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Where is the best place to live in the UK? And why is it great?
Posted by Uncle Wheaty on 11 August 2009 - 10:42pm.
Ignore proximity to family etc.
What makes you live there for the countryside/nightlife/ frequency of Levellers gigs etc
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I wonder how many people
actually live in the place they would like to live if they could live there? [If you get me]
I would live somewhere else if I could, not that I dislike where I am, but if it were possible I'd move tomorrow.
As for recommending where I am living, I can't really point to anything that you couldn't get elsewhere. So I wont try.
So where do you live?
Don't come here!
The town I live in now (Luton) is pretty much rubbish and I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone else but it's convenient for gigs (only about 50 mins to central London in the evening) and handy for shopping (MK just up the road). It's only a 25 minute drive to work in the morning as well. We've often considered moving but we just don't know where we would move to without having to get new jobs as well.
London
One of the world's great cities and I'm fortunate enough to live here.
I really dislike London,
I really dislike London, there are bits that are tollerable but it is the getting there, getting around which depresses.
You get used to it
I've lived here for 22 years and I can't imagine living anywhere else.
Cotswolds
I live near them and they are marvellous. Chipping Campden should be somewhere everyone visits at least once.
The Kings Hotel does a great fish and chips.
Slough
Nah. Kidding.
Hey! Why the snobbery about Slough...?
Not all of us Word Bloggers are £50 men, Islington media luvvies you know!
Some of us are a bit poor and rough round the edges!
Anyway, Slough is RocknRoll...industrial, concrete jungle, multi-cultural, crime-ridden, it has all the credentials...I'm surprised Joe Strummer never claimed to have come from here!
It's also close to Bray and Henley too...
Its not snobbery
its an objective fact.
Where do you live then?
?
Yateley, Hampshire. I wouldn't nominate it either.
I have experience of Slough - The Maybox cinema was the first multiplex in my locale as a youth (I lived in Bracknell). The cinema made it worthwhile to visit Slough but it was difficult to find a decent pub to have a drink in before or after. Slough town centre seems to have been planned in the same afternoon as Bracknell's was by the same person. Working alone. With a hangover. Neither are anything other than moderately functional.
I meant no insult but Slough and places like it are examples of areas that have been established during a period where town planning was either non existent or badly done.
It's a dump indeed...
but needs must...I must admit that being from Reading it was the place that we used to take the piss out of!
It was hard to accept leaving London after 10 years to move to Slough but now I am getting quite defensive about the place.
It does get a hell of a lot of stick and I hate the snobbery about it, so what if it is a bit rough - Ricky Gervais comes from Whitley Wood and he has the nerve to mock Slough ha!
You're right though, I do miss having a real local that I can walk/stagger home from - there are fantastic pubs around the area - White Horse in Hedgerley, George On The Green Holyport being my favourites and of course Windsor - but all a train/taxi ride away.
It's got great transport - M4, M25, M40 and Heathrow all 15 minutes away - London on the fast train in less than 20 minutes and lots of late after-gig trains back too.
Lovely countryside and River Thames all close by - Henley, Marlow, Windsor and I saw Bjorn from Abba in the Bishop shopping Centre in Maidenhead once.
It's less than half an hour to the Madejski stadium and Paul Weller mentioned it in Eton Rifles...you see it's not all bad!
Bracknell is roundabout/concrete city but I could at least see Robyn Hitchcock there earlier in the year!
Well, if you're in Slough let's meet up for a pint - they have a great live band on at the heavy rock night at the Rising Sun every Thursday!
We are veritable neighbours
I trundle through Sluff (Slough) twice a day on my commute from Maidenhead into London. Once saw Frank Bough outside M&S. Rolf Harris waved at me when I stopped to let him cross the road in the town centre. Sat at a table next to Chris Rea at Malik's. And Tony Christie bought a meal for us there on another night (we were with one of his daughters who's a pal of mine). It's all go!
We do the Marlow-Windsor-Henley thing for the shops when we have nothing better to do at weekends.
Berkshire's good. Lots of green and your central to travel anywhere you need to. Except my native North-East which is 5 hours up!
You make a good point
Its easy to do Berkshire/Hampshire down based upon it not being London and gigs and bars being a little hard to come by. But you are able to get out and do/see an awful lot within 30 mins to an hour. You hob nob more than we do in Yateley though. Best I can manage is being behind Will Carling in the butchers.
We do Windsor for a potter and Reading for a more serious shop and head down into Hampshire for the scenery.
Are you two Royals
fans then...??
Nope
Leeds. Keep an eye on the Royals and catch a game now and then If I have a second team its Woking. I picked a fine pair.
I was there...
...at that Robyn Hitchcock gig at SHP.
I live in Bracknell. My bit is really nice, thanks.
Good gig but
a bit lacking in atmosphere! Well, it was Valentine's Night I suppose...luckily my wife thought taking her to Robyn Hitchcock gig was a romantic gesture!
Marvin Maybox!
That takes me back. Agreed re lack of decent pubs.
50 quid men are everywhere.
I would have thought it was a lot easier to be a 50 quid man if you live in Slough than it is if you live in Islington. I know I wouldn't have that much disposable income if I lived in the centre of London.
True enough
!
Glasgow
If you dont love the city your in...move.
Recently voted best city on the world for live music. Not sure I agree but nice to be noticed.
Prestwick Ayrshire
No. Hear me out.
I live in a small town with very low crime levels, 30 minutes from Glasgow, with remarkably good nightlife for its size, an airport which can get me to Barcelona in 2 hours from my door, low house prices which mean I live in a place I couldn't afford elsewhere, nice neighbours, no vandalism, strangers say hello in the street and theres a giant cat which greets me every morning. And the people in shops greet me by name. Plus its, thanks to the Gulf stream, the warmest and sunniest place in Scotland which, admittedly isnt saying much. I have a palm tree in my garden as a result. Seriously.
Its not bad.
Yes, but
you also have an airport whose slogan is "Pure Dead Brilliant".
"Pure Dead Brilliant"...
...is surely the advertising equivalent of the curly perm?
Plus
you can see this view (or similar) every day...
Indeed DougieJ
Every Monday morning I trudge down to the train station to go to work in the best city in the world for live music(5 minutes from my house for a 40 minute journey in about to be upgraded carriages with a guaranteed seat as the area is underpopulated) feeling a bit miserable.
Then I turn around, look across the world famous Prestwick Links course and see the picture you posted above.
As I said. Its no bad.
You forgot to mention
that it is hallowed ground, being the only place the Heartbreak Hotel hitmaker set foot in the UK.
I'm not from Prestwick by the way, just like the Clyde coast in general. Memories of childhood visits and all that, although I was more of a Rothesay boy
I'd forgotten that
For a while the, generally folorn, airport bar was called the Heartbreak Hotel.
By christ we know how to attract visitors.
I'm sure Prestwick's a nice place.
I've only been to the airport, but I have visited elsewhere on the Ayrshire coast many times and it's lovely in parts.
It's just that slogan. It's so parochial, so naff, so Rab C Nesbit. I think it's dreadful.
I agree...
All that's missing is a mural, depicting buckie swallying jakies from both the green half and blue half of the city.
Bring back "Glasgow's Smiles Better". On second thoughts....
It is a hideous embarassment
but I'm not sure how best to replace it.
How about - "Glasgow. You're Deid"
Or "Get that Stitched"
Its a constant problem for those of us who are actively emplyed in making Scotland better that we're continually undermined by the Scottish desire to portray the country as a vile cesspit. "Pure Dead Brilliant" is a classic example. Its actually taken from "Tutti Frutti" (a marvellous John Byrne series) but was quickly taken to the heart of the Scottish public to the point where a ridiculous, demotic phrase became the slogan of an international airport.
Its insane. Its like Heathrow's slogan being "You Dirty Old Man".
And why isnt it "Robert Burns International"?
I realise it's from there, but..
(and I haven't lived in Scotland for over 25 years) ...it's embarrassing. I wonder which hip, young marketing tit thought it would be a good idea? Stay away from tartan, too! I don't mind tartan, but Scotland can sell it's good stuff without everything being swathed in tartan.
It was, apparently,
the idea of an employee at the airport.
They should have been sacked on the spot. Gross misconduct if ever I heard it.
Scotland is a weird country in many ways. We fuckin hate ourselves mostly, talk endlessly about our worst attributes and promote them endlessly and then get angry when anyone else brings them up. Its ironic that attempts to promote one of our few airports rest on basically saying how shit it is.
Our secular saints are self haters like BillY Connolly, Irvine Welsh and Jim Kelman yet we reserve our real hate for English people who are largely blameless.
Its a little complicated.
except
when you describe it like that, you sound like (english) northerners. I think the real hate in Scotland is for a particular type of Englishman: a metropolitan middle-class type of Englishman.
I think we in the North have more in common with Scots than with our southern brethren (and by north here I mean around North Yorkshire and upwards). Someone from Teesside or Sunderland or Newcastle would historically understand a Glaswegian: steel works, heavy industry, mining, docks, ship building, working mens clubs, getting bummed by Thatcher. And the rural Scots would share things with Dalesmen and Cumbrains.
I always remember John Major's attempt at a stirring version of Englishness when he talked about "spinsters cycling to church and warm beer."
WARM BEER!? Sacrilege. That was the exact moment he jumped the shark as far as I was concerned.
Whoever said that Newcastle and Edinburgh...
... had ended up on the wrong sides of the border might have got it right...
There some truth in that ...
I live in the North East and work a lot in Edinburgh (for the record, reformed Southerner, grew up near London, studied/worked there for 14 years, jumped about a fair bit and ended up in Northumberland). Geordies and Scots are definitely similar and don't get each other's backs up - united in their dislike of a certain sort of Southern Englishman. What's weird is that although I am not a public schoolboy in many other ways I fit the bill - doesn't seem to matter though.
Scots do have a subliminal self hating streak sometimes which I also think I recognise from my Irish family but much more than that a teasing surreal humour which is borderline aggressive at times and hysterically funny. Geordies are all crazy - as anyone attending a gig in the city can testify. Both sets enormously friendly and hard working. And amazing scenery. Can't imagine living anywhere else. You get sufficiently far north and its like the cord linking you to London has snapped - very liberating
It's nothing special
Its an average Scottish town. Most places are a bit like Prestwick - nice people, decent amenities and close to some spectacular stuff be it scenery or a couple of world class cities.
However, a lot of people have made a lot of money from portraying Scotland as a sort of PolPot era Cambodia with heart disease.
Cheers Irvine.
Yeah, nice...
but there's a bloody great mountain in the way.
er....of the view that is.
How the hell did this posting arrive down here??
It's where it should be.
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Ah right.
Like this you mean? Thanks Fraser.
But I find that amusing
One of the words in foreign languages most of us know is the word for death.
New arrivals deplane in Prestwick to be greeted by the word "Dead" emblazoned across the airport bright pink 20 foot letters.
Presumably this is so Dundee isnt too much of a dissapointment.
What about the golf?
Take the train south from Ayr and you travel through stunning linksland lined with some of the finest golf courses in the World.
Speaking as a fellow
Speaking as a fellow Ayrshireman, it is a very nice place to have grown up. The coast is lovely, watching coverage of the Open at Turnberry had me pining for the place! However, the best place to live in Britain? I don't know.
I could be similarly nice about Stirling, where I stayed for six years. Nice town, within easy reach of Glasgow and Edinburgh, and an easy train's ride home after gigs. Surrounded by the lovely Forth Valley, and two of Scotland's most famous attractions as landmarks - Stirling Castle and Wallace Monument. And the Highlands just up the road.
I hate the Prestwick Airport slogan as well. So 'Rab C' ... and Prestwick isn't even in Glasgow!
Leave The UK
and move to Dublin. Greatest place in the world. Even without an economy.
prove
prove it....
n'awlins
LA
barca
san fran
london
berlin
melbourne all lagging far far behind of course
How to simulate a move to Dublin
Just been over for a wedding in the North, Pat, and had a few days in an Baile Atha Cliath.
I have worked out how to simulate a three day mini break to Dublin.
Covert almost £300 quid to 300 Euros, go to the museum district of your nearest major city and then run along throwing Euros over your shoulder in the manner of Benny Hill chasing one of the lovelies.
That should do it.
How do you poor feckers live in such an expensive place?
Thanks christ for the great and cheap public transport.
Without having lived everywhere in the UK
I'd rank those places where I've spent at least a year in the following order
Bath
Bristol
Wells
London
Middlesbrough
bottom of the pile
Only good thing about Hull (18 years) is that it is not as bad as Middlesbrough (8 years).
Best place is Manchester (8 years). Despite the rain and the Scum. And the shootings and generally willingness to be miserable. Would move back tomorrow if I could (and will try when the kids change school).
And on Prestwick, just about to spend a 3rd weekend in a row in Kilmarnock. Ayrshire coast is just lovely to visit - wouldn't want to live there though.
Manchester
I'm originally from the Glasgow area but lived in Manchester for a few years. I found it quite a slow burner, ended up getting under my skin, in a good way. Like London (and Glasgow for that matter), encountered a lot of people who moved there temporarily and ended up putting down roots. Like you, if circumstances hadn't dictated otherwise I'd happily still be there now.
Prestwick Airport
Back in the annals of time when I was an avid plane spotter Prestwick offered untold mystery and an attraction that I never experienced first hand. The monthly magazine that all aircraft spotters subscribed to was Aircraft Pictorial. At the back of the magazine they listed unusual new arrivals at uk airports during the previous month. Prestwick almost always had the best entries - some Eastern bloc Antonov enroute to Cuba or such like. I never got to go there but years later having travelled to Scotland on a fairly regular basis I have never met anyone who has used the airport. All domestic flights are either Glasgow or Edinburgh which also seem to have taken over International too.
Favourite place to live is pretty subjective. I live in Lichfield and love it - nice Cathedral, great restaurants, semi rural but close enough to my beloved Birmingham which by the way is one of the most underrated cities in the country - just ask Bill Clinton.
Would suggest somewhere like Padstow as my idyll yet I am sure the flocks of summer tourists would drive me nuts.
Not wanting to flame this board with Scotsmen...
...but I live in Glasgow's leafy west end and it's good. We have parks and cinemas and art galleries and a groovy University and some good pubs. And a Fopp.
However, if I could live anywhere in the UK, right now, I'd head north and west. Somewhere like Strontian or Arisaig, Gairloch or Poolewe, or into Argyll to Kilmelfort or Ford on Loch Awe. I could easily forego all the cinemas and restaurants and art for immediate access to enormous open spaces and all that lovely silence.
You say that
but if you're anything like me you'd miss the West End buzz after about a week!
Weeeel...
...not quite.
I lived in the South Lanarkshire countryside for about 18 months a few years back and it was one of the most wonderful times in my life. Given the choice between living in the country and visiting the town, or living in town and visiting the country, I'd take the former every time.
fair do's...
I think it's that 'visiting' thing that's the key for me, either town to country or vice versa as you say. Wouldn't want to feel too constrained either way.
Is the Fopp...
...in the West End really all that special? Maybe back in the day, but not now. Monorail Music is a better choice IMHO.
Ford?
Funnily enough we stayed with friends in Ford on the way to Islay - they're selling their house if you're interested ? Beautiful views over the foot of the loch.
Oop North
I live on the Northumbrian coast, and have honestly never wanted to live anywhere else.
I accept it wouldn't be for everyone, but then I wouldn't want everyone to come!
I reckon that the only requirement for 'the best place to live', is that you are content there.
Or to put it in hackneyed terms "One man's London is another man's Bamburgh"
Yep, the North
I live in North Yorkshire (Whitby, to be precise). Not that far from Teesside, or Newcastle or York. I'm originally from Middlesbrough and don't think it quite deserves the Crap Town status given to it. Parts of it are pretty shitty (but name any town or city where that's not true) but it does have a lot going for it.
Crime is fairly low in Whitby. Schools and social services aren't bad at all. And of course the scenery's great. Nice when the goths show up and even the tourists add a bit of colour to the place, especially when they turn up for something special.
Having said that, the Northumbrian coast is lovely. I love Bamburgh and even like Seahouses. It must be the whole bleak North Sea thing going on.
Novemberland*
is bloody gorgeous on a good day - like this one last week...
*My wife's from Northumberland - its nickname comes from my assumption that anywhere that far north of the Thames will be dark and shitty all year round.
Is that Dunstabrough Castle
Is that Dunstabrough Castle (and yes, I probably have spelled it wrong)?
It is Dunstanburgh (sp?)
and this is Bamburgh
Is Low Newton the place with a sort of square of houses (and a pub) facing the sea? We were trying to find it for lunch the other week but couldn't remember the name.
We ended up with fish'n'chips at Seahouses - two huge slabs of cod and a wodge of grease for less than a fiver. Glorious.
It is, it is the other side
It is, it is the other side of Dunstaburgh from Craster and is sign posted if drive out of Seahouses towards Alnwick.
That's a beautiful picture Captain
...and I share your love of the least populous county. My Brother lives in Newcastle and I try to get up there when I can. His recent stag weekend was spent at a remote cottage somewhere north of Morpeth. You could not see another light - I have never been so remote and still been in England. Magical place.
I have just come back from
I have just come back from Northumberland and go their every year, it is a fantastic place. We stopped in Seahouses near the golf course and it is one of the few places in UK where I would like a holiday home (not that I am ever likely to afford it). I visted Low Newton for the first time this year and thought it was probably the most un-spoilt place in the UK (I also spotted a word reader which shows what taste we have).
Low Newton
Did you have a swift one at the Ship Inn?
I love to walk the beach towards Dunstanburgh Castle, then back to the Ship for a bevvy......My kinda heaven!
I did indeed, tried their
I did indeed, tried their own beers, Indian Summer (IPA) was excellent.
One word.
Ponteland.
My home village. Just wondering if any of the Northumberland fans know how to say it properly? Admittedly not an easy question to ask of a text-based blog!
And no, while it is lovely to me, I wouldn't in all conscience promote it as the 'best' place in the UK to live. But it's very close to a few worthy contenders.
I Think
Us Northumbrians pronounce it P-O-S-H :)
Used to spend a bit of time in Terry Hibbit's pub in the day.
I think you'll find
that's Darras Hall.
No, I'm an oik from the village.
Hadaway an shite man
My wife's from Darras Hall. She'd like you to know that Ponteland is all "fur coat and nae knickers."
Precisely
what I'm wearing now as luck would have it.
Darras Hall. All inside toilets and mugs of sherry :-)
Did she go to Ponteland County High on Callerton Lane?
Phew!
Good Man!
milkman
Terry used to be our milkman in Spital Tongues in the late 1980's.
Speaking as an Londoner who came to Newcastle for a weekend in 1986 and never went back, the Toon rocks and so do its people .
Drove through it on the way
Drove through it on the way back/to morpeth (cannot remember which) and it seems a very nice place.
epidemic!!!
if this flu epidemic wiped out 70% of the uk population then it would be a good place to live
stay where you are as this place is full of jeremykylerichardcurtisjeremyclarksondannydyer wannabes who worship jordan and peter fucking andre
but if you do, manchester(avoid salford and whythenshawe) and glasgow are great
Dorset
Stunning pastoral scenery, miles of extroardinarily beautiful coastline.No need to go abroad in these cash strapped times.
I hear you Brother!
Parents retired down to Swanage after 50 odd years of west London......
Lovely place and now choose to spend our family summers on Studland Bay rather than abroad.......beautiful
Super Leeds!
I love living in Leeds. I'm back home from Elland Road within half an hour of the final whistle and the City Centre's great, some fantastic bars and restaurants. You can be out in wonderful contryside within half an hour but have all the convenience of a big city. If it has one drawback it is that not all bands stop off here - but with the re-opening of the T&C as the Academy things are looking up in this department too.
You could make it
infinitely better by missing out the "Elland Road" bit :-)
Within half and hour
of the final whistle
You mean half an hour before it goes, right?
When one is tired of London...
I'm not sure London is part of the UK in the same way as New York
is not really America
London is horrible in many ways - crowded, crime-ridden, uncaring, with extremes of poverty and unimagineable wealth side by side - but it is inclusive, vibrant, teeming with ideas and energy and re-invents itself constantly.
An organic entity as much as a place in the world. It is a world.
A world apart
If I remember correctly Peter Ackroyd's London says that London was not included in the Domesday Book because it was regarded as its own state, seperate from the rest of England.
If money was no object I would love to live in London (perhaps Covent Garden to be really central). As it is, I'm in darkest Essex so have easy access without the undeniable hassle and expense of lving there.
Portsmouth
Sceptr'd Jewel of the south coast, it is great for so many reasons. Like..
..er..
..well..
..er.. because I live there. And I like it for many strange reasons. And I have a nice view over the Solent to the Isle of Wight.
Read some of Graham Hurley's excellent Farraday and Winter detective series and you'll get some local flavour.
I read one....
..and won't be moving there any time soon.
Makes the Pile of Shite...
look nice though...
I'm being mean. The Isle of Wight *is* nice, if you don't mind setting your watch back 40 years when you arrive... Gerry and the Pacemakers are still very big there...
Portsmouth Portsmouth
land of my childhood
... and a hole.
Sorry but it is. 80% chav population. Possibly a higher teen pregnancy rate than the rest of the whole world put together. On a cramped island.
Not any more.
It's all about the villages near Andover now.
80% Chav?
There must have been a few more moved in since you were last here, Badger...
Looking at the Isle of Wight means I don't have to look at the city.
Blackburn, Lancashire
I wouldn't recommend moving here to anyone. It has more than its fair share of crime and poverty, and the undesirables are rampant. I only remain here due to circumstance.
That said, like most places I'm sure, when the sun shines it takes on a certain glow, but more importantly, due to excellent motorway links, it is in easy reach of Manchester, Liverpool, Cheshire, the Dales, York, the Lake District, the Fylde Coast (Blackpool, notwithstanding) and North Wales.
And...
...there's the holes. At least a couple of thousand I hear.
They've combined...
...to form one big sh*thole!
Boom tsch!
Sheffield
I live in Sheffield, I like it very much and could not see me living anywhere else. Not necessarily the best place in the UK but my house looks onto open fields, I am 10 minutes from the centre and the same from the Peak district which is not too shabby.
Seconded
I came to Sheffield in 1980 as a student at Sheffield Poly and never left (although technically I have left because I live just across the Derbyshire border now). Two miles from the Peak District and I can walk out of my front door, up the road and down into the nearby countryside and not see a soul for a couple of hours. Fantastic. All that and 25 minutes drive from the city centre. Not bad for a place that many people still think is grim.
I live in North Sheffield
I live in North Sheffield near Oughtibridge which falls in the parish of Bradfield (I have to pay parish council tax) as a city it is far from perfect but it has a really nice balance of urban & rural. The people are generally great and not up themselves like those in Leeds, for example.
another Sheffield vote
moved here nearly five years ago from London (which was great for 10 years but couldn't face starting a family there) and not going anywhere soon.
Peaks on the doorstep, but city centre 20 mins by regular bus, really nice feel to the place and v decent local bands and beers.
It is one of the few places
It is one of the few places that is better to live in than visit (if that makes sense). It has all the importnat things in abundance (good beer, bands, countryside).
makes perfect sense
just a good place to be.
Plymouth
I'm a Cornish lad, but I was born in Plymouth; I ended up living there as a student and I'm still there, 12 years later. Here are the pros:
All in all, I love it here.
Glad you like it.
I'm in Plymouth today, visiting my family, who are still mostly here. I love the place, even though it has changed enormously in the last half century.
I was born here, in the house my Mum has lived in since 1927, except for a few years both during (she was evacuated to Cornwall) and after WW2 (traipsing around the UK after Dad, who was by then doing his National Service).
I'd move back here in a trice if there was enough I.T. work in the area, but alas I am tied to the M4 corridor, and have to put up with the southern end of the Cotswolds. Not a bad compromise.
PS We're off to The Dolphin tonight for a pint or two.
Ah, I do like the Dolphin...
That's a 'real pub', if ever I knew one.
Almost completely unchanged since I first drank there,
under age, in the early 70s, The Dolphin is a pub the way God intended pubs to be. We polished off several pints of Bass there, and then went around to The Maritime for a few pints of MRB, which was almost as good. It was great to be home again.
I live in London...
... a nice leafy north part with lovely pubs (Prince Of Wales, Highgate Main Road, any massive members familiar with the area may well like them to). My flat is nicer than any of my previous ones and my bike ensures I avoid the worst of the misery of the place. I can say I'm more content here than I've been anywhere for a long time. As for the country I think the ISle Of Eigg is the lovliest place I have ever visited.
Steve Earle summed up my feelings. "I love the city and I love the countryside. It's the places inbetween I hate."
That'd be the roads then?
Half his bloody songs are about roads!
Take everything Earle says with a lorry load of salt!
I still love him though!
Quite a few of them I hear
.. massive members in and around Highgate and the Heath anyway - kerrtsch
Londoners and the North
I like London, but it does tend to make its residents a bit myopic when it comes to the rest of the country. A typical London-based comedian will always tell a Tube-based story, while the rest of the country slightly sighs. Frank Skinner told a good story about that, when, at a Birmingham club, a cockney comic started a tale with: "you know what it's like when you're on the tube..." to which a member of the audience loudly retorted: "NO!"
As a northerner, many of my friends moved to the capital after University, only to spend the next 5 years complaining that everything is too expensive, and that they can never stay out late as they have to get the last tube back home.
Great place if you've got a bit of cash, mind.
The experiences of many of my friends
point to the following:
If you're earning a bit of cash, you're in your 20's and single, London's great: lots to do, places to go, bustle, fast pace, excitement. It feels like the centre of the world.
When you hit your 30's and want to settle down and maybe even have kids, many cast a wistful eye outwards to the provinces where it's not so crowded, there's more space for the kids and the pace is a little less breakneck.
I've had a number of friends who have had just this experience. A few haven't but they're mostly the people who were from Greater London anyway. Maybe it's just who my friends are. Idon't know how universal this may or may not be.
Very similar to myself
Went to London for College and ended up staying for 19 years. Great when you are young and can enjoy all that the capital offers. As I got older and finance and circumstance meant that lifestyle had to change there seemed little point staying.
Now live just outside of Belfast where the pros definitely outweigh the cons.
Not my experience at all
I was born and grew up in the north and I've lived in London all my adult life - and I appreciate it even more now I'm a parent. London is a great place to bring up kids - there's so much to do and it's all there on public transport. I really couldn't hack the suburbs - and if i moved out now, my kids would probably spend the rest of their childhood hating me for taking them somewhere so boring.
Exact same experience...
... my friends moved to London, stayed about five years and fled when family appeared. I moved here in my thirties, hence why I remain.
In the Monnow Valley 'twixt Monmouth and Hay-on-Wye
Beautiful, understated landscape and peaceful to boot.
Peaceful?
!
No votes for Birmingham yet I see
PROS
Great cultural attractions
Easy to get around
Not far from anywhere else (except bits that everywhere is far from)
The Balti triangle
The Lickey hills, Malverns all pretty close for scenery and greenery
And generally the people who live in Birmingham being just a bit more relaxed and practical about everything - though we have shootings and rough estates to put up against anyone else's
We ended up here through work but have grown to like it a lot
I second Birmingham
I think for all the stick that they get about their accent, the Birmingham people are the most open, honest and genuine in the UK.
Birmingham born and bred and raised (22 out of 25 years)...
When I left to go to university in Aberystwyth I didn't have the highest opinion of the place, but I returned afterwards not really through choice and have stayed since. Over those years at Aber every time I came back it seemed more was available to walk through in the city centre.
I'm not about to call this city perfect, but I am now proud to have come from here and wouldn't be sad if I spent the vast majority of my life here. Having lived with a Scouser, no offence Andrew and others, I can say with certainty that the Brummie accent is not the worst in the country - to me I really think it's one of the most friendly, warm accents in the UK, only Geordie really comes close to my mind as far as sounding as welcoming. If you were to ask someone do an impersonation of a Brummie accent, the word "mate" would surely be one of quickest words to come to mind.
Of course when it comes to appearances Birmingham has never been the best, but really I believe that's basically down to our geographical convenience to everyone else. I used to live in Erdington which will always be scarred by the industrial revolution. I was working at what could best be described as a massive car park with some shops attached to its outskirts.
The face lift the city centre is going through is both a relief in so far as undoing the stereotype many have but it also has the effect of making it seem like every other non-London city in this decade of New Labour superficial urban renewal. 21st century architecture: "We've got a shit-load of glass to shift here, lads!"
In one of the Word podcasts I remember David Hepworth saying something along the lines of "Birmingham isn't hell but you can see it from there." Without wishing to take my frustrations out on Mr. Hepworth personally I can't help but feel that to the majority of the London media types Birmingham might well be a parochial town attached to New Street station since it's not where they go when they want to "rough it".
Will quickly reel off a few more reasons I'm proud of Birmingham: relatively healthy racial integration (riots aside of course), the Bull Ring bull, the Selfridges building (if just for its uniquness), Sutton Park, the Balti triangle, Brindley Place, the business brought by the NEC, NIA, etc., the Hippodrome, the Electric cinema, and of course my beloved Villa Park and the loveliest football club in the world - Aston Villa. Don't get me started on how most football success is down to us lot.
All this and I'm first to admit we're probably not the best place to live in the UK. Some nominations off the top of my head: Stratford-upon-Avon, Edinburgh and anywhere around the Lake District. And I suppose London if you can afford it all...
*cough*
I guess I'm a London media type - and I've already confessed to loving Birmingham on this page.
I read your comment...
and I'm happy you love the city, but my experiences with other people of a particular London-based mindset is to be slightly sniffy about the second city. Don't get me started about the new Wembley stadium and where it should really be...
That riles me as well
It could so easily have been in the geographical centre of England, at the junction of several major motorways, next to a huge train station on a main railway line, limitless parking, endless room for expansion, major hotels on the doorstep.
...and, for most Londoners, it would STILL have been quicker to get to a 'Wembley' at the NEC than to a Wembley at Wembley.
yes
but the key drawback to Wembley not being at Wembley is not being at Wembley which has a unique legacy
Whilst Wembley not being in London would have the drawback of not being in London which - for good or ill - is a place which most people want to visit whether they are in UK or elsewhere in the world.
Most Man Utd fans, - who are the most frequent visitors - live very close to London or Singapore
Not sure I understand why the stadium has to be in a
specific suburban area though. After all, many stadia have moved location over the years.
The issue can't be the purpose for the stadium as even the Olympic stadium has moved from Wembley to Stratford.
The issue can't be the physical structure of the stadium as the new Wembley bears no relation to the old Wembley
The issue can't be the conveinence of the location as there are other large venues in far more convenient places.
If the issue is merely the name, then any stadium could be called Wembley.
Is it really the fact it's located in an otherwise anonymous north London suburb?
My problem with Birmingham
Is that I cannot think of one single beautiful, historic building. And I know that that is due to Adolf and his bombs, but when people say that it has a fantastic shopping centre - which, let's face it, is what the Bullring actually is - I think - is that really the best thing about Britain's second biggest city?
I like it too
Over the last 18 months, I've spent about 3 days a week in Brum. I know that's different from living there, but it's a good city, good restaurants & pubs, nice people.
I love the Brummie accent!
I really do! I can't understand why people hate it so much!
You're kidding
Imagine your job was trying to persuade companies to locate their call centres in Birmingham. Not an easy job I would guess.
Well..
Without being in any way racist, having call centres for UK companies in India proves that accent isn't the first consideration.
The Peak District
I consider myself fortunate to work from home in a pleasant small market town. First came here on a hiking trip when I was a student and set myself a plan to someday bring a family up in these parts. Sixteen years later after a decade in London and a few years in Sheffield I finally achieved my goal.
I agree with earlier comments that living in the country with easy access to city is the way to go.
Pros
Surrounded by great countryside and I do enjoy walking.
Excellent schools, these things really matter when nippers arrive.
Good local shops.I'm keen on my grub and we have excellent butcher/baker/greengrocer etc.
Virtually crime free.
Friendly neighbours
A couple of excellent pubs where I can usually expect to wander in and see at least one mate for a pint.
Close enough to Sheffield, Manchester and Nottingham to take in gigs and other culture.
Cons
Traffic gets a bit mad especially at this time of year.
Lack of eating out options - only so many pub meals anyone really wants.
It is very, very monocultural which is not necessarily giving the kids a real understanding of the rest of the country.
Very fond of Brighton
Lived there for 10 good years, first 5 were in this street:
http://www.jacqueline-hammond.com/photo_3978146.html
I think her painting conveys it nicely
Brighton is the best -
I've lived here off and on (mainly on) for over 30 years. Tried London and Bristol but always come back.
Brighton really is the best place, its all walkable, loads of bars/restaurants/live music/clubs (not that I'd know about the latter but my sons say yes). Full of interesting weird people etc.
Worst place - I know Hull has a lot of fans of worst place but I disagree because people from Hull know its bad.
My "best" worst place has to be Birmingham which the locals love and rave about. Ask them whats good though and they'll all say "shopping". I've been shopping in Brum (not much else to do) and all you have is the same shops you get anywhere else. Oh yes and they'll talk about the Canal Area which is full of franchise restaurants which......
I love Birmingham too
But I hate Brighton.
Go figure.
So what's wrong with Brighton
Come on Fraser - tell us what we're doing wrong in Brighton
The sea is lovely, and it looks nice
But I've always felt it suffers in the same way that most towns of that size do - with that nasty, violent Friday night thing that you don't tend to get in major cities or in places at the other end of the scale. It's the small town mindset, and my visits to Brighton (of which there have been many) tend to confirm this. Maybe I've just been unlucky.
visiting again after far too many years absence
we were struck that the area around the station, esp on a Friday night, seemed more anonymous, and more like a suburb of London, than it did, say, 15 years ago.
On the other hand, if you go further away, Kemptown seemed even more enjoyable than it did back then, and we immediately found a pleasant Saturday diversion in this show:
http://www.aoh.org.uk/
so swings and roundabouts, really, imo. I think it's a great place for freeing one's inner louche boulevardier ...;-)
I've Spent a Lot of Time
in Brighton over the years and have a lot friends down there.
However, how can a whole town be completely fucking smug?
I think it's because it's got a lot
to be fucking smug about. Great pubs, shops, food, music, arty culture, that whole gay thing which tends to make places just a buit livelier, the sea, the Festival, and only an hour from London should you run out of things to do. I mean, you know... sorry to be cliched, butv what's to not like?
I left the place in 1996 (for the second time) and still miss it. Couldn't afford to return now. As for the Friday night stuff, if you don't go down West Street it doesn't need to be a problem and the best parts of Brighton were never down West Street. It's certainly better than every other market town in Britain where (it sometimes seems to me) Friday night is chav night and you don't get much alternative...
Brighton Tendancy
In our house, Brighton Tendancy refers to the seemly liberal type who turns out to be anything but: Veggies who think that meat eaters are evil, lefties who hate right wingers, parents who think anyone who doesn't like their children are anti-children.
It's an extreme-ish position based on some visits to the south coast a long time ago, but the shorthand has lasted a long time. Anyone from Brighton care to let me know if the Brighton Tendancy actually exists?
Sounds more like the Hoveactually Tendency to me
Brighton
Brighton is pretty darn good. Two great music venues; Conchord II - great small venue that has the likes of Magic Numbers, Lemonheads and Vampire Weekend playing. The Dome is also fantastic - great acoustics, great variety of acts - both musical and non-musical. Also sell decent beer at the bar.
I live in Ringmer - about fifteen minutes away. Great countryside, tractors, alpacas, regular farmyard animals to keep the nipper occupied. There's a village green where cricket and stoolball are played.
Brighton's not smug by the way. If it's smugness you want visit Lewes and go to Bill's on Cliffe High Street.
Conchord II
I notice you don't mention the acoustics at Conchord II, and with good reason. I saw Thea Gilmore twice on her June tour last year. The first show was at the Bloomsbury in London, the second at Conchord II. The contrast in sound between the Bloomsbury, a purpose built and largely wooden theatre, and Cochord, a Victorian seaside shelter built out of cast iron and glass inexpertly blacked out by cloth Jack Daniels banners, was noticeable. Does the door to the left of the stage (as viewed from the audience) still squeak like a horror film sound effect? It's a cool venue but the sound was 'orrible!
Conchord II
Sound is a bit dodgy as I recall but I love the fact you can get so close to the stage.
Seen the Lemonheads a few times but to actually SEE the band was great. In fact the wife and I were so close we could see the bass player blush when a guy in the audience made heart signs at him!
The stage door did creak but instead of Bela Lugosi it was Evan Dando's wife who stood watching.
Glasgow's Miles Better!
It's home, which means quite a bit, but also it is a friendly city with great people, great architecture, great gigs, great restaurants, pubs, galleries and museums. And fantastic scenery 20 minutes away.
I spend a chunk of most working weeks away from home, and have done for many years : Sheffield, Birmingham, Port Talbot, Sheerness, Morecambe, Middlesbrough, Croydon, Gillingham, San Francisco, Southampton, Bristol - they're all OK, but I like the Dear Green Place best of all. (San Fran was good, though!!)
Where else will you see a tourist struggling with a backpack and a map, who has 2 locals trying to help him ? ("are you lost, son?")
Where else are you guaranteed a blether in the pub just because you looked like a bloke on his own who might want to sit down with some other blokes ?
Like Victor Kiam, I like it so much, I bought a house there. (And get to spend some time in it!!)
Go west on Argyle, then north on Hope...
The UK's most American of cities (or are US cities Glaswegian?):
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See if you can spot the name of a tune by a jangly Caledonian (his best, imho)
As covered by Fountains Of Wayne at The Garage in Glasgow
They did the song as one of their encores, first time in Glasgow, and they said they were "absolutely thrilled to be able to sing the song here".
Afterwards, we spotted Adam Schlesinger in the Variety Bar !
Not a bad version
by FoW. Nice story.
Chiswick (west London)
No contest. Leafy, civilised, easy to get into town, easy to get out, good pubs and nice people, including the regularly spotted Mark Ellen, Bruce Dickinson, Bill Bailey and Nick Lowe. I've even bumped into Jimmy Page popping into one of the local studios.
The only sour note is that perpetual faker Robyn Hitchcock trying desperately to look windswept, interesting and whimsical as he sups his coffee on the High Road. Just about the only sleb in Chiswick who screams 'look at me' with every fibre of his being.
Robyn Hitchcock
what a cult (according to the latest edition).
Must be a misspelling
And what is he doing in that article? Did anyone really need to hear how wacky and clever he still thinks he is to have written a song about an anglepoise lamp? Nobody else thought to write about it Robyn, because nobody else is self-conscious enough to give a damn about what other people are/n't writing about, and because just maybe it isn't that great a subject matter.
Cleethorpes
hailing from East Kilbride, via Glasgow, via Manchester, I now live in Cleethorpes, 'the jewel of North East Lincolnshire'. The 'Hove' to Brighton's 'Grimsby', if you will.
Pros:
-Big skies
-daily proximity to beach (still a novelty for a (sub)urban child like me)
-abundance of fish & chip shops, some excellent. Good selection of Indian restaurants too.
-probably many more, but feeling in a profoundly negative frame of mind given Scotland's result tonight!
Cons:
-takes ages to get anywhere
-the above being compounded by the necessity to travel on the world's most boring and noisiest motorway, the M180
-as with Fraser's post about Brighton, a prevailing 'townie' atmosphere
-Overwhelmingly monocultural (aforementioned Indian restaurants notwithstanding)
-tide goes out for about a mile
Great Skies
Worked there for a couple of days last Winter and it was rather nicer than I had anticipated (not that I had any real idea where IO was going). Living inland I enjoyed the bracing walks along the seafront with the huge expanse of beach and North Sea.
Ate some decent fish suppers and found the locals fairly agreeable. I can see why you like it.
Yes, winter
is definitely preferable here for me. The famous 'it's so bracing' advert was done for Skeggy but it could equally apply here.
Edinburgh
The most visually stunning city centre I've ever seen (only slightly marred by the current tramworks). Great pubs and restaurants. A capital city, yet in many respects just a big village - you always see someone you know when you're up town.
Not as good for gigs as Glasgow, I concede - but Glasgow's just a short train journey away.
Oh, and there's some sort of festival going on at the moment. You may have heard of it.
Hampshire countryside
Rolling green fields, babbling brooks and streams, the Solent, and the amazing New Forest.
Surely the most beautiful place in the country? And also, surely the idyllic part of England that Rupert Brooke described?
The Soldier
by Rupert Brooke
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
Another reason
why I love Dorset is that I too can visit end enjoy the beauty of the Solent, New Forest et al. The two counties merge into an
idylic whole.
Born in Poole myself
raised and schooled on both sides of the Solent, nothing against it.
However, Brooke's heart was here:
, wasn't it ?
The Solent
A great stretch of water to watch. At Brighton, say, the sea is a big grey/green thing which moves about a bit. As it is in The Solent. But in the latter, lots of things are floating about, a fair few of which are ships and boats which form an ever-changing thing to study. Ferries, tankers, liners, warships, submarines (occasionally), yachts, speedboats.. always interesting.
Indeed
as someone who travelled to school on the Hythe Ferry for about 8 years I can only agree with you ... used to see the QE2 from time to time, the France etc etc.
And who lived there later?
Geoffrey bleedin' Archer. Which did at least give rise to one of the greatest crossword clues of all time:
Poetic location finds surprisingly chaste Lord Archer vegetating (3,3,8,12)
yes, but
Wittgenstein, Russell, Woolf and a few others quite fond of it too, so wouldn't hold that against it ;-)
http://www.orchard-grantchester.com/grantchester-group.html
trawling through looking for Dorset
surely, someone must like Dorset.....and up comes Poole. Wonderful memories of childhood there but what a disaster its becoming now, trying to make it UKs riviera.
Still regard the Purbecks as my favourite place on earth though, but for how long??
Dorset days
i posted this in the favourite journo thread but you might enjoy it too
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/that-summer-why-some-y...
Rural North Norfolk
But it's rubbish so everybody stay away.
Please.
Bit of a weekend haunt of the sort of 'media ponce'
so derided elsewhere on this blog isn't it?
Media Ponces
All visit Burnham Market (Chelsea by the Sea), park up their 4x4's then spend all their time within 400 yards of them browsing the junk shops and restaurants.
If you insist on coming here go to Burnham Market then go away and tell everybody how rubbish it is.
Leave the real place to the rest of us who appreciate fresh air, big skies, abundant wildlife, poor transport links (essential to keep out the riff-raff) and crap broadband coverage.
Rural North Norfolk
is bloody lovely, which is just as well as it takes about a week to get anywhere else from there, even in a 1953 Swiftmobile. Wells-next-the-Sea, isn't it?
How about this: http://www.old-town.co.uk/evening_star.pdf
and this frankly astonishing kit:
http://www.old-town.co.uk/products/lounge.htm
I plan to get up there one day to buy some...
It may be a spoof
on a cleverly designed commercial website, but they do have the Hotel De Paris down to a tee.
I tried going in there once and asking for afternoon tea, rude doesn't come into it.
If you asked for coffee in the bar, it was dispensed from a machine !
Cromer - awful place* - please keep away - go to Burnham, Cley, Wells, Brancaster, Staithes etc. much trendier.
* - spot the deliberate misinformation
Snarf!
Some wag at Word has a view on this subject, if this truncated link from the newsletter is anything to go by...
snurl.com/notnorthampton
That would be me
But I did spend my teenage years there, so I know what I'm talking about.
Seconded. Northampton is the
Seconded. Northampton is the absolute pits. And unfortunately that is truer now than it has ever been.
Times of Our Lives
If you are a well-off pre-children couple or empty-nesters, living in a quality part of central London would be ideal.
Let's face it, for the time in-between it's the dull-but-important bits that matter: nice houses, decent schools, low crime, plenty of interesting and like-minded people. Find that and you've cracked it.
You Don`t Wanna Live Where I Live
Clampetts to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am...
Stuck in Middlebrough with you?
Merseyside
Antony Gormley's 100 naked sculptures of what appears to Irvine Welsh are on the beach at the bottom of our street. They make me very happy every day.

I grew up in a NI new town which made Milton Keynes, Livingstone, Skelmersdale etc look like Manhattan of a Saturday @ kicking out time.
It was started but never finished, a stalled social experiment which Thatcher proceeded to lay waste to and the Troubles pretty much took care of the rest. Only thing which kept me going was the tapes in the library. Beatles, Wah, Bunnymen, then buying The La's in IT Records and tapes eventually brought me to Merseyside.
In between made a stop off in Belfast/ Coleraine for university and New York, Philadelphia and New Jersey, mostly for drinking.
Pitched up in Liverpool and within minutes, literally, knew it was it. Worked on every newspaper and a few radio stations in the 'region' and I love the lovely, blousey, stridently contrary different nature of Scouseness and the fact that almost everyone else from outside hates it.
I think it's just great to 'get' somewhere, feel comfortable in it, just to know and love it.
Once you get the piss takey (no problem for someone from the north of Ireland), verbal, scoffing, surrealist nature of Merseyside, then you're home in a boat.
Which is why 100 naked men on a beach as a statement on emigration is perfect for the end of our Merseyside streets.
Crosby
That beach is magical in the right light
I love all the Gormley stuff - can't stop taking pics of them
Tell you what Cap, that pic
Tell you what Cap, that pic of Crosby beach is superb.
You'll make a few quid selling it if the art shop on College Road in Crosby is anything to go by. £90+ framed and going like hot cakes apparently.
It is true, that it is nearly impossible to take a bad pic of them.
Not to do down your exemplary effort, of course.
Bravo
Time and place
point and click
is about the limit of my expertise, Paddy. But thanks for noticing!
"Why Aren't Their Dangly Bits Covered In Barnacles..."
...asked my cousin as she touched said dangly bits.
Boston, Lincolnshire
I live in :
BOSTON, Lincolnshire
famed for
Saturday Nights Alright For Fighting was written about it (some things never change)
It was recently named 'Obesity Capital Of The UK'
Elton John once played the Gliderdrome (and still they bang on about it)
They imprisoned the Pilgrim Fathers
I would like to live:
ANYWHERE ELSE!
Altrincham
Where i live now. End of the tram from Manchester. A few nice bars. Walking distance to Hale with nice restaurants etc.
In a few years we are planning to move around Garstang in Lancashire. Great countryside, quiet, not far from civilisation.
my friend Kev
used to live there
an un-interesting factoid for you
me three
Hale, actually - nearly got run over by Bonehead outside my house. Best place I ever lived - and the most confused - Manchester phone number, Cheshire county, Warrington postcode and paid my poll tax to Trafford. Funnily enough I thought it would be grim before I moved there.
I live
In the countryside, 20 minutes from Brighton, 90 minutes door-to-door to central London so gigs are no problem.
I can hear sheep on the South Downs from my garden and I can be in France in 5 hours via Newhaven for the holidays. 30 minutes to Gatwick airport for work trips and trains to London.
Can't think of anywhere I'd rather be...
So where am I?
Near me, that's where
20 minutes north of Brighton, surrounded by rolling downland including the splendidly-named Fulking Hill.
Mid Sussex, between London and the sea, works very well for me.
Steyning
Probably see my house from Fulking Hill
Cardiff's
nice.
Parks.
Restaurants.
Pubs.
Spillers.
Beaches.
Stadiums.
Museums.
Wife.
If the earth had an enema..
Harlow would be where they shoved the tube
Where I live....
Sitting in my garden in the sun yesterday got me thinking. Where I live is probably the best place to be.
At the southern foot of the North Downs, only 30 mins by train from CharingX, less than an hour to eurotunnel and the south coast and similar to major London Airports.
The gentle hum of the M25/M26 in the background lulling me to sleep.
All this and only 10 mins drive from work!
Alternative theory of why people live in the places they do
The history of any village, town or city is usually based around features that made it a good place to settle - maybe food was in plentiful supply, or the terrain made it easier to defend, or a river provided a good route for trade. Later it would be things like access to transport, jobs and cultural attractions.
I lived in a place which I won't name for fear of distracting from my argument. I arrived there at the start of October, and it rained every single day at least until the end of the year when I left. Not that soft, gentle rain like you get in hymns and poems, but horrible, cold, wet stuff that gets right through to your bones.
Three miserable months with my shoulders hunched up around my ears led me to my Alternative Theory of the Movement of Peoples:
Any resonance?
A question :
But apart from the weather, did you like Glasgow ?
Obvious really
wasn't it?
Despite the moaning, I went back, and then had a couple of years in the sahf-east, and took the first opportunity (well, redundancy) to get back.
Being human, I've never since
a) regretted returning
or
b) stopped moaning about the place.
Dampness on the edge of town
I worked in Glasgow for a while with a very nice chap from Edinburgh. He pointed out the following : in Glasgow, if someone takes an early lunch, when they return to the office they are usually asked "how heavily is it raining?". This then leads to working out on a sliding scale from golf umbrella to oilskins what one needs to wear today to go out and get a sandwich. In much of the rest of the country, people do not assume it is raining, I later learned.
On a related note, I worked for a while in Morecambe. On a night out, one of my colleagues was puzzled : of all the people who had joined up, I was the only one who hadn't complained about how wet Morecambe was. I explained "I'm from Glasgow".
As Teenage Fanclub put it, in a song I always think of when returning home - "Feels good to be here again, cool air and driving rain".
Raintown
Glasgow or Manchester? Having lived in both, there's only one way to settle it - fight!
On the Glasgow side, I submit one of my favourite views, from the steps of Park Circus, taken by the peerless Glasgow-Italian Oscar Marzaroli, used on the cover of an influential album of my callow youth...
the rain it raineth every day
My 'wegie wife complained that Manchester was wetter than Glasgow. And that the only day it didn't rain was the day I first took her to Manchester and persuaded her to stay.
I think she has forgiven me.
Torrential Drizzle
is a delightful description of a typical kind of Swansea weather. It leapt out at me from a sports webpage one day, and the phrase has stuck in my mind ever since as a great description of Atlantic-coast weather. Trips to the higher-up parts of the city can involve driving up into low-lying cloud on particular kinds of day.
Parts of the city and its environs are also among the most beautiful places I know of - when the sun does shine.
The local variation on a much-mutated saying is more-or-less as follows:
"If you can see across the Bristol Channel to Devon it's probably about to rain - and if you can't it's raining already."
A Wart on the Arsehole of Infinity
describes Croydon and the area around it.
Wales
We have mountains and sheep. What the hell else do you need .
Aberystwyth
Having moved from here to Andover in May I have to list the following:
- Roads wider than a child's arm?
- Tesco?
- HMV?
- More people than sheep?
- Green fields that aren't at a 90* angle?
- Sunlight / dry days?
- My family?
- A music scene?
Terrible place
I can vouchsafe that you absolutely would not want to move to the East Neuk of Fife. In particular, not the truly vile seaside resort of Elie, with its flaunting of sands, views, rock pools, pubs and restaurants, and its flagrant proximity to the well known den of iniquity St. Andrews.
No, nothing to see here. Move on.
...and that festival ...
... and the gigs at the Inn at Lathones, and the cooking at the Peat Inn or the Seafood Restaurants at St Andrews and St Monans, or the golf, or the fish & chip shop at Anstruther, or the coastal path, or the fact that the further east you go, the more isolated you are (and not on the route from anywhere to anywhere else) and ... er, no ... rubbish obviously ...
What's that Lathones place like?
I think the bloke who runs it (Dave) used to run The Bien Inn in Glenfarg. I spent a few nights at Glenfarg....Stacey Earle/Mark Stuart, Rod Picott, Slaid Cleaves etc.
My mate had tickets for John Martyn at Lathones earlier this year....sadly he got his money back.
Most memorable Bein Inn gig for me was the night Stacey Earle and Mark Stuart played. After the gig, I overheard one of the residents asking the owner for an acoustic guitar....well, we played and sang and told stories until 4am.
At breakfast (really it was almost lunch), Stacey pointed at my Steve Earle t-shirt and said "Cool, that's my big brother...and I bought him that wristband". I just nodded, pretended my mouth was full and sang "Starstruck" in my head.
Oh yeah!....Fife. Don't go there. All that sea air means you have to go to bed early, and the artery clogging red puddings will kill ya.
Shite....stay well clear!
Lathones
Looks interesting, although perhaps the blurb on the website 'some of the biggest names in music' is ill-advised.
I notice Andy Fairweather-Low is playing. Maybe he meant some of the longest names...
yes, same bloke i believe...
arranges gigs for the mature music fan, let's say ... the stable where they do the gigs is tiny (and quite ancient) ... looks like the kind of thing a right proper '60s rock star would have in the back garden of their pile in Sussex (except a Fife version) ...
Inn at Lathones: good rooms, acceptable bistro-ish food (competent but food in the countryside needs locals all year round, so don't expect snail porridge or bacon&egg ice cream), basic bar, and the actual act doing a turn in the stable hardly matters - the idea of wandering in and hearing some live music for 90 mins or whatever, with a decent beer in hand, basically beats steam-driven terrestrial TV channels every night of the week ...
Manchester
I'm in with another vote for Manchester. I moved here 7 years ago to university, so have stayed long beyond my alloted 3. There are certainly some rough parts, but it's a big city and you don't really need to go into the areas you don't like. Culturally , we've got everything you could need I would think. Currently at the Didsbury end.