West Wing bargain
Hope this sort of post is permitted but in case anyone is interested HMV have lowered the price of the Complete West Wing box set to just £49.99. That's just £7.14 a season or around 32p per episode! For those, like me, who've already seen it but would happily watch it all over again that's quite a bargain.
For those who've never seen it, I'm sure there are many here who would highly recommend it in the brief moments when they're not praising the Wire.
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My ten cents
For me, The West Wing always reminded me of the series M*A*S*H: at its best, it proved its intelligence with dialogue and dry humour so quick-witted so that if you missed it, tough; but, at its worst, it couldn't resist saccharine, arrogantly unquestioning patriotism - all that "leader of the free world" nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as The Sopranos, Six Feet Under or that thing by David Simon, as it's now known.
In fact - slight tangent - doesn't it annoy you when some people refer to generic great American television of the last decade, and they reel off a random selection like The Sopranos, The West Wing and 24, as if they were all of an equal standard? The spectrum of quality even between just those three programmes is enormous. It's like saying, "I love music from the 1970s: Abba, The Eagles, the Sex Pistols, that kind of thing".
Good deal though.
So what is the difference...
..between Abba, the Eagles and the Sex Pistols?
Sorry, but...
That is a rhetorical question, isn't it? Irony's a bugger to determine on the internet.
No it's not
Three pop groups as far as I can see.
Yes...
...and the three examples I mentioned are three TV shows. Humphrey Bogart, Marlon Brando and Orlando Bloom are all actors. William Shakespeare, David Hare and Ray Cooney are all playwrights. But my point is that there's a gulf as well. The Sopranos kicked the door down for this 'new wave' of television: it was the first, as far as I can tell, to hit upon the thus far unique combination of cinema-style censorship (ie much less than in network television) whilst also recognising that thirteen hours of character development was a luxury that no mainstream film could ever have. Then, much of what followed in its wake was lauded because it was part of this new wave of television with a difference: but to lump The Sopranos together with, say, Sex And The City (both HBO shows, both breaking barriers in terms of what you could actually depict on the small screen, both hit UK televisions in 1999) seems to me a lazy comparison that disregards the fact that they have very little in common indeed. Then it was 24, the first series of which was undeniably exciting, but still prey to the 'advertisement break-orientated peaks and troughs' (it's nearly time for a break, so let's build to a climax; and The West Wing too served this convention to the letter) that goes with the territory when you're not HBO. But the second series was laughable: racist, incredible and proof positive that, as Hitchcock pointed out, if you explode the metaphorical bomb, you lose all the tension. And then there's The West Wing: if anything, the most perfect example of what David Chase was talking about when he pointed out to Mark Lawson that mainstream American television is obsessed with reassuring you: there's a lawyer, or a police officer, or a President that is different from all the rest: that can make a difference. One that you can trust.
So...when I slightly clumsily chose my musical analogy, I was just trying to say that yes, they're all pop groups. One of them's ok but overrated. One of them kicked a few doors down. One of them made loads of money despite being (or because they were) comforting, mainstream and utterly predictable. If we choose to, we can lump them all together as groups of the 1970s; or we can recognise the inherent differences and not unite them simply because it's easy. And, five years ago or so, I came across a lot of people that did the same with American television. And it annoyed me.
Calm down.
It's only telly.
Cinema comes to TV
I remember the shock of watching the League Of Gentlemen for the first time (now that's a programme that's dated incredibly badly). Never before had TV looked so good. If you find out when it started then you could probably date the whole upswing in production values from that year.
I'm guessing
Abba = West Wing
The Eagles = The Sopranos
Sex Pistols = 24
I'm regretting
this analogy already.
I'm on a roll
Coronation St = the Hollies
Crossroads = Mud
The Prisoner = Frank Zappa
Where's Jeb Bartlet when we need him?
He's here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html
I got a better deal
I borrowed the whole lot off a mate!
Does anyone over age of 15 watch 24?
Back to The West Wing
Maybe a splurge is in order. Reading some of the above comments perhaps not...
Anyone else want to say how good it is?
if you had access to More 4
you could watch an episode every Saturday evening around eleven o'clock, and see what you think yerself.
I like it. It's well written and so on.
On the downside, you've got to remember IT'S ONLY TELLY. It's awfully idealistic, the pedeconferencing might well get to you, you'll more than likely need subtitles, I think Toby (and i'm alone on this, i believe) is a royal pain in the hole and I find the constant flicking from something awfully trivial to awfully serious mid conversation to be annoying.
However, its heart is in the right place, it treats the audience intelligently, and (if you're considering the box set) even though I don't know you, i reckon you've probably blown fifty quid on stupider things in your time...
I should clarify
I think that The West Wing was good. Just not as good as The Sopranos or The Wire.
Actually, the comment "it's only telly" pretty much sums it up. Because Davids Chase and Simon, for my money, created something that was more than telly.