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Warning!! A Cautionary Tale.

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(Please don’t be put off by the length of this, I promise you, like me or hate me, you won’t be disappointed and you’ll not have to read anything by me ever again)

I made a lot of mistakes in my first week, I caused a lot of upset and put a few noses out of joint and generally made an ass of myself, and for that I sincerely apologise. But that’s the thing.

I’m sincere.

If any of you have listened to the songs on my MySpace site and wondered why I never made it in the music industry, it’s chiefly because I’m guileless and I lack the self-confidence & hucksterism required to swim with sharks and work with weasels. In the 80s the band I wrote and played guitar for were approached by all the majors; we had a big live review in the NME, we appeared on Rock Around The Clock, the Whistle Test’s 24 hour rock extravaganza which was hosted by a couple of very handsome men whose names I cannot recall (though, I heard that the BBC had to employ extra security to subdue the crowds of squealing teens! Tee-hee! And believe me, this is the last joke I will ever crack). Everyone thought the band’s future was assured. But I had to drink heavily to overcome stage-fright and deal with the sudden attention (I spent all my teenage years in my bedroom learning my trade, so I was very green) and I was mess. I wasn’t a pleasant drunk, either; the downside of Dutch-courage is the over-ebullience, the aggressiveness, the don’t-give-a-shitness that liquor inspires in an innocent – so the record companies, my bandmates and my management bailed before their reputations sank with mine. All told, I was quite a bad boy, but it was a psychosis born of social inadequacy and crippling shyness, not an innate misanthropy. After 25 years of such abuse, your nervous-system calls time, your vital organs can’t take it anymore, and when they take the baby’s bottle away, he has to deal with those demons he drank to drown, in a body wracked with myriad maladies.

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Yesterday, we had a right-old laugh with that blog about rude celebs (which I still say would make a great book – maybe you were doing some research, gelectrox, if so – kudos kiddo – it was truly inspired!) but a couple of guys got snide (one has been a member for 2 years 1 week, the other 1 year 43 weeks, so they should know better)and decided to extract the urine from poor old HudD, thin-skinned and emotionally fragile as he is, and it soured the fun and games. The result is I can’t read any of the comments and replies I get on the threads anymore, because I can’t tell whether or not the participant is employing sarcasm (y’know, they say the pen is mightier than the sword, but it also applies to the keyboard – because any git with a broadband connection can sneak up on you unawares and stick a metaphorical shiv in your spinal column, then disappear off into the Ethernet without anybody being any the wiser, except the victim. These people are usually referred to as trolls; I don’t know what phrase is employed to describe long term offenders who use more insidious means, I’ve only had The Net since January).
So, I’m bowing out, I won’t be contributing to this site anymore. And those of you who say ‘good riddance’ or ‘MeMeMe’, ‘he’s throwing his rattle outta the pram’, or an acerbic ‘oh, HudD please don’t go’ - I have a feeling the rest of The Massive, not to mention David & Fraser will be watching you, so think very carefully before honing that sarky rejoinder and hitting the submit button. Remember, that I had only been on the site for less than a week, my mistakes were made with the happy-go-lucky-skip of the boisterous novice, not the thudding-stomp of a grumpy curmudgeon. OK, I tried too hard, but I don’t think it’s a hanging offence. I’m just a bit green. I had the briefest of educations, I never went to university – all my life’s lessons have been learned living in the real world – I’m accustomed to the mockery of student-types who think it’s funny to puncture an ingénue’s balloon with their needle-sharp wit – but at least they have the balls to look you in the eye when they do it, or at least be in the same room. I’m easy meat. I’m an autodidact: I read a lot of books and I’ve accrued what knowledge I have via newspapers and mags like the Word. That’s how I learn. And if you go back to my blogs, you’ll see that I was negotiating a steep learning curve, and I was grateful for any advice that was imparted, hence the levity in my tone when I engaged in ‘conversation’: I was trying to appeal & ingratiate, not alienate. I was feeling my way, not punching through. As I’ve said before, my family and my few remaining friends read these posts, and I wouldn’t tell lies or bullshit just to make myself ‘look big’; the thing about the Irish is, we hate posers & pricks who call us paddies and micks and assume a stance of pomposity, we’re above all that shite – we stay true to ourselves and hope the rest of you will catch us up. I’ve learned from all the self-inflicted shit in my life, that honesty is always the best policy, and an open-mind goes best with an open-heart. Unfortunately, it also leaves you open to the derisive sneers of cynical sods. The Music Industry is chock-full of such people, so I kept my distance. I did my album for myself, not to make a few bucks for a corporation or pump up my ego; I felt I was sharing it with you, not self-promoting. I mean, how would you feel if the person you were chastising was a Shane Magowan/Syd Barratt type? I’m not comparing myself in any way to the aforementioned artists, but because of geography, bad luck and my illness, I never got the breaks those guys got – they became the misfit I am in the full glare of a media spotlight, thankfully I was spared the humiliation of trial by public opinion.
Until now.
It’s been wonderful, I truly mean that, but I didn’t get a wink of kip last night worrying about this – I have depression and hyper-tension (a lethal combination) - and I can’t hack it; you might say I’m too sensitive, but I thought I was amongst friends. I’ll still buy the mag and read the posts, but I’ll be keeping my distance and my counsel from now on. I’ve been contributing to other people’s posts all week, staying up way past my bedtime to prove my worth. But it wasn’t good enough. The guys have dubbed The Word as: ‘intelligence life on planet rock’ and it’s spot-on; the level of intellect and eloquence you find on this site bears-out this epithet. Truly, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed myself and I will recommend The Word to anyone who asks. But I’m just too much of a softy to play rough with the big boys; erudite bullies can be the worst of the lot, they get inside your mind and f*ck it up. I’m f*cked up enough, thank you.
I know a lot of the above is a restatement of The Rules by a paranoid agoraphobic, but I hope Fraser lets this post stand as a cautionary tale to any potential participants who may make the same mistakes – but primarily as a warning to those of you who are tempted to make a fool out of someone who’s too credulous to read between the lines.
To those of you who salute my honesty, I salute you. To the others – I hope you’ve got wives or girlfriends boys, and if you do, I pity the women who have yez. Some like to think of this wee nook as a pub – well, think to yourselves – would ye really buy that windbag in the corner a drink in the real world? Thankfully I’ve been on the wagon since 2002, and with God’s grace I’ll stay there.
Choose your friends very carefully.
HudD.

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HudD | 13 February 2010 - 4:57pm

Wrongity wrong

"but a couple of guys got snide"

I have been following that excellent thread throughout and could not recall any sour incidents. So, to give you the benefit of the doubt HudD I went back over all the posts - I would hate myself if I had offended anyone on this board by an out-of-place remark.

The remarks you appear to be upset about - because you remark as such - "you've been on my case alll day!" are not directed at you but at junkiecosmonaut. It is clear to me because of the position of the reply boxes. Anyone replying to the original quote after you would appear under you but not be referring to you. Anybody replying directly to you would be in a box further to the right and the next posting. So nobody was having a go at you in the context of a comparison that would appear to be humourous anyway. Darren Day? Who would have thunk it.

If it gets to you so much...take a break. Others have done so in the past and have bounced back refreshed. It's not compulsory to be here but it is addictive. If I'm working at home I tend to have on in the background, but when the muse is flowing from the Massive it is difficult to ignore. However, my friend, in this instance I think you got it wrong.

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Beany | 13 February 2010 - 6:05pm

Oh for God's sake...

I didn't make it to the end but I think you need to toughen up a bit if you can't take a bit of banter on what is an extremely polite site.
You might want to avoid the rest of the web if you are so sensetive although I get the impression that this may be a trolling post from you.

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Doug B | 13 February 2010 - 5:30pm

"I didn't make it to the end..."

Me neither. I didn't make it to the end of the first sentence. Must've nodded off.

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pocket.calculator | 13 February 2010 - 6:55pm

you're your own worst enemy HudD

you received a lot of positive comments about your music and were generally welcomed, how you've been upset and feel you need to make this dramatic announcement is beyond me, but then I'm not you

do what thou wilt etc....

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James Blast | 13 February 2010 - 5:42pm

Can't decide..

If it's Trolling or attention seeking.
Within a few days you've managed to tell us about novels you have written and bands that could have made it so I'm not sure.

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Doug B | 13 February 2010 - 6:03pm

Does anyone...

fancy a pint?

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Formbyman | 13 February 2010 - 6:09pm

Shame on you, Formbyman.

And shame on those who "upped" the comment.

Disgraceful. And not what I would expect to see here.

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Lenny Law | 14 February 2010 - 1:43am

Sorry...

but being an insensitive dickhead is my strong point (according to the FPO) - and it is often said you should play to your strengths. Thanks, nevertheless, to the 7 that upped my comment - I'm here for you.

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Formbyman | 14 February 2010 - 10:28am

Lennylaw and the Formbyman

sounds like the start of a Dylan lyric

Lennylaw and the Formbyman stepped into the bar-room Word
"Here we been havin' trouble with a guy call himself HudD"
"Well, all I got this tongue in my cheek" the Lancastrian riles
"I fix mouths for a living - let's take a look at that smile"

So they shook hands and a XTC record they played
Shoegazers, Stargazers, lazy and hazy, hands got overplayed
Jury not judging yet, no plans yet made
It takes a train to laugh and the Massive to Cry
"we're all equals here brother - seen it all before" they sighed

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Sheev | 14 February 2010 - 12:23pm

Beautiful man...

... I love you brother.

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Formbyman | 14 February 2010 - 1:02pm

I thought

you were quoting the Fast Show character who would say that whenever he was faced with a boring dinner party, play, person etc.

Arabella weir is lovely in that

(looking down I see thats exactly what you meant- don't sweat it fella, I got the rather harmless joke straight away)

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DogFacedBoy | 14 February 2010 - 6:45pm

Me too

I recognised it as a Fast Show reference straight away. In fact, I thought Lenny's response must be a joke of some sort. I've only just realised the mix-up.

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Spartacus Mills | 14 February 2010 - 7:29pm

It went straight over my head

so i was there with Lenny until the clips above appeared. Makes Torres comments about misreading things all the more relevant I suppose.

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fortuneight | 14 February 2010 - 7:54pm

Misread

It is easy to misinterpret comments. Sometimes you'll read something that seems snide, but was actually meant jovially. I don't see how anyone could be upset about anything said in that thread. Well, except Roger Cook!

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Spartacus Mills | 13 February 2010 - 6:19pm

Too sensitive

I re-read the thread as well.

I can't see anyone having a go at you.

But if that's how you feel, then may the road rise with you too

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el hombre malo | 13 February 2010 - 6:41pm

I'm afraid

I'm with them, Mr D. I have read right through the supposedly offensive thread expecting a fall-out of Archie-Rabbit proportions, but could really see nothing hurtful directed against you, unless you've really got a downer on Darren Day.

I appreciate that you're a sensitive guy, which is a good thing until it starts to affect how you perceive comments and creates a sense of persecution; believe me, I'm still pretty sensitive to some of the replies and comments I get, and probably respond too strongly as a defence mechanism. But when you step back and look at things objectively, you have to realise that people are not being personally rude or dismissive of you, because on the whole, none of us know the real person behind the pseudonym (unless we're of the Blessed Few who have met in That London!).

So my advice would be to stay on here - you obviously like it and get a great degree of pleasure from it - and don't take things to heart so much. Either ignore the unfriendly comments, or just take comfort in the fact that you're right and they're wrong.

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Black Type | 13 February 2010 - 6:46pm

I think the panic attack

thread suggests a few of us have\had a few kinks in our hoses (missis) but don't use it as a an excuse to rant and rail against the slightest preceived slight.

This is a nice welcoming place unlike most other places on the WWW. Just calm down and stop jumping at shadows.

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DogFacedBoy | 13 February 2010 - 7:39pm

Ive got it! You are...

Luke Haines!

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D.Green | 13 February 2010 - 7:51pm

HudD

most of us here are suffering from the male equivalent of the menopause. It goes wrong sometimes but mostly it's right, if you are still reading this please take some time to look at this selection of old posts. Stay, relax and enjoy and if it starts to get difficult walk away to the next post or just stop responding, no argument is ever won or lost on the internet it just goes on, and on and on......

Here it got pretty ugly!

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/did-rob-fitzgerald-read-faq

See, what happened to you is a mere ripple not the all consuming tsunami of that thread!

Now when this place wants to feel the love it is second to none. Mr Crowther is the quintessential Word Blogger and this thread just took off with a genuine warmth I doubt you will find anywhere else

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/a-heartfelt-thank-you-the-word-sta...

I understand you find it difficult to get out and about so if you were stuck indoors on New Years Eve you could have joined in with this.

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/are-you-watching-jools

So there you go, don't walk away stay as I genuinely believe you have a lot to offer. I apologise for questioning you on a previous thread and then not responding to your specific answer, as I have said you are a welcome addition in my opinion. When you've ploughed through this come and have a lemonade at my Fantasy Piano Bar and enjoy the ambience and the music. Cheers!

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/friday-night-fantasy-piano-bar

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Dave Amitri | 13 February 2010 - 8:38pm

Bloody hell Dave

That's impressive. Can we make you official archivist or something.

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Lying Doggo | 14 February 2010 - 2:07am

As usual

Dave Ross and Mikhail talk a lot of sense.

HudD, you seem to have a bad case of needing to be liked. Add in a dose of oversensitivity and a penchant for taking stuff personally and I can see why you've resorted - more than once - to threatening to leave.

The symptoms are somewhat familiar as I'm sure there are many of us who fret when our contributions don't spark a response or - worse - kill a thread stone dead.

No web forum is ever going to be a substitute for liking yourself or being happy inside. You cannot let your sense of self worth depend on the disinterested comments of a disparate group of playful, sometimes bored, frequently passionate and often mischievous net fiends. When you've had your PC longer, you'll quickly find that this is one of the most supportive and tolerant sites around.

For what it's worth, there are many helpful books that you might a find rewarding read: I'm OK, You're OK was one that helped me understand my boundaries for instance. Worth an Amazon browse maybe.

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Occam | 13 February 2010 - 11:17pm

therapy?

I think HudD needs to see a pro or get some meds, from a pro like a doctor

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James Blast | 13 February 2010 - 11:50pm

A bit harsh there, JB

The guy has been very open about his problems and is perhaps still working through them in creative ways, of which he probably thought blogging is a part. No need to be so disparaging, is there?

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Black Type | 14 February 2010 - 1:22am

Well I'm with JB

It sounds like he needs proper help, which he's not going to get from a bunch of strangers on a web site, even one as friendly as this.

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Johan | 14 February 2010 - 1:28am

thanks Johan

that was exactly my point, we're not professionals with HudD's case in front of us, he really needs some informed advice, even if some of us are professionals I don't think this is the best place for something so intense

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James Blast | 14 February 2010 - 5:45pm

How

do you know that he isn't receiving 'treatment'? This wouldn't preclude his right to express himself, would it?

Christ, all the guy's done is to have been a little too excessive with his enthusiasm for the website and a compulsion to explain his background; he's not committed a crime or shown himself to be a danger to the public, or indeed the Massive.

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Black Type | 14 February 2010 - 5:49pm

I didn't say anything of the sort

and my comment about professional help stands, if you wish to continue this further let's take it to PMs

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James Blast | 14 February 2010 - 6:14pm

PMs?

PMs?

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Black Type | 14 February 2010 - 6:30pm

He never said anything of the sort!!!

and surely professional help is likely to be better for him than this blog. And how do you know he's not committed a crime, or shown himself to be a danger to the public? He might be out there now on an alcohol-fuelled murder spree - and if he is, were all too blame - especially me, for my "pint" entry (Fast Show homage) which I'll have to live with for the rest of my life.

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Formbyman | 14 February 2010 - 6:36pm

I f it's any consolation

there's been nothing on the local news.

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Steven C | 14 February 2010 - 9:16pm

Dude

Its just a blog. Just a bit of fun - write if you want, read if you want. Stay, go, whatever. Chill - no biggie.
If you are "awake all night thing about a post" then you are getting it all wrong

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Andrew2 | 13 February 2010 - 11:59pm

This.

I'm sure you're a lovely man, Hud, but damn. It's only a blog. Truth.

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Bob | 14 February 2010 - 12:07am

Word!

sorry, that was it but done in a Cameo style (codpiece optional)

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James Blast | 14 February 2010 - 12:24am

When you hear the call...

... you have simply GOT to get it underway.

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Bob | 14 February 2010 - 12:29am

Word Up!

.

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James Blast | 14 February 2010 - 12:45am

Considering

that everyone always goes on about how nice and friendly we all are, there seems to be a high degree of intolerance at times towards anyone new who is perhaps a little different to the norm (and I do include myself in the intolerant stakes). To a greater or lesser degree of justification, it happened with bargepole, with middlerabbit and now Mr D.
On one hand we're all saying what a grand place it is, how we all love it and feel like we're amongst friends; and on the other, when someone displays a refreshing enthusiasm (perhaps over-enthusiasm) to feel included in this community and freely expresses his anxieties about his naivete in this arena, people respond by saying 'it's just a blog', take it or leave it - castigating him in the process.
Regardless of whether other blogs are much worse etc etc, perhaps we're sometimes not as inclusive or pleasant as we like to make out.

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Black Type | 14 February 2010 - 1:53am

Yes...

...but MiddleRabbit was a tosser. HudD, I've enjoyed your posts, if not concise, they were thoughtful and well worded. It has to be said that your propensity to comment on every other comment may have left you over-exposed, though. This isn't therapy, it's a essentially a bunch of trivial bollocks by middle-aged men (honorable exception:- BadgerKing) who should know better.

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nicktf | 14 February 2010 - 9:30am

Nor, perhaps as uninclusive..

..or unpleasant as you make out.

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shane pacey | 14 February 2010 - 2:22am

I did qualify that

with 'sometimes' and 'perhaps'; it wasn't a sweeping condemnation.

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Black Type | 14 February 2010 - 12:22pm

Thems the rules

This *is* an inclusive, overwhelmingly genial and friendly place compared to the hate-filled bearpit you'll find elsewhere. But, no matter what our mental state, our personal circumstances or indeed how drunk or stoned we may be, we *all* have to abide by the posting guidelines .

Hudd has, quite spectacularly, managed to break several of them in his first week which may explain the less than charitable response to his walk out. Cut the guy some slack though, he has been frank about his problems and he was a lead singer in a rock band! One of the most extraordinary weeks of my life was auditioning singers...my god they are a breed apart!, no offence meant to you Hudd.

My advice to Hudd is stick around, take a breather if you must and follow the strange undulating rhythm of the Massive..it took me several weeks to get the hang of how it works, it doesn't flow like the message boards and fora you see on lesser websites. If you haven't already, have a listen to some of the Word podcasts. They help set the tone of the place and will reveal the source of some of the 'in jokes' on this blog.

Self-editing and the 'Preview' button is also key. I personally start many a comment or blog post, read it back to myself in preview. I'll often either delete or hack it down as much as I can lest I bore the Massive to death. You have all, so far, been spared a lengthy discourse on the work of Autechre....

Finally, while it is against club rules to promote or "share" your own website, band and so forth in a Blog entry you can add that to your profile page which I notice Hudd hasn't done yet.

Surely the real Golden rule..before anyone posts anything...think of Fraser who has to wade through *all* off this stuff and deal with all us lot all the time!

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Dr Volume | 14 February 2010 - 3:47am

Didn't you say you were leaving

last week?

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Mr Fade | 14 February 2010 - 12:04pm

Fraser can we have some quality control please

Cant believe you allowed HudD's self-pitying, meandering nonsense to appear on an otherwise interesting and amusing site. Standards are slipping!!
HudD I have previously upset people on this site and have been upset by people on this site. Generally however most of us have the ability to get over it. The site requires us to be adult in our response to others but childlike in our enthusiasm for Fray Bentos pies and fawning in our love of the Beatles and, to some, Michael Jackson. I failed in this last regard but lived to do it all over again when the opportunity arises.

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Steve Turner | 14 February 2010 - 12:42pm

Take a breather, is my advice

Dr Volume has it spot on.

I do wonder why some people get so worked up at times, but if it is all getting too much for you, just don't post anything for a while. Wait until you feel better about it.

As noted elsewhere on this thread, several others have threatened to leave, or have actually left, in the past. The thing that concerns me is that, in some cases, they seem to be attention seekers playing to the grandstands. I must make it clear that I am *not* singling HudD out here, but if anyone is feeling persecuted by any responses they get to posts, just take a break rather than posting a 'I am leaving' message. That way, if you decide to stay you haven't alienated the rest of the Massive, who in general seem like a pretty friendly bunch of people.

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Mr Sparks | 14 February 2010 - 12:54pm

I'm off!

I'm off!

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Spartacus Mills | 14 February 2010 - 1:10pm

Good riddance!

Oh...(sees comment below)

Welcome back!

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Beany | 14 February 2010 - 2:01pm

I'm back!

I'm back!

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Spartacus Mills | 14 February 2010 - 1:10pm

Not much I can add...

... other than a loud and yelled GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am now off to rustle my Daily Telegraph in a significant manner...

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ganglesprocket | 14 February 2010 - 2:51pm

A feast or a famine..

eh, HudD? Somewhere in between you'll find your place with us. Your presence these last weeks has been more than obvious, you've reminded me of the guy in the pub who insists on dribbling his life story into your ear, then turns nasty when you appear even slightly reserved. Know what I mean?

But you're a nice sweet guy with it, all this I'll-phone-me-Mum stuff. Definitely enthusiastic too, sometimes a bit ott, your explaining your motives above is assuming we all need to be hammered into submission rather than just letting us have the intelligence to get on with drawing our own conclusions. But you're Irish, you've got a good turn of phrase, I found your posts mostly entertaining, as others above have also stressed. I like you man! You just appear to have a little too much time on your hands.

Let me summarize by saying I hope you stay with us, tell us (a little) less, stop seeing slights where there weren't any, and obviously lighten up a bit.

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Declan | 14 February 2010 - 3:51pm

Sometimes

the Halls of Residence at the University of Life can seem like the bleakest, loneliest place on earth. Having stayed around long enough to get a PhD in 21st Century living, it's no wonder some of us get stir crazy once in a while.

It would be a shame then, having tuned in to the Word channel with the crystal set your Ma smuggled in at the last parental visit, to misconstrue a few remarks and vow never to tap out a tune for us on your Morse Key from time to time, as most of us do every now and then.

This is a broad church of tolerance and civility; we celebrate our diversity, not our conformance. Stay tuned, HudD, and let us know you're still here and chuckling at all the madness.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 14 February 2010 - 6:23pm

Leave it. Really.

Neither affirmation nor critical advice can help this guy because he doesn't know how to cope with them.

And discussing someone's mental condition in public (even if they initiated it) is just wrong.

When he comes back tomorrow full of regret and apology, do him a favour and don't engage with him. You'll just start the cycle again.

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Captain Underpants | 14 February 2010 - 6:37pm

Couldn't agree more

Which is why I haven't commented.
Until now.
(oh bugger)

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Lying Doggo | 14 February 2010 - 9:26pm

Yo HudD

The crack about the handicapped girl was about one of your posts, but it wasn't *at* you. Even so, I'm sorry if it came across that way. Darren Day, meanwhile, was about Junkiecosmonaut not you. Given your subsequent comment I did wonder if you'd got the wrong end of the stick and it crossed my mind to explain. But you know how it is, I got sidetracked and it didn't seem like you were *that* bothered, so…

Wish I had now, of course.

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Albert Edward | 14 February 2010 - 7:33pm

Oh for the love of all that's holy

it's only a bloody blog, that's all. Everyone calm down and stop throwing toys around. Do not make me come up there !

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On The Fence | 14 February 2010 - 8:26pm

HuD - as one Irishman to another

take comfort from the fact that you've received more comments (mostly positive) in your first 4 weeks, than I have in he last two years. But I'll get over it.

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Steven C | 14 February 2010 - 9:22pm

Steven C

You're lovely, so you are

that any comfort?

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DogFacedBoy | 14 February 2010 - 9:24pm

I feel better already

:-)

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Steven C | 15 February 2010 - 12:44am

Hmm...

...I feel a bit left out now. Am I not lovely?

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Iainso | 15 February 2010 - 12:58am

Dunno..

..write a real long, self involved post about yourself with a link to some dodgy post-indie rock you've created and see what everyone thinks.
(Flounce off optional)

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shane pacey | 15 February 2010 - 2:56am

I've been orf in self imposed ipod filling seclusion.

so I missed all this latest stuff from our Hudd.All I can say is he's right they are out to get you!I always look out for black helicopters and shady looking people in macs wearing earpieces when I go out to the local Asda.Only joking Hudd,stick around don't let us bast*%ds get you down.

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Pencilsqueezer | 20 February 2010 - 4:11pm
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