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Were Springsteen and Young a bit, well, dull, at Glastonbury?

Kevin Milburn's picture

Went out last night and so taped BBC's coverage of Glastonbury. I was looking forward to sitting down to watch it this afternoon. Now I should say I wouldn't count myself as a Springsteen fan. I do like some of his stuff quite a lot, but generally speaking it's not really my kind of thing. However I thought he was an inspired choice for Saturday headliner and it was one of those rare times I wished I was going there; surely it would be great, The Boss (even if not really my Boss) up there with the E Street Band on the Pyramid Stage. Guaranteed to be great, surely?

Well having just watched it on the Humax, no, actually. I really wanted to like it. Perhaps I wanted to like it too much. Ever since reading a Tony Parsons review years ago of Bruce at the Madison Square Gardens in the 70s in which Parsons declares it by far the best gig he's ever been to I've been intrigued by the idea of Springsteen as a live performer, even if I didn't exactly 'get' his music. But this afternoon I found his Glastonbury performance to be turgid, worthy and deeply tedious. It only seemed to come to life during 'Born to Run' and 'Dancing in the Dark', when, finally, the audience woke up. The contrast to how the audience related to McCartney's great performace in Somerset a few years ago was stark.

One positive thing was that Bruce did look genuinely happy to be there, but, aside from a Joe Strummer cover in tribute to the ex-Clash man originally encouraging him to play the festival, there didn't seem to be anything special about the show. The impression given was that it was just another date on a summer tour. Yesterday: Glastonbury; today: Hyde Park; tomorrow: A N Other field some place else. At times I thought someone was going to have to prod Clarence Clemons to prevent him from nodding off, so disinterested did he seem in proceedings.

I'm sure it's all supposed to be about the music, man, but you know what, that doesn't mean you can't give a bit of thought to such things as lighting and staging. Anything that would have deflected my attention from the tedious proselytizing coming from the stage (did that man really just refer to his own band as "history making"? Let others be the judge of that, pal) would have been a respite.

After the show there was the inevitable post-match commentary in which Jo Whiley and the usually wonderful Mark Radcliffe were breathless over what good shape The Boss was in and how long he played for. Well, sorry, but whoopty, fucking-do! I'm glad for his sake that Springsteen is fit and considerably healthier than was a recently deceased American entertainer ten years his junior, but by focussing on this aspect of the Bruce mythology (he's got the pecs of a working man, despite the fact that, as he admits, he's never done a day's regular work in his life) it detracts from the core questions: were the songs well chosen? Was there a good arc to the performance? Did it flow as a set? Did the audience seem to be 'digging it'? The answer to all of which, from where I was sat on the sofa, was no. For excitement and a sense of event it just didn't come close to Jay-Z's Saturday night Glastonbury set last year. It was just yet another show featuring laudable endeavour by a well oiled American rock band; nothing more, and a whole lot less.

At times I had to take a breather from Bruce; I needed some light and shade, some humour, some glamour dammit(!), so I switched over to my recorded coverage of the BBC3 broadcasts. There I was as pleasantly surprised by Franz Ferdidnand's performance as I was mightily disappointed by Springsteen's... And don't even get me started on the snore-fest that was Neil Young sententious effort on Friday night which, and I say this in all honesty, was not a patch on the energising offerings provided by Lady Gaga, Regina Spektor and The Tings Tings, a band I'm not a fan of but who at least seemed to have some understanding of where they were and what was expected of them.

There, rant over, can I now have those two hours of my life back please Mr. Springsteen. And can someone please provide me with a safe house to protect me from The Word Massive who may now be baying for my blood for daring to speak ill of the Jersey Messiah and the Winnipeg Whiner.

Kevin

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I suppose this is an impossible request...

but I would love it if - just for once - the presenters could be honest with regards their opinions of the acts.

Edith Bowman: "Wow, Neil Young was AMAAAZING!"

Mark Radcliffe: "Now hold on a second Edith. Let's not get carried away. I actually thought Neil Young's set to be rather turgid and rambling, in fact rather less than amazing."

Now as it happens I think Mr Radcliffe genuinely enjoyed the 'Heart of Gold' hitmaker, but you take my point. It is perfectly obvious to everyone but the powers that be at the BBC that not everything at Glastonbury is 'amaaazing', in fact most of it is rather uninspired and dull. But this being TV, everything must be inflated to bursting point.

If John Peel was still with us, would the Beeb still allow him airtime in the knowledge that he would almost certainly be distinctly underwhelmed by the relentless flood of positivity around him?

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Patrick Crowther | 28 June 2009 - 5:45pm

Agreed.

Just dull - but these people are never going to meet the absurd expectations of the media & the 'fans.' I think televising the event doesn't help. Glastonbury has become just another must-see, celeb-endorsed event on the summer calendar. It used to be a bit special, now it's just another promotional tool.

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Adman | 28 June 2009 - 6:00pm

Well said!

Springsteen was dull beyond belief. Neil Young was just embarrassing. I wanted him to be good but he just wasn't I'm afraid.
Lady GaGa however was quite superb.

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Pete | 28 June 2009 - 6:03pm

I was saying this last night

and I got some stick from some of the more devoted of Bruce's fans who saw me as being less than enlightened vis-a-vis the charms of the Boss.

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Grant | 28 June 2009 - 6:46pm

It certainly didn't have the excitement

of the Superbowl show but, as someone pointed out earlier, this is possibly just one show of a summer festival tour.

For the turn, there's no reason for Glastonbury to be any different to (say) Bonnaroo or Pink Pop

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stimpy | 28 June 2009 - 6:06pm

but, wasn't he miming

at the Superbowl?

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badartdog | 28 June 2009 - 6:37pm
stimpy | 28 June 2009 - 8:25pm

maybe - I didn't see that

or his Glastonbury set, but I would imagine it would be easier to put on an exciting choreographed show if the music were taken care of earlier - see Kylie, Britney, Madonna and apparently the star of this year's festival - Lady Gaga.

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badartdog | 28 June 2009 - 9:48pm

No

Music was playback, but the singing was live.

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Ola Claesson | 28 June 2009 - 10:39pm

Oh...

That's ok then.

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Adman | 28 June 2009 - 10:56pm

I suppose

The soundcheck would take longer than what is durable during the break if everything was live. I guess this is the reason.

Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers did a great show at Superbowl 2008. They start with American Girl of course. Wish they would tour Europe.


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Ola Claesson | 29 June 2009 - 8:11pm

On the spot report

I was convinced Neil Young was going to be dull - I'd seen him play three times before with three different bands (Booker T & The MGs, Pearl Jam, and Crazy Horse), and wasn't blown away by any of them. But I thought Friday's show was fantastic. And Young, who often comes across as the sourest man in rock, actually seemed to be having a ball. For a lot of people I spoke to - and often to their own surprise - he was the star of the show. Maybe it just didn't work on TV.

And Springsteen? I thought he'd be the star of Glastonbury - do a job, play the hits, etc. But after five songs people were streaming away from the stage. He may have rescued things later on - and the setlist truly needed rescuing - but I wasn't round to find out. Too busy enjoying Franz Ferdinand, who I don't like much, but were great.

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Fraser Lewry | 28 June 2009 - 6:19pm

It has to be

the difference being being there and watching it on TV. Watching on the Beeb on Friday, I thought Young was very dull, but all the reviews have been great. Whereas I'm catching up with Bruce on BBC3 as I write this and it looks just fantastic!

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Johan | 28 June 2009 - 8:55pm

Was The Boss playing to the cameras

and not the crowd, perhaps? He has got albums to sell.

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Adman | 28 June 2009 - 9:30pm

Hmmm...maybe you had to be there

My older sister kindly asked me to accomany her to see Bruce Springsteen at the Emirates stadium last year. Even though i'm almost totally ignorant of his back catalogue i thought why not, it'll be a fun night out with my big sis if nothing else. Well, i'm a serial gig- goer and i have seen many stadium concerts, but no artist has ever blew my expectations to pieces the way Bruce Springsteen did last year, and i've never seen a London audience respond in such a thrilled way to a performer before or since. I've been watching his show on the sky plus today...and loving it, brought all the memories back. So maybe the point i'm making is, don't watch him on the telly, get yerself a ticket next time he's playing, you won't regret it.

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stepheny | 28 June 2009 - 6:31pm

Just tedious

BBC even had a scroll across the bottom as he banged on and on saying 'FRANZ FERDINAND ON BBC3 NOW!'. Never seen them do that before.

Another blog commented =
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There was a feeling of collective deflation – the palpable sense of 50,000-odd people realising that they weren’t quite as keen on Springsteen as they thought they were, or know as many of his songs as they thought they did.
It’s safe to say a cover of Stephen C. Foster’s Civil War-era folk standard ‘Hard Times Come Again No More’ – "This is a song from 1855," he growled, to audible sighs and shuffling of feet - was not exactly what the keyed-up Saturday night crowd had ordered.
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Well quite. If it had been raining i think he'd have been booed off.

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sandamiano | 28 June 2009 - 7:04pm

I think Bruce and Neil

are playing for the fans they already have rather than trying to make new ones.. that's the only thing I can think of for the slight lack of hunger.

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spinoza013 | 28 June 2009 - 10:46pm

haven't you got a ffwd or stop

button on your video\skyplus\tivo? You didn't hsve to carry on watching the whole thing.

There are loads of other things you could have been doing, like I did, going to Hyde Park to see The Boss and Neil Young....bugger. Oh at least we got Neil Young with some added Macca

Haven't watched em on the TV yet but they both were excellent in the flesh a day later. Maybe you do have to be there after all. It can't be the same in the cold light of day in your front room can it?

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DogFacedBoy | 29 June 2009 - 12:29am

Blur

I've just read the Guardian review of the Blur slot and apparently they were the best Glastonbury headliners in an age. Well I saw it on television so perhaps you had to be there!

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JohnW | 29 June 2009 - 6:24am

It must be true

Jo Whiley said so.

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Captain Underpants | 29 June 2009 - 7:50am

Bruce

I thought the Superbowl show was terrific but this was... overblown, self-important, turgid. Like Meatloaf but without the sense of his own ridiculousness.

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Captain Underpants | 29 June 2009 - 7:52am

Perhaps it's the crowd that suck..

I went to see Neil Young last wednesday and he was great but the crowd sucked the life out of the gig for me...half of them just stood there like they were watching it on TV with a gormless look on their face...I wanted to shake them.

I've noticed this at other gigs with a much younger demographic...most of them film it on their phone , no doubt they'll have a wee boogie to it later in the privacy of their habitation module.

Gone it seems are the life threatening and sweaty days of the Barrowlands.. Now it's all "Watch the hair man".

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spinoza013 | 29 June 2009 - 8:09am

Zane Lowe

No-one has mentioned him yet. Before the Blur bit last night he said "Amazing anticipatory light". Of all the presenters he is surely the most over the top in ridiculous praise. He also said "Benchmark Performance" twice yesterday. Really irratating or is that just me.

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Big Guxy | 29 June 2009 - 8:24am

So, Springsteen's in a lull

He's just put out his most underwhelming album since Lucky Town, Danny died, Max is in and out, Clarence is Not What He Once Was, Landau's business decisions have been under attack (Walmartgate), and his own private life has recently been under scrutiny for the first time in decades.... If his current shows lack some of the magic we've grown accustomed to (or perhaps just become blasé about), who's career can you think of that's been a 35-year bed of roses? Certainly not mine. Probably not yours, either.

Still, even though he's pushing 60 and is no doubt wealthy beyond imagining, he still has the desire to tour the globe and turn out 3-hour shows of an intensity that very few even half his age can come close to competing with.

What I find interesting about the coverage of his Glastonbury and Hyde Park bashes is that the very thing that made his name - his millimetrically measured showmanship - is now what he's most harshly criticised for, with claims that his act is "hokey" and "contrived". Most odd.

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Archie Valparaiso | 29 June 2009 - 8:54am

or is it just that

'ver kids' see him as a nostalgia act and us oldies who remember him at his peak are comparing him to the Bruce of 75/79/84? I think he's in a 'lose-lose' situation

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stimpy | 29 June 2009 - 9:08am

As always Archie

you've hit the nail right on the head!

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grac | 29 June 2009 - 9:35am

except

this thread is about Springsteen being dull.

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badartdog | 29 June 2009 - 9:49am

Is it?

I thought it was asking "Was he dull"? That allows for the answer "no, he wasn't"

The clue is in the thread title :-)

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stimpy | 29 June 2009 - 9:55am

fair enough :-)

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badartdog | 29 June 2009 - 10:23am

I saw him twice three weeks ago

Which was my first two Bruce Springsteen shows. After having been a fan for about ten years I must say it was REALLY good. Possibly two of the best five shows I´ve ever seen.

They were both three hour sets with a good combination of sing-alongs and a bit more obscure ones. Youngstown was great, being one of my favourites and Fade Away was a real surprise. Jungeland? Clarence nailed the solo flawless (for a change, I almost wrote).

"Millimetrically measured showmanship" is a good term, though he manages to make it seem improvised and spur of the moment - which is TRUE showmanship. To be honest I had tears streaming down my cheeks most of the songs, even if it took some time to really fire up on both of the evenings.

I actually watched Neil Young And His Electric Band (now, that´s a name for a back up band) the weekend after that. Having been a fan of Young´s for 15 years (half my life) and seeing him, also for the first time - one mother of a week, I must say - it was almost as good as Springsteen.

Young was in old-classic-mode, and I don´t think anyone minded. This being a festival he played 90 minutes. He wasn´t quite as come-on-and-sing-along as Springsteen of course, but when he turned against the drummer during those 13 minutes of Down By The River I was floating above the ground. This was a good thing, considering it had been raining pretty much the whole day.

I can see how not fans of Springsteen and/or Young doesn´t get it (there are allegdly brilliant bands I don´t get). But if their performances were just half as good at Glastonbury as they were in Stockholm I don´t think any so to speak "true" fan was disappointed.

I surely wasn´t. I even sang along to the count ins.

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Ola Claesson | 29 June 2009 - 8:42pm

Bruce

I am a 'Greatest Hits' kind of Bruce fan and I watched here and there an hour of his set on TV. My two-penneth-worth:

* He has incredible energy and stage presence, and to think he was doing all that again the following night is truly amazing.

* I know it's his thing, but he goes on too long. Not just the length of set (number of songs) but elongating those songs is just a bit boring; one or two false endings is OK.

* I was surprised how many people knew the words of (to me) relatively obscure songs - given most tickets were sold before the line-up was announced, there can't have been many die-hards.

* Clarence C ruins a lot of songs with his parp-parping

* The BBC sound was very very mushy, but maybe he uses too many instruments at times too.

* He had this year's Glastonbury's iconic fans (the BBC loved the blonde girl with shades on the left of these three):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery/2009/jun/28/bruce-springsteen-gl...

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kb | 29 June 2009 - 9:29am

Bruce

I confess I didn't see the Glasto show or even the highlights show, but I was at Bonnaroo a couple of weeks ago where Bruce payed a 3 hour set (none of your measley 2 hours 20 minutes I heard reported from Glastonbury).

He lost the audience at the start of that show too, the local press in Tennessee blamed this on the fact that Bruce just isn't used to festival audiences and severely misjudged his set and/or his importance to the audience. The thing is that he may be used to playing to huge audiences outdoors but he is used to playing to HIS huge audiences. Suddenly he comes across thousands of people who don't know every word to every song, not even the hits, and who don't hang on his every utterance. Even the American audience at Bonnaroo were going for a wander during "Outlaw Pete", not just because an eight minute song from the new album should not be played as the fourth song of a festival show, but because it's a dull, dull song! This should also be taken into context with the fact that he followed Wilco who had connected with the crowd on a human level, Jeff Tweedy was genuinely warm and funny, all Bruce did was scream cliche after cliche at the audience "Is there anybody alive out there?, I said...", etc.

He did bring it back eventually, he finished with "Rosalita," "Glory Days" and "Dancing In the Dark", but by then many had wandered off, and at Bonnaroo you have to bear in mind that all other stages had closed so that the Boss was an unrivalled attraction.

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Neil Dyson | 29 June 2009 - 9:54am

Mmmm.........as I see it........

Bruce and team saw Glastonbury as being no different to the enormodome in Brussels, Koln or Prague. The set list WAS wrong for Glastonbury. It was the current tour set list, primed soley at shifting copies of Working on a Dream.

I don't imagine Bruce has shifted a single copy of any new material to a "new" fan since Tunnel of Love. Would a young girl or guy - your average festival goer - really make their first Bruce purchase "Magic" or "Devils and Dust"? Not on your nelly.

Should have played Born to Run in its entirety, with the greatest hits spread around...

Not a "bad" show on Saturday night by any means, but not a show that will win him an army of new admirers or, more importantly, open new revenue streams.

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Six Dog | 29 June 2009 - 10:30am

not sure how the set could

not sure how the set could shift copies of the new album as it barely features (2 songs shown on TV, 3 in the set if I remember correctly) From selling the album on a regular basis I can testify that Magic was a much beter seller than he'd had in years - a new audience has picked up on him in the last couple of years, including people that I work with that had previously disregarded him and were converted by the new album and went back from there,
I've only seen him live since the Human Touch tour (once with that band, once with the Seeger sessions band and twice with the E Street) I personally believe they're the best live band on the planet and that his Glastonbury set was staggeringly good. It takes a lot to keep my wife up past midnight and live music generally isn't it, this did it.

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ian s | 1 July 2009 - 7:29pm

To quote Basil Fawlty..

What did you expect?
The Hanging Gardens Of Babylon????
With both gentlemen, you get what you get, which is also what has given them careers in rock music that eclipse most others.
Fans will love them, other people not so much.
If Bruce was trying to flog his new album, 3 new songs out of 26 probably won't do that.
Final note, TV sound poorest of the night.

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Freddie Owen | 29 June 2009 - 1:23pm

Hyde Park

Read the above comments with interest. As a die hard Bruce Fan of some 30+ years,I can sympathise with the reaction of those who are not. But seeing him perform last night in Hyde Park reminded me of why I enjoy his music and performance.
After kicking the show off with the inevitable 'London Calling' cover, I felt that it took the band a while to warm up, let alone the audience, maybe travel lag after the journey up from Glasto!. However once they got into their stride, they delivered a storming set of new and old numbers and by the end of the evening all the band members seemed to be really enjoying themselves, and the feedback from the audience.
It was also good to see the support Bruce gave to up and coming band Gaslight Anthem who themselves put in a good set in the afternoon.

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PaulDavis | 29 June 2009 - 3:48pm

So who was actually there?

Just wondering, how many people writing here actually went to glastonbury and were in the crowd for springsteen/young.

I watched Springsteen, and thought that he was really, really good. I've never seen him before (aged 17), and only know his stuff a little. But I thought he fully lived up to his live reputation, and from were i was standing, most of the crowd agreed with me. obviously i can't speak for everyone, but I think it must be remembered that watching bruce on tv is not the same as watching him at the festival. Not just the atmosphere; the sound is different as well.

I know I enjoyed him anyway.

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TJ Dizzle | 29 June 2009 - 9:58pm

Very good point

but having only ever seen him on screen, and comparing like for like, I'd say that this performance was one of his least engaging of the last 35 years.

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Captain Underpants | 30 June 2009 - 8:02am

I'm inclined to agree

I've seen him live about 6 times. I only watched it on tv and got bored and switched off after a while with all the really tiresome crowd interplay but it wasn't a patch on the Live In New York DVD. He doesn't need Nils AND Steve and himself on guitar. Plus his voice isn't what it was, the set list could have been better chosen.

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Neil Jung | 30 June 2009 - 8:22am

I thought

his voice was a bit ropey too, but I suppose he's pushing 60, so not that surprising.

You're also right about the guitarists. I'd happily settle for just Nils, one of my all time favourites.

It would be nice if Bruce gave Nils a song or two now and again. It would give Bruce's voice a rest, and I imagine I Came To Dance or Back It Up would go down quite well, in the same way Stones fans like Keith's slot (or use it as a toilet break, whatever).

When Nils toured with Neil Young in '82 we got Beggars Day halfway through (although I never really liked that song much).

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Johan | 1 July 2009 - 6:49pm

Hasn't anyone noticed, or is it just me …

Hasn't anyone noticed that Springsteen and his music have ALWAYS been dull? Obvious and boring melodies. Music without imagination, delivered with plodding insensitivity. Self conscious, gum chewing, strutting machismo music. Clichéd guitar phrases, loosely strung together into showy and unimaginative solo's, showing a complete lack of appreciation for the potential of the instrument. Always sounded to me like music by the numbers. Dry and uninhabitable, narrow minded, fundamentally conservative, US centric drawl music.

There, glad I finally got that off my chest. Going to sit down and have a beer.

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Marky | 19 March 2010 - 12:50am

I suggest you have a look at the

famous performance of Rosalita as shown on the Whistle Test many moons ago. If you think that's dull then you must lead a very exciting life.

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Johan | 19 March 2010 - 5:53am

This'll be the one

(although I thought there was a longer version on one of the OGWT DVDs)

Have you ever seen a man happier to be onstage?

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stimpy | 19 March 2010 - 12:13pm

Yeah OK

…you mean.

Particularly like the bit at 7.44 when the sax player Clemmons does his thing with the maracas. And that's a suprisingly hand picked looking selection of girls throwing themselves at him. Maybe back in his dressing room he was 'polite' to them for half an hour.

Guess I'm not saying he didn't have stage craft. But that endlessly repeated chord sequence, its still banging and dull to me as music. I'm sure I'm not alone in that assessment.

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Marky | 19 March 2010 - 12:36pm
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