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What musical arguments do you have with your kids?

Mousey's picture

For me there are two at the moment

1. 14 year old daughter is watching music video on TV. I enter the room. "Dad don't tell me this is shite because I really like it". End of conversation.

2. 17 year old son is a classical trombone player, who likes the music of Brahms (19th century romantic composer); I don't. He keeps trying to either get me to listen to this music (which I have never liked) or get me to describe in anatomical detail WHY I don't like it and then try and persuade me with counter-arguments. Obviously he just wants Dad to be on side, same way I tried to get my parents to listen to the softer side of the music I was into at the same age - eg "nice" Beatles songs, Simon and Garfunkel, ELP (look - they play Mussorgsky! Copland! etc).

Familiar? Different stories?

(PS - the only thing the WHOLE FAMILY agrees on is we all like - um, the Beatles. Nuff said)

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I was...

playing a Nat King Cole song on Spotify, and my 11 year old just started looking at the laptop with a look of horror on her face. I asked her did she not like it, and her reply was 'why would you think that I'D like something like THAT'?!.

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humphreym | 19 August 2009 - 8:40am

Memories

>>Obviously he just wants Dad to be on side, same way I tried to get my parents to listen to the softer side of the music I was into at the same age - eg "nice" Beatles songs, Simon and Garfunkel, ELP (look - they play Mussorgsky! Copland! etc).

I remember subjecting my Dad-a lifelong Stravinsky, Britten, Ravel etc man-to what must have been the Xmas '78 Friday Rock Show listeners top 10 (Freebird, Layla, Smoke, Stairway, Supper's Ready, Xanadu, Starship Trooper etc etc) on a long car journey. This would now be banned under the Geneva convention. With hindsight I am amazed I wasn't turfed out and told to hitch back to Hampshire ...

Although he did allow that the sax on Shine on you Crazy Diamond was quite nice ... (and actually likes the Beatles and the Police, and Marshall Hain). My late mother's great phrase was "has this got many verses ?"

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SpaceBoy | 19 August 2009 - 8:48am

There is but one

music argument with my daughter (2 and a half). It goes as follows:

"No, we have listened to the "Something Special" album twice in a row and if I have to listen to "Balamory - The Songs" as well, I swear I will deliberately drive this car off the road."

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Fraser M | 19 August 2009 - 9:01am

It's the reverse for me

I listen to (taking my last.fm top 3 artists) Belle and Sebastian, Tindersticks and The Beatles. My Mum likes Lemar, Usher and Ne-Yo. I tried to find some middle ground by getting her to listen to Lewis II by Lewis Taylor...

...she didn't like it.

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Joe R | 19 August 2009 - 9:29am

my five year old

does not like the wiggles' dorothy the dinosaur song.

I do. After all, what's not to like?


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illuminatus | 19 August 2009 - 11:02am

Magnificent

cowbellage!

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James Blast | 19 August 2009 - 2:40pm

It's good, but

after the 35th time in one day, it grates verily

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robram | 21 August 2009 - 3:58pm

My five year old...

...is mostly influenced by her mother (so far), so it's Britney, Girls Aloud, etc. at the moment. If this continues, undoubtedly there will be father-daughter musical warfare. There is a glimpse of hope though; she likes The Horrors 'Scarlet Fields' and, rather worryingly, Brian Jonestown Massacre's 'If Love Is The Drug, Then I Want To OD'.

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doomah | 19 August 2009 - 10:00am

Currently it is

Do we have to have Abba Gold/Abba the Definitive Collection cds one and two AGAIN in the car, or very loudly in the front room. Last car trip saw very limited success with the Beat's greatest hits and B-52s Wild Planet (I like the singing but the songs aren't as good).

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Moseleymoles | 19 August 2009 - 10:05am

My 14 year old and The Beatles

The other day I mentioned to my daughter that - hint - if I got the new Beatles remasters for Christmas, I would give her all my old Beatles CDs; convinced that she would be overwhelmed by such a generous pledge to her upbringing. She said thanks, but she's not all that bothered. I mean, at the end of the day, The Beatles are just so overrated - no they're not, I said, they're underrated: ready to show her the Word articles, even read them to her out loud - and she went on to say that they were a bit, well, bland. Her direct quote - and I will never (let her) forget this - was that they were "just four guys singing".

Unfortunately, myself and every adult I've shared this with now just patronisingly nod to each other and say that one day she'll get it. And I dislike myself a little for that.

She told me to go and listen to 'Homecoming' by The Teenagers on Spotify. I did. And I'm still too much in shock to include a link.

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Lucas Hare | 19 August 2009 - 10:28am

I like that record

Although I can appreciate why you'd be a bit startled to hear your daughter praise it. It's like an X-Rated version of Summer Lovin' from the soundtrack to Grease.

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Fraser Lewry | 19 August 2009 - 10:34am

That's

a good way of looking at it, I guess.

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Lucas Hare | 19 August 2009 - 10:40am

Didn't someone actually do that?

Overdubbing the footage from the film with that song. It was on b3ta, I think, but can't find it on youtube any more.

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milkybarnick | 19 August 2009 - 2:01pm

Mine (bless 'im)

read something in the Telegraph when the Red album came out and promptly bought it for my brother and I. We taped the Blue off a friend and he rapidly came to prefer the Pepper era.

I think he was trying to start us off right.

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SpaceBoy | 19 August 2009 - 11:23am

When I was growing up

I liked pop and rock music (and still do). My dad liked jazz. Despite growing up in the 60s, he does not have a single LP that was typical for that period. So we always inhabited completely different musical universes.

He does live in the vain hope that I might get interested in jazz. However, with the exceptions of John Coltrane and Miles Davis, I haven't.

His single, sole concession to rock and pop is Steely Dan, who he loves. Probably because their music has a big undercurrent of jazz.

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Brookster | 19 August 2009 - 10:37am

Beatles

I'm also having an arguement with my daughters about the Beatles but it's the other way around. I really don't want to listen to the "Yellow Submarine" album in the car yet again but it's all they want to listen to.

It's getting so bad that it's making me think twice about the 9th of September.

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Pat Carty | 19 August 2009 - 10:39am

Yellow Submarine

I could just about handle that happening if it were the 'songtrack', but not the album.

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Lucas Hare | 19 August 2009 - 10:47am

it is

the remastered song version from a few years ago but It's the song itself that is starting to hurt my brain

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Pat Carty | 19 August 2009 - 11:05am

Take my advice, Pat

The only way is to focus on the low harmony vocal in the chorus. It makes the song marginally less tired. Marginally.

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Lucas Hare | 19 August 2009 - 11:19am

Same problem in my car.

Endless repetitions of Yellow Submarine - I get through it by picturing assorted Beatles and hangers-on making the sound effects. I vaguely remember reading in Revolution in the Head about them all grabbing various props and having a wonderful time simulating submarine noises. Wasn't Brian Jones involved too or was that something else?

Oh, and wondering at the genius of George Martin in editing in an apparently random snippet of marching band, and it fitting perfectly.

Likewise, you can get through Octopus's Garden by just concentrating on the wonderfully pristine guitar solo.

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Joe Robert | 19 August 2009 - 12:14pm

Brian Jones...

played sax on You Know My Name (Look Up The Number). Dunno if he was on any other Beatles tracks, though.

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theblindstagger | 19 August 2009 - 2:17pm

Nor did he...

Speaking of which, yesterday I watched the Godard 'One Plus One' movie (often known as Sympathy For The Devil) - what a load of cack. And to think we took that sort of thing seriously back in the day. What *were* we thinking?


It's only merit is the studio footage of the Stones. Anyone fancy editing out all the crap, leaving the 30 minutes of the Stones?


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stimpy | 19 August 2009 - 3:31pm

Sympathy For The Editor

At some point in the very early 90s, I went and saw Performance at The Scala in King's Cross, and it was preceded by all the footage of The Stones rehearsing this song, without any other Godardian ramblings.

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Lucas Hare | 19 August 2009 - 4:28pm

I'm half tempted to rip the DVD and do it myself

but with FFWD, Chapter Skip etc, and Youtube, I'm not sure I can be arsed :-)

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stimpy | 19 August 2009 - 4:41pm

Sympath for de'Debil

is on of the worst songs ever written, performed and recorded.

Every time it comes on't Planet Rock, I switch off and don't return for a week.

I have that freebie disc that came with a Sunday years ago.
Yes, it's unwatched. Should ani fule want it, PM me.

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James Blast | 19 August 2009 - 7:14pm

As per another thread

I am currently listening to it interpolated with Hey Jude and a number of other songs from the Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain's Proms encore.

It's fair to say it's an extraordinary rendition - you might feel they've improved it ...

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SpaceBoy | 19 August 2009 - 10:05pm

try the White Album

For a while all we had in the car was a cassette of the White Album which has lots of singalong songs for kids - Bungalow Bill for example. Then they'd drift off to sleep during "number nine, number nine".

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Mousey | 19 August 2009 - 8:25pm

Dad says "Practise your saxophone/piano".

Son replies "OK Dad, just after The Simpsons finishes".

Dad says "Now"!

This happens every feckin' day.

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bigsteviecook | 19 August 2009 - 10:46am

Opposite In Our House

When my son was 17, I noticed that Pet Sounds had disappeared, plus the Led Zeppelin Remasters and a Hendrix Compilation soon after I bought them. I hadn't listened to that stuff for years, so he must have got into it by osmosis, in the womb, or via MTV/VH1/Kerrang.

As an aside, when we first got Sky, would you believe it only had one channel -Kerrang (or so you might think). He developed a liking for Bob Marley as well. I bought him a copy of Red by Black Uhuru but he has never played it.

I bought the Streets and never got that back, plus he developed a liking for Bowie when he was 18. Whilst at Uni, he got into metal big-time and I found out that he was playing bands like Boston, Kansas etc. from 80s to whom I wouldn't have given house-room, although he was still listening to loads of indie stuff, The Smiths and bits of Drum/Bass. He has a liking for Thin Lizzy and latterly, both he and my wife have become big Rush fans.

Where we do differ is on World music, which he sees as a trendy fad and dismisses out of hand. However, I know that he has attended the odd Ceilidh and folk-music sessions!

I think he indulges my liking for Country and Americana, plus forays into jazz/fusion. We all share a liking for Henry Rollins spoken word stuff.

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Badlands | 19 August 2009 - 11:07am

I don't have any kids, but friends who do

...say their kids are mad about Mamma Mia! and Abba. Boys, girls, varying ages. They're even naming pets after the characters. Parents have been tracking down Abba cassettes on eBay for God's sake. They're all crazy about it.

Is this your experience?

Perhaps Mamma Mia! is this generation's Grease.

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Five-Centres | 19 August 2009 - 11:06am

Mistaken identity...

My Dad, used to play the Beatles Red tape to keep me and my brother quiet on our regular schleps to the Lakes. Once he put in the Beatles Blue tape. As the now unmistakeable Mellotron of Strawberry Fields came through the speakers bearing no resemblance to unrepentent three part harmonies with added sixths my nine year old self remonstrated: "Dad, this is not the Beatles". He gave me the cassette case bearing a heavily bearded Lennon et al which I gazed at in wonder, and then I listened, hard.

The moral is, get 'em when they are young...

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Richie B | 19 August 2009 - 11:22am

I can empathise

My Dad used to play both compilations on long car journeys and although I didn't know them as 'Red' or 'Blue' - as they'd been copied onto C60 tapes - I knew something had happened by the time of the latter tape, and I was disturbed and intrigued by it in equal measure. I swear that early exposure to these albums was responsible for my deep love of music today.

Incidentally, when asked what "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" meant, my Dad shot back: "Lucy is the moon, and the diamonds are stars". I'm still impressed with his quick thinking.

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Joe Robert | 19 August 2009 - 12:00pm

The first cassette I ever got

was the 1982 Beatles 20 Greatest Hits (Love Me Do was there, but no Please Please Me!). I only listened to it in the car and was amazed that *almost* as soon as you flipped over to side 2, everything changed, changed utterly. I think that's even more immediate, if you get me drift, than changing the actual tape!

Regarding the Red and Blue albums, the neighbours had them. I was transfixed by the covers of them. 'Surely they're not the same people'. Macca was the only one i could see as being recognisable.

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ivan | 19 August 2009 - 12:03pm

Macca

Yes, same here. And if you listen to some nutters, he was meant to be dead by then!

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Richie B | 19 August 2009 - 12:56pm

Been on holiday with 14 and 16 year old niece and nephew

...for our yearly outing. They've got their own band and are writing songs but each time she brought out her guitar it was Tears In Heaven - "where did you hear that?" trying to get an insight into how they find music. "Everyone knows that duh!"
A few bars of Big Yellow Taxi - I'm thinking she knows it from the cover versions - "do you know who wrote or sang it?" "Yeah that hippy woman with the long hair and dresses."
At least they're listening.Tried playing Neil Young but they fell asleep put Glasvegas on and it was requested later in the holiday as that Scottish band we couldn't understand.

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Tony Donaghey | 19 August 2009 - 11:51am

All I know

is that my kids - girl, just 7 and boy, 4 - both love "Jordan: The Comeback" by Prefab Sprout.

Whatever else I get wrong as a parent, I'll have done one thing right

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Sheev | 19 August 2009 - 12:08pm

The only thing that brings...

...my family together, cutting some rug on the living room floor, is "High School Musical". My lot, (Me, 39, wife, 37, eldest girl, 7, boy, 5, youngest girl, 2) all love it. Good tunes, corny lyrics, and a good mix of up tempo and slower numbers.

Perfect.

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Iainso | 19 August 2009 - 1:11pm

Ever since he died...

it's been Michael Jackson morning noon and night for my kids. And for most of their friends, come to that.

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Kit Hogue | 19 August 2009 - 2:17pm

Same here...

Though in all fairness, my wife pretty much grew up on Jackson's music (being only a couple years younger than the gloved one), and she's really taken the guy's passing hard. Could be a reminder of her own mortality. God help me when the last of the Ohio Players shuffles off this mortal coil. Our 10 and 12 year old girls have gone right along with the Jackofest, the older more so than the younger. I might attribute that to the 10yo's longstanding fondness for Riot Grrrl stuff. Out of deference to the GLW, I haven't mentioned how I believe a steady diet of Jackson will stunt the girls' development -- yet. Besides, there is all that quality time in the car with Dad when they can cleanse their palates with a bit of Elbow, Bat for Lashes, or Frightened Rabbit.

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Heathcliff Masala | 24 August 2009 - 4:53pm

A tricky one to get right as a parent, this.

On the one hand, I know that any arguments with my children over music are going to be pointless, so tend to avoid them - children will always tend to look for music that is their own and not their parents, so will resist all attempts to pursuade them to listen to what you think they should listen to - it's probably patronising to do that, in any case.

On the other, having an argument about it seems to be healthy(e.g. saying 'I don't know why you listen to that rubbish' even if you don't really mean it) and will probably please most children, as it will confirm that they are listening to music that their parents don't 'get', so the generation gap will appear to be maintained.

I always avoid pretending to like stuff my children like, as this always seems a bit desparate. The best moments come when one of them says they like a particular song they've heard somewhere, in a film usually, and I pull the relevant CD off the shelves and say 'of course, I've had this for ages'. For example, in School of Rock, when the shy girl belts out 'Chain of Fools', I was able to play them Aretha's version, and they've loved her ever since.

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MichaelP | 19 August 2009 - 2:34pm

I remember when i was

I remember when i was younger and my Dad would take us out for a drive and he would always play his Johnny Cash/Willie Nelson tapes in the car and i would try to play my Costello tapes.He won and looking back he was right.

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Randlepmcmurphy | 19 August 2009 - 5:11pm

Sometimes Kids Can Answer You Back

Having tried to coax and cajole my niece about not pushing her songwriting she answers in her own way.

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Tony Donaghey | 19 August 2009 - 5:21pm

Our 17 year old....

...will flick between music channels and never, ever, watch a song all the way through

If I comment about anything, I get one of the following :-

You are so uncool
You are so old
You know nothing

I work for a record company.............

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latenitetellyvision | 20 August 2009 - 9:43am

So

she's clearly right then :D

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illuminatus | 25 August 2009 - 12:16am

My 3 year old

will only listen to The Ting Tings!

We have to dance to it while she screams out the lyrics to That's Not My Name at full volume.

If I try anything else, she gets very annoyed. I've tried all sorts, but to no avail. Beatles, Jeff Buckley, La Roux, Beth Orton, Dylan, to name but a few, have all fallen on deaf ears.

My missus and I are desperate that she inherits some sort of musical nous, given that our walls are full of CDs - we're waiting for the epiphany!

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robram | 21 August 2009 - 4:01pm

Well, it is

their target age group!

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Black Type | 21 August 2009 - 4:04pm

Current Favorite Song?

Once upon a dream from Disney's Sleeping Beauty, normally horrible syrupy rubbish but my 3 1/2 year old daughter is able to sing it almost word for word, never in key and never on command (daddy, I already have is a typical response) but it's so cute - especially when she gets it wrong, as English is her second language (e.g. singing butterfly know you instead of "but if I know you")

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Los Aromas | 21 August 2009 - 5:36pm

As a teacher,

its the weird way all the kids think that it's impossible that a band they've discovered have ever been heard (of) by anyone else. They genuinely find it hard to understand the fact that any adult might be familiar with the work of Led Zeppelin, for instance.

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bathmat | 24 August 2009 - 4:09pm

Carrie & David versus Serious Dad Music...

Well, I'm new here but had to chip in. I've been trying to steer my not-quite-three year old son away from the evils of Carrie and David's Pop Shop and toward more worthy things. However, I am finding it difficult to get his wee musical world beyond the Night Garden, Boogie Beebies and 'The wheels on the farkin bus go round and round'.

I guess that an introduction to the world of early seventies prog or contemporary serious singer-songwriters-with-stuff-to-say is going to have to wait awhile...

Sigh.

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oktapod | 24 August 2009 - 6:55pm

Oh sweet Jesus

Carrie and David's Plop Shop!

Try him on a diet of Space Pirates, which at least manages to play some cool stuff sometimes. I have spotted a cover of Green Onions and some James Brown on the show before.

Well Mexico. :D

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illuminatus | 25 August 2009 - 12:19am

hmmmmm

While she likes Carrie and David my 3 year old has just come out of a year long obsession with Blondie, and started liking all the They Might Be Giants kids records I've got. But mainly she likes putting on 7" singles and dancing around/pretending to play the guitar (not air guitar - a real guitar) , so now the Kabeedies, the Schla La Las, British Sea Power, Misty's Big Adventure, Chuck, James Yorkston and Monkey Swallows the Universe are all big hits (NB videos help - she likes BSP and Misty's from watching videos on my i-pod and the CD_ROM of TMBG's No! is a fave).

All good.

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spt | 25 August 2009 - 9:28pm

Bratz

is not music.

Yes it is Dad.

No it isn't - and why don't they have noses?

Dad, just shut up.

How old are six year olds these days?

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Adman | 24 August 2009 - 7:21pm

My daughter loves Abba and

My daughter loves Abba and pretty much anything she can dance to (she is three). She also makes songs up on the spot from snippets of information overheard, this can be rather embarrassing in a supermarket queue. My son who is 8 likes a wide range of stuff but tends to give the same value to the good (say steely dan) as to the awful (crazy frog etc). I sneak stuff on to his ipod which i think he will like, this never works. "Dad, can you take of that song about having a 'plan stan', it's rubbish".

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woodface | 25 August 2009 - 8:33pm

My Son

soon to be 30, maintains that The Groundhogs, with Planty on vocals, would have been much better than Led Zep... And when I listen to Split, I can see where the Little Lad is coming from..

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geacher53 | 25 August 2009 - 8:43pm
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