'What A Waste' as the great Ian Dury once said.

I am referring to talented artists either pissing it away or choosing totally inappropriate platforms for their genius.

Johnny Marr immediately springs to mind.
Since The Smiths he has basically been a gun for hire.
Bryan ferry?
Talking Heads?
Had a stint in The The which was probably his most productive and creative period.
The man belongs in a band (and not The Healers. Sorry Johnny).
I suppose he belongs in The Smiths and so does Morrissey.

A waste of a prodigious talent maybe?
Any other candidates for this unfortunate of categories?

Maybe it's down to chemistry...

It's a good Post, I agree with you about Johnny Marr, I saw Modest Mouse with Johnny Marr live last year at the Connect Festival, and I did think what the f*** is he doing with this lot!? I mean, their music just doesn't play to his strengths at all.

But it often seems to happen, a creative songwriting partnership or strong band line-up that just can't function individually.

Bernard Butler is a great guitarist going down the Johnny Marr route - then think about Brett Anderson's solo stuff, hmmm maybe better not to!

Strummer/Jones: Mick did alright with Big Audio Dynamite for a while but Joe struggled mightily to produce any worthwhile solo material - ironically the best was probably just before he died.

Jagger/Richards: Anybody got anything remotely complimentary to say about any of their solo stuff?

Pete Townsend: Without the classic Who line-up has not produced any decent stuff since "Who By Numbers".

Ray Davies: Again, has never anywhere near matched the classic Kinks material with his solo output.

Retro Man | 12 August 2008 - 10:09am

Saw Modest Mouse

Last year with Johnny Marr and I actually thought he'd rediscovered his muse. Really enjoyed them. And bought 2 of their records on the back of it.

Springer Bell | 12 August 2008 - 11:41am

Keef

Talk is Cheap is better than any Stones album since Some Girls. It's got a wide variety of musical styles, and it sounds like some people playing in a small room. Keith's voice is a marmite thing, I'll grant, but it's a fabulous record. And 'You Don't Move Me' is a belter of a song.

Jon | 12 August 2008 - 11:28am

Pete Townshend...

sorry mate, but I vehemently disagree with regards the beak-nosed 'Oo guitarist. Both 'Empty Glass' and 'All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes' are brave, interesting, wonderful records which still sound really fresh today.

Patrick Crowther | 12 August 2008 - 11:38am

Scottie, he is in a band

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_Mouse

And that's his guitar on the "big" hit single "Dashboard" last year. I loved it.


Springer Bell | 12 August 2008 - 10:09am

Have you read the September edition yet?

There is a whole article on this subject, which suggests (and I agree) that Messrs Marr, Butler etc are doing quite nicely thank you.

The Amorous Hum... | 12 August 2008 - 10:30am

John Squire

amazingly inventive guitar player. Has now hung up his guitar for good to concentrate on art. I saw an interview with him on the culture show a few months ago. The guy is practically a recluse. Incredibly shy and soft spoken, extremely intelligent, absolutely will not discuss his time in the roses. I guess he just decided that a life in music wasn't for him, which is fair enough.

Futurenoir | 12 August 2008 - 10:32am

Jimmy Page...

has done practically nothing of note since the demise of Led Zeppelin. But he has an excuse, as in "How the hell do I follow that?"

Patrick Crowther | 12 August 2008 - 11:00am

Are you seriously suggesting

that The Firm were not one of Rocks greatest bands........!

Springer Bell | 12 August 2008 - 11:43am

I saw The Firm at Hammersmith Odeon...

it was a deeply depressing experience... but made notable by the fact that as I left the venue before the end of the gig, I found myself just behind Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck. Beck said something like "Fuckin' ell that was shit" to Clapton and I found myself nodding in agreement...

Patrick Crowther | 12 August 2008 - 11:51am

That's a bit harsh on "The Firm"...

...to be fair that "Star Trekkin" song was a cracker!

Grabs coat and runs for it!

Trevor_Raggatt | 12 August 2008 - 12:29pm

"Fuckin' ell that was shit"

Classic. That just cracked me up. You should have slapped them on the back and said something like "now lads, what about your recently recorded shit". And run away. As you would!

Springer Bell | 12 August 2008 - 4:01pm

With Clapton...

I could have done just that... with Beck I was more likely to have fallen to my knees in a pre-'Wayne's Word' "We're not worthy!" moment...

Beck, for me, is the finest guitar player still in possession of mortal coil.

Patrick Crowther | 12 August 2008 - 7:33pm
Patrick Crowther | 12 August 2008 - 7:48pm

The Firm...

...yeah, not great. I have the debut and it's ironic that the best thing on it was an old Zeppelin outtake! Robert Plant's solo career has been almost uniformly excellent though, in my opinion.

As for Johnny Marr, a friend of mine went to see The Cribs earlier in the year and he guested with them- after the gig this friend met him, apparently he was a nice bloke. I watched that BBC4 Bert Jansch gig last week and he turned up on that too.

JJ | 12 August 2008 - 1:12pm

Robert Plant solo career

Always struck me as being very musicianly; music made without any interest in a straight-forward audience who just want something that rocks out a bit. Fussy, complex, up-itself and dull. And he's a terrible lyrics writer. Plant without a great loud rock band (ie. Led Zeppelin) backing him up is my idea of music hell. Having said that, I haven't heard much beyond maybe two songs.

Mighty Re-arranger was considered to be a great album and Classic Rock gave away a song on a CD. One of the most boring, self satisfied songs I've ever heard.

LOUDspeaker | 12 August 2008 - 2:19pm

Plant/Krauss: More boring, even, than Led Zeppelin

The Robert Plant/Alison Krauss collaboration seems to be more or less universally acclaimed as a Very Great Thing. It is not. It is a deeply boring album. Somebody somewhere has to agree with me on this?

Herman Kortado | 13 August 2008 - 11:56am

I haven't heard it...

...but I know someone who's wife plays it all the time. He complained that it's amazingly irritating as Plant's voice goes low to meet her voice while Krauss goes high to meet his voice. He hates it.

I started the music video to, I think, "Write Me A Letter". Switched off after 30 seconds. Slow and boring.

LOUDspeaker | 13 August 2008 - 1:24pm

Me

Very overrated. Just 3 or 4 good tracks, the rest (10 or so) all deeply dull.

kb | 18 August 2008 - 1:53pm

Mighty Rearranger...

...I bought it the day it came out when I heard 'Takamba' in HMV, it's a great album indeed. If you get the chance to check it out, give it a listen- that and 'Fate Of Nations' are the two albums I would recommend for Zeppelin fans. Some of his 80s albums are let down a bit by the dodgy production values of the time, but there's still some good material on those as well.

The misstep in his career in recent times for me was actually that Page/Plant album 'Walking Into Clarksville' which I find murky and slightly disappointing- certainly not comparable quality-wise to any album Zeppelin ever put out in my opinion. 'No Quarter', where they rearranged old Zeppelin tunes with a- sorry- 'world music' slant and wrote a few good new ones, stands up much better to me.

Jimmy Page has simply not got away from the shadow of Led Zeppelin with his solo endeavours. Not a bad place to be in, granted, but you'd think it would have been him that had the most to offer in a solo context- apparently not. John Paul Jones' album 'The Thunderthief' (released on King Crimson's label) I do like, though.

JJ | 12 August 2008 - 2:52pm

Agreed

Mighty Rearranger is really, really good. (I bought it in HMV, too. I remember this only because - totally off-topic -while I was in there doing so, they played Hollaback Girl by Gwen Stefani followed by Peek-a-boo by Souxsie followed by My Doorbell by The White Stripes. Whoever came up with that segue deserves a very large medal).

Graham Johns | 13 August 2008 - 6:47pm

Randy Newman

Sold his soul to Disney. I love him to bits, but I do wish he'd stepped off the Disney gravy train a couple more times to make a few more proper records.

Simon Ford | 12 August 2008 - 5:02pm

Waste?


Make one great record. Piss off out of it because you think the whole thing’s a load of baloney. A waste? Perhaps, but the follow-ups would have always been disappointing.

Richard Lowe | 12 August 2008 - 7:19pm

Two and a half minutes;

hook you could hang a whale from; ambiguous lyric (girl or drug?); achingly lovely. The perfect pop single?

nigelthebald | 12 August 2008 - 7:38pm

I propose

Lee Mavers for one of those Lifetime Achievement Awards.
Most people stick around making lousy records that you have to pretend to be interested in.
Lee just made one great album then buggered off. Hats off. A great pop gesture. (Even though it involved heroin and Everton FC).

Richard Lowe | 12 August 2008 - 7:53pm

Hear hear

A great record followed up by a noble (and heroically grumpy) gesture. More pop singers should be forced, preferably at gunpoint, to follow suit. We'd all benefit from a lot less pop music in general.

man.of.soup | 14 August 2008 - 10:25pm

The problem is that

The problem is that virtually nobody can follow up a ground-breaking band. It's probably a more interesting question to consider who has genuinely managed it. In the case of (yawn) The Beatles I am not so sure that any of their post 1969 releases actually stand up particularly well - Disc 3 of All Things Must Pass anyone? The Plastic Ono Band album is critically well regarded and it certainly is a statement of artistic intent but I never really enjoy listening to it. So while some people might have achieved something in the aftermath of a middling band, those who go through the trauma of innovation and celebration have only one shot in the locker. So, I think Johnny is well and truly done.

everygoodboydes... | 14 August 2008 - 7:14am

Post beatles stuff

But think what sort of an album they would have come up with if all the best songs that John, Paul and George wrote post Beatles had been on one album.

Its possible that some of McCartney's syrupy pieces could have been toughened up with some John influence (and vice versa).

It doesnt spoil the point, which I agree with. It does however indicate the problem with the breakup of bands with more than one writer. The solo work is bound to be a little disappointing.

doctor.nacko | 18 August 2008 - 2:04pm