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What The Folk?

SimonL's picture

Recommendations please from you lot.

I'm getting more interested in British folk (and folk-rock) over the past couple of years. I know some of the more obvious things like the Fairports, Bert Jansch and Davy Graham. But even on those I'm only a novice. Thanks to The Pogues when I was a youngster I'm fairly up on my Irish stuff, but the Brit stuff has only in the past few years started to make sense to me.

So, yes please: recommendations!

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I know there will be members

of the massive far more qualified than me to point you in the right direction Simon, but may I suggest an outfit called 'The Owl Service', they have a cd out called 'A garland of Song', and very fine it is too, believe it was reviewed in The Word last year, a thrilling mix of the traditional with a bit of experimentation thrown in for good measure

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Mint | 17 February 2009 - 11:23am

Here are three to be going on with

Seth Lakeman - firey fiddles from the west country
Rachel Unthank and the Winterset - stirring ballads of Northumberland life
Jim Morey - electronic tinged middle England

Enjoy.

I feel a Spotify playlist coming on...

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Fridge | 17 February 2009 - 11:27am

I think Tunng

are still accepted under the folk banner. You must of heard The Imagined Village SimonL! Lisa Knapp, Kris Drever and Show of Hands are all worth an investigation.

And then there's that chap that had that song about his Dad that was never anygood with money the year before last. Can't remember his name but it'll come back to me....

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TedLoaf | 17 February 2009 - 11:44am

Simpson

Martin.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 11:54am

Martin Simpson is his name.....

...and the song is on a cd called "That's Proper Folk". It's a Proper records sampler(which is really an excellent compilation).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thats-Proper-Folk-Various-Artists/dp/B00165QOQC/...

is the link to find it on Amazon at £1.98!!!!! Though mostly, it's not all British artists.

There was a Folk Britanica thing on BBC not that long ago, and also(on BBC)there was tv footage from the Cambridge Folk Festival of last year. May well be worth searching for.

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bigsteviecook | 17 February 2009 - 11:59am

John Martyn and John Smith

You can't go wrong with almost any seventies JM release , although probably best not start with Inside Out..

Criminally - John Smith who I saw supporting John Martyn doesn't even seem to have got on the radar yet - he's probably one of THE best guitarsists I've ever seen - just watch his acoustic-as-percussion performance here..


Andy Votel's Welsh Rare Beat - a Welsh language folk-comp is a treat..

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Mondo | 17 February 2009 - 11:51am

A lazy way

Pick up any CD by or with Kate Rusby. Look at the list of backing musicians/collaborators, tapping their name in turn into your search engine and you come up with as good a launchpad as any, viz Seth Lakeman (who I personally don't like), Cara Dillon, John McCusker, Andy Cutting, Eddi Reader, Martin Simpson, John Tams, Donald Shaw, Michael McGoldrick, the list is endless. Tap in their names too and you will spread the web wider. The incestuousness of the folk "scene" is such that there seems no fear of mixing and matching.
Or then there is the equivalent launchpad of Eliza Carthy.
And bear in mind these are already 2nd generation artists.
Just out this last week or two is John McCuskers "Under One Sky, a deliberate attempt to bring together the traditions of the 4 countries of the UK, with many of the names above, but also with Roddy Woomble, erstwhile frontman for REM-alikes Idlewild, who has become a bit of a hairy face and jumpered folkie of late, with an excellent solo LP and a trio package with the aforementioned McCusker and Kris Drever, himself the son of Ivan Drever, once the singer with Wolfstone, scots folk-rockers exemplar. Under One Sky has had reviews that have not been as complimentary as I believe is deserving, as it is an instrumental gem, garnished by the vocals of not only Woomble and Tams, but also the glorious velvet baritone of Jim Causley, new to me, and glorious gaelic songstrel, Julie Fowlis.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 11:52am

Be careful what you wish for

Be prepared to be swamped

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Sour Crout | 17 February 2009 - 11:53am

Definitely English...

...definitely folk but not yer conventional finger in ear and pint mug in hand stuff; you might like to try Bellowhead. Singer John Boden is my neighbour but I'm only slightly biased by that...

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Baron Counterpane | 17 February 2009 - 12:09pm

I've never met the man

and, as far as I know, live nowhere near him. I second your recommendation! Great band.

Also second:

Seth Lakeman
Eliza Carthy (also check out Waterson:Carthy, in which she appears with her folk-hero parents and their various offshoots)
Imagined Village (which, er, features Elyza and Martin Carthy)

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Fraser M | 17 February 2009 - 12:24pm

As above

Particularly the post about following the musicians backing Kate Rusby (while certainly also including Kate herself at the top of any list).

My personal English recommendations for checking out:

Show of Hands
Home Service
John Tams
Albion Band (in its many incarnations going right back to the seventies)
Oysterband
Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson, Eliza Carthy and their various combinations including Martin with Dave Swarbrick
Martin Simpson
Spiers and Boden both as a duo and as part of Bellowhead
June Tabor
The Barely Works (now disbanded but CDs should still be around)

I'm sure there are lots more.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 17 February 2009 - 12:22pm

So named because of his atonal bellow?

I've tried all permutations but I just can't handle his voice. In perusing his website just now, I note that the cedit for his photos is for one David Angel. The eco-warrior, I wonder?

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 12:30pm

Jeez

How could I forget OysterBand?! I would suggest an easy start with their June Tabor collaboration, Thunder and Rain, then picking one of their retrospectives before heading off into their now pretty big repertoire.
They also feed into the above tortuous interweaving courtesy their Big Session tours and LP, involving Eliza Carthy and Jim Moray, amongst others. And they are also frequently involved with the accoustic Chumbawamba, the electro-anarchy days long gone, who are highly recommended for their last 4 or 5 albums, which are definitely folk. And who offer perhaps the finest harmony vocal sound in the land these days.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 12:38pm

The Big Session

Gave us the best version of Love Will Tear Us Apart. Can't find it on Spotify but did find this ropey video on YouTube.


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Thomas the Rhymer | 17 February 2009 - 6:30pm

And, of course,

the Oysters do also a cracking Love Vigilantes.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 7:14pm

Ahem...

If I may blow my own trumpet here... You can find it on my 8tracks.com mix here: http://8tracks.com/wayfarer/english-mix

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wayfarer | 18 February 2009 - 10:45am

Acid/psych/wyrd folk…

… or whatever they're calling it this week, if you're interested in pursuing that line, try to track down a series of CDRs called Lammas Night Laments. I think there were about 12 produced. Never commercially available, copies were doing the rounds a few years back, and they're an incredible and wide-ranging collection of mainly British, but also US and European, tracks from late-60s-mid-70s. All the big names are there (Anne Briggs, Sandy Denny, Bert Jansch, Donovan et al), plus cult favourites like Mellow Candle, Comus, Mr Fox and many, many mpre obscure gems. There's a big Wicker Man vibe to a lot of this. Not everything is great, of course, but it's still the acid-folk motherlode. Two commercial comps, Gather In The Mushrooms and Early Morning Hush, seem to have been based on the series, and are a good starting point.

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David Rothon | 17 February 2009 - 1:51pm

Ok I've Spotified it

Here's a starter list for English/British folk. I've been a bit restricted as Spotify seems unaware of many of my favourites and for others it doesn't necessarily have their best material. But, assuming I've got the technicalities right, feel free to add to this playlist.

http://open.spotify.com/user/lftony/playlist/1d9UaDqWMR0TQJ6cVzC7oe

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Thomas the Rhymer | 17 February 2009 - 3:18pm

Good man

Lakeman/Winterset added in!

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Fridge | 17 February 2009 - 3:21pm

Too right about Spotify

Very short on very many of the names listed on this strand. Pity.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 5:26pm

Chris Wood

for me "Trespasser" is a superb album of original and trad folk

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Bingham | 17 February 2009 - 2:45pm

Johnny Flynn

A Larum by Johnny Flynn is easily my most played record of last year. Great live too!
I suppose Richard and Linda Thmopson and Fairport Convention's stuff goes without saying!

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kev147 | 17 February 2009 - 3:15pm

Seconded

Johnny Flynn's "A Larum" is fantastic.

I have, however, been playing Laura Marling's "Alas, I Cannot Swim" pretty much solidly for about four months now. I know it's probably not classed as "proper" folk by the Folkerbund, but it regularly brings a small tear to my eye nonetheless.

Do I need help?

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turnitoffmumido... | 18 February 2009 - 12:21am

All of the Above

and the late, great Nick Drake. Are we allowed to mention Richard Thompson?

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wayfarer | 17 February 2009 - 4:16pm

Nick Drake

is pretty much a given. He's been in my music collection for a very long time. John Martyn too, although not the earlier stuff until recently.

Also, having been a fan from an early age thanks to my Dad, Donovan's poppier end of 60s folk is a particular favourite style of mine. Any Brits that went down that particular bright and breezy avenue with him?

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 4:23pm

Less beards, younger faces

Bellowhead (and therefore, Spiers and Boden)
Tim Van Eyken
Kris Drever
Eliza Carthy
Seth Lakeman
Kate Rusby

and get, get, GET The Imagined Village album, despite Tam Lin being revisited and butchered to death (IMHO).

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Mark Buckley | 17 February 2009 - 4:30pm

Have you heard Shooglenifty?

Scottish admittedly but very good, very bouncy and very dancey.

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ganglesprocket | 17 February 2009 - 4:31pm

Yeah - good band

Also Tartan Amoebas, if you're going down the Scottish nu-folk route.

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Fraser M | 17 February 2009 - 4:49pm

Peatbog Faeries

and Croft No 5. 2 more "Acid Croft" favourites.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 5:24pm

Martyn Bennett

Also the late Martyn Bennett's stuff is very good. I met him briefly and he seemed to be a thoroughly nice man too - I wish I'd heard more of his music before meeting him.

Also (and much more traditional) I saw a group called The Old Dance School at Moseley Folk Festival last year and they were excellent. They have a CD which I believe Bob Harris has been playing tracks from on his Saturday night shows.

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Dr Yang | 18 February 2009 - 2:43pm

Seconded

Probably easier to approach via Glen Lyon, which is reasonably conventional, rather than, say, Hardland or Grit, which are hardcore industrial techno-bagpipes.

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Retropath2 | 18 February 2009 - 5:13pm

A few years back - 2001/2002

an ex of mine worked at Cecil Sharp House. I'm sure I saw Spiers and Boden perform there at one time. Have they been around that long?

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 4:46pm

Not

According to their website:

http://www.spiersandboden.com/about.html

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Thomas the Rhymer | 17 February 2009 - 6:17pm

A bit of google later

tells me they won a bbc folk award back in 2003, so perhaps their website is a little out of date...

Apparently, though, yes I did see them at Cecil Sharp back in about 2002.

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 7:14pm

Davy Graham

So this prompted me to look for some Davy Graham on Youtube, which offered this

Very nice, can't beat a bit of London bombsite (cf The London Nobody Knows) - but what about the Ken Russell doc from which it is taken? Looks like a winner. Must be this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052866/

Now I want to see the rest of it...

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GrahameD | 17 February 2009 - 5:03pm

Funnily enough

I watched that yesterday; damn good clip.

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 5:50pm

Alasdair Roberts

...is well worth a listen. Though I'm not a huge folk follower, No Earthly Man and The Amber Gatherers are both favourites of mine. From a bit further back Nic Jones' Penguin Eggs is always a treat.

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Pilleus Jr | 17 February 2009 - 7:53pm

My my

That Rachel Unthank & The Winterset is damn damn good. I admit to sometimes avoiding Mercury Prize nomination albums. Especially the more 'specialist' albums. But everybody should give them a listen.

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 7:56pm

One word....

Lau

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Big Jim | 17 February 2009 - 7:59pm

Overshadowed

by others in the early 70s but try "On the Shore" by Trees as a starter for ten.

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Fear Manach | 17 February 2009 - 8:00pm

Olivia Chaney

This is just fabulous:



Barbara Ellen from zeta-oral on Vimeo.

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David Rothon | 18 February 2009 - 9:12am

Thanks to you all

I now have an iPod nano renamed The Beard and several (try quite a few..)recommendations from this thread. Thank heavens for birthday gifts of music vouchers and money!

I knew Kate Rusby but hadn't really investigated: lovely voice, lovely lovely voice. The Rachel Unthank one is excellent too and out of the others I've loaded and had random play going on with Bellowhead has stood out quite a lot.

Thanks!!!

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SimonL | 18 February 2009 - 10:55am

and there's more....

No mention of the great Steeleye Span yet, their pre-Chrysalis albums are of particular interest, the earliest featuring both Terry Woods and Ashley Hutchings. Nice to see The Albion Band name-checked, if you want something a little more esoteric check out the Morris-On album featuring messrs Hutchings, Kirkpatrick and Word fave Richard Thompson amongst others. There are other Morris On discs, but, with each disc the pleasure is diminished, unfortunately. I'm happy to second Mr Fox, also, check out The Trees (I think there are some new remasters/delux editions going around) and The Dransfields. Enjoy.

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garygrills | 19 February 2009 - 1:45am

Check out the spotty list

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Retropath2 | 19 February 2009 - 8:42am

Just remembered a really good new band...

The Old Dance School are a really good folk band from the midlands. I prefer their instrumentals to their songs and I recommend Rosemann Bridge and Cwm Dieldre in particular.

Seen them live, they all look about 12 and made me feel awfully untalented as a result...

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ganglesprocket | 19 February 2009 - 10:21am
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