What Happened to the Good Live Albums?

lizzy.jpgWhen I was a teenage metal-head, live albums were substantial affairs: something to be proud of, something a band earned the right to release. Deep Purple's Made In Japan stood shoulder-to-shoulder with their studio releases, as did No Sleep 'til Hammersmith by Motorhead, and Thin Lizzy's Live & Dangerous.

The same was true elsewhere. Think Marley at the Lyceum, or the Who in Leeds, or the MC5. Think Ummagumma. Think At Folsom Prison. Think Woodstock. Think Stop Making Sense. Think Live At The Apollo.

Nowadays live albums tend to be shoddy affairs, released as filler, by way of contractual obligation or newspaper freebie. In recent times only Wilco's effervescent Kicking Television: Live in Chicago seems to have risen above the mire.

Why? Is live music now so ubiquitous that it no longer requires documenting? Have there been any recent live albums of genuine worth?

Answers on a postcard...

Clearly you haven't heard

Clearly you haven't heard 'Okonosos' by My Morning Jacket.

Martin_Horsfield | 30 November 2007 - 2:30pm

Live on YouTube

Was never a fan of live albums myself, but now that I can view live performances on YouTube, I'm belatedly discovering some great musical moments. Case in point is the attached clip from Jules Holland's show where there's the amusingly uncomfortable fit of Robert Plant being closely followed by The Fall. An uncomfortably smug piece of happy clappy stuff by Planty which then segues into the rumbling Fall grind of 'Blindness'. Planty must have wondered what on earth was happening - "Are they warming up?" - indeed isn't that Planty looking rather bemused at 3:24? Reminds me of some of the clumsy mix tapes I used to make when I was 12.
Oddly this YouTube clip has become my favourite version of a modern day Fall classic-ah. Not least for the toe-curling awful bit right at the end by Jools.

Tommy Grant | 30 November 2007 - 2:56pm

Am I the only one

Am I the only one suffused with gloom when the juxstapostion of the words "live" and "album" comes into play?
It's always a bad sign.

Richard Lowe | 30 November 2007 - 3:41pm

It's all live DVD these days

It's all live DVD these days isn't it?

Dr.Robert | 30 November 2007 - 4:34pm

Live & Dangerous - not really live, and probably not dangerous

Fraser man, You should know that the only thing live on L & D is Brian Downey's drums and the audience; everything else was re-recorded in the studio. See Tony Visconti's notes here... http://www.tonyvisconti.com/artists/thinlizzy.shtml

dodger23 | 30 November 2007 - 4:40pm

Not Live

Yeah, I know all that, but it doesn't bother me - I suspect many 'live' albums of that generation were similarly manufactured - and it still stands up as a great record, however it was compiled.

Fraser Lewry | 30 November 2007 - 4:46pm

Lizzy Live

I saw Lizzy on that tour & they could have put the Cardiff Capitol show straight onto vinyl with barely an edit. Or is this one of those misty watercoloured memories?

johnsey | 7 December 2007 - 1:18pm

Rod & The Dame?

What's the live album that Danny Baker plays a bit of applause from, that has Rod Stewart being announced in the fadeout if you listen carefully?
I think it was a Bowie live album that an engineer had cut & pasted the applause into, but could be wrong. And hasn't Chuck Berry released some glaringly blatant dubbed-audience 'live' albums?

Paul | 30 November 2007 - 6:22pm

The Bowie album in question is...

...Diamond Dogs. The fake live bit at the start is lifted from a Faces live album.
John's Children's 'live' Orgasm album is completely fake. I seem to remember reading that the screams were taken from the soundtrack of A Hard Day's Night.

Dr.Robert | 1 December 2007 - 6:56am

Live and Lovely

The last great live album I bought was Crowded House's "Farewell To The World" although you could hardly call it recent as it was recorded over 10 years ago! In more recent times, Oasis's "Familar To Millions" wasn't really that bad at all.
Best ever live albums for me are Bruce Springsteen's "Live 1975-1985" and Dire Strait's "Alchemy". Don't snigger, give the latter a go, I feel A Dire Straits comeback will soon be on the cards.

David Wright | 30 November 2007 - 7:44pm

Of the albums ...

... you mentioned, I think what a lot of them have in common is that the versions of songs on those albums are superior to the studio versions. If the first version of Smoke on the Water you hear is the live version, then the studio version is going to sound incredibly plodding and restrained.

I think the best example of this (speaking as a fellow teenage headbanger), and again it's from the 1970s like many of those you mentioned, is UFO's Strangers in the Night. A lot of those songs only took off on the live album, having made little impact on the original studio albums.

Johan | 30 November 2007 - 8:37pm

UFO

Yes, indeed. Another album that had a similar impact was the Scorpions' Tokyo Tapes.

Fraser Lewry | 1 December 2007 - 12:40am

Live over original

Cheap Trick and Peter Frampton similarly....

kb | 3 December 2007 - 3:44pm

Exactly!

But it doesn't seem to happen anymore.

Fraser Lewry | 3 December 2007 - 3:47pm

It can be great live

I have some pretty good live Costello bootlegs although not sure I should mention that here. But his semi-official Live at El Mocambo is pretty good.

Then you get bands that are far better live than in the studio such as The String Cheese Incident - all of their gigs are recorded and sold as triple cd's on the band website. I tell you they are pretty bloody awesome - they started off as bluegrass but do fantastic extended live versions of Weather report,Bob Marley,Paul Simon,Pink Floyd - you name it. Musicianship of the highest standard.

Steve Turner | 30 November 2007 - 9:24pm

Portishead

Portishead - Live at Roseland NYC (1998)

Stunning....

David | 30 November 2007 - 9:51pm

You are right on the button

You are right on the button with that one

GunsOfBrixton | 4 December 2007 - 10:43pm

It's not recent but...

I've been enjoying 'Live Seeds' recently by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

Anyway, it's all about Bootlegs these days innit?

Paul Chandler | 30 November 2007 - 10:12pm

It's Not Recent but (2).................

Mott The Hoople's Live is something I return to often and I don't listen to most of the live albums I've got, who does?

Live And Dangerous/ In The Studio (delete where appropriate) is a good listen. Saw them live a few times in the seventies and what a band they were live, pity about the studio albums.

First time, they blew Queen off the stage.

Last time I saw them was in 1981 at the Milton Keynes Bowl (it's not a bowl, it's just a large field!) and sadly they were a parody of what they'd been previously.

anythingcanhappen | 1 December 2007 - 4:45am

Agree....

about Mott...the Anniversary Edition of the album is even better I reckon. Another tasty little live-r is 'Modern Lovers Live'- if only for the twelve or thirteen ( I've lost count ) versions of 'Ice Cream Man' and the sublime 'Morning Of Our Lives'.

eddie g | 1 December 2007 - 6:32pm

Bob Marley & The Wailers Live 1975

Isn't that one of the best?

marklabarre | 1 December 2007 - 10:25pm

Daft Punk

have released two live albums...

Rob Fitzpatrick | 2 December 2007 - 1:34pm

The Live Bootleg

I've never been too bothered about the official live album as a concept. They are often a bit overdone with editing tweaks and dubs, missing songs, and most of the banter seems to be edited out. The live bootleg is just the treat, the online hunt for the ones you were at, the set variation, the ellusive soundboard recording. The live albums that never were albums, just gigs that there happens to be a high quality mp3 of.

kidpresentable | 2 December 2007 - 8:47pm

Genesis ~ Live

only one problem with that album, why isn't there an "!" at the end of "Live"?

James Blast | 2 December 2007 - 11:00pm

Genesis - Live! (and other unreleased gems)

Re Genesis - Live. You only get the ! with the version I recently acquired (from friends in the virtual world) which includes Peter Gabriel's in between song ramblings and Supper's Ready.

of course many of the great live albums have never been officially released, such as the magnificent Main Point Night aka You Can Trust Your Car etc by Bruce Spingsteen, which was a stunningly good radio broadcast and The Great Lost Live Album by Genesis from the Selling England era. I've even found a couple of Pavlov's Dog FM radio broadcasts that made me extremely happy. Ah the internet - where would we be without it?

NeilJung | 3 December 2007 - 12:10am

Supper makes all the difference

The official release of the live Genesis (proper Genesis, when Phil was still behind the drums and Peter was going mental out front) album is indeed a poor relation of the er, virtual version you mention.

Make the effort, digipals, seek out the "other" version!

Vulpes Vulpes | 4 December 2007 - 1:58pm

Archive vol.1

I do have the missing Suppers Ready which should have appeared on the original but was removed since the record company didn't think they could shift a double live album by an up an coming act like them at the time. In the end it retailed for £1.49 IIRC, as did Lindisfarne Live.

James Blast | 7 December 2007 - 7:30pm

And From The Sublime To The Ridiculous

A US Radio Station played a supposedly live state to state broadcast of what was a supposedly Mott The Hoople Live Show that was the latest studio album with applause dubbed.

anythingcanhappen | 3 December 2007 - 2:05am

What audience?

I heard that even bits of the audience applause on "Live and dangerous" were lifted from elsewhere!

Twangothan | 3 December 2007 - 10:41am

The only ones on my shelves, all belters

The Ramones - It's Alive

Deep Purple - Made in Japan

Genesis - Seconds Out & 'Live'

AC/DC - If you want blood

All from the 1970s, so I guess you are right, they don't make 'em any more....

kb | 3 December 2007 - 3:51pm

Weld

Neil Young's 1991 live album with Crazy Horse, Weld - and then there's Arc, its unnecessary companion - is largely outstanding. The best versions you'll ever hear of Tonight's The Night or Cortez The Killer. Like the Springsteen live box, it does a very good job of making you feel you're actually at a concert. And it sounds bloody enormous. The worst mistake I ever made was watching it on VH1 once - it looked so small and performed by mortals.

Lucas Hare | 3 December 2007 - 7:40pm

Van the Man

For my money, the finest live album of all time is "It's Too Late To Stop Now".

Anyone unsure of the desirability of live albums needs to have this one blasted at them to dispell all doubts.

Outstanding work, Mr Van.

Vulpes Vulpes | 4 December 2007 - 2:00pm

good shout

I only heard this for the first time this year, and very good it is too. Particularly his version of I Believe To My Soul.

Paul Chandler | 5 December 2007 - 7:23pm

Joni Mitchell

Joni Mitchell's Miles of Aisles is good. Sides 1 and 4 with the funky but arid sound of Tom Scott and the LA Express and sides 2 and 3 Joni solo. Great stuff especially when after the line 'they shakes their heads and say I've changed' in Both Sides Now she shouts 'And I have' and it's a shout of triumph. Much like the way that Van Morrison shouts 'It's too late to stop now' and the Caledonia Soul Orchestra respond at the very end of the album of the same name. Interestingly enough (to me at least and I've had a long day) when he sings the same line on 'Into the Mystic' it is far more hesitant.

kirby | 4 December 2007 - 7:35pm

Neil Young & Crazy Horse -

Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Live At the Fillmore East
Released last year but recorded in 1970 :) It is available for the princely sum of 3.16 of your English pounds on iTunes right now.

Days Of Speed by Paul Weller is a pretty good recent live album as is Live Wood especially the live version of "This Is No Time".

Karma To Burn by The Waterboys is also pretty splendid.

The best ones IMHO are Live & Dangerous, PNYC & It's Too Late Too Stop Now.

GunsOfBrixton | 4 December 2007 - 10:53pm

Ladies and Gentlemen...The Allman Brothers Band

Cant believe we've got to 32 responses without a reference to Live at the Fillmore East. This, coupled with (and I hesitate to mention this) Live Dead, were absolutely required listening in their time.

Could it be that more recent bands cant cut it live?

Not sure whats to be gained by a live recording of someone lipsynching after all.

On the live recording front, and cutting across from the Clapton debate elsewhere, the live version of Crossroads, especially Eric's second solo, is something I never tire of.

doctor.nacko | 5 December 2007 - 12:44am

Live

Can't believe we've come this far without somebody recommending "Rockin; The Fillmore" by Humble Pie. Peter Frampton and of course, the inimitable Steve Marriot. It's a double with only seven tracks, two of which burst the 15-minute mark, naemly a rambling version of Muddy Water's "Rolling Stone" and a 20-minute renditioon of Dr John's "Walk On Gilded Splinters". It was the album of choice in the common room during my sixth-form days in Colchester, at The Gilberd School. As for definitive live songs, Tom Waits' "Jersey Girl" by Springsteen really takes the biscuit.

andy gallant | 5 December 2007 - 10:51am

Censored

it even has a word (presumably rude) beeped IIRC

James Blast | 5 December 2007 - 5:11pm

Live PS

PS Another staple in my sixth form days was "Live In Europe" by the brilliant Rory Gallagher.

andy gallant | 5 December 2007 - 2:45pm

Gosh, yes!

Thanks for reminding me, I'll be searching out my old Rory stuff when I get home tonight...

Saw him play a couple of times, always top value. Came on stage full of energy, stripped off several layers of lumberjack shirt tartan as the evening progressed, like a sweaty Russian doll, and gave that old strat a good hammering.

"Live In Europe" gets my vote too.

Vulpes Vulpes | 5 December 2007 - 4:57pm

And mine.

Although it was the album that made me want -- no, need -- to buy a guitar, so it would, wouldn't it?

Of all the whole clutch of very good reasons to regret almost everything committed in the name of punkery and the sneering and self-important new-wavitude that it ushered in, the clincher for me is that Rory Gallagher got so unjustly caught up in the bristles of the new broom. He went from being the only one who counted to being shoved aside by the likes of the Only Ones in five minutes, and his career was effectively over when he was still a young man. (Ironically, Rory was several years younger than Joe Strummer, while Hugh Cornwell could have been his dad, for cry'noutloud.) Barely five years after being voted Melody Maker musician of the year -- yes, he beat God into second place -- he was discarded without a second thought and forgotten without remorse.

I should confess at this point that I, too, went with the flow and abandoned him to his fate when the two sevens clashed. His disappearance from my musical radar was so complete that I didn't even recognise him ten years later when he apologised for spilling a slosh of beer on my arm at a Fabulous Thunderbirds gig. Quite understandably, given what had happened to him, he looked like Bernard Manning in a leather jacket. I doubt Jimmy Vaughan knew he was there -- if he'd even heard of him, that is.

As for Live in Europe -- phew, we're back on topic at last -- "Messin' with the Kid" remains to this day my favourite electric-guitar performance in the history of recorded ever.

To paraphrase Clinton's speechwriters, "It was the tone, stoopid!"

Archie Valparaiso | 12 December 2007 - 1:10pm

Couldn't agree more

Yes he was my hero back in the day - never gave less that 120%, and boy he could play - always musical, never self indulgent, and humble to a fault. When I heard he'd died, late evening, I dug out "Irish Tour 74" (another great live album), poured a large glass of the good stuff and shed a quiet manly tear in tribute to the great man. "Nice one Rory" indeed.

Twangothan | 14 December 2007 - 10:36am

By heck!

Either listen to, or download this Decemberists gig and wonder why it hasn't been an official realease - awesome does not even come close to describing it.

http://www.archive.org/details/decemberists2007-02-03.dpa4061.flac16

Spoodledude | 5 December 2007 - 7:37pm

The Doctor

All these entries, and nobody has yet come up with the correct answer. That answer is, of course, Stupidity by the mighty Doctor Feelgood. An album which catches a hungry band at the peak of its powers.

count jim moriarty | 6 December 2007 - 12:38am

A big stack o live concerts are available to stream here

A big stack o live concerts recorded for radio are available to stream here

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/

and there's plenty of sites that host downloadable versions of bootlegs in shn or ogg format. A lot better than shlepping round town halls buying overpriced, badly recorded bootleg tapes (i could never afford the CDs) as I did throughout my teenage years.

simonperrins | 6 December 2007 - 2:26pm

Some more live lovelys

Gotta agree with my man vulpes vulpes Van's 'Too Late ...' is , as mentioned before on a previous thread, just sublime; as is Richie Haven's 'Live at the Cellar Door'- a genuine artist and possibly one of the greatest interpreters of others works. 'Weld' much better than 'Live Rust' but all these are ancient in real terms.
I think i would agree that 'Kicking Television' is possibly the best of very few recent releases.
However i think i heard that a new idea is sweeping the past away and stealing the fire of the bootleggers, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Crowded House start a scheme where punters could purchase a copy of the gig they were attending by pre paying and then a cd was sent on after the gig?
This must be the way to go

hargarino | 6 December 2007 - 6:22pm

Wilco - Kicking Television

This was a good recent live album - slightly spoiled by the hometown (Chicago)crowd's need to whoop and holler during every quiet bit.

David Live is good - so is Too Late To Stop Now.

Formbyman | 6 December 2007 - 10:21pm

Wilco

I had scrolled down to see if anyone would mention this, so may I wholeheartedly second your proposal. A great live album.

KevinO | 21 December 2007 - 4:18pm

Neil Young Unplugged

To this day, I remember David Hepworth's review in Q about the guy that chose to whoop in the middle of The Needle And The Damage Done: "Such is the strength of this set, his shame will pursue him for years to come" or something along those lines.

Lucas Hare | 6 December 2007 - 10:32pm

Bruce

I saw him play solo (Tom Joad Tour) at the Manchester Apollo (mid 90s?) and I'm sure he said he didn't want anyone shouting during the songs - and being a respectful British audience we did exactly what the boss wanted.

Formbyman | 6 December 2007 - 10:43pm

In London

At the Albert Hall, he said "This is the part where I respectfully ask you all to shut the fuck up" or something pretty similar. And, as you say, we did.

Lucas Hare | 6 December 2007 - 10:52pm

At Lambchop gigs

There were posters saying 'SHHHH Lambchop at work' and also at Neil Young's on the solo Greendale flyers on the seats respectfully requesting silence. They weren't needed -you could have heard a pin drop - opening with 10 brand new songs - genius and balls.

hargarino | 6 December 2007 - 11:57pm

Hesitant though I am...

...to raise my head above the parapet with the name Van Der Graaf Generator, their live album 'Real Time' (recorded at the reunion gig at the RFH in 2005 but released this year) is very fine. And you can almost see me in the audience shot on the front cover which clearly adds value.

Of course, you could say the VDGG are as archetypal a 70s band as any mentioned above...

stevelake | 7 December 2007 - 12:25pm

Vital!

I was fortunate to see them when they came to Glasgow on that tour and they really were flippin' brilliant and I saw them 'back in the day' at the (famous) Glasgow Apollo on the Godbluff tour, it was a depressing experience. They also managed a double by scoring with a quite brilliant comeback album in Present, if you ignore the sax player's noodle~athon that is the 2nd disc.

James Blast | 7 December 2007 - 7:35pm

A much maligned art form - possibly

I have always thought that those critics who get on their hobby horses about how "lame, superfluous and exploitative" live albums are, are just showing themselves to be enormous tossers. Lots of live albums are lamentable rubbish, of course, but then again, lots of albums are, full stop. But great live albums do exist. The acid test is simply that you mourn the fact that you weren't there. Yes, I know that most live albums are post facto constructions, but big deal. Art is not truth.

Many of the great ones have already been noted above.

- ACDC - "If you want blood",
- Allman Bros "Live at Fillmore East" (the revised Tom Dowd version, incidentally, is an absolute masterpiece of editing, and exceeds the quality of the original in every way)
- Neil Young "Live Rust" and "Weld"

but here are some hidden treasures that tend to get overlooked.

- Golden Earring - "Naked 1 & 2," "Something Heavy Going Down"
- Warren Zevon "Stand In The Fire"
- Van Morrison "One Night in San Francisco"
- Rolling Stones "No Security"
- Magazine "Play"

And don't even get me going on jazz or DVD performances.

brutus_odowd | 9 December 2007 - 1:45pm

Some of my favourite albums are live

The best Burritos album is "Last Of The Red Hot Burritos", which is live.

David Hepworth | 9 December 2007 - 1:56pm

On the subject of Neil Young

The special edition of Greendale has a DVD of one of the acoustic shows, which is quite frankly brilliant, if not only for Mr. Young's incessant ramblings about the fictitious Green family.

The Abbatoir Blues Tour DVD comes with two CD's of Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds that are well worth a listen.

Oh, and Live Rust is incredible.

space_machine | 12 December 2007 - 6:47pm

Having had the misfortune to

Having had the misfortune to buy a £50 ticket for what turned out to be the Greendale tour, I can assure space_machine that Mr Young's incessant ramblings were not a good substitute for him actually playing some ****ing songs. We got almost 2 hours of the utterly dismal and artistically bankrupt Greendale and about 5 greatest hits. I was not happy then and am still cross about it 4 years later and won't pay £75 for next Spring's tour in case he decides to treat his audience with the same contempt as he did then. The ****.

NeilJung | 19 December 2007 - 11:54am

That said..

..when you go to see Neil Young live, you've got to be prepared for him to be a record or two ahead of his label and just bamboozle you with unheard material. The "Tonight's The Night" HORA on the Podcast is a perfect example.

For the record, I think Greendale is bloody brilliant, but it's a shame you found it disappointing. I'd hate not only paying that much, but also the build up and excitment coming to nothing if I didn't enjoy the show.

I've not seen him live yet but I'm booked in for the upcoming tour.

kidpresentable | 22 December 2007 - 1:26am

Feat

Actually I've had many years of pleasure from "Waiting for Columbus" by Little Feat - in fact the first music my newly born son heard was the live version of "Willin'", one of the most life affirming songs. Mind you, there is tons of good live Feat around now, and maybe it wasn't the best show with Lowell as bootlegs from the era suggest, but that original live one on vinyl still does it for me.

Twangothan | 14 December 2007 - 10:39am

Can't even think of a "new" artist that would consider a live LP

Jesse Malin's semi official "Messed Up Here Tonight" is a good 'un.....complete with The Boss completely hitting the wrong chord at the start of "Wendy"!

Dylan's Rolling Thunder Bootleg is absolutely brilliant; the skits, the between song banter, the whole package...

Still perplexed that the Manics have never stuck out a live album. I'd pay good money for an official copy of the Christmas '94 gig at the Astoria....

PS - First time poster, long time listener....

Nodge1970 | 24 December 2007 - 12:39pm