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ImageSo it being British Pie week and these things being important apart from a mouth scalding late night Fray Bentos eaten in your pants while watching your "world at war" boxset dripping gravy on your laptop while you type a furious post about why "china Girl is so vastly underrated" what are the best pies and where can we buy them?

My nomination would go to Birkinshaws pork pies on Barnsley market: Had one yesterday wonderful mix of juicy pork flavoursome jelly and crisp tasty pastry and ridiculously good value at 80p.

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Barnsley market

The old one, I mean. That pie & pea stall. The finest pork pies, the best mushy peas you've ever tasted and huge jars of vinegar on the counter (the ONLY condiment to accompany this fine dish). Happy days.

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Chris | 4 March 2010 - 12:45pm

Oldfield's

Vinegar in pop bottles with a hole stabbed in the top, pie & peas served in chipped bowls and a mug of milky tea then up and over the hill to watch Ronnie Glavin & co.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be you know.

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Neil Dyson | 4 March 2010 - 4:30pm

nostalgia you say

I once helped clean up Ronnie Glavin's gym/garage for bob a job week!

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Chris G | 4 March 2010 - 5:38pm

Did you find

any of the other players' wives in there? Made John Terry look lightweight, allegedly.

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Chris | 4 March 2010 - 10:52pm

I always leave it till the last minute

and was up all night getting my Happy British Pie Week cards done and in the post this morning.

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MyAmericanMate | 4 March 2010 - 12:50pm

thanks postie has just

been it made me very hap-pie!

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Chris G | 4 March 2010 - 1:27pm

Glad you liked it

baked the cards meself.

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MyAmericanMate | 4 March 2010 - 1:58pm

I've heard

it's American Pie Week every week in Don McLean's house.

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Adman | 4 March 2010 - 5:26pm

A few years ago

I used to frequent Brown's Pie Shop and Restaurant in Lincoln whenever I was in the area.

Back in the day when I was a nipper in Wood Green my nan used to make a London Pie which if I recall was a minced beef pie with apples in. My local deli does a rather nice pork and apple pie that reminds me of it.

Eee. Pies.

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Ahh_Bisto | 4 March 2010 - 1:09pm

Birtwhistles

in Northwich do really good Meat and Potato, and Fruit pies. FPO's family live that way, so it's always nice to get one in when we go up there.

Also a big fan of Pie and Mash - ok the pies are fairly plain (just meat and gravy) but combined with mash, liquor and chilli vinegar, you're laughing. The Manzes in Tower Bridge road or Chapel Market are both good - never been brave enough to try the eels though...

Edit - wish I'd not given up pastry for Lent now...

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milkybarnick | 4 March 2010 - 1:31pm

Plested's Pies, East Street, Southampton

A proper pie shop. They make pies, they sell pies. Always a long queue outside at lunchtime. No such thing as a website. Just nice pies.

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Lenny Law | 4 March 2010 - 1:54pm

Brassington's

in Macclesfield used (and I suspect still do) a pie known only as "meat pie", served hot - with a lake of juice held in by the crust which runs down the chin of the careless. Utterly delicious despite their doubtful provenance. My mate's Dad called them "growlers" for some reason.

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Twangothan | 4 March 2010 - 2:18pm

Tha' cannot beat...

... a butter pie from Blackburn Market.

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Formbyman | 4 March 2010 - 2:54pm

I feel it should

be pointed out that the "pie" in the picture at the top fo the thread looks anything like a pie and resembles something far less appetising. It's that straggly 'cling-on' bit in the middle of the gravy that's creating the disturbing associations.

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Ahh_Bisto | 4 March 2010 - 3:22pm

You're right Bisto!!!

and it also looks like a turd.

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Formbyman | 4 March 2010 - 5:00pm

thanks for the photocritique

always try to use my own pics where possible and yes it's collapse pudding but a very tasty one from Newman's arms in London's fashionable London.

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Chris G | 4 March 2010 - 5:32pm

Bird's Eye Chicken Pies. Could Make A Dishonest Woman Of You

I'll never forget a pie I had in a pub in Lancaster. Hot gravy and mushy peas...mmmm. I'm dreaming of it right now.

Sadly, being a southerner pies aren't in my blood. The best ones definitely come from up north. I had a lovely meat and potato pie from a chip shop in Chesterfield once.

That said, my grandmother was from Wigan and made great pies. Her steak and kidney pudding was legendary.

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Five-Centres | 4 March 2010 - 3:32pm

Coward's Pies - Frodsham

Oh yes.

Clockwise from left:

Steak, Steak & Ale, Pork.

Other varieties are available.

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Paul Waring | 4 March 2010 - 3:49pm

Put them on a stick...

...and you have a Wigan Kebab.

EDIT: I had a pork pie from Yorkshire once which was peppered with chunks of black pudding. I dream about it sometimes. Made by Voakes.

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Richie B | 4 March 2010 - 4:03pm

Here's a good place

http://www.humblepienmash.com/home.html

Family run and small, and they do great pies of all sorts. Had a top notch steak pie last night with lovely big melting chuks of steak and nice gravy.

Had a haggis pie from there once too and it was absolutely delicious.

And up in parts of North Yorkshire, Petch's pies from Great Ayton aren't bad either; they do great chicken ones.

Hang on - I'm having an idea: if I get chance I might just be tempted to use this stuff on Google maps to create a pie atlas - unless someone beats me to it...

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illuminatus | 4 March 2010 - 4:07pm

There's a Pie and Mash shop in Greenwich

Only place in London you can still eat for 3 quid (ish). Mmmm, my mouth is watering ...

[Edit] It's closed.

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dai | 4 March 2010 - 4:16pm

walk 10 minutes up the road

to deptford high st (or get a 188 bus) and you have pie and mash at either Manzes or goddards (goddards was an offshoot of the greenwich shop they fell out emotional things pies)

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Chris G | 4 March 2010 - 5:36pm

Ye Olde Pastie Shoppe in Bolton

Even has it's own appreciation society on Facebook with 875 members

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5328234187

The owners are big Man City fans and it is not unusual to find the likes of Mike Summerbee in the back room having pie & peas. They once refused to hand over an order to Gary Neville until he promised to get a signed United football for a charity do.

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Beany | 4 March 2010 - 4:51pm

J Lord, Pie Shed, Huddersfield Market

Not the Deep Purple keyboardist (can I have a baroque 10-minute organ solo with that steak and ale pie?), Lord's pies have tasty, lean meat, no gristle or jelly, and crisp and crumbly pastry made with lard.

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Olthwaite | 4 March 2010 - 5:09pm

'Concerto for Pie and Orchestra'...

I'd buy that.

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Patrick Crowther | 4 March 2010 - 7:28pm

Urban Pie

Can anyone beat their Chicken Balti Pie?

The one in Brum has a great deal - all pies half price after 5pm!!

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el hombre malo | 4 March 2010 - 5:12pm

I've answered my own question

The Pie Minister is even better, actually, but I've not been down to Bristol for a while. Fantastically rich pies, steak and kidney with olives!! Mmmmmm.

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el hombre malo | 4 March 2010 - 5:15pm

Damn I miss that shop...

...No pies in Portland, as far as I can tell. There's this frozen chicken and veg thing in the shops, but that's about it. All the fruit pies are far too sweet for my palette, or cursed by industrial quantities of cinnamon.

I'm trying to master the shortcrust pastry recipe, but for something with only three ingredients, she's a cruel mistress, best when frigid.

Still, kneads must.

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nicktf | 4 March 2010 - 9:27pm

trick with pastry is

cold hands!

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Chris G | 4 March 2010 - 9:59pm

Flour, half the weight in whatever fat, pinch of salt, water.

Pulse the first three in a food processor. Cut in just enough water to bring it together and knead very lightly. The water will allow gluten in the flour to develop; handle the dough minimally after water has been added. Rest the dough in the fridge for at least an hour prior to rolling out. This allows the developed gluten to unclench a bit and minimises shrinkage. Rest the pastry again post-roll for the same reasons.

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Lenny Law | 4 March 2010 - 10:59pm

Yes,I'm thinking I need to let it rest more...

..impatience is a virus or something..

So, the fat. Just butter. half butter/lard, all marge? Inquiring minds need to know...

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nicktf | 5 March 2010 - 6:33am

Depends..

I use all butter for sweet things, half butter/half lard for savoury.

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Lenny Law | 5 March 2010 - 1:46pm

If you're ever unfortunate enough...

to find yourself in Arbroath the one thing that will make it bearable is Fleming the butchers individual steak & gravy pies.Dee-licious!

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bricameron | 4 March 2010 - 5:28pm

The Press Bar

My favourite Glasgow pub tends not to attract tourists. The core clientele for many years were journalists and related drouthy types from The Hersld next door. However, one Friday lunchtime a tourist wandered in, ordered a pint of lager, and tried to draw the taciturn barman into conversation. Without much success.

"your menu, it says you have pies and peas?"

*nod*

"what kind of pies are they?"

'roon wans'

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el hombre malo | 4 March 2010 - 5:42pm

Pie.

One of my very favourite words. Veggie or not, I don't think you can go far wrong with a product that has the word "PIE" emblazoned across its front in large friendly letters.

PIE!

Mmmmm, pie.

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Ipsie Dixit | 4 March 2010 - 8:14pm

Hmm.

"I don't think you can go far wrong with a product that has the word "PIE" emblazoned across its front in large friendly letters."

Neither do I. Apart from when the label also contains small, sly letters spelling words like "organic", "vegetable" and "gluten-free".

Not a pie. It's probably low in fat as well.

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Lenny Law | 4 March 2010 - 11:04pm
Ipsie Dixit | 4 March 2010 - 11:23pm

Pasties

The best "pies" are pasties.
Pies are sweet things, containing apples and blackberries.

Dragging in the general ignorance thread... I only recently found out Fray Bentos was a place, always having believed he was a pie-maker.

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borsuk | 4 March 2010 - 9:45pm

The best "pies" are pasties.

I'd agree with Borsuk's comment. I'm not normally a great fan of pies and have to find just the right one to appeal but something about pasties has always floated my boat. Beef, onion, potato, swede, salt and some shortcrust. A huge weakness of mine. Especially at train stations whilst a bit hungover. With too much tommie sauce. And a big cup of tea.

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Lenny Law | 4 March 2010 - 11:09pm

All this pie talkin' reminds ome..

of this, amongst other things

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/get+well/

or

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/pikea/

probably not NSFW, incidentally.

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illuminatus | 4 March 2010 - 10:54pm

Ridiculous! Snort!

not even Sheev could argue that China Girl is vastly under-rated

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Sheev | 4 March 2010 - 11:29pm

More pie fun

from John Cooper Clarke

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milkybarnick | 5 March 2010 - 8:17am
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