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University Challenge - Rock on!

Steerpike's picture

... was really good last night. The Oiks from Sheffield came from behind to beat (by the narrowest of margins and at the very last minute) the Toffs from Magdalene (pronounced 'Maudlin' ... dontcha know?) College Oxford.

I don't know about you lot but I always find myself cheering for the team from Scumbag college - usually comprised of a guy who looks like a bricklayer, a trendy indie girl, a tough guy who looks like he should have been in The Stranglers and a transvestite.

Last night was a corker and had me leaping up and down shouting encouragement like it was the World Cup or 'sumfink.

I love UC, I do. I like it when I get a question right and the GLW says 'Well done darlin'. I even like old grumpy bollocks Jeremy and his withering put downs. He is brilliant at ramping up the excitement as the end draws nigh and the score goes into meltdown.

Any other big fans amongst you?

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Yeah...

... my wife and I like it - we play our own little comp - but we do use the pause button to give ourselves more time to think. Last night's was one of the best I've ever seen.

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Formbyman | 25 January 2011 - 7:02pm

Love it. LOVE IT.

Always a timely reminder that I know fuck all about anything, and damn exciting too. I think the feeling of getting a few UC questions right might be one of the best things in life. Which tells you a lot about me, I suppose. :-\

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Bob | 25 January 2011 - 7:04pm

Double post.

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Bob | 25 January 2011 - 7:06pm

Never ever

miss it. I think I like the picture rounds best. Except when it's flags. Or stamps.

I'm usually pretty good on literature and art questions but useless at science.

I'm dying for a good Beatles music round. Spot the solo would be good. But then I'm also regularly shocked by the gaps in our finest minds' popular musical knowledge.

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eddie g | 25 January 2011 - 7:14pm

Grammar police

"comprising" not "comprised of"

100 lines next time

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Mousey | 25 January 2011 - 7:16pm

Yes indeed

quite so ... lose 5 points?

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Steerpike | 25 January 2011 - 7:33pm

I liked

learning last night where the word "gossip" comes from.

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Ahh_Bisto | 25 January 2011 - 7:25pm

So close (Spoiler alert for iPlayer viewers)

Did anyone notice when Sheffield were answering the bonus questions on Apples in Greek Mythology that the guy on the captain's left whispered Hesperides? The captain piped up don't know when the answer turned out to be right.

Golden rule of quizzes - never give a don't know if someone offers an answer.

I said to my wife the captain would get a good kicking if they lost by 5 pts.

That guy from Magdalen who incurred the 5 pt penalty on the final question must be wishing he kept his mouth shut. Mrs P piped up with Who would ever think Keats would write a poem to someone called Betsey.

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Carl Parker | 25 January 2011 - 7:29pm

And there was

no sympathy from his team mates. They wouldn't even look at him when the end credits rolled. Looks like mummy and daddy's money can't buy everything what what.

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jimmyshoes01 | 25 January 2011 - 8:03pm

Yep, I noticed that too

His captain was looking absolute daggers at him.

Love the programme even though, much like Only Connect, I don't get many questions right. In my defence, I only went to the local comp and Birmingham Poly.

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smudger | 25 January 2011 - 8:39pm

Don't watch UC

but your story reminds me of one of the best bits of television I've seen. There used to be an afternoon quiz on Channel 4 called Fifteen To One which required a decent amount of general knowledge but also had a tactical element where each contestant had lives and one player could put another on the spot with a view to eliminating them (thus the number of contestants remaining diminished from 15 down to One).
One week there was a terrific battle. On one side was an enormous geezer in a bandana (let's call him Séamus Blast) whose constant gum chewing and trigger buzzer finger made him appear like a cross between an extra from a Hell's Angels documentary and Terry, the Vietnam vet from True Blood. On the other side was an old codger, not unlike Unlucky Alf from The Fast Show. One by one all the other contestants fell by the wayside (with Séamus Blast looking more and more cocky) until only our two warriors were left.
And Blast was on his last life. And Alf had the question. And all Alf had to do was put Blast on the spot for a most unlikely tortoise vs (not Lucas)hare victory. But Alf took the question, and another til he ran out of lives and Blast won by default.
I think I looked at Alf the way that UC geezer's captain did.
Damn, it was exciting though!

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STD | 25 January 2011 - 9:10pm

Loved 15 to 1

One of my few (spurious) claims to fame is that Dad appeared on it (made the final 2 in his show) and also was on a Brain of Britain radio quiz way back when.

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sitheref2409 | 26 January 2011 - 2:30pm

It's that rarest of things

A quiz that's purely about the questions, not the personalities or the faux tension. And it's thirty minutes of content fitted into a thirty minute slot, instead of being stretched and diluted to an almost homeopathic extent. It's one of the few programmes I bother switching the TV on for.

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StuartReeves | 25 January 2011 - 7:30pm

Excellent point!

Zero filler, and genuine excitement when it's close. I love how even the voice-over guy gets super excited as the clock ticks down ("JESUS NAKAMURA!").

And even though I'm not British, I too find myself rooting for anyone but Oxbridge, though it's most likely pure jealousy than anything else. Sadly enough, I'm more willing to root for the Oxbridge teams if they say they're "studying" something rather than "reading" it. "Read this, mo**********..."

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burncoat | 25 January 2011 - 11:26pm

Jesus Nakamura

TMFTL!

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Vulpes Vulpes | 26 January 2011 - 12:00pm

Asking the questions... Bamber Gascoigne!

I love UC, one of the few programmes I never miss (thank gawd for the iplayer, I work on Monday evenings). I still have one gripe, which I've had ever since it was relaunched, and that is the supercilious hectoring of Paxman. With Bamber, the personification of elegance, the only editorialising we got was "Bad luck Scumbag, just behind on the buzzer there" and "I'll have to hurry you." Paxman? Well, I have to disagree Stuart, it's far too much about him for my liking. We get "Come on!" in that peevish voice; we get "No, that was much later!" [translation: I know a lot of stuff]; we get pantomime expressions of disbelief. I wish he'd play it straight. That other renowned "rottweiler" gets it just right on Mastermind.

BTW, boo to the OP for the spoiler!

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Rosbif | 25 January 2011 - 7:56pm

Sincere apologies for the spoiler

Thoughtless rather than malicious

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Steerpike | 25 January 2011 - 8:10pm

I still automatically

think the words "Bamber Gascoigne" when i hear the phrase "asking the questions...". Totally agree with the above comments about Paxo - have you noticed how he leers or flirts if there happens to be an attractive woman on one of the teams?

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Humphrey Plugg | 26 January 2011 - 12:40pm

I once spent forty minutes staring at the back of...

Bamber Gasgoine's head. He was sitting in front of me at my aunt's funeral.

His series 'The Christians' is excellent, by the way.

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Patrick Crowther | 26 January 2011 - 11:32pm

A fan

I like it.

I like knowing there is so much out there I have no clue about. Maths, for instance. 'What would be the cube root of the prime numeral following on from a quadratic delta of -7 on the first Tuesday after Whitsun? Come onn!!'

Oddly I find it comforting to know I have a head full of porridge.

Equally on occasion I do know the answer to some of the literary questions and quietly mumble it first to swoons from Mrs Beezer.

Particularly like the music questions where none of them have a clue who the composer is and 'Mozart' is repeated relentlessly until it's the correct answer.

Marvellously straightforward telly.

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Beezer | 25 January 2011 - 7:58pm

Love it but

the thing that burns me up is the way Paxo is soooo patronising and sycophantic to all the Camford (or is it Oxbridge) colleges. Particularly his alma mater Cambridge. Oiks win and it's "Well Cambridge you put up a mighty mighty battle and should have won. Oiks, we'll see you in the finals". Watch for it.

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MyAmericanMate | 25 January 2011 - 7:59pm

I always watch for that too.

Was disappointed to find him being very complimentary and pally with the Greater London College of Potato Printing the other week though... almost felt as though I was the one being prejudiced and snobbish towards him. The inbred twerp.

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murrance | 26 January 2011 - 2:07pm

It's a great show

because it is people being intelligent and not trying to get laughs about their take on current affairs or having a stab in the dark at multiple choice. While there is room for all three University Challenge should never be threatened with the axe again otherwise I've got to watch Only Connect and try and be clever while staring at Coren's tits (thanks for that gag Andy Gray)

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jimmyshoes01 | 25 January 2011 - 8:05pm

How do you play along to University Challenge?

Me, I just try to answer all the questions asked in the entire programme, in real time before either team give their answer. I keep a running total, and compare week with week. My best score was 19 correct answers. Very tense.

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sirbedivere | 25 January 2011 - 8:06pm

Don't like to blow

my own trumpet (although like any red blooded male I'm tempted) but I've been on UC. Mind you I was much cleverer then.

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Ozmium | 25 January 2011 - 9:56pm

You are not alone

They couldn't shut me up in the rehearsal - but in the real thing, I answered three and got one right.

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PeteWingrave | 25 January 2011 - 11:47pm

I was an undergrad

in the days before it came back. I was gutted.

I usually watch, and do relatively well, but missed last night; pity. Looks like an iPlayer visit at some point. And, together with Mastermind (which is, however, getting way easier) and Only Connect, it's nice to see quiz programmes that don't insult the intelligence. I still miss Fifteen to One though. I did pretty well at the audition, and still didn't get on :(

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illuminatus | 26 January 2011 - 12:03am

Another one

here who was in a team which had made it through the selection process (we thought) to go forward to the auditions, only for the BBC to sabotage our dreams by axing the programme. Petty, I call that.

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Topical Tim | 26 January 2011 - 9:48am

Anyone else

find Only Connect's use of Greek letters a bit pretentious?

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Fraser M | 26 January 2011 - 11:50am

*whispers*

I find "Only Connect" really, really dull. I like the premise, but it's so lacking in tension or atmosphere. And yes, re. the Greek letters.

And I say this as someone who is actually IN LOVE with Victoria Coren. As in I LOVE HER. And who wouldn't?

Any excuse to post that.

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Bob | 26 January 2011 - 11:55am

Phwoaaarrr. Thinking man's crumpet.

Bugger. Am I sacked now?

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Vulpes Vulpes | 26 January 2011 - 12:04pm

Passé

There were some complaints about this so they ditched the Greek letters

And replaced them with hieroglyphs instead. Which was worth a chuckle

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illuminatus | 26 January 2011 - 12:31pm

She may be good looking

but she comes across as one of the most personality-free TV presenters I've ever seen. So dull she makes Father Paul Stone interesting

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Humphrey Plugg | 26 January 2011 - 12:47pm

Haha.

Father Paul Stone. An up, just for that.

I know what you mean - I find her dull on Only Connect. But she's a great Tweeter when she's not on about poker, and she's acquitted herself really well on HIGNFY in the past. So I think it's just OC's format that does her no favours.

Did I mention I LOVE HER?

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Bob | 26 January 2011 - 12:50pm

To be slightly fair

to Ms Coren, she has got to try the banter with the most personality free people on TV.
They should also drop that last round, it's Take A Break dressed in pretension.

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jimmyshoes01 | 26 January 2011 - 1:00pm

The piece

she wrote about her father's death was extremely moving without ever trying to be so.

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Ahh_Bisto | 26 January 2011 - 10:15pm

Yep, me too

Back in 1998-9. We got to the second round after a playoff.

It was bloody brilliant, the tension is really there. What you see on the telly is pretty much what happens in the recording (save for a couple of pickups). Jeremy Paxman is a good guy too.

Here's another cracking quiz - this should be brought back.

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milkybarnick | 26 January 2011 - 12:26am

I knew I'd get on with my cousin's fella...

... when he mentioned the name Bill McKaig.

I represented Bury on ITV Sport Channel quiz Do I Not Know That, hosted by Simon "Damon from Brookside" O'Brien. Fun times.

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JamesB | 26 January 2011 - 12:35am

Great regrets in life.

Missed the bloody audition for UC when I was at uni. Still, my place won the series when I was there, which makes me think that if I'd actually got on the team, I would've just fucked it up for them.

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Bob | 26 January 2011 - 10:42am

I love it too

However, my one gripe with the 'new' UC is that they now use the camera to pan away at the end so you can see the two teams sitting side by side.

NO!

I like to imagine (Young Ones style) that they are on top of each other (in the manner of Celebrity Squares or Lenny Bennett's Punchlines) and do not wish the magic of television to be spoiled by this thoughtless bit of camera action.

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JoLean | 25 January 2011 - 10:15pm

I'm with you there

it was a real disappointment in my early life to find that one team didn't have to clamber up a ladder. In those days the final shot, of course, cut straight to the audience who generally looked like they hadn't washed for months (a "before" shot for a group Clearasil challenge) surrounded by various scarves and mascots. Mainly Gonks I seem to remember.

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el toro calvo grande | 26 January 2011 - 10:43am

Proudest journalistic moment

Interviewing team captain Henry Pertinez - complete with his comedy Beelzebub beard - outside the University of Manchester in 2009 after they were awarded the title by default.

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JamesB | 25 January 2011 - 11:27pm

love it...

I was on the Irish version of it yonks ago; my main contribution was the bonus round which was all about the various incarnations of Quentin (Norman) Cook.

One thing that pisses me off about the current incarnation of UC is when Paxo gives the average age of the team; it's bad enough feeling thick - it's a sod of lot worse when it seems like a bunch of tweenies administering the psychological ass-whupping.

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ivan | 25 January 2011 - 11:50pm

I heart UC

Though I haven't seen it for a few weeks, sadly.

One thing I've noticed though, that in the bonus round when there are three questions, the answer to the last question is nearly always the obvious answer.

If the category is Spanish painters or 19th Century Prime Ministers, before the questions are asked, thing of the most obvious/well-known example of someone in that category. More often than not, that's the answer to the third of the three questions.

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Joe R | 26 January 2011 - 10:16am

Love it

but it clashes with EastEnders.

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Five-Centres | 26 January 2011 - 11:57am

Missed the heats for team selection.

Probably in the Union bar at the time. Went to the Granada studios in the minibus to provide audience support though. Sadly we got thrashed in the first round. Had a slash between filmings (they used to do two shows in each session - not sure if the Beeb do it that way anymore) and found myself standing next to the mighty Bamber. As we washed our hands he surmised that I was with the losing side and remarked, "Bad luck there", when in truth we had been ignominiously destroyed. Nice chap.

UC is the only television programme I make a serious effort to watch as it goes out each week. It has me on the edge of my seat most weeks, even if it's a thrashing, because it's the only quiz show with genuinely difficult questions that cover a properly wide range of subjects.

I'd happily pay my TV licence fee to secure this show alone.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 26 January 2011 - 12:12pm

This weeks was a classic finale

Would have been rejected as implausible if scripted

I know nothing about maths / science/ nature/classical music but curiously find that in my small handful of correct answers I often get one no - one does ( usually literature or politics )

More sports questions would help

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bilko6 | 26 January 2011 - 12:28pm

I think those at Sheffield might be slightly alarmed

at your 'Scumbag College' allusion. A Russell Group institution Ranked 8th in the country is only slightly less difficult to get into than an Oxbridge college.

Have they ever justified not switching to one team per university rather than letting Oxbridge colleges in? Presumably this squeezes out other whole universities

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clarker | 26 January 2011 - 1:11pm

And also...

...I don't understand why Oxbridge even get this distinction. It's not like they're the only collegiate university in the country. What about Durham and York, to name but two (and yeah, I know those collegiate systems are slightly different from each other and Oxbridge)?

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Bob | 26 January 2011 - 1:13pm

I suspect...

...that the answer is that a single Oxford or Cambridge team would wipe the floor with everybody else.

There have been 39 series of University Challenge, and 21 have been won by an Oxbridge team (14 Oxford, 7 Cambridge). The highest number of victories by a non-Oxbridge team is two, shared by five universities. Both University College, Oxford and Keble College, Oxford have won it twice, and Magdalen College, Oxford have won it three times.

Corpus Christi College, Oxford, which has about 230 undergraduates, won University Challenge in 2005, beating University College London (almost 12,000 undergraduates) and again in 2009, when they were disqualified on a technicality and the title was awarded to Manchester University (27,000 undergraduates).

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Inky Fingers | 26 January 2011 - 8:40pm

Yes but

in those 39 series, what proportion of the teams were from Oxford or Cambridge. In reality, because they have more participants in a competition of teams of 'roughly' equal ability (especially after the earlier rounds winnow the very weakest out). You'd expect, even by luck, a larger number of Oxbridge winners just because of the bias in the sample. Just over half of the series have been won by Oxbridge. They may, on average be slightly better, but "wiping the floor" might be stetching it a touch.

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illuminatus | 27 January 2011 - 11:33pm

There are...

...28 teams in each series. I don't know how those 28 are selected. According to Wikipedia 'Oxford and Cambridge can each enter up to five of their colleges as separate teams.' I don't know how those are selected, either.

I'm puzzled by your phrase 'even by luck'. How much luck is there over a series of University Challenge? Since Jeremy Paxman took over in 1994, there have been 17* Oxbridge finalists in 16 finals. That's a lot of luck.

(*including the disqualified Corpus Christi team)

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Inky Fingers | 28 January 2011 - 9:06am

The 'Scumbag' reference

alludes to the classic 'Young Ones' episode and is in no way intended as a slur on what I am sure is a very fine institution. Sheffield didn't even need any questions about Toxteth O'Grady to secure their win.

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Steerpike | 26 January 2011 - 1:40pm

Toxteth O'Grady?

Haven't seen this week's yet (though I now know the result!) but assume this is a reference to Paul O'Grady.

Firstly Paul O'Grady is from Birkenhead. Secondly, it's a very lazy stereotypical reference (ooh, they had a riot there 30 years ago!) presumably meant to allude to Mr O'Grady's working class background.

Sorry if this comes over as a bit over-serious in a light hearted discussion, but as I live on the edge of Toxteth I do get annoyed by this constant and quite dated reference

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Humphrey Plugg | 26 January 2011 - 2:11pm

Ummm, Humph....

It's just a Young Ones reference...

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Bob | 26 January 2011 - 2:36pm

Lest we forget

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Steerpike | 26 January 2011 - 2:58pm

Toxteth makes his appearance at 3:50

... nothing to do with the riots.

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Steerpike | 26 January 2011 - 3:01pm

Sorry!

I stand corrected, apologies. In my (slight) defence I haven't seen the Young Ones in years

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Humphrey Plugg | 26 January 2011 - 8:06pm

University Challenge book 2010

I read this as the UC season started and found that the some of the questions in this series were in there. Even better than answering the questions, I could say what the next question was going to be. Admiration from partner.
I confessed later

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hubertrawlinson | 26 January 2011 - 8:29pm

Well

I think the Oxbridge college thing is that each college is actually a teaching institution in its own right, whereas at other unis with a college system, such as York (where I work) you are allocated a college mostly for residential/social reasons, but teaching is done by university departments.

I find the changes to the game in the last year or so disappointing, because after the semis the same teams just play over and over again. It was such a close finish on Monday yet Magdalen aren't out yet, they will play another losing team and it just seems never-ending !

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Janice | 26 January 2011 - 9:37pm

I agree

It's tough losing by such a tight margin, but that's how these things work.

In the current system Sheffield may yet fail to get through to the quarters, despite this magnificent win.

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Carl Parker | 26 January 2011 - 9:41pm

Karl

Marx.

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badartdog | 26 January 2011 - 10:09pm

Trotsky

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Ozmium | 26 January 2011 - 10:18pm

UC/10 O'Clock Show intersection

Fact: Kwasi Kwarteng, the Conservative MP who appeared on the 10OCS last week (in the discussion about the banking industry), was on UC as a student. It's not a name easily forgotten, as I'm pretty sure his team won the series. In fact I can name two of the others: Eric Gray and Robin Bhattacharya. Useful info, eh?

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Rosbif | 26 January 2011 - 10:53pm

Don't know about useful

more like frightening.

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Carl Parker | 26 January 2011 - 11:28pm

I never forgot Robin

I never forgot Robin Bhattacharya either. Odd.

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JamesB | 27 January 2011 - 12:10am
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