prevailing 'war is, like, a bad scene, man' view a bit too comfortable. As if 'peace' is a walk in the park (despite Michael Moore's best efforts to portray this in his seminal work of 'truthtelling' Fahrenheit 9/11).
Positive news stories from Iraq or Afghanistan (like the huge election turnouts) are always portrayed as 'outliers' to the general 'we're all doomed' consensus, which is taken as accepted fact. Of course things have been extremely difficult since 2001, but apparently some people need a gentle reminder that 9/11 was planned during the cuddly Clinton/Gore years.
Quite reasonably
Fisk will sue anyone who calls him anti-semitic. He is not - though some people try to lable him as such to discredit him. He identifies Israel as a grievence with Islamic people - which it is. And Israelis can quite reasonably fee aggrevied with the people attacking them. I've never read anything in suggests that there is a solution apart from finding a way to get along together - but he strongly doubts this will happen.
I think Fisk's most interesting question on 9/11 is "why did these people want to do this to the West?". Just saying they are evil is not a sufficient answer. (and no I am not suffering neo-colonial guilt, or excusing terrorists).
Off to listen to music now - more Word territory.
But that's my point
'Israel is a grievance with Islamic people'. Why? Palestinians, yes, but all Muslims? Makes no more sense than my Luxembourgian scenario.
Rod Liddle
is usually worth reading.
Marina Hyde
Another vote for the wonderful Marina. Her Friday celeb pages are so funny. The likes of Lady Macca and Trudy Styler must really despise her, so she must be doing something right.
She's funny
But sometimes I haven't got a clue what she's on about. Her style is meandering. But her targets are spot on. She knows how to burst a bubble.
Laura Barton
Her Hail Hail Rock n Roll columns for The Guardian are delightfully well written.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/12/popandrock.laurabarton
Quite right
and I'm pleased to see she's also a Word journalist this month
thanks for the link
great piece
Yes!
Glad to see that I am not the only fan of Laura. Her Guardian columns are my favourite pieces of music writing - so much better than the usual ladschool rock journalism. She is much more subtle and insightful about music than most, and has had me scurrying to Spotify on many occasions to find some new delights. Worth her weight in gold.
John Pilger...
whoever he's writing for. Wonderful.
Absolutley Patrick
I had somehow not thought of John Pilger in all this because, for me, he exists on an altogther different level of excellence and integrity. Best recommendation of the lot.
His work is of the utmost importance...
and I respect him immensely. I've been watching all his documentaries over the last few months and I have learnt so much from them. Truly a top bloke.
That Is Why
his work is often sidelined and scheduled according to the whims of the corrupt. He educates and tells the truth. This doesn't go down well. The man is priceless.
We should cherish the fact that we can still read and watch...
what he has to say, because I doubt very much that the mainstream media (especially televison producers) will encourage anyone else to carry on his line of journalism when he finally calls it a day. A Michael Moore, perhaps... but let's not get started on him.
No, lets
You don't see Pilger and Moore as polemicists then? You may still think they play a valuable role, but to present them as 'truthtellers' is highly debatable imho...
I have several reservations about Pilger but even I can see he is in a different league to Moore. Don't you agree?
Chris Ayres
Times reporter.
His books, 'Death by Leisure' and 'War Reporting for Cowards' are fantastic
Seconded
Death by Leisure is terrific - not read the other one you mention.
Does he still write regularly for The Times?
Yes
Plenty on Times website about Jackson, Hefner's recent house sale etc
thanks - and also may I recommend Geoff Dyer
author of the quite brilliant "But Beautiful" - a Guardian contributor
Giles Coren
is a double bollocks. Nepotism or Necromancy ?
Justification re. necromancy
Although his father could be amusing, he had a more than accidental ability to stumble into other peoples jokes. He was also in the New Yardbirds, briefly. on Moog. Percy did not get his way and began to deveop an unhealthy fascinaion with relative normality vis a vis gnomes . ( I am considering seeking treatment, I promise, but too so many steps.. f'narr )
Giles Coren : my favourite ever restaurant review
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/giles_coren/article4...
I wonder
if he excoriated a sub for 'vandalising' his work.
However, on this occasion, the review is so good that I'll forgive him. That's a great review, which is unusual for a restaurant critic.
Thinking of such things, for an all too short period in 2004-2005 Victor Lewis Smith did some restaurant reviews for the Guardian. He reviewed an East End pie and mash shop utterly unironically and gave it a great review.
Reviews:
Roka: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/feb/26/foodanddrink.shopping
Little Chef - A65 near Clapham, Lancs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/apr/02/foodanddrink.shopping...
Audrey's Fish And Chip Shop, Bridlington, East Yorkshire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/apr/23/foodanddrink.shopping...
Manze's Pie & Mash Shop London SE1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2004/sep/25/foodanddrink.shopping...
A good writer in a crap paper
- to, wit London giveway Metro - is Marina O'Loughliin.
Articulate, acerbic and - above all - anonymous. A great asset in a restaurant reviewer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/feb/27/pressandpublishing.food
Has no one mentioned Matthew Parris yet?
I find his column in the Times on Saturdays compulsive reading - erudite, polite, razor sharp, penetrating, informed... the velvet gloved hand of pomposity's destruction, no less.
Last year, on hols, I bought and read a second hand copy of Clive James' 'The Crystal Bucket' - mid 70s TV review columns for the Observer; uncannily, my pal - and fellow Word reader - Uncle Spike did exactly the same thing on his hols this summer. I think we both agree, CJ is a genius. Is anyone re-reading volumes of, say, Piers Morgan's columns these days? I rest my case...
Lucy Mangan
I just find her various Guardian columns funnier and funnier.
And there's not enough Charles Shaar Murray in The Word.
CSM...
a bloody legend.
Boogie Man
I've just finished CSM's biography of John Lee Hooker. It's superb; weaves all sorts of threads together.
He is the living proof that Frank Zappa's dictum about music journalists is, if not wrong, then not always right.
'there's not enough Charles Shaar Murray in The Word'
...although I'd say there were probably enough words in 'Charles Shaar Murray'. Indeed, possibly erring on the one-too-many side...
there's not enough CSM
in MacUser any more, there's hee-haw CSM
I agree...
with most of the above, especially Marina Hyde and Peter Bradshaw, but one of the best writers around has to be David Thomson who writes about film for the oft-mentioned-herein Guardian. He has an amazing, fluid way with language and has insight that other writers can only dream of, meaning that even if the subject is of no interest, the article always is. He also has exquisite taste.
David Thomson
Fantastic shout
Although primarily a critic and journalist, he also wrote a great novel called Suspects featuring characters from some great movies from the 30s through the 70s and woven into a dark and compelling tale
Silver Light is good too as is Warren Beatty and Desert Eyes - an extraordinary blend of fact and fiction using a biography of Warren B as its starting point
His A Biographical Dictionary of Film (various editions)is indispensable - and you're right about his taste and writing style
and...
at the risk of turning this into a Thomson love-in, last year's 'Have You Seen..?' is the single best guide to films I've ever read. You can just work your way through the thing.
The Grand Fromage of sports journalism
Hugh McIlvanney surely deserves a mention. I always savour his writing, like a fine malt, even if the subject matter is often of little interest to me (horse racing, for example).
His attention to detail is such that he is famous for 'getting off a train to change a comma'. Giles Coren eat your heart out.
Also from the Thunderer, I enjoy reading Daniel Finkelstein (his
Comment Central blog is a very handy commentariat roundup), David Aaronovitch and Matthew Parris.
I have to say
that Hugh McIlvanney's prose is little purple-ish for my taste - similarly James Lawton
A pale lilac
perhaps ;-)
A quick word for the weekend FT
John Lloyd's TV column is always interesting, and contrarian- though not for the sake of it (in my opinion); and Peter Aspden is a graceful arts writer.
I find their weekend magazine is superb, and only regret that Lloyd isn't editing it any more as that was an even more extraordinarily concentrated high quality read.
We also used to read Hamish McRae but I don't get the Sindy as much as I did now that Bywater's column is gone.
I was also a fan of the "late" Richard Geefe ;-)
http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~cow/studio/geefe.html