What did local ITV ever do for us?
Now that running ITV is no longer like being in a bank vault with a shovel, the authorities are freeing them from a lot of their obligations to do local news and current affairs. As a Londoner I shan't be awfully bothered if I lose that rather clanky local bulletin that comes after the national news. However, before it's all swept away for good, we should tip the hat to local independent television's role in giving a TV debut to people who eventually went outernational. The Beatles made their first TV appearances on Granada TV's "People and Places". Fifteen years later, from the same studios, local reporter Tony Wilson was giving a TV debut to the Sex Pistols among many others. And it was their appearance on Thames Television's "Today" programme that catapulted them into the headlines. These early appearances were crucial in convincing the rather more foot-dragging national media to take a chance on them. Anyone else seen a legend between the have-a-go heroes and beauty queens of local telly?
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HTV in Wales
never produced anything that was ever remotely interesting. I would personally press the detonator on the two grinning waxworks who present 'Wales Tonight' and who ask us 'for our thoughts' about the new refuse collection rota in Gilfach Goch.
Granadaland: Cradle of the Stars
Tony Wilson wasn't the only apprentice of the Obi-Wan Kenobi of the North West, Bob Greaves. So was Anna Ford.
Which one makes you feel a bit strange?
Tip: Skip the first one minute as it's introduction cobblers.
And the idents finish at 3.40.
My favourites:
Anglia
Thames
LWT
Thanks for that
But why do I know the HTV one so well? I've hardly spent any time in Wales.
Whichever ITV company produced the programme it had their
ident at the start and then if and when the programme got distributed around the country their ident stayed.
So you may well have seen a few HTV produced programmes in your time Lucas.
I think that's how it worked anyway.
Yes
I'm sure that's right. An impossible request, but anyone know of a (probably children's) TV programme in the late '70s that may have carried this ident?
Robin of Sherwood?
HTV also did "Children Of The Stones" which has been mentioned
recently here.
Quite
possibly...
I will always remember Gerry Harrison from the Anglia region
(my region) who commentated on the local football years ago and may well have spread his talents further I don't know.
Has anyone else heard of him?
Anyway there would always be a terrible game of football between Norwich City and Stoke or someone on a Sunday afternoon.
I would have my roast dinner on my lap (we were classy in my house ok?) and watch the match.
For some reason there was always a blinding sunlight on the pitch that made it look like the local park.
And the players possessed absolutley no skill whatsoever. They used to just bang the ball about and run around and fallover and do that thing where they keep heading the ball back to each other in midfield from the goalkick.
But Gerry must have had something going on because I remember him to this day.
It's the name
Gerry Anderson, George Harrison - you were making what James Burke would have called A Connection. Either that or you share my inexplicable fascination with Gerald Sinstadt.
Match of the Week
Who with an upbringing in the Anglia region could forget Gerry Harrison, God of televised football? The Beeb may have had Match of the Day, and LWT The Big Match, but we had Match of the Week. And, to be fair, the football wasn't always as bad as you remember, Scottie. After all, every other week Ipswich were on ;-). (I'm happy to be living in Norwich, but Suffolk born and bred.)
NB Has anyone out there noticed the similarity between Anglia's toe-curlingly dreadful Kevin Piper and Alan Partridge?
Yes...
Kevin Piper is awful. Though I'd happily endure him if it meant we got live regional football on a Sunday afternoon again.
Oh, and you beat me to it with the awful football/N***ich City comment :-)
You're right Nigel, it wasn't all bad.....
I'm guessing here
(since I can't stream videos at work), but by any chance is that (and if it isn't, could someone find it?) a clip of the Robert Ullathorne OG from Ipswich v Norwich in 1996?
That was in fact the wonder goal scored by Justin Fashanu
for Norwich against Liverpool in 1980.
I have searched youtube for your request with no luck I'm afraid.
Not all bad...
but that was from MOTD, writes a pedant. Great goal, though, and reminds me of the sad end of poor Justin F.
Time Machine
Brilliantly described Scottie, took me back.
In the Midlands we had "Star Soccer" with commentater Hugh Johns.
I remember at the end of the show they showed clips from the other regions.
Granada- Gerald Sinstadt
Yorkshire- Keith Macklin
London- Brian Moore
We had Tyne-Tees highlights too but Can't remember the bloke's name.
Westward and Southern i have no idea. Anyone remember ?
Justin Rose...
...playing a round of golf with my Dad, when Rose was a 15 year old prodigy. Maybe not yet a legend, but might well be soon.
Granada
Did a series of bands playing before a studio audience in the 70's. I got a free ticket to see Argent. My first lig! I also watched a recording of 3-2-1 and N.U.T.S. + had a part of an extra in In Loving Memory at YTV.
Wierdest one was the YTV Pop Quiz hosted by Mike Read. They filmed a disco scene for a Christmas special and asked questions of guests like Jonathan King, Wreckless Eric, John Cooper Clarke, Les Gray from Mud, etc, but YTV engineers went out on strike halfway through and it never got shown. Or was it just a very bad dream..?
local shows for local people
Not a great loss as DH says for Londoners bland local news and the odd history programme hosted by suggs seems to be the limit of their output.
Two: Highlights
Tiswas was like punk for 6 years olds in our house it was so submersive to my eyes I used to hide behind my hands adult throwing buckets fo water, kids with the pants on their head, they had odd band on but it was vastly better than swop shop I think central made it.
The other event (on Yorkshire)was during the Mod revial in 80's I was at home during the day and for some reason they showed a Secret Affair video, (this when videos were rarely seen apart from TOTP and before domestic video recorders)
The next day i was briefly the "Ace Face" at our school as I recounted the details of this promo,even big lads from higher years came and talked to me . Sadly a week later totp had a two tone special and my brief "fame" disappered over night.
Music programmes on childrens ITV
All on Granada/ATV/LWT:
Lift Off with Ayesha
Marc (Bolan)
Supersonic
All featured major acts like Bowie and Chaka Khan/Rufus fairly regularly, probably in the coveted just-before-Magpie slot.
Fondly remembered by me (and no-one else it seems) is the band Animal Kwakkers who, dressed as animals (lead singer was Rory the lion) used to pound out their own version of glam rock classics. Glaminal rock, if you will (snort)on childrens ITV.
But, which is more, without regional LWT show Police 5, we wouldn't have been introduced to Shaw Taylor and the subsequent Crimewatch phenomenon.
Oh, and The London Weekend Show gave us Janet Street-Porter. That aside, it was a regional magazine show that opened up my suburban young eyes to punk and I think, the wonderful Danny Baker. You may scoff but DB has proved to have more staying power than Wattie or Charlie Harper.
Ayesha Brough....
Yes, I remember Lift Off With Ayesha. (Makes Homer Simpson drooling noise and goes for a lie down.)
What NO ??
Get It Together- The follow up to Lift Off, With Ayesha and Uncle Roy North
Arrows- American Glam Rock who did "I love Rock 'n' Roll "
Keep Em Peeled
Thanks Paul - a serious omission on my part
Get it Together was a central plank of childrens music telly for several years. Roy North's treatment of pop hits of the day was a highlight. For some reason, I can only remember his interpretation of Chas & Dave's "Gertcha". What has been seen, cannot be unseen - that's all I'm saying.
After the Arrows, who seemed to be a proper band, ITV invented Flintlock - a band comprised of stage school kids. Despite having their own show, and a studio full of screaming "fans", I don't remember them troubling the charts.
Uncle Roy
Oh you don`t remember his seminal version of "Splish Splash" where Roy was singing into a loofah, sat in a bath!!
I do now - "thanks".
Roy North
Could split a note like no one except Mike Yarwood in his "And this is me.." spot. Roy's version of Lay Down Sally was a highlight. Teatime being deemed too early for a song regarding horizontal activities, it was changed to 'Sit Down Sally'.
Moondogs
Nobody has mentioned the Moondogs series yet. The Undertones never really had much to worry about when they came along.
Animal Kwakkers
Jesus, I'd forgotten all about that till now.
'Rory, Rory tell us a story!'
How about 'Cloppa Castle'? Another lunchtime ITV kids surreal masterpiece.
I grew up with Tyne Tees. The progenitor of 'Razzmatazz'. For some reason Chas and Dave were always on it. Tyne Tees also refused to show Tiswas on Saturdays for some reason.
Cloppa Castle passed me by
Probably due to a scheduling clash with Scooby. Razmatazz I did frequently see - and also featured bands in a live setting. Paved the way for the Tube. Many people think it was presented by Christopher Biggins - but it wasn't, it was someone else who looked alot like him.
Quite right
Razzmatazz was presented initially by a local Tyne Tees body named Alastair something (I ought to look it up). Mildly amusing feller who always professed to be so excited he needed a lie down and an 'iron tablet'.
Biggins in fact presented 'On Safari' with Gillian Taylforth. An jungle-themed game show rendered inexplicable by his constant guffawing and the repeated catchphrase, 'Safari, so goody'.
HTV...
...they did 'Robin Of Sherwood' in the 80s which I like a lot (much better than the BBC's attempt!) but that old HTV logo I find a bit creepy, for some reason!
best robin
on Tv by far even with a clannad theme tune and ray winstone's mad dog will scarlet
Continuity Announcers..
The great Colin Weston on Granada, who at Christmas was visably pissed with his paper hat on at a jaunty angle and a "shit eating" grin all over his ruddy face. And the gorgeous Pamela Dodd who would announce the arrival of Tiswas/The Chart Show with the look of somebody cleaning up dog vomit.
One of the odd effects...
... of regional TV was the fact that the general Londoncentric-ness of popular culture was even clearer than it is now. I remember all through the 70s, living in Liverpool, seeing and hearing references to something called "Police 5" on sitcoms, sketch shows and what have you, and not having a clue what they were on about until I visited my cousin in Barnet and seeing it on ITV.
Similarly, when Pamela Stephenson started doing her Janet Street Porter impression on Not The Nine O'Clock News, nobody outside London had ever heard of JSP and had no idea what she was doing. We all assumed that JSP was some grotesque comic character that Pamela had made up.
Similarly...but in a switcheroo universe
If you lived in the greater London area, the local regional TV news was largely what had just been seen on the main news. The main news featured Robert Dougal in a brown suit whereas London regional version was the same words but read by someone cheeky with a waistcoat and a pearly cap.
I know, but. . .
even Danny Baker had to start somewhere.
Did anyone else get music
Did anyone else get music videos shown on their regional ITV between the kids shows in the 80's?
On HTV West, a weird mix of music vids were shown as filler inbetween programmes, and what a rum bunch they were. A limited selction of promos for records that had already been in and out of the charts were played repeatedly - videos by Cliff Richard, Dana, and most memorably The Damned singing I Just Can't Be Happy Today.
I also remember a colour promo for Apache by The Shadows that looked like it was shot in the 70's involving Hank and the Shads dressed up as Indians, and looning about with bows and arrows and stuff getting played a lot too.