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US Music Journalism and OUR music
I've just been rereading Michael Azerrad's "Our Band Could Be Your Life" (US Underground 1980-1990) and it struck / irritated me just how sniffy he gets about
a) British Music
b) British Music Weeklies
In the first case, he dismisses the UK music scene in the 80's as either being dominated by fey synthpoppers with no taste for rock, or those bands like Wire / Slits / Raincoats / YMG / PiL /UK Subs that are hugely influential are given short shrift in his quest to glorify the US scene.
The Weeklies meanwhile are portrayed as guillable fools who bought into acts like Butthole Surfers / Big Black / Sonic Youth because they were desperate for the novelty value and good copy that they provided us sensation-starved Brits.
That pissed me off a bit. I'd argue that as a nation we've always been more susceptible to new forms of music. Of course we are a far smaller nation, but we gave a lot of US bands a lot of coverage that bolstered their standing at home when they returned from their European tours, giving them greater domestic exposure (He's particularly scathing about the J&MC riots compared to what Sonic Youth did).
I've tried to read Rolling Stone and a few other US music magazines, but have found the writing to be little short of an ordeal.How do others feel?
Am I being over-sensitive? Are we more deferential to US acts in our music magazines than they are to our music? Is the same true today?
I'd appreciate some POV's from any of the writers that were around during this period.
I know that Azerrad's working with Bob Mould on his autobiography and I'm very interested on how he deals with Sugar and the considerable success they had over here against their US profile, to see if these opinions are replicated.
Anyway, from what the Massive have read, what's their take on US music journalism and their attitude towards music produced in the UK?
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if its sniffy you are after
you ought to try reading about australian bands in british mags
Do Aussie bands
Desire British music press approbation over American?
i dont see your point
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Not a point, just a question
Do Australian bands want exposure in the Britsh press? Wouldn't they rather have US press exposure?
just got back to this
Australian bands have historically first sought overseas success in Britain.
No doubt this was due to history.High immigration from Britain, "ruled" by the Queen of England no less, and BBC sourced programmes dominated the airwaves. Perhaps it started with ex Brit immigrants the Easybeats. Then there were a succession of acts trying to crack it in Britain, most unsuccessfully.
The Little River Band were I think, the first band of significance to target the American market rather than going to Britain. Other acts like Air Supply and Men At Work followed.
References to flies, Bruce, Sheila, Rolf Harris, a convist past and kangaroos seemed to somehow be relevant to reviews of Australian bands and their work.I find this more common in the British media rather than the New World press of America. I've even seen examples of it in the Word. Perhaps it is a case of sledging a mate or perhaps it is a vestige of colonial condescension.
The usual retort is stop being so sensitive which is not something usually said when a complaint about racism is made.
some of that rings a bell...
I think we'd have to hold our hands up when it comes to Butthole Surfers and, to an extent, Sonic Youth. But without us - British weeklies, Peel and the fans' spirit of adventure - the US would have missed the Pixies and Nirvana.
Those Americans!
I know I'm going to generalise about a generalisation but the US media do like to compartmentalise music much more than we do here. If I'm going to pick a record off the shelf (or these days, hard drive), the last thing I think about is the nationality of the artist.
There are sop many artists around that once you come up with a theory, there will always be enough evidence to support it, conversely there will usually be an equally huge amount of evidence to argue against it but when you're writing a book it's easy to ignore it.
Frequent trips to USA
have yet to introduce me to the joys of American music magazines. Rolling Stone is a patch of its former self and is more than 50 percent adverts. I personally think British magazines are fawning (I prefer complimentary) of US music for one good reason. On the whole it is much better than ours currently. On the other hand most Americans I speak with think there is nothing better than the Led Zeppelin/Who heyday - witness the Who appearing in this years half time Superbowl even though they looked faintly ridiculous.
In terms of live music
there *is* nothing better than the Led Zeppelin/Who heyday and as both bands owed their success to continual Ameican touring, it's no surprise that our transatlantic cousins rate them so highly. Agree about the Superbowl travesty though- they really should have put it to bed when Entwistle died.
Try...
....Night Beat by Mikal (brother of Gary) Gilmore, one of the finest collections of rock writing I've read, with un-sniffy chapters on The Beatles, The Stones, UK punk and Sinead O'connor (OK, I know she's Irish) as well as many more on US artists.
Highly, highly recommended.
Does he mention
... The Adverts?
You're damn straight, Grant
Briish music should be for British people (OUR music as you call it.) For nothin', and admittedly "back in the day" we slavishly went to see (on their first US tours) U2,The Clash, The Jam, Elvis Costello, Human League, crikey, event the Sex Pistols... practically any old thing (good or bad) because it weren't local. Mah fren, you're just listening to one voice there. As for Rolling Stone? It's a bit closer to Heat than Trouser Press. Maybe someone would like to start the British National Playlist; or BNP for short. There's not us an them, buddy. Rest assured, your nation has contributed mightily to the global sum output of popular music. Punched well above your weight. And the world is very grateful. It's like listening to the late night Shipping Forcast that serves as a reminder of what a really really small little island I'm living on. Now I'll just wait for Underpants to come and take a pop at me.
Shipping forecast
Every time it says 'Occasional rain...' I can't help hearing 'Chili con carne, sparkling Champagne.'
ooh ooh wait
I'm going to need a run-up for this one...
Just
like
clockwork
..here it comes...
...I think you're right, Mate. The original post is one person's interpretation of one person's view. The US has been very supportive of British bands, to the point of keeping dreadful old music hall acts like Elton John and the Rolling Stones in business long after they should have crawled away in shame.
ZZZing!!!!
'Scuse me
while I kiss this guy...
Okay, maybe "our" music is a touch inflammatory
but it wasn't meant as a nationalist thing, merely any act that comes from this sceptered isle, for instance what is an American's take on the Unthanks, Bellowhead or Kate Rusby? Are they written about or appreciated in the same way that Gillian Welch, or Lucinda Williams is here?
Azerrad's voice is admittedly singular, but it's sniffiness annoyed me, which is why I was inquiring if our cousins across the pond retain this view. That is all.
At the moment...
it seems that if you are an American band playing soft pastoral folky music, have beards and look like extras on The Waltons - then you're going to get loads of coverage in the British music press.
Over the years the press in the UK has, with the odd exception, ignored rock music from Australia, New Zealand, Asia, Continental Europe, Scandinavia etc..."World" music is high profile but certainly not Rock and/or Pop.
You're so right
As a devoted goth, it depresses me no end (and we goths can get MIGHTY depressed) that the UK has such a blinkered view of music in Europe, where the goth/darkwave/industrial scene is thriving.
There isn't a hope in hell of the mighty Rammstein (the biggest-selling band ever to come out of Germany, selling millions and regularly touring the world) ever getting a sniff of widespread mainstream attention or airplay simply because they unapologetically sing in German. The kneejerk reaction is always: Ooh, Germans, World War Two, bombed our chipshop, etc, etc, zzzzzzzzz.
Yes, as anybody whose every holidayed in a typical tourist resort will testify, Spaniards, Italians and French do love a frothy throwaway bit of pop as much as the next Briton. But a glance at my collection also proves Europe can produce quite beautiful music: Arcana (Sweden), Dark Sanctuary (France), Within Temptation (Holland), Diary of Dreams (Germany), Lacrimosa (Austria), etc.
Not all great music is sung in English. Thankfully, the internet has truly opened up the world of music. If only more people realised how much great stuff goes on beyond Britain's borders...
Rammstein
Oh, I don't know...Rammstein's latest video sure got a lot of coverage on this Blog!
I think language is the all important factor though, I can't think of the last rock/pop band to get a lot of recognition that does not sing in English.
Maybe Dungen from Sweden? They got a bit of critical acclaim but certainly not any widespread coverage or sales.
I enjoy Rolling Stone
It may not be quite what it was, but it still comes up with the goods every once in a while, particulalry on the non music stuff.
The US rocknosgnenti,
don't always calling it right (Sonic Youth's stock in the US is now arguably higher than it is here), but they do offer us an important reality check. Michael Azerrad's main beef seems to be that the British half-inched punk, dressed it up, watered it down, and then quickly kidded themselves into believing that it was their invention, and he has got a point.
UK music began to tail off as important cultural and commercial proposition in the US in the late 1980's at the time when that self-delusion began to seriously eat away at both our critical distance and our musical ability.
The Americans could probably do little but laugh as we declared that Manchester was the musical capital of the world in 1988/89, when all it actually offered was reheated black gay club music from the mid-west, a drug that had been prevalent on the New York club scene for at least nine years, and a self-important Byrds tribute band with a tone-deaf vocalist who thought he was Jesus.
What's worse is that we tried it again with Britpop six years later, when a bunch of coked out mammy's boys genuinely believed that the US was finally ready for 14 mundane, parochial and indistinguishable buzzsaw hack-jobs of the same Beatles B-side.
The whole sorry state was summed up at the MTV US awards in 1996. The room was peppered with Hip-Hop stars at a time when the medium was coming to the middle-to-endish leg of its creative peak and the beginning of its commercial domination of the US music market. For many of those artists, the very notion of "keeping it real" wasn't a lifestyle option, as, for a tidy few, the career choices they faced were: a) sport; b) music; c) drugs; and d) death.
At one point, our friends Oasis wandered onto the stage, introduced by Dennis Miller if my memory serves me right. Riding high in the US album charts at no. 5, I think, they then attempted to give the collected forces of the US music industry a masterclass in the kind of petulance and arrogance that they clearly believed that these industry sharks and playas had never experienced before.
So, what did they do? In a room full of streetfighting moguls on one side and rappers who were on the comfiest of terms with gangbangers, lifers, murderers and dealing kingpins on the other, they decided to push the envelope by spitting their beer from the side of their mouths, and flicking the V's at the audience. Wow; was that really the best we had to offer?