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Venice

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There's a big birthday coming up and the FPO and I are off to Venice for a few days.
Hints and tips from The Massive received with thanks...

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Take the bus...

The main route (from The Lido) all the way up the Grand Central Canal and back - I think it's the number one - calls in pretty much everywhere. Don't buy a tour, simply get one of the three day passes from the tourist office which offer unlimited travel, grab a bottle of wine and the first seats at the front you can get and spend a goodly amount of time cruising up and down getting off wherever you fancy. The boat calls at pretty much every stop along the way, so you'll get to see all of it over a fairly long period of time.
Murano is nice for a quick trip out, and if the weather's nice, take a day on The Lido (with the iconical Campari sign). The public beach gets a bit crowded if it's nice out, but the amble up to it from the bus stop is a nice little diversion. There's also a top hotel half way up with an outside terrace, cocktail pianist and white-jacketed maitre D's which is well worth a booking if you fancy a special meal out in slightly quieter surroundings than on the main island. Via Lepanto has a number of bijou restaurants that you couldn't really swing a cat in, but put who also tables out by the canal where you can have a great little meal while you watch the world go by.
Also, it's a little way out of the centre and a wee bit quieter, so make a point of taking her up the Arsenale. Arf!

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skirky | 25 February 2010 - 2:58pm

Be prepared

to pay a small fortune to sit and have a coffee in St.Marks square, or any other "touristy" areas

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latenitetellyvision | 25 February 2010 - 2:00pm

yeah but it is marvellous

and last time we went one drink bought you a table for an hour at least and you are on your holidays!
Other tip get the waterbus from airport it drops you off at st marks square and so is offcially the most dramatic romantic way to arrive in any city
the cafes round the fish market are really fun .
we had nice time strolling along the beach at the lido
and a usual we went to see the local footy team play in wonderful crumbling stadium
Oh and develope a taste for campari!
and even found some vinyl at monastery car boot sale
bambola

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 2:13pm

That reminds me of when I was in Siena...

I went into a second hand shop and found a basket of statuettes of the Madonna next to a huge pile of jazz mags. Talk about a meeting of the sacred and the profane...

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Patrick Crowther | 25 February 2010 - 3:03pm

Trad or Modern?

?

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DougieJ | 25 February 2010 - 9:54pm

Don't follow small people dressed in

red hooded coats.

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Ahh_Bisto | 25 February 2010 - 2:04pm

Must dos

The vaparetto all the way from Fondamenta Santa Lucia to the far side of Venice, the to Lido, Muranno and Torcello and back.
A traghetto across the Grand Canal (50c. per crossing - you stand up on a wobbly de-commissioned gondola).
Where possible take back alleys. Main streets, particularly between the Rialto Bridge and San Marco, can be hellish. You're going to get lost anyway and might as well get used to the idea.
How to get lost in Venice
The Academia and Guggenheim galleries are both superb (and in easy reach of each other).
If you're on a budget, the bars and restaurants in Campo Santa Margherita in the university district in Dorsoduro are better value than elsewhere in Venice.

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Gatz | 25 February 2010 - 9:23pm

only downside to venice

is it's a tad quiet in the evening, even I imagine by Massive standards didn't quite have the buzz of say large spanish town or similar does lean towards the sedate.

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 2:19pm

pasta

really nice pasta in the shops by the water

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clive | 25 February 2010 - 2:43pm

Just remember one thing...

panino is singular, panini is plural and paninis doesn't make sense.

Buon viaggio!

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Patrick Crowther | 25 February 2010 - 2:45pm

Dude

wax that board - the surfing's awesome.

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Prestonia | 25 February 2010 - 2:50pm

Molto...

buffo!

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Patrick Crowther | 25 February 2010 - 2:58pm

and the Cornetto's...

... are the best in the world.

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Formbyman | 25 February 2010 - 3:48pm

Cornetti please...

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stimpy | 25 February 2010 - 5:27pm

cornettium

surely(?) *has no clue about latin except status quo is a dodgy film with victor mature in a toga probably*

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 5:45pm

A Cornettium is the room in which

one eats ones Cornetto (or Cornetti if greedy)

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stimpy | 25 February 2010 - 5:55pm

Excellent this place is like the Open University

what's the past participle of Solero?

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 6:03pm

But isn't Cornetti...

... Italian for croissant?

(like I knew that and haven't just checked on Google)

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Formbyman | 25 February 2010 - 6:20pm

Boh...

I'm buggered if I know!

Here's hoping I find out one day... or perhaps not, for as the Italians say "Chi vive sperando, muore cagando". He who lives hoping, dies shitting...

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Patrick Crowther | 25 February 2010 - 6:26pm

Get the water taxi from the airport...

...if you're arriving at the proper non-Ryanair airport, that is. Magic. Expensive, mind you (upwards of 100 euro), but they hold 10 people so you may be able to sort out sharing beforehand. If a place to stay isn't sorted, have a look at Pensione la Calcina (http://bit.ly/cquAFm). You may or may not care that Ruskin stayed there, but it's a great place, somewhat off the beaten track with great views and fairly close to everything. Apart from that, try and make time for just wandering, as opposed to dashing from one high spot to another.

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mikethep | 25 February 2010 - 3:41pm

Get the water taxi from the airport...

...if you're arriving at the proper non-Ryanair airport, that is. Magic. Expensive, mind you (upwards of 100 euro), but they hold 10 people so you may be able to sort out sharing beforehand. If a place to stay isn't sorted, have a look at Pensione la Calcina (http://bit.ly/cquAFm). You may or may not care that Ruskin stayed there, but it's a great place, somewhat off the beaten track with great views and fairly close to everything. Apart from that, try and make time for just wandering, as opposed to dashing from one high spot to another.

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mikethep | 25 February 2010 - 3:44pm

Sorry...

...to nag.

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mikethep | 25 February 2010 - 3:54pm

Completely agree.

We did this on our first visit and it was memorable and money well spent.

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Uncle Wheaty | 27 February 2010 - 7:12pm

Thirded

We had a couple of hours to kill in Venice last summer before flying home from an Adriatic cruise. We dumped the luggage at the airport and took a 90 minute water taxi ride. A lot better than the organised cruise trips we had taken during the holiday and given there were 6 of us, it was even cheaper.

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Los Aromas | 1 March 2010 - 7:20pm

If you see...

a bunch of native sophisticates imbibing what appears to be Irn Bru-it isn't. It's Aperol Spritz. Less tart than Campari, and lower in alcohol.
Go for a walk round Santa Croce. It's the Venice the tourists rarely see.

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Richie B | 25 February 2010 - 3:48pm

Venice for Pleasure

'Venice for Pleasure' by J.G. Links is one of the best guides to any city.

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Sean French | 25 February 2010 - 3:59pm

Surely...

... it's only one of the best guides to Venice, not any city.

(Don't worry my coat's on and I'm out of here)

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Formbyman | 25 February 2010 - 4:11pm

You lucky, lucky bast**d.

fave place on planet for myself and FPO.
Been there about six times through the years.
I presume if you are going shortly it will be pre summer.
Even off season it has many charms.
Most of the movies featuring Venice (I have a special section in my DVD collection) were shot out of season.
Eateries are a rip off around St. marks square, so try University area or near the Train Station.

Found a brilliant alley (cannot describe where) where there was a take out Pizzeria across from shop which sold wine from large containers which was siphoned into plastic bottles such as 2 litre coke bottles. You could have a great night for a few euros and try telling that to the youth of today.

favourite part - day trip to the islands - Murano, Burano and Torchello on a vaparetto. Torchello is the furthest out and magic if you are into history. All for a few euros.

Best way to arrive into Venice - by train.
Walk through the front door of the station and Venice is at your feet.

The normal busy city life - except all on water.

Enjoy.

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Ger The Boptist | 25 February 2010 - 4:16pm

Can you recommend some films Godon?

Don't Look Now and the rather dodgy Minghella take on The Talented Mr Ripley are the only ones which spring to my mind.
You're right about the train. It sounds daft, but the first time I visited, on a day trip from Verona, I hadn't realised how quickly 'Venice' starts when you leave the station. The station itself is a standard Italian Mussolini slab, but as soon as you step outside you're in the Venice of your dreams.

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Gatz | 25 February 2010 - 4:28pm

Death in Venice


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Ahh_Bisto | 25 February 2010 - 5:04pm

death in venice

isn't great it's a little slow and plodding.

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 5:14pm

....

...but it is in Venice.

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Ahh_Bisto | 25 February 2010 - 5:20pm

Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade

It's not a real library, you know.

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skirky | 25 February 2010 - 5:24pm

but you wouldn't recommend it

to anyone though, much like "sleepless in seattle"!

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 5:24pm

actually

a really good film set in Venice is "summertime" by David Lean
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048673/
It makes the place look great and is full of tourist hokum but has Katherine Hepburn in it so if saved from being trite. Would recommend anyone watching it in these rainy days to have bit of summer sun.

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 6:36pm
Ahh_Bisto | 25 February 2010 - 6:45pm

Good link

Thanks. But it may not have been updated for a while; why else would they overlook the magnificent Shark In Venice?

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Gatz | 25 February 2010 - 9:32pm

Death In Venice

may just be the most indulgent pile of tosh ever filmed. The book, however, is really good and very short.

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Lucas Hare | 26 February 2010 - 12:28pm

May I suggest a viewing of...

Michelangelo Antonioni's L'Eclisse. A beautiful and stylish film, unsurpassable in its indulgent pile of toshness. And here writes someone who loves Italian cinema.

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Patrick Crowther | 26 February 2010 - 12:52pm

Just watching his l'Avventura

and thought of you

and of myself:

As Sandro observes in a rare moment of self-perception, "I saw myself as a genius working in a garret. Now I've got two flats and I've neglected to become a genius."

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SpaceBoy | 15 June 2010 - 11:04pm

Films

Yes,
Some good, some bad, but all Venice:
Death in Venice
Comfort of Strangers
Don't Look Now.
Wings of a Dove.
Woody Allens - Everybody I love you.
End of - From Russia with love.
Ep 2 (I think) of Brideshead Revisited.

And BBC Series "Francesco's Venice".

Save the films until you come back.

As regards books Jan Morris book is essential - Not so much a Travel Guide as a Soul Guide. - Bring it with you.

When you are there just walk and walk - a surprize round every corner.
Don't worry about getting lost - that is part of the fun.

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Ger The Boptist | 25 February 2010 - 10:02pm

Good luck finding a restaurant

that doesn't have menus of every language stuck in the window. The ones that don't are full of English people.

Don't watch The COmfort Of Strangers before you go. Make sure it's not raining.

Otherwise, enjoy!

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Five-Centres | 25 February 2010 - 4:43pm

Don't miss...

1) the Scuola di S Giorgio degli Schiavoni - 8 paintings by Carpaccio, on the theme of S Giorgio and S Girolamo - which are beautiful and surprisingly funny and witty.
2) Torcello - climb the campanile
3) S Giorgio Maggiore - the view from the campanile is better than that from San Marco ( but do that one too).
4) The Frari church - tomb of Monteverdi, huge memorial to Canova.
5) The Pala d'Oro in San Marco - they charge extra for it, but it's amazing - also visit the balcony there.

and all the obvious things. I have never seen the clock tower in the Piazza - it always had scaffolding round it, but I know it's been removed now. Some other building you want to photograph will have scaffolding round it. (Wingrave's First Law of Tourism).

If you like churches, get a Chorus card, which allows entry to 15 for far less than the price of each one (even further discounted if you have a Venicecard for travel).

The cemetery at S Michele is good - Stravinsky, Diaghilev, Ezra Pound and others.

If you're buying glass, buy in Murano, where it's much cheaper than in shops around the Piazza. I've seen a markup of 400%.

If you don't want to get lost, the AA City Pack has an excellent map - every little calle is on it.

Have a wonderful time..

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PeteWingrave | 25 February 2010 - 6:16pm

see if you can track down this

classic sleeve!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_the_Virgin_(Titian)

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 6:29pm

In case we miss the obvious

Try your library to see if they have the book and/or DVD of Francesco da Mosta's Venice series.

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Gatz | 25 February 2010 - 8:49pm

Take a book by Donna Leon to read

while you're there.

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Mousey | 25 February 2010 - 9:46pm

I enjoyed

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Chris G | 25 February 2010 - 10:10pm

The fishing is also excellent in Venice and...

... you can do it from the hotel window.

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Formbyman | 25 February 2010 - 10:35pm
stimpy | 27 February 2010 - 12:56pm

save yourself some cash

and just pop down to toys r us. Check out the doge palace in lego ruskin will spinning in his handcarved gothic mausoleum!
http://www.wackyowl.com/amazing-venice-city-built-lego/

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Chris G | 26 February 2010 - 1:15pm

Visit the Cemetery!

It's on San Michele island and well worth the trip. Many of the great and the good are buried there, including Stravinsky, Diaghilev and Ezra Pound.

San Michele is off the northern shore of Venice (it has high walls and cypress trees). The island is on the route of the regular vaporetto services 41 and 42 to Murano (a combined trip can fit in well with general sightseeing). The stop is called Cimitero and is one stop from the Fondamente Nove. The church of San Michele is also worth a visit - it's closed at lunchtimes.

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Baskerville Old Face | 26 February 2010 - 1:57pm

Many thanks...

... to all of you who've passed on useful suggestions.

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Philip Bryer | 26 February 2010 - 3:44pm

Expect Full report

Massive expects full report on your return no detail left out.

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Ger The Boptist | 3 March 2010 - 1:54pm

That noise...

...you just heard was a collective sigh of 'he-needs-no-encouragement-you-know'.

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Philip Bryer | 4 March 2010 - 1:35pm

new

Peggy Guggenheim's museum is excellent if are into modern art and the Doges Palace is great. Getting slightly drunk and getting lost at night in Venice was one of the best nights I have ever had in my life.An amazing place and I'm very jealous. Enjoy!

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paintyface | 26 February 2010 - 4:04pm

Explore it on foot if you have the time

You will see many great scenes in the back streets and definitely visit the Jewish quarter and the fish market.

Avoid Harry's Bar for the over pricced Bellinis.

Avoid trips to the glass factories where they will try and pressurise you into buying something.

Otherwise enjoy it, it is a great City.

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Uncle Wheaty | 27 February 2010 - 7:15pm

Last time we were in Venice

we found a restaurant called Do Farai in the Dorsoduro district. Phone number 041 277 0369.

The food was fantastic and we were the only non Italians in the place. One of our number spoke Italian and the owner told him that the tourist restaurants only feed people once. 'I need my clients to come back every week. That's why my food is so good.' Highly recommended.

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DavidC | 4 March 2010 - 8:36am
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