Whats happened to The Word Blog?
Back in May James Blast posted
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/75-0 "75% of what is posted on here is of no interest to 75% of us" and after been a regular viewer for 6 months now I tend to agree.
Am I the only one that's beginning to yawn at declarations of love to The Band, Fairport, Yes etc. Declarations that today's bands aren't much cop. Nobody can sing except for James Taylor etc.
Jeez guys things are bad when the same stuff is regurgitated again and again. How much do you want to see you names in print?
I liked The Word because of what it wasn't. Not Q not NME, not Uncut, not Mojo.
The blog is beginning to look like the NME letters pages of yore. Except written by 40 and 50 year old elitists. Boring.
I for one can't wait for whatever music recommendation slot The Word has in mind. At least I can get to the heart of the matter.
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Shhhhh Mr Squire
You weren't suppose to notice.
Well.............
The first screen of the blog as I post this has:
1. A folk singer like post about the blog isn't as good as it used to be ;-)
2. Someone reporting on a fab sounding festival in France
3. A bit of reminiscing about a music club
4. Someone pointing out an interesting website
5. Someone suggesting a "Home service" for recommendations
6. Someone pointing out a bizarre newspaper article
7. A bit of a debate about the merits of Stax vs. Motown
8. Trivia test on Nick Lowe
9. Funny joke about hangovers
10. Link to the Grauniad pop quiz
11. Post about the rules for making mix tapes
12. Someone making contact for Cropredy
13. Someone recommending an unknown artist
14. A great thread about whether bands "roll" like they used to
15. A fun thread about popular but untrumpeted artists
16. A thread about great moments in films
17. A thread about unison vocal performances which I'd love to contribute to but can't think of a thing to say
18. A hilarious eBay auction
19. Some git moaning about the podcast being late
20. A thread about happy records
Honestly - you couldn't make that list up. What's not to like?
Well....................
First of all its Friday and the blog is not its usual self.
Secondly I'm looking at one of your twenty and it's content is exactly as I've posted. I'll let you guess which one without embarrassing the blogger.
That'd be mine
Unison vocal performances - it's fair to say that one hasn't set the Thames on fire. I will try harder next time. Mr Squire, I'd love to see and contribute to something from you about what floats your boat, or indeed gets your goat [note to self: that rhymes, could use it].
Over there
It's been torturing me all week, but I've finally remembered a unison tune.
Be proud
It's great to see a challenge we can't meet. I'm still working on it!
expect a visit
The RT mafia won't like this.
Actually it's not as bad now as it was when I joined 6 months ago. I find we do discuss a wide range of Topics here and i, for one, respect a lot of opinions on here. Though the bloke who said the best version of "Dark End Of the Street" was the RT/LT one had me reaching for my gun.
There are sacred cows on all blogs.You should see some of the Dylan Ones.
I've discovered great music ,films,books etc thanks to the people who post here and i've also discovered that i can take or leave Fairport Convention, leave for the most part.
Oh no they'll be after me now as well.
Y'know
It took me awhile to twig what RT stood for.
I kept thinking Radio Times and it would not go away.
* Sorry if that is off the beaten track and elitist.
RT
Roger Taylor of Duran Duran doesn't attract this kind of fundamentalist worship.
Robin Trower
Rose Tattoo
Robin Tyner (Kick out The Folk MotherF*******).
RT is adopted because his name is written enough( or not ?).
Nothing personal Richard.
Actually he seems a decent bloke. Wonder what he thinks of the RT massive ?
rt
wo d2
So Mr Squire
Now that you've had your moan about all the moaning old gits on here what is it of interest you have to offer. Spit it out now my man, spit it out. As Twangathon remarked what's not to like???
What music, topics would you like to be thrashed out??
My problem isn't with peoples choices
their loves or even their hates, but the same topic types seem to pop up over and over again. The site is beginning to resemble a used copy of Record Collector. Unlike thankfully, the magazine itself which is still vibrant.
I have I would consider a very eclectic musical taste similar to most people on the site but it seems a majority of posters can't even bother to find out if their "favourite" subject might have had a thread before. The "Search" button is one I'd recommend.
And without naming names I now know who "loves" who on this blog because they never "let it lie" and keep telling us. Over and over again.
Right now that's the only trashing I'd like to be part of. No repetition please.
Listen, soft lad
We talk about loads of different stuff on here. We’re a broad church and a friendly, tolerant bunch. We’re interested in each other’s enthusiasms, even when we may not share them. And we have fun.
You want a music recommendation. I’m spending my pocket money this weekend on the new single by Solange, Beyonce’s sister. Because it’s ace and if I still had a satchel I’d be scrawling her name on it.
I love it
Its now in my list of things to pick up this weekend.
Thanks for the recommendation.
"Soft lad"... I think not.
“Your mind is like a prism . . .
for God’s light to shine through”. According to the Solange song anyway.
Maybe you should view the Word forum in the same way: people put their ideas, opinions, enthusiasms etc. through it and, on a good day, it goes off in all directions; you take from it what you will.
Lighten up. Stop mithering. And have a nice weekend.
Surely
the best thing is to come up with an alternative thread and steer things in a more productive direction, if you feel that is necessary, rather than getting off on the wrong foot by being negative and having a dig at various unnamed individuals. New blood and fresh approaches are always welcome. Yes some of us do get tired of the repeated points about how no one can sing nowadays and music was better in the past, but generally I find these points argued and articulated really well, worth reading and usually expressed with humour and wit, and not so easy to dismiss. If you disagree then you can easily just make your own point.
or not read that post!
..........reading is entirely optional. I will defend to the death someone's right to not be arsed to check who I think the best band in the world is before posting, and I am confident they won't mind me telling them (again) that it is Little Feat. Or that RT is godlike. Or that ABBA are crap. IMHO. Whoops.
Drunks, like old people. . .
are infamous for being repetitive. So when you put the two together. . . .
You get
Van Morrison!!No?
Too cruel
And too accurate.
If only I could sound as good when repeating myself as VM does, though.
very true
Only a bit a fun, yeah that's a voice for sure.
personally
enjoy it all ... and still listening to new music for that perfect perfect album or another one to appear in my top ten.not so very boring ... and the old stuff ? perhaps i missed something ? or then again just a song i like for now or a laugh or .....
what the hell who knows !
God, how predictable is this?
Every single internet forum I've ever visited eventually has a post like this, the general gist of which is "it's not as good as it used to be". Yawn.
Well, it's nonsense. This forum is just as interesting as it ever was. A little bit of repetition is inevitable after a while, but so what? Just read the threads which take your fancy.
A licensed big game hunter writes
The Fairport Convention Fan and its related subspecies the Richard Thompson Fan, have long been prized for their distinctive russet beard hair (used in the doormat weaving industry) and also for their tender flesh which tastes of real ale.
The WORD forums were originally set up with the intention of providing a natural habitat for these persecuted animals, who at the time had been hunted almost to the point of extinction. Unfortunately the reservation has become a victim of its own success. With populations of both species spiralling to unmanageably high levels, the wardens realised that they could no longer rely upon old age and predators to thin-out the aging herd and so reluctantly ordered a selective cull.
As of March 2008, this blog remains the only reserve in the British Isles where Fairport Convention and Richard Thompson fans can be legally hunted under licence. These permits are granted on the conditions that only sick and weak members of the herd be targeted and that they are killed humanely by a spent bullet drilled in a hole in the back.
Even though I have already dispatched several of these living throwbacks to the cretaceous period of the music industry, I will freely admit that the inner majesty of their lumbering, dinosaur-like aspect has more than once caused my finger to waver momentarily on the trigger.
At the risk of...
...sounding like a pre-pubescent girl in a chat-room, I'm currently LMAO!
I am 51
but do not consider myself elitist in any way. I agree that there is some repetition but it is actually very hard to avoid given the increase in postings to the site and the substantially greater number of contributors. Surely both of these points are testimony to the success of the site? The great attraction for me is that you never know what debate will come up next and if anything the difficulty these days is that there is so much contribution it is much easier to overlook something that you would really like to involve yourself in.
Personally I dont know of any other site that is as much fun - if you ignore the stuff of no interest to you,there will still be plenty to immerse yourself in.
Ironically this has been an interesting thread
I think the blog is in great shape.
I admit that I have posted some absolute tosh here in my time.
The hangover ratings for instance, no thought went into that, it wasn't there to provoke a debate just a laugh I hoped.
There's enough room here for Richard Thompson and Richard Madeley if we so wish.
I agree
(1) Great shape
(2) I throw my daft share of questions too but replies partly guide you to daft/unwise posts
(3) Not a huge RT fan but this is a welcome home for debate
So
It's your fault then. We will soundly hit you about the head with a rolled up copy of Sounds and leave it at that.
It's easy to get sidetracked when you are among like-minded loonies. However good or bad the topic, it will inevitably drop off the page to be replaced by some other pearls of wisdom. For every Dad's Army there are several 'Ello 'Ello.
For newcomers, there are posting guidlines here
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/faq
Particularly:
- keep things clean (like Brian Clough said: no swearing, gentlemen, please), friendly, and polite.
- any comment you make can easily be taken the wrong way. If in doubt, leave it out.
- if you do offend someone, apologise.
I agree
However the Vented Spleen thread did encourage lyrics of a swearing nature which I think on the whole was a tenporary blip
Mia cupla
sorry chaps for starting that one!!
Me too
and me too..my contribution was a tad sweary
What new thread has The Squire
recently posted to guide us on a more enlightened path?
Errrr...
2 posts
The first
dipping of the toe into uncharted waters is always the most scariest. Everybody needs time to find their place in The Word Love-In.
The magazine and the blog
Are 2 different things.
The mag is editted and presented to appeal and to be bought by as many as its demographic (whatever that may be) as possible. It's interesting, witty, informed and at this point in time the best of bunch, if that bunch is said to include Uncut, Mojo etc.
The blog is another thing entirely and operates of its own will. It's uneditted, it's parochial, it's repetitive, it's frivolous, it's irreverent, it's endlessly diverting, it's inclusive.
It's immense fun to read and contribute to. It may be driven by Word's content but it's its own beast. To judge or compare it to the mag is irrelevant. It's a blog. Therefore it will be all those things that can irritate or amuse as blogs do.
I don't see any point in getting unduly huffy about it.
This blog is bloody fantastic...
because for every Grandad Crowther like me, there is someone extolling the virtues of Bunghole Carrotcake or whoever the latest thang happens to be.
Long may it run...
Wow
Outstanding name . Have they got a CD out?
I cannot live with a CD collection that lacks a Bunghole Carrotcake spine proudly on view.
Dear Mr Squire
You may actually have a point about repetition. Yes I think we all know who likes who, but isn't that the point. Half the fun of this site (IMHO) is the fact that people NEVER SHUT UP rabbiting on about the artists/things that rock their world. "Over and Over again" to use your words.
And they keep telling us (to use Status Quo), "Again and Again"!. Maybe it is like the NME in the 70's or 80's but hey....if you are here, you are the boys and girls who never want to grow up. Its Neverland for the Big Kids.
If you don't like it you just give it a miss. There IS other stuff to read or digest. OK mine might not be much cop, for that Mr Squire I apologise but I hope you understand I just don't have the time to sit down and compose the ditties that you rail against. If I did I'd more likely be standing up and saying guilty Mr Squire, Your Honour.
So I confine myself to short little ditties that might be funny ( to me anyway) or interesting.
I think you should lighten up, there is enough bad karma around without having a go at generally nice people spouting on about their favourite acts. Even if these are Richard T, Fairport, The Band, Dylan, Yes, Gilbert O'Sullivan (you know who you are) etc.
The joy of ever meeting these characters will be in taking the piss, not having a go.
So I would say have a nice weekend a lighten up. And I promise to always hit the search button and never to repeat myself again.And I promise to always hit the search button and never to repeat myself again. Oh shit.
Yours in musical differences,
The one they call Springer. (Only because he told so many stories I might add.)
You forgot the mighty
Supertramp.
And the cult. . .
that is Cribbins.
Then......
The consensus seems to be that repetition is OK and the site and the magazine really don't relate on a certain level. (That level being if you keep belting out the usual sacred cows some cow shit is bound to stick).
I'm not trying to be huffy but editorial common-sense should apply. You wouldn't mind but many of you work in the media so you should know better.
I mean come on some posts here smack at "look at me Mr H. Aren't I a good writer". Seriously! Send in a CV and do us a favour.
Jeez mate
Chill. So what if someone wants to play teachers pet. That's just a little of life here on the blog and I dare say plenty of us get a laugh at watching it.
Mr Squire you need a holiday. I hope you win big on the lottery tonight. The go out and buy the biggest happy pill in the shop and do yourself a big favour.
Then go back and check out the thread a few weeks back when what we actually liked about The Word and the site was discussed. Repetition indeed. What's good for the goose and all that!
Easy Tiger
I agree with Springer...and intead of criticising why dont you inspire us with your own threads and contributions...as Mr Springteen says "You cant tell people [what to think or do], You gotta show em"....
He's right
I'm a fantastic writer and I should have a byline in the mag.
But I'm not and I won't. I'm very much the enthusiastic amateur and that's how it will stay. I'm repeating myself here, but I don't particularly care. It's a blog. It's populated by an ungoverned, disparate, ever-changing group of strangers with no set editorial remit or agenda. It is bound to be unrelentingly samey and unstoppably trivial. The only way it won't be would be to govern it. That is edit it and set some scope. Therefore for it to become another publication.
To get hacked off with a group of people you have no knowledge of or control over and berate them for not being as interesting as you think they should be is an odd way to spend a weekend. Have a lovely one anyway! I'm going to write 'Blue Oyster Cult' on my pencil case.
I thought the Squire was referring to me....
I do realise I was trying a bit too hard to grab the attention of Mr Hepworth with my stupendous hangover ratings post.
I have already given notice at work in readiness for my upcoming Word post.
Leave it!
No, it's all mine I tell you. Mine!
In fairness to The Squire he has instigated a great debate about all things presented at this particular IP address. Made the blog even more interesting which is going some in my view.
You know
doing this is my first experience, after all these years, of putting some comments out there in the public domain on any subject, let alone pop music. And yet inspite of my late discovered, clear talent and suitability for being a writer on the subject those bastards have never once mentioned my comments in a podcast or published anything I've written here on the letters page. They'll pay for it one day though, just you wait.
Hepworth
OK Hepworth, admit it, you are The Squire and are just winding up the group before buggering off on holidays! Look at the facts, 1 blog entry, joined 1 hour before posting it, probably packing for France with a big grin thinking about us thrashing about. Charming.
You might be onto something Twangothan
This Mr The Squire (if that's his real name) complains about things being regurgitated and uses as proof a previous post that said much the same thing! That alone made me think "This is a wind-up."
When I signed onto the site I didn't realise I had to read every post, regardless of content. I read all the initial posts but I only go further if it's interesting to me.
I wonder if this The Squire goes eavesdropping in the street and berates people if they are having a conversation similar to one that he's heard before.
You know why I like this site? People are generally polite. I've only seen one post where I thought "That's nasty."
Also no-one talks in acronyms. I haven't seen one LOL or ROTFLMAO. I have a particular hatred for "LOL". The first time I noticed it was on the bottom of every email I got from one certain person, I thought "He's given himself a nickname." So I asked him what the deal was and he said "You idiot, it means Laugh Out Loud"
I subsequently mentioned it to a female friend and she said "No it means "Lots of Love." It's a pretty crappy acronym that has two possible meanings.
Anyway in my idle moments at work I used to visit the Amazon site that has all the reader posts. Can't remember what it's called but it had a weird devotion to the band Rush.
All the threads seemed to be...
What's your favourite Rush song? Please give excruciating detail.
Here's my reasons why Rush are the best band in the universe, what are yours?
Why are Rush so underrated?
I hope all you Rush haters die!
So anyone here like Rush?
That eventually drove me nuts so I started coming here instead.
...and you ended up in a place where...
Rob Fitzpatrick writes an article about his love for Rush's music and the fact that he once fashioned a pig with their name on it.
how...
do you know that it isn't me?
Lots Of Love
I like the Word Blog
and if I didn't I would go and find something I did like.
Dear fellow Bloggers
I'm sorry you've all taken offence. I actually do like the Blog contrary to what other posters might think. Maybe I should lighten up on this but then again, so should you all.
However I do think my main point is still valid and correct. If all I've done is made you think about what you post then I think my job here is done.
I am not Mr H nor do I work for Development Hell. Any likeness to them is entirely accidental.
For now I bid you adieu!
Don't go
You kicked off a splendid debate and I'd be very interested to read your comments on what does or doesn't tickle your fancy.
One question: Are you Paul Squire?
"my job here is done"
Oooh! Get you!
Adieu? Oh that reminds of......
Richard Thompson singing Adieu Adieu
“my job here is done”
Look, pal, who the hell do you think you are? Nobody asked you to do any “job”. Nobody thinks there’s a “job” that needs doing. What makes you imagine you have the wisdom and authority to “make us think” about “what you post“? What makes you think anyone gives a rat’s arse whether you like this board or not?
We’ve muddled along pretty well until you popped up to tell us where we were going wrong; we’ll continue to muddle along when you’ve gone, “job done”. (And I’m presuming you know the difference between “adieu” and “au revoir”).
Well
said!
Adieu in the life
But were The Beatles really that great? Absolument monsewer! From the ridiculous to the sublime:
Hey with punning titles like that they should really give me a job.
I was quite enjoying this,
not least as I have just posted with reference to Convention, F, but isn't adieu a somewhat lily livered retreat? You have to keep banging on about your prejudices. You can't fly in and fly out, man. You have to post and post again. We must recognise you by your repetition. Familiarity must become your cloak. How else, pray, will you ever become one of us?
As someone new to the Word blog
I don't recognise The Squire's description at all. Although I passed the stereotype test with flying colours (40something male who buys cds and longs for TOTP etc...) I don't have a particular liking for Richard Thompson and positivey dislike Fairport Convention (I'd rather go to a Cliff Convention). My one sadness about the blog is that I don't have time to keep up with it all as there is so much interesting and diverse stuff on here. So guys keep it up, keep me entertained and I'll try to chip in when I can.
Where is Beatles Band?
NME letters pages of yore were pretty good a lot of the time. Better perhaps than the 'legendary' black type at Smash hits. Fighting Talk?
I don't like Richard Thompson...
Bob Dylan, Prog Rock, Pentangle, Eric Clapton and I think the Beatles are overated - BUT I still love the Word Blog!
There's always something of interest and I enjoy spleen venting and enthusing over music and of course - making lists!
I would just say to The Squire that surely if you are moved to write and complain about the content then people might take you more seriously if you had actually contributed something mind-blowing, witty, interesting, informative or different to the Blog?
Shouldn't we just have a proper message board?
I've emigrated here from another music message board which is on the verge of closing, but which was also the sort of place where you could get the same sort of civilised and friendly music debate. But there are several things I don't like about the Blog format:
a) there's no easily accessible index so it's easier for me to start a new blog on, say, Bob Dylan, than look to see if there's an existing discussion
b) The hot topics over the last 7 days/4 weeks is useful but it's easy to miss a discussion which is less popular but still potentially of interest
c) There's no breakdown of topics, for example the blogs could be put into categories such as "Word Announcements" "Bands/Artists" "TV" "Music Formats" etc so that I could go straight to the discussions that interest me.
There are plenty of others, that just make it less "user friendly" than a traditional message board. It's not as if it's difficult to set one up - there is plenty of excellent message board software around (e.g. vBulletin)
Anyway, there's my 2p worth
On the other hand
Boards like phpBB, vBulletin, UBB (or my favourite, Vanilla) might be easy to set up, but they're generally much harder to integrate with other software packages like the ones we use to run the other parts of the site. They work better as standalone packages.
As far as accessibility goes, it's really six of one and half a dozen of another. Double-posts occur whether you use boards or blogs simply because people generally won't normally check to see if subjects have been covered before. You can argue that bulletin boards create cliques in a way that blogs don't, and that blog entries tend to be more considered, but it really depends on the community, not the software chosen to run it.
In the end, both do the same thing: they display content, albeit in slightly different ways. For us, the advantages that blogging offers (in terms of integration, in terms of SEO, in terms of what we thought would work with Word readers and with us), meant that the choice was an easy one to make.