'What A Waste' as the great Ian Dury once said.
I am referring to talented artists either pissing it away or choosing totally inappropriate platforms for their genius.
Johnny Marr immediately springs to mind.
Since The Smiths he has basically been a gun for hire.
Bryan ferry?
Talking Heads?
Had a stint in The The which was probably his most productive and creative period.
The man belongs in a band (and not The Healers. Sorry Johnny).
I suppose he belongs in The Smiths and so does Morrissey.
A waste of a prodigious talent maybe?
Any other candidates for this unfortunate of categories?
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Maybe it's down to chemistry...
It's a good Post, I agree with you about Johnny Marr, I saw Modest Mouse with Johnny Marr live last year at the Connect Festival, and I did think what the f*** is he doing with this lot!? I mean, their music just doesn't play to his strengths at all.
But it often seems to happen, a creative songwriting partnership or strong band line-up that just can't function individually.
Bernard Butler is a great guitarist going down the Johnny Marr route - then think about Brett Anderson's solo stuff, hmmm maybe better not to!
Strummer/Jones: Mick did alright with Big Audio Dynamite for a while but Joe struggled mightily to produce any worthwhile solo material - ironically the best was probably just before he died.
Jagger/Richards: Anybody got anything remotely complimentary to say about any of their solo stuff?
Pete Townsend: Without the classic Who line-up has not produced any decent stuff since "Who By Numbers".
Ray Davies: Again, has never anywhere near matched the classic Kinks material with his solo output.
Saw Modest Mouse
Last year with Johnny Marr and I actually thought he'd rediscovered his muse. Really enjoyed them. And bought 2 of their records on the back of it.
Keef
Talk is Cheap is better than any Stones album since Some Girls. It's got a wide variety of musical styles, and it sounds like some people playing in a small room. Keith's voice is a marmite thing, I'll grant, but it's a fabulous record. And 'You Don't Move Me' is a belter of a song.
Pete Townshend...
sorry mate, but I vehemently disagree with regards the beak-nosed 'Oo guitarist. Both 'Empty Glass' and 'All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes' are brave, interesting, wonderful records which still sound really fresh today.
Scottie, he is in a band
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_Mouse
And that's his guitar on the "big" hit single "Dashboard" last year. I loved it.
Have you read the September edition yet?
There is a whole article on this subject, which suggests (and I agree) that Messrs Marr, Butler etc are doing quite nicely thank you.
John Squire
amazingly inventive guitar player. Has now hung up his guitar for good to concentrate on art. I saw an interview with him on the culture show a few months ago. The guy is practically a recluse. Incredibly shy and soft spoken, extremely intelligent, absolutely will not discuss his time in the roses. I guess he just decided that a life in music wasn't for him, which is fair enough.
Jimmy Page...
has done practically nothing of note since the demise of Led Zeppelin. But he has an excuse, as in "How the hell do I follow that?"
Are you seriously suggesting
that The Firm were not one of Rocks greatest bands........!
I saw The Firm at Hammersmith Odeon...
it was a deeply depressing experience... but made notable by the fact that as I left the venue before the end of the gig, I found myself just behind Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck. Beck said something like "Fuckin' ell that was shit" to Clapton and I found myself nodding in agreement...
That's a bit harsh on "The Firm"...
...to be fair that "Star Trekkin" song was a cracker!
Grabs coat and runs for it!
"Fuckin' ell that was shit"
Classic. That just cracked me up. You should have slapped them on the back and said something like "now lads, what about your recently recorded shit". And run away. As you would!
With Clapton...
I could have done just that... with Beck I was more likely to have fallen to my knees in a pre-'Wayne's Word' "We're not worthy!" moment...
Beck, for me, is the finest guitar player still in possession of mortal coil.
This did not bode well...
The Firm...
...yeah, not great. I have the debut and it's ironic that the best thing on it was an old Zeppelin outtake! Robert Plant's solo career has been almost uniformly excellent though, in my opinion.
As for Johnny Marr, a friend of mine went to see The Cribs earlier in the year and he guested with them- after the gig this friend met him, apparently he was a nice bloke. I watched that BBC4 Bert Jansch gig last week and he turned up on that too.
Robert Plant solo career
Always struck me as being very musicianly; music made without any interest in a straight-forward audience who just want something that rocks out a bit. Fussy, complex, up-itself and dull. And he's a terrible lyrics writer. Plant without a great loud rock band (ie. Led Zeppelin) backing him up is my idea of music hell. Having said that, I haven't heard much beyond maybe two songs.
Mighty Re-arranger was considered to be a great album and Classic Rock gave away a song on a CD. One of the most boring, self satisfied songs I've ever heard.
Plant/Krauss: More boring, even, than Led Zeppelin
The Robert Plant/Alison Krauss collaboration seems to be more or less universally acclaimed as a Very Great Thing. It is not. It is a deeply boring album. Somebody somewhere has to agree with me on this?
I haven't heard it...
...but I know someone who's wife plays it all the time. He complained that it's amazingly irritating as Plant's voice goes low to meet her voice while Krauss goes high to meet his voice. He hates it.
I started the music video to, I think, "Write Me A Letter". Switched off after 30 seconds. Slow and boring.
Me
Very overrated. Just 3 or 4 good tracks, the rest (10 or so) all deeply dull.
Mighty Rearranger...
...I bought it the day it came out when I heard 'Takamba' in HMV, it's a great album indeed. If you get the chance to check it out, give it a listen- that and 'Fate Of Nations' are the two albums I would recommend for Zeppelin fans. Some of his 80s albums are let down a bit by the dodgy production values of the time, but there's still some good material on those as well.
The misstep in his career in recent times for me was actually that Page/Plant album 'Walking Into Clarksville' which I find murky and slightly disappointing- certainly not comparable quality-wise to any album Zeppelin ever put out in my opinion. 'No Quarter', where they rearranged old Zeppelin tunes with a- sorry- 'world music' slant and wrote a few good new ones, stands up much better to me.
Jimmy Page has simply not got away from the shadow of Led Zeppelin with his solo endeavours. Not a bad place to be in, granted, but you'd think it would have been him that had the most to offer in a solo context- apparently not. John Paul Jones' album 'The Thunderthief' (released on King Crimson's label) I do like, though.
Agreed
Mighty Rearranger is really, really good. (I bought it in HMV, too. I remember this only because - totally off-topic -while I was in there doing so, they played Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani followed by Peek-a-boo by Souxsie followed by My Doorbell by The White Stripes. Whoever came up with that segue deserves a very large medal).
Randy Newman
Sold his soul to Disney. I love him to bits, but I do wish he'd stepped off the Disney gravy train a couple more times to make a few more proper records.
Waste?
Make one great record. Piss off out of it because you think the whole thing’s a load of baloney. A waste? Perhaps, but the follow-ups would have always been disappointing.
Two and a half minutes;
hook you could hang a whale from; ambiguous lyric (girl or drug?); achingly lovely. The perfect pop single?
I propose
Lee Mavers for one of those Lifetime Achievement Awards.
Most people stick around making lousy records that you have to pretend to be interested in.
Lee just made one great album then buggered off. Hats off. A great pop gesture. (Even though it involved heroin and Everton FC).
Hear hear
A great record followed up by a noble (and heroically grumpy) gesture. More pop singers should be forced, preferably at gunpoint, to follow suit. We'd all benefit from a lot less pop music in general.
The problem is that
The problem is that virtually nobody can follow up a ground-breaking band. It's probably a more interesting question to consider who has genuinely managed it. In the case of (yawn) The Beatles I am not so sure that any of their post 1969 releases actually stand up particularly well - Disc 3 of All Things Must Pass anyone? The Plastic Ono Band album is critically well regarded and it certainly is a statement of artistic intent but I never really enjoy listening to it. So while some people might have achieved something in the aftermath of a middling band, those who go through the trauma of innovation and celebration have only one shot in the locker. So, I think Johnny is well and truly done.
Post beatles stuff
But think what sort of an album they would have come up with if all the best songs that John, Paul and George wrote post Beatles had been on one album.
Its possible that some of McCartney's syrupy pieces could have been toughened up with some John influence (and vice versa).
It doesnt spoil the point, which I agree with. It does however indicate the problem with the breakup of bands with more than one writer. The solo work is bound to be a little disappointing.