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What are the TV programmes that shouldn't work but do?

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You probably know that one of the best things on telly is Sky Sports Soccer Saturday. Four ex-pros sit and watch football matches that you're not allowed to see and do their best to tell you what's happening while the brilliant Jeff Stelling holds it together by virtue of his encyclopaedic knowledge and the most infectious enthusiasm anywhere on the box. Bit like this:


Anyway, the point is IT REALLY SHOULDN'T WORK BUT IT DOES. The appeal of this programme is an affront to TV professionals and the things they'd like to provide us with. It doesn't need flash graphics, expensive sets, star presenters or special guests. It's perfectly gripping enough as it is. It strikes me, this can't be the only example of low expectation, high-impact TV. What else shouldn't work but does?

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One springs to mind

Harry Hill's TV Burp.

It's just a bloke replaying TV clips from the past week and making silly comments about them, but it's one of the best things on the box. He's also revived You've Been Framed IMHO

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Joe R | 26 January 2009 - 9:54am

What makes it even better ...

... is that HH as a stand-up was clearly the most off-the-wall, surreal and down-right non-commercially viable comedian on the circuit. And yet he's now a houshold name, unlike his former comedic comrades, such as ..., er, ...

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Douglas | 26 January 2009 - 9:02pm

Harry Hill's Fruit Corner

on Radio 4 was a minor work of genius

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 9:18pm

Completely agree

The Badger Parade. Need I say more?

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Thomas the Rhymer | 26 January 2009 - 9:57pm

Sorry but i just do not get

Sorry but i just do not get Harry Hill, same with Eddie Izzard who is just not funny.

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woodface | 30 January 2009 - 11:55pm

Amen!

Just do not get it.

Don't think I want it either... both of them creep me Like Out Mahn! in an huge wing collar in French.

ta

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James Blast | 31 January 2009 - 2:40am

Whilst in the US some years back...

...I caught a curious programme called (something like) 'Mystery Science Theatre' which was, basically, three blokes watching an old film and taking the mickey out of it.

A little like modern DVD commentaries I guess

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 10:09am

Mystery Science Theatre 3000

or MST3K for the nerds (or MSTies). Has more laughs in 30 secs than a whole series of yer average BBC sitcom. Although in the case of 'The Life Of Riley' and 'After You've Gone' that isn't saying much. Why it never got a late Saturday night BBC2 slot over here is (excuse the pun) a mystery.

The film version is a bit shit thou

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DogFacedBoy | 26 January 2009 - 2:46pm

MST3K

You speak of 'Mystery Science Theatre 3000', a wonderful, wonderful piece of TV. I have caused myself serious injury when watching this.

And it's one bloke and two robots.

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Con Coleman | 26 January 2009 - 2:45pm

Con...

I bet the robots had men inside them, really :-)

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 3:28pm

Stop it

you're normalising my reality

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DogFacedBoy | 26 January 2009 - 4:58pm

The Film

MST 3000. the film was wonderful.It was even better than the TV series.
not teh film but some great clips

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Sour Crout | 27 January 2009 - 10:52am

Erm nope

There are 3. I think Gypsy would be most offended that you didn't include her.

Not that I have several MST boxsets. No. Nope. No boxsets here......... *whistle*

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xmorpheus | 27 January 2009 - 11:12am

Well there are 4

if you include Cambot.

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DogFacedBoy | 29 January 2009 - 1:00pm

In Bed with Me Dinner

Someone watching obscure telly programmes and taking the piss didn't sound promising, but I think it worked well. It was presented by Bob Mills and was required viewing for a while back there. The great thing about it was the targeting of sincere people in documentaries, rather than politicians or celebrities.

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Austin | 26 January 2009 - 10:17am

Bob Mills = Piss-poor Man's Danny Baker

In Bed With MeDinner was an idea that should have worked (see the aforementioned TV Burp or TV Heaven, Telly Hell), but in the inept sausage-fingered hands of a plastic Cockney like Mills, it was always doomed to fail.

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Paolo Meccano | 26 January 2009 - 2:16pm

Respectful disagreement

I am a fan of Mr Baker too - but I think Bob Mills' comedy is quite different. For a start, Mills is more of an out-and-out stand up comedian while Baker is more in a category of his own.

In summary, I think there's enough room for both - although probably not in a telephone box, to be fair.

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Austin | 27 January 2009 - 3:47am

Sunrise Earth

It's on The Discovery Channel. Take some HD cameras, point them at something scenic, wait for the sun to rise. No narration, no musical soundtrack, no flashy editing, just nature.

This show has actually won awards.

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Fraser Lewry | 26 January 2009 - 10:26am

SE is what HD is for

Wonderful. The spatial birdsong drives my dog mad, mind.

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Graham Johns | 29 January 2009 - 11:15pm

Taggart

This has been on for ages, doesn't have the character in title, has no TV 'star' (ie Quentin, Clunes, Kemp, Robson/Jerome) and doesn't really deviate from cops v baddy crime solving format. And yet, this no frills approach is generally more entertaining than other UK cop shows.

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kb | 26 January 2009 - 11:12am

Plus it didn't falter with

Plus it didn't falter with the death of Mark McManus as well!

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Nap1st | 27 January 2009 - 12:21am

I initially read that as...

"...the death of Mick McManus" and was sitting here baffled.

It's early in the morning!

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stimpy | 27 January 2009 - 10:20am

Foul!

This is (arguably) a music magazine. All mention of Mark McManus must be prefaced by "brother of Sweet vocalist Brian Connolly" Use of the word "doomed" ahead either of "brother" or ahead of "Sweet vocalist" is optional, but largely used.

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Retropath2 | 27 January 2009 - 4:17pm

The king and queen

of shouldn't-work-but-do. Countdown with Richard & Carol. Look on YouTube for the Wankers outtake. Unfortunately all of the ones I have found have this: "embedding disabled by request".

Bastards.

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Beany | 26 January 2009 - 11:14am
stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 1:47pm

quake my arse

still doesn't play. at least not on my pc...

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ivan | 26 January 2009 - 1:55pm

Gah...

You're right... Ollocks

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 2:06pm

Doesn't play for me either, but

I think I can see where it is going... an obvious 7-letter word there.

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Skuds | 26 January 2009 - 7:31pm

In New Zealand they're so rugby-mad...

...that I saw a programme which was just about a bunch of amateur games: schools, women's, chest-freezer shaped Polynesians in parks. They also covered the pre-game and the post-game rituals. I thought it was great.

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David Hepworth | 26 January 2009 - 11:53am

Come Dine with Me

So appalling it is bloody great! Plot, find 4 ill matched individuals, 1 always gay, 1 often a local tory councillor and have them feed each other over 4 nights, with them each "judging" each other, as well as the food. Add in some suitably waspish voice-over and you have a televisual treat. Makes mastermind seem like mastermind.

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Retropath2 | 26 January 2009 - 12:28pm

Yes!

As a student, the day often doesn't feel complete without the requisite clash over the main course.

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Rob Pook | 26 January 2009 - 12:53pm

Guilty!

We know we shouldn't watch it but we can't help ourselves. Last week's episode in Preston was superb - vomiting, insults, walk outs, bitching. Plus you have the chance to have a sniff around other people's houses, denounce their taste in glassware or curtains, and say things like "Ooh what a nasty front door, I simply hate pvc". There's also the added bonus of a good recipe for smoked haddock and sweetcorn chowder or whatever.
What more could you possibly need from a tv programme?

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longtonian | 26 January 2009 - 5:58pm

It's a fair cop

having been introduced to it by the mum over Sunday dinner, I now find it unmissable and I know I shouldn't

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James Blast | 26 January 2009 - 10:43pm

Whoever does the voice over

on Come Dine With Me is a star. There are moments of pure comedy joy to be had in every episode.

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Leedsboy | 27 January 2009 - 11:26am

I always use to like Tony Robinson's

mythical stories series which was just him running around in the desert enlivening the story thesesus or similar with sheer enthusiams and talent. I'm not sure why they don't repeat them.

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Chris G | 26 January 2009 - 1:30pm

Adam and Joe

It's not TV, but Adam and Joe's podcast is a good example - two middle aged men giggling about the minutest of minutiae (hot water bottle covers for instance), but it's great.
Like Danny Baker's shows, it's a reminder to appreciate the tiniest things in life. It makes the Word podcast sound like "In Our Time".

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Nick White | 26 January 2009 - 5:35pm

Danny Baker

I remember Danny Baker doing a Friday night post pub show where he commentated on a Sunday league game, normally from Hackney Marshes. It really was great.

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Leedsboy | 26 January 2009 - 2:09pm

I remember that

BBC ought to give him his own channel to run alongside Dave. Dan.

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David Hepworth | 26 January 2009 - 2:16pm

Hart Beat / Take Hart

We were talking about the sad death of Tony Hart the other day in the boozer and it was discussed how exactly you would pitch Hart Beat these days?

A slightly camp, silver haired man wearing a cravatte shows children how to draw whilst talking to a plasticine toy called 'Morph'. He apparently lives alone in a bohemian loft space but every now and then gets interuppted by a bumbling caretaker / landlord character demanding rent and / or water for his bucket.

Not going to happen is it?

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Jamie_Bowman | 26 January 2009 - 2:28pm

Top Gear

I can't drive. Never wanted to, never will. In fact as a cyclist I absolutely hate cars. I know this is how I'm going to die; my remains churned in the wheel arches of some hideous 4 by 4.

But not only do I watch Top Gear, I tape it and watch it again. I even watch the repeats on Dave. Of course, the appeal is not the car porn, but the fact it's essentially three blokes of a certain age (journalists, notably) arguing the toss with each other.

I'm amazed no-one has thought to apply the formula to non-car topics. I'd love a music show where, say, Mark Ellen, David Hepworth and Andrew 'Hamster' Harrison were given the task of introducing a selection of the youth of today to their individual view of what prog or punk or psyche was. Points gained for favourable responses, not switching it off immediately, etc.

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Klaus Joynson | 26 January 2009 - 3:43pm

Isn't that what...

...the podcast is?

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 3:57pm

Phil & Kirstie

on Location Location - have a sort of Niles & Daphne will they won't they chemistry. Plus they are usually quite cutting about the couples with unrealistic hopes of buying a mansion in Hampstead and an apartment on Saint Jean Cap Ferrat on a £500,000 budget.

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Retro Man | 26 January 2009 - 4:00pm

yeah who would have

thought legitmising "white flight" and general class snobbery would make so successful tv. Yet to see how they fair when nobody wants to buy a house.

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Chris G | 26 January 2009 - 4:31pm

There will always be people looking to buy property...

...and the current recession means there'll be more bargains around for those who can raise the capital to do so.

I suspect the 'Location, Location-viewing' public will lose interest in the programme rather than the programme running out of material.

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 4:51pm

and of course an on screen apology

from the property "experts" for their part in profiteering and stoking of the disastrous property boom, as well as their divisive social engineering is as likely to happen as the bank chief execs apologising for their mess ups.

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Chris G | 26 January 2009 - 4:57pm

Chris... I suspect this isn't the place

to get into politics and class war. What you see as 'divisive social engineering' may be seen differently by others.

People come to this place from all sorts of social and economic backgrounds in order to have a break from reality and to talk music and related lightweight bollockry to each other.

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stimpy | 26 January 2009 - 5:33pm

fine , I just

don't think the property progammes on the whole were a "good idea" and there effect goes a little further than a bit fluff in the afternoon like countdown.

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Chris G | 26 January 2009 - 5:57pm

You soft southern shi*tes!

Not one mention of the Hitman & Her? Car crash tv at its finest!!

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Darthfarter | 26 January 2009 - 5:01pm

Jonathan Ross

It really shouldn't work as a chat show... and it doesn't. Sod it. "Shouldn't work and doesn't" wasn't the theme of this post - I'll have to think of a programme that does work.

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Mark JF | 26 January 2009 - 5:12pm

The Shopcast

Two old duffers sit around in a fake record shop (actually the cheapest set imaginable) and waffle on about old records. What a pitch that would have been! But then Messrs H & E deliver a thoroughly entertaining show and voila! (OK, not a TV show... yet?!)

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Mark JF | 26 January 2009 - 5:16pm

Life on Mars

was a crazy idea and (as Series 2 showed) a bit of one trick pony - but what a fantastic pony it was for a while.

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Mark JF | 26 January 2009 - 5:22pm

'ere - try this...

sky sport soap saturday


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ivan | 26 January 2009 - 6:01pm

Lost Works

Lost shouldn't really work, all four series have opened a massive can of worms with many subject matters and themes, such as time travel, forgiveness, redemption, religion, the afterlife etc etc etc. Cast members are killed off at a rate of knots every season and to top it all, a strange smoke monster rears its smokey head every now and again. With so many components it shouldn't work, but it does, magically and magnificently. Personally speaking, I think it is one of TV's greatest mysteries. I just hope it has a better ending (with some explantions) and not an open ended ending like Life On Mars, what a cop out that was!

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David Wright | 26 January 2009 - 8:05pm

Lost

I do love it, it's brilliantly made hokum, somehow nostalgic in reminding me of old TV series like Lost In Space, but with modern production values, and it does actually now feel like it was really thought through from the beginning - we have recently finished boxset for series 4 - albeit with some unnecessary but entertaining digressions and mystifying aspects. Always find it gripping though.

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Sven Garlic | 26 January 2009 - 8:35pm

Agreed

Yeah can't wait for season 5. I don't have Sky so it will be near the tail end of this year when I finally see it. At least with box set viewing you don't have to put up with the adverts. You're right, a lot of things begun to click into place on season four. Wonder where the Island has gone, or indeed where in time has it gone!?

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David Wright | 26 January 2009 - 9:08pm

Nicholas Crane

is turning, I think, into the possibly unsung broadcasting hero of my time. Anyone caught 'Great British Journeys' or 'Britannia'?

Technically, he's an explorer, although he only goes to places other people have already been. He goes and looks at things without really knowing what they'll be like, but because someone wrote a paragraph about them centuries ago or because they're in the right place on his map.

This should be random cheapo documentary bunkum, but instead you watch it for the sheer joy of NC himself. He can make anything fascinating (not sound fascinating, but actually be fascinating), often while simply pacing to and fro in a pub, or, on a good day, wading through a river or narrowly avoiding pitching himself A over T on a rugged hillside.

And I haven't even mentioned the iconic umbrella... Oh.

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Specs_Beard | 26 January 2009 - 9:05pm

The Labours of Hercules

On "Animal Park" yesterday, Hercules the dung beetle was off his dung. Just couldn't face any more of the stuff.
It's true - look at the listless expression on his face in this picture:

And admit it, you want to know how he is now, don't you? Well, it's still on iPlayer.

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Nick White | 26 January 2009 - 9:09pm

God bless Jeff Stelling...

and the ground he walks on.

Top man...

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Patrick Crowther | 26 January 2009 - 9:31pm

"Yes, Minister", "Marion and Geoff"

Imagine the pitch for these two excellent comedies:

"YES, MINISTER": Three middle-aged, grey-suited men discuss the inner workings of the civil service.

"MARION AND GEOFF": A minicab driver talks to a dashboard camera about his divorce. Neither Marion nor Geoff ever appear.

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Nick White | 26 January 2009 - 10:21pm

Previously on Lost

I agree that Lost just reels you in. I adore how the whole island moving thing and the potential for time travel is achieved by spooky Ben shoving a great big cartwheel round in some underground cavern. That's classy.

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SirTerence | 26 January 2009 - 10:11pm

A TV series about..

..a tiny blonde Valley-girl cheerleader, you say? Who is the chosen one to lay waste to all the creatures of the night? And her name is what?...Buffy? Well, that wouldn't catch on, surely?

Oh.

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Black Type | 26 January 2009 - 10:39pm

It's one off those things that constantly gladdens my heart

that Buffy ever got commissioned as a TV show. Consider that it was a poorly performing movie, it's a miracle that Joss Wheedon wasn't laughed right out of California, never mind LA. Intelligent, horrific, dark, laugh-out-loud, edgy, sexy and completely over the top - and that was just Spike, for Christs sakes.

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ivan | 27 January 2009 - 12:11am

Fringe

"It's The X-Files, kay? But here's the big twist: the Smoking Man's a woman with a bionic arm this time, and Skinner is that expressionless lieutenant from The Wire, and - you're rilly gonna love this - he's, er, still expressionless. Oh, and the mystery of Mulder's is-she-really-dead sister? Well, now it's the mystery of Dunham's is-he-really-dead boyfriend. Isn't that amazing?"

Well, I'm hooked.

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Archie Valparaiso | 27 January 2009 - 10:11am

Agreed

It does feel like a por man's X-Files but it is very enjoyable.
Anyone see Tim Roth hamming it up in "Lie to Me " ?. Basically"The Mentalist" with Tim Roth.

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Sour Crout | 27 January 2009 - 10:57am

Watercolour Challenge

It's not on anymore, sadly, but Hannah Gordon presiding over a bunch of amateur artists as they attempt to capture the many shades of green in the trees outside Durham Cathedral all in a half hour was captivating, restful and compulsive.

Bring it back.

The same goes for Boot Sale Challenge.

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Five-Centres | 27 January 2009 - 12:41pm

Indoor League Anyone??

Indoor League - circa mid 70s. Pub Games played my a myriad of Northern chaps, made into a television show. Sort of like a poor man's Bullseye....and that'saying something. If memory serves, I think Fred Trueman hosted. Superb!

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Richard Eyre | 27 January 2009 - 2:17pm

Shoovehpneh!


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Archie Valparaiso | 27 January 2009 - 2:21pm

Indoor League with Fred Trueman

"Na'then; just slipped out for a minute from the biggest bonanza of sporting events ah've ever clapped eyes on." Really, Fred? Really?

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Nick White | 27 January 2009 - 2:23pm

This is worth it for the home knit Leeds United cardigan


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Leedsboy | 27 January 2009 - 2:44pm

Coast

Not sure if it shouldn't work, although natural history on TV never really grabs me, but it does. Maybe it's because I grew up on the Fylde Coast, which is no kind of coast at all really. It's a shame they've run out.

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Prestonia | 1 February 2009 - 9:48am
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