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Which musical instrument would you get rid of?
Posted by Steve Turner on 31 March 2009 - 1:13pm.
Assuming that musical instruments were like animals and you had to get rid of one to preserve the rest, which would it be?
For me it has to be The Cowbell - used extensively in rock in the late sixties early seventies it is truly revolting - one dimensional, without any saving grace whatsoever. Name me a piece of music other than Honky Tonk Woman where a cowbell has benefitted the sound.
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Chromatic harmonica
Sorry, Stevie. It's blues harp or nothing.
Chromatic
Pretty sure Little Walter played a Chromatic on Muddy Waters' I'm Ready. Does that confuse the issue?
Yes
Now I'm confused. I'm going to listen to it right now.
Right
I've had another listen. He certainly makes it sound bluesy, so I guess that's what I mean. What I don't like is the kind practiced by say, Stevie Wonder.
I'm including this for anyone that wants it.
Any excuse to listen to it
For me, that's one of the peaks of the blues. Thanks for posting the track.
I've just checked up (I'm a harp player) and pretty much the only way to get those chords that he uses in the background is to play it on a Chromatic, and some of the low notes indicate that it's a 16-hole variety. He's playing through an amp obviously with some spring reverb on it.
I guess the point is that it's not the instrument, but what you do with it. All musical instruments are tools and it's up to the musician what they sound like. I can quite understand how someone would like Little Walter playing a chromatic, but not (Little) Stevie Wonder. It's the music, the musician, but not the instrument.
Thanks
I shall be more careful in future when slagging off the chromatic harmonica! If Little Walter played it, that's good enough for me.
What a bizarre question
But, seeing as you ask, I don't hope for a revival of 1980s syn-drums and drum machines any time soon.
The Saxophone
I love the trumpet but the saxophone has never done anything for me. Squaling and farting along on all rock records, only in small doses on jazz & soul do I tolerate it. John Coltrane I appreciate but I won't listen to him for long. Give me Lee Morgan any day.
I sneer at your cowbell suggestion sir. Have you never heard latin jazz/soul? Honky Tonk Woman is an example of how not to use the cowbell. This is Mongo Santamaria:
Saxophone? Mais non!
Ah!
But Soul & Jazz are the exception in me contradicting myself. Soul Serenade has always been my favourite King Curtis flying along on a hammond groove. It is sax & rock that should never mix. Probably.
With all due respect to Junior Walker
There are few artists I love more than Junior Walker. Nevertheless it has to be said that “sax” features on more bad records than good ones. If anyone were making a parody “godawful rock record”, comprising all the the elements, the “sax solo” would be a key moment.
And then there’s the issue of the sort of people who “take up” the “sax”. . .
If Half man Half Biscuit haven’t already made a song about people “taking up” “the sax” it’s surely only a matter of time.
Taking up the sax
What sort of person takes up the sax then? I started lessons 6 months ago and enjoy it immensely and I like to think I'm a normal sort of guy but you obviously beg to differ.
Absolutely Right
the GLW has bought a sax (Yamaha 475) and I refuse to believe that this amounts to a shortcoming on her (or my ) part - keep it up
'Wind' In The Willows
I'm pretty sure that on the first 'Wind In The Willows' album (Debbie Harry's first band)someone was credited with playing the Tibetan Anus Flute. I don't think the world would miss those...
The Occarina
As used to great effect on 'Wild Thing' and 'California Dreaming'; all the charm of a small child learning the recorder.
Gotta have more cowbell
@Steve Turner
Q) "Name me a piece of music other than Honky Tonk Woman where a cowbell has benefitted the sound."
A) (Don't Fear) The Reaper.
This should explain
http://www.funnyhub.com/videos/pages/snl-more-cowbell.html
also
A Bomb in Wardour Street
Cowbells: moments of glory
Surely the intro to Mountain's 'Mississippi Queen' and the bit where the acoustic preamble and angular electric squalling gives way to the blistering riff of the song-proper in Jethro Tull's 'Minstrel In The Gallery' (or, if that was too complicated to follow, the bit at the start of the single-edit) are prime cowbell moments?
admittedly a bit limited in scope, but used frugally and well it's sublime. Dare one suggest its gone a long way on a little?
Oboe
Sorry, Mr McKay, but oboe is a classical instrument and has no place poncing up unclassical music. True too, (ex) Mrs Kirkpatrick.
Burn the oboes!!!!!
But that would deprive us of
the lovely "Conversation Piece'
...At least I think there's an oboe in there...
Quack quack oops!
Believe it or not, it's a Stylophone! I imagine Space Oddity was one of the first hits to use it. You can hear Rolf's third favourite instrument even more clearly on the demo version.
Mea culpa
Sorry Nick, I didn't read your post properly, being fooled by the Space Oddity cover. Conversation Piece does indeed contain an oboe - and nothing wrong in that anyway.
Banished to the outer darkness: 'The Chapman Stick'
I can't express strongly enough how much I despise(d) everything about this instrument and all that it represented. It was an instrument seemingly created for nerdy, techy bores and fret-widdlers who subscribed to guitar-player type magazines in the '80s - people who could probably 'play', but who had almost certainly nothing to 'say', or nothing that anyone in their right mind would want to listen to. It was the bass equivalent of that 80s guy who played his electric guitar like a piano and popped up on TV for a while - kind of clever but pointlessly so. NOBODY on earth played it except for (a) the bloke in Kajagoogoo, whose fame decreased exponentially with his favouring of the Stick, (b) the bloke in 80s King Crimson (but then you'd expect that, wouldn't you?), and (c) a rathey geeky chap - a friend of a friend - who lived round my way. The fact that I can't remember his name possibly says something!
If the Cowbell Colin H
How come Mike Oldfield doesnt announce them in Tubular Bells in the manner of 'two slightly distorted cowbells"?
Fretless bass
or, a normal bass being thwacked by Mark King's thumb. Horrible.
Fretless bass - how right you are
How the heart sank during an 80s dominated by the dreadful sound of fretless bass boinging away on Paul Young and John Martyn records plus the endless echoing enormo-snare sound of tinny drums on records by Simple Minds and, after a while, virtually everyone else. No, there was nothing redeeming whatsoever about recorded music in the 1980s. It was a living hell.
Oh surely
You can't get rid of an instrument just because of the way Pino Palladino played it? Keep the instrument, get rid of Pino Palladino, sorted!
Mick Karn did some wonderful things with a fretless!
As did, of course, Jaco Pastorius
as well as the man who wrote of himself as the "man they called when Pino Palladino wasn't available", Guy Pratt.
Banjos
Who says I need a reason?
And Tony Levin does great things with the Chapman stick so I'd request a reprieve on that.
Banjos
Ah come off it! Without banjos Steve Martin wouldn't have a career.
Massive Flail.
http://www.last.fm/music/The+Rockingbirds/_/Band+of+Dreams?autostart
What's the difference between a banjo and a trampoline?
You take your shoes off before you jump on a trampoline.
You'd like to Levin the discussion?
I'm sorry, even if he was Beethoven we'd still have to banish the 'Stick' to oblivion. Schubert wrote one sonata for the 'Arpeggione' - a cross between guitar and cello which was fashionable for about 10 minutes in the 1820s - which is now played by cello but still referred to as the 'Arpeggione Sonata', without which reference the instrument, pointless and absurd, would be utterly forgotten.
That latter fate - given that Schubert isn't currently available to pen the 'Chapman Stick Sonata' - awaits the wretched Stick.
Even worse..
The Apreggione Sonata wasn't published until well over 40 years after Schubert had snuffed it.
A Schubert publishing expert...
I'm impressed! Who says Word readers have no cultural hinterland beyond Nick Cave, Elvis Costello, Richard Thompson and sour-looking beardy people?
Pan Pipes
Nothing more annoying, though I didn't mind them in Fitzacaraldo, but can't stand them anywhere else.
Anything
attached to Chris Martin
The tambourine
or, more specifically, the plastic crescent shaped tambourine played by singers with nothing better to do.
A proper tambourine is circular with a drumhead!
The bhodran
So many sessions ruined by people who can't play but do.
Bagpipes
Obviously.
Don't
diss the Northumbrian pipes - I'm with you on the shouty highland ones, though
Are bagpipes really a
Are bagpipes really a musical instrument? Whatever ) would be happy if every last one of them was burned to death.
I'd use a big pile of recorders to get the fire going as well!
So, so
wrong, John - though I sympathise on the recorders ... and also any Irish bagpipes used to forciby inject life into a Westlife (or any other) song ...
As a Scotsman ...
... I'm with you on the abolition of bagpipes from recorded music (I'm just one of a whole generation scarred for life by Mull Of Kintyre).
However, in the instrument's defence, in my opinion there are few more stirring sounds than massed pipes and drums in close proximity.
Much as Normo Tebbs tried to define a true Englishman as someone who supports England at cricket, I'd say that the definiton of a true Scotsman is whether the sound of a bagpipe band raises the hairs on the back of your neck.
Either that, or always having a lump in your throat when you see That Archie Gemmill Goal Against Holland for the umpteenth time.
I hate the flute
it's noise gets on my wick, but not as much as the fact its players call themselves flautists - why not fluters or flutists? Then there's the dance fluters in do when they are 'getting into the music' -immobile from the waist down, rocking/twisting/swaying in the middle, eyes firmly shut. I don't recall whether Fotherington-Thomas played an instrument - if he did, I'm sure he'd be a flute tooter.
Flute tooters you say?
Gotta love a bit of Herbie...
Watch it!
And even more on this subject....
Enough?
OK
please stoppit now. Please.
(Actually, the first clip is not bad at all. I was thinking more of the excruciating sound that emanates all along the Royal Mile in Edinburgh, which is truly wince-worthy.)
Generally the people who can play bagpipes well don't busk.
I actually once said to a particularly bad one "Do you know Loch Lomond?" (that being a pipe tune as well as a body of water.) Before he could answer I swiftly followed it up with "Could you go and play there?"
Can I have another go...
Howsabout the "keytar", hideous keyboard slung around the neck and played like a gee-tar. Vile, vile, vile. I'm getting images of Earth, Wind & Fire.......
...or the Moog Liberator.
Essentially the same as the Keytar but with a tasteful plastic wood applique
I think it is safe to say that as good as they are...
they failed the old grey whistle test! How is a milkman supposed to whistle that?!
You mean this, Retro?
As played by the great Jan Hammer. Actually, I agree - they look absurd, and Jan himself always looks much better/more like the compositional/improvisational wiz he is behind a sedentary Moog. But still, what would I know...
Keytar crime
I agree - ban it forever, remember the keytar almost broke up The Flight Of Conchords!
Excessive chops!
What did happen to jazz/rock?
It's still noodling furiously in the cultural margins...
I would imagine that the North Sea Jazz Festival is still a second home to the twiddly brigade.
I would love to see these vanish overnight...
Steinberger guitars. Eeeuuurrrggh.
I'm told
they're really nice to play, but I'm with you, Patrick - they just look wrong. (Writes a guitarist...)
The ukulele
and anyone who plays it clearly have no place whatsoever in the rock pantheon...
gertcha!
are you removing George Harrison & Joe Brown from the rock pantheon ?
Mark, Mark
dear boy, you won't get invited to Cropredy saying things like that to the massive ... anyways, question never said nuthin' bout rock
No!!!!!
Anyone whose heard the Magnetic Fields would surely shout down the ukele suggestion..... surely?
I would suggest that stupid, water-thin lap-slider thing that turns up on country records and hawain music. can;t bear it.
Pedal Steel guitar.
...makes a musical skid-mark in my world.
Gasp!
Gasp! It's probably the only instrument that actually makes me smile.
any band or artist
who attemtps to make music WITHOUT instruments...
flying pickets
bobby mc ferrin
anne briggs without the nice guitar stuff behind her...
please. enough.
No, surely not!
McFerrin definitely, Picketts probably, but surely not Anne Briggs! The unaccompanied 'Recruited Collier' from 1962 has to be among the loveliest pieces of recorded music in the history of the stuff. No....?
5 string bass
The first glimpse of a 5 string electric bass at a gig guarantees:
1. terrible overall sound. Dunno why, just does.
2. bass player with ideas above his station - solos, chords, etc
3. probably 2 keyboard players
4. percussion workouts, possibly before aforementioned bass solo
5. constant threat of gaudy burst of "funky workout".
What is wrong with an old Precision? Answer - nothing at all.
Six
string even worse - Good Charlotte?
Are 5 strings
The bass equivalent of "these go up to 11"?
It's not what you play...
...but how you play it. I love the saxophone as played by Ben Webster, Dexter Gordon, John Coltrane, Coleman Hawkins and a host of other Jazz greats, but cannot think of a single rock record where I wouldn't rather the sax wasn't there - and that definitely includes Pink Floyd.
Similarly, I have a problem with the pedal steel guitar of the out and out country variety - but I am happy enough when it is in the hands of someone like Daniel Lanois.
Cor Anglais - allez ouste
Not because I dislike it, I just can't think of any records that have one, ergo, it's out.
Talk Talk's
Spirit of Eden has Cor Anglais. So it's back in.
It's kind of the 5 String Bass...
...of the oboe world. But actually, there is someone who's played it on a few more-or-less rock records. Can't quite recall her name - Kate St John, possibly? something like that anyway - used to be in a fey 80s band, has recorded with various others inc. Van since. Oh, somebody must know....
But on the oboe front, surely Andy McKay's use of it on Roxy's 'If There Is Something', 'Sea Breezes', 'Out Of The Blue' etc redeems it from Room 101? And while we're on the subject, surel;y his particularly beautiful and understated sax on '2HB' from the first Roxy album should make a case for the (admittedly almost always wretched) instrument's redemption?
Ravishing Beauties
I think - is she the beauty who married Syd Griffin (Sid Gryffin?)?
The very same
Kate St John has played on a lot of records, being pretty much the go-to gal for oboe and cor anglais on pop records. Her own albums are very lovely indeed, especially Second Sight. Beautiful arrangements, some excellent songs, and her own, ever-so-English singing voice, breathy and engaging.
The whole idea of "getting rid of" an instrument is, of course ridiculous.
Something to put on the gravestone
Loving daughter, wife, mother, and the go-to gal for oboe and cor anglais
Gibson guitars
Saw The Who live the other night in Adelaide. Pete Townshend obviously wants Gibson guitars removed from the face of the earth after he gave a heckler what for in response to a request to play one.
Has anybody mentioned the lagerphone yet?
What does he play these days?
I always have the image of him playing the identical sunburst Les Pauls with the Letraset number (1 to 8 I think) on the body
I've seen him play Stratocasters a fair bit...
at least I think they are, I'm no guitar geek.
Right, so Pete wasn't, on that occasion...
...'sitting in his Sheraton Gibson playing his Gibson...'?*
[* I'm afraid you'd need to own his solo LP 'Who Came First' - which nobody in the world does - to appreciate the reference.]
I had that song
on a TDK C90 for years. Loved it. Now go look for it. It may have been on Scoop as well if memory serves me right.
Gather in the lutes
In the dark period of history pre-dating the discovery of the potato, the lute was the refined instrument of an otherwise brutal era. Back then it was typically played by men in curly shoes, for the benefit of young noblewomen who were destined to be married-off to French aristocrats, before dying in their early 20s of womb blight, or scurvy of the bosom.
At some point in our nation’s history, the acoustic guitar eased ahead of the lute as the instrument of choice for the solo troubadour. Amplified music kicked a carpet of cigarette ash and soiled groupies over its memory.
To modern ears the lute is a sexless instrument, played at chest height, limited to expressions of courtly love and interminable dirges concerning My Laird’s Falcon and the like. Its antithesis - the electric guitar - is an instrument of pure sex. Seemingly weighted down by its own depraved, hell-bound gravity, it sinks naturally to groin level and is at its very best when played with legs splayed wide apart, accompanied by lascivious gyrations of the hips, and a roving ‘come backstage after the show and bring your mother’ eye. No one in their right mind would throw their underwear at someone who played a lute like this, except as an ironic gesture, rooted in a genuine disdain of the performer.
Rather than shuffle off to the graveyard of obsolete instruments, the lute has embraced it status as a cultural anachronism: In the 21st century, lute recitals are sometimes used to torture parties of children on school trips to castles and National Trust properties. The instrument’s continued existence has allowed Sting to claw back some of his ebbing credibility by recording an album of Early English music. This luting of the past is apparently intended to confer scholarly depth on a man better known for dreary, middle of the road AOR and hollow boasts of epic tantric shags.
Standing within earshot of a lute will cause some people to regress to the level of a medieval simpleton who uses the word “mayhap” in sentences, refers to women as “comely wenches” and pretends not to understand what a radio (or” sorcerous talking box”) is. The spontaneous ultra-violence instinctively meted-out on such individuals will eventually wipe this unfortunate trait from the collective gene pool. However the widespread availability of lutes in our society is doing little to speed the process along.
Somebody is going to chime-in and attempt to argue that lutes never really went away; that the guitar is the descendent of the lute; that the Fender Stratocaster that was drenched in lighter fluid and then set on fire by Jimmy Hendrix is technically an electric lute.
Maybe it’s time for us to take a leaf from Hendrix’s book. If your care about the future of music then you must burn your parent's lute.
NO! This time you go too far...
I have a load of lute recordings - in a master's or a maverick's hands it's an instrument of awe-inspiring sublimitude and rich musicality. Forget the fol-de-rol purveyors of faux medieval mediocrity and anything at all thatinvolves lute with vocal - invest, instead, in the amazing recordings of Nigel North (4 volumes of 'Bach On The Lute', including the incredible 6 cello suites specially transcribed, and 3 - with more volumes to come, apparently - of the complete instrumental works of John Dowland). And who can deny the legend that is Julian Bream? Or indeed the Dutch god of the strings Jan Akkerman - and speaking of whom...
I've got a fever, and it can only be fixed by more lute
Seconded-will check out that Nigel North, but am myself a huge admirer of Hopkinson Smith, can recommend "Album" and his Bach partitas collection "L'Oeuvre de Luth" ...
http://www.hopkinsonsmith.com/discography.asp
... at once dinner music, chillout music and close scrutiny headphone music, bless the day I happened on it in a French megastore iirc.
(but then I like Sting ...)
great to play i'm sure
but how i wince when it's time for a theramin solo at a gig
all that hand waving and those stuck-in-a-glass-box shapes
wrapped up like 'ethereal' is a good thing
If we are chucking in the lute...
...let's do away with the Hurdy Gurdy too.
Nooooooooooo........
(Was there actually a hurdy gurdy on it? I suspect not, sadly.)
Is there a sound like a cat being...
...dragged backward through a mangle? If not, no.
Classic song but...
not a hurdy-gurdy near it, I'm afraid...
And why has nobody mentioned the maraccas yet? Usually sported with over-compensatory energy by goons with little or no actual musical musical input to make - the bloke in Dr Hook with the eyepatch, the bloke in the Moody Blues with the big moustache, Mick Jagger, Andrew Ridgeley...*
* okay, I admit I've never seen footage of Ridgeley 'playing' the maraccas... but then, strictly speaking, I've never seen footage of Ridgeley 'playing' anything at all...
THIS has got a hurdy-gurdy in
(The hurdy action starts at 1:28)
The Plastic Jerry Can
in tandem with an accordion.
There are an enthusiastic tribe of buskers currently infesting the areas around Waterloo and Hungerford Bridge. Their favoured instruments are the accordion on which a small repertoire of tunes are stretched howling for mercy across it's rack of keys.
This wouldn't be so bad but the vogue is for them to be accompanied by a percussionists of limited rhythmic feel pounding what can only be described as fuck out of an empty plastic jerry can in 'time' to the frenzied tootling.
It's hell on toast to have to walk past at 8:30 in the morning in a foot tunnel with it cannoning at you from all sides.
I'm always tempted to lift a few coins out of the hat at their feet as recompense. There isn't a jury in the land that would convict me.
Accordion buskers
They're everywhere all of a sudden. Near House of Fraser & Pret in Birmingham, there is a pitch that is seemingly staffed by an Accordion agency. Both of the players that play there are frighteningly good. In Sutton Coldfield last weekend, there were three different players (two good, one bad) in "The Parade".
I'm guessing that most of these players are Polish. Personally, I love to hear well-played accordions...
On the subject of buskers - SCHOOL RECORDERS AREN'T COOL
All those street musicians thinking that playing "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" (or anything else for that matter) on a school recorder should earn them any of my hard-earned schrapnel is seriously kidding themselves.
Unfortunately, Andrew...
...the Polish Accordion Agency which looks after the pitches in Belfast doesn't have such a pool of virtuosity at its disposal. There's this bloke ALWAYS outside No Alibis bookstore in Botanic Avenue (University/coffee shop area central) who is the WORST musician in the world, on any instrument. I don't think he even tries. If I heard him even attempting to improve from atonal wheezing, I'd be inclined to give him cash, just for the effort...
Incidentally, speaking of No Alibis - the 'Hi Fidelity' of Belfast bookstores (characterful staff, wacky customers, regular folk/jazz/blues gigs in the evenings etc) - it's just been 'fictionally immortalised' in a book by Colin Bateman, 'Mystery Man', wherein the owner of the store (store has same name/location, owner's name changed) becomes an unwitting detective.
Has this happened to anyone else known to the Word massive - somebody fictionalising a pal in a very thinly veiled way in book/film/etc?
Speaking of No Alibis...
Eric rocking his ill-advised floppy haired look
Not a musical instrument exactly
But I would banish auto-tune forever. Records where everything is auto-tuned sound sterile and oddly painful to hear. We'll look back on this era and remember this effect with the fondness we now hold for Simmons Drums (i.e. not very much).
I think a certain amount of out-of-tuneness actually makes a record sound good, and I don't mean completely out (as in Wylie or the bloke from the the Lighthouse Family), but slight. In much the way that the pairs of strings on a mandolin make it sound bigger because they are slightly out against each other.
Well, I know what I mean anyway!
Autotune makes me want to smoke crack
...to misquote Beck. You've beaten me to it Andrew, I was going to mention autotune, to my mind the most unequivocally doleful muso-technological development of all. There's literally not one second of recorded music recorded with autotune that I'd miss if it were gone. My local café is, sadly, permanently tuned to autotune FM. After a few minutes of it I start to feel homicidal.
It's not just that it enables incapable singers to prosper (and after all there are plenty of other ways of doing that). It's that it's so dehumanizing. One of the most puzzling aspects of the positive reviews of the last Kanye West album was the seeming approval of the fact that he sang through autotune, as if this were a good thing, a legitimate artistic decision. Not in my book it ain't. Zero tolerance! Cher gets a stay of execution for novelty effect, for being so brazen about it, and because we all know she can sing. For the rest, no mercy. If you can't sing in tune, take courage from Phil Oakey and Marc Almond, be loud, flat and proud!
The bane of the 1980s...
...infecting recordings by all and sundry circa '84-'87, was the fretless electric bass, often played by the same man: one Pino Paladino. Not only was it an instrument whose sound induced an instant physical queasiness, but its playing apparently required that the player be wearing a pastel-coloured blazer with pushed-up sleeves. With the single exception of Jaco Pastorius--a classic case of the exception proving the rule--no musician should have been allowed near this thing, nor ever should be again.
And hey, all you uke haters, check out anything by the wonderful Beirut and hear just how wrong you've been.
You can add Guy Pratt and John Giblin
to the list of offenders as well.
Sting often played a fretless but he played it as if it were fretted - which seems a tad pointless to me.
Jaco is excepted as he (to paraphrase the man himself) "pulled the frets out and invented the f**king thing."
Yes, I'm with you on the fretless bass fatwah
Truly an awful sound, veritably the diced carrot in the pool of vomit that was the '80s.
Glorious fare... and the gag reflex
"the pool of vomit that was the '80s" still gets regurgitated on a regular basis - but I'll still willingly get some on my shoes again, despite this being the era when I just gave up on music for a while.
At the risk of undermining the fun aspect of a thread like this, isn't it a case with most instruments of bad workmen rather than the tools? Yin and Yang? I'd never rule any instrument out of play... even if it works just the once.
For example, Jaco Pastorius, the quoted exception to most of the fretless bass debate above, can provide both a gourmet experience and its pitfalls (sometimes a bit over-rich, with too many courses), while plenty of others only provoke the gag reflex with their use of the same ingredient.
Whilst a master of the fretless bass
Jaco did have some very odd ideas about arrangements. One of his few studio albums was 'Holiday For Pans' - a steel drum extravaganza with a bit of bass in there somewhere.