The Underrated
In light of other recent posts celebrating hidden album gems, and expressing dislike for unfathomly successful acts, I thought it was an appropriate moment to start a poll to toast some of the most criminally underrated bands of all time - those who have slogged away, perfected their craft, and have entertained (and indeed continue to entertain in some cases) whilst never getting the break they so wholeheartedly deserve. I'll get things rolling with:
XTC - genius songsmiths, wonderful eclectic array of perfectly crafted albums. Should be as big as The Beatles (or The Who at the very least).
The Wildhearts - helped themselves into this position by repeatedly pressing their self-destruction button, but have put out the best heavy rock of the past 20 years. Ginger is a prolific songwriting master.
Super Furry Animals - not sure if their current status bothers them, but I think their unique eclectic musical blend deserves a much wider promotional platform.
Cooper Temple Clause - great debut album, superb live act, unpromoted, unloved by A&R, got dropped, disbanded, reformed, new label, great second album, great live act...hope they break the cycle this time round.
Mansun - didn't live in London, didn't suck the corporate cock and so their outstanding live performances and 4 terrific studio albums were doomed to be a distant memory.
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Super Furry Animals
I'm with you on them. A few years back myself and a group of friends were talking bands in the pub and it turned out that all of us loved SFA. But, strangely, none of us knew the others liked them. They were almost like some sort of secret gang. And, after this discovery we went to see them at Brixton together, and lo and behold, found other friends turning up to see them. There were about twenty of us in the end.
One of my friends likened it to wife-swapping. Lots of people do it, but often the neighbours have no idea.
The Prisoners, Graham Day & The Gaolers etc etc
The Prisoners, for those who've never heard of them, were an early 80s 60's/psych/mod/freakbeat type of thing. They came across as a mix of Small Faces, Hendrix, Deep Purple, The Doors and the whole Nuggets type of thing. All played with a ferocious punk energy.
Graham Day was the singer/guitarist/songwriter, although the others got writing credits, especially on their groovy instrumentals. The keyboard player was one James Taylor, who went on to form The James Taylor Quartet. The Prisoners went on for a few years, released four albums and then split. Graham Day went on through several other bands, The Prime Movers, The Gift Horses, The Solarflares and finally his current band Graham Day & The Gaolers. All have been cut from the same cloth, a particularly singular furrow, but one built around solid songwriting.
The Prisoners were pretty influential for a band that never had any major success. Both The Charlatans and Kula Shaker for instance owed most of their sound to The Prisoners. Interestingly Martin Blunt of The Charlatans came from the same Mod/60s scene back in the 80s and toured with The Prisoners and formed a band with Graham Day that later became The Charlatans....And as for Kula Shaker's version of 'Hush'...guess what was a staple of The Prisoners' live set?
I wrote an NME cover feature about Cooper Temple Clause
The trouble with them was, they weren't over-poweringly charismatic, then Kasabian came along and did everything they were doing better with more silk scarves and "attitood".
I'm not sure that
Kasabian did do it better. They sound anaemic compared to Cooper Temple Clause in full flight.
Take your point about silk scarves though.
The Wildhearts
I don't think the Wildhearts were overated at all. They played on Top of the Pops, they headlined Reading (I seem to recall) and they adorned the front of Kerrang more times than Funeral For a Freind have had hot dinners. I've been to see them tonnes of times and the gigs have always been packed out with adoring fans. The only thing that has ever held them back is the band members themselves. Overdosing, fighting, drinking, splitting up, reforming and releasing terrible turgid drivel like Endless Nameless ensured they were never going to make it to the top of the rock and roll ladder.
The Wildhearts
Totally agree with you, Niks. In my opinion, The Wildhearts are totally underrated. They have longevity, integrity, a fab songwriter in Ginger and they're totally down to earth lovely guys. I have one tattoo on my bod, and it's The Wildhearts' logo. They're a fantastic band and I've seen them loads of times all over the UK.
The Wildhearts
You're quite right that they aren't over-rated, which is how they come to find themselves in a list of most underrated bands. ;)
Alas, they've never yet managed the dizzying heights of headlining Reading; a couple of late afternoon slots 10 years apart are the best they've had. They are pretty high up at Download this year though.
They're pretty stable now; independent and seemingly indestructible, with a new album out later this month.
Oh, and Endless, Nameless is a great album.
Johnny Rivers
Johnny Rivers
Much support for Johnny Rivers. Have just digitised three of my old LPs and enjoyed them immensely. As well as doing covers of well known songs he also introduced material from some great songwriters, including Jimmy Webb and Gram Parsons.
The Godfathers should have
The Godfathers should have been huge.
What really held Mansun back was their utter crapness.
Love The Godfathers
This Damn Nation gets played in my house at least once a week!
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xtc
Without a doubt, I dont know if they are underrated, everyone I know likes them..they missed out for sure with Andy's refusal to tour and their appalling treatment by Virgin. But then again without all the chaos we would never have had "Apple Venus" the best record by a mile in the last 10 (or more) years. The great thing about this album is if we have people over and we put this on it always provokes a "who's this " reaction. A superb record.
Xtc
Love them dearly. They were a band I was aware of in my teens growing up in the eighties, bought the odd single but never albums. I bought Skylarking in the Summer of 1999 on a whim, just moved in with my then girlfriend, now wife and had an epiphany. By the end of that year I'd bought everything they'd ever recorded and went a bit obsessive about them for a short while. Anyhow, nine years on I still listen to them on a very regular basis and wait with baited breath for the next new material from Andy Partridge.
Next new material...
...from Andy Partridge?
Isn't he on the new PUGWASH album?
Is he?
Thank you.
Here's some more...
... info for you Steve:
It seems he co-wrote two tracks on the album.
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/day-and-night/music/pugwash-1324...
Ta!
Nicodemus - ta for the info, I appreciate it.
A House
Never seem to hear anything of them but they were never anything less than interesting and their best moments were simply excellent.
and
Totally agree.
100%.
great tracks...
many thanks for the heads-up.
A House
Recommend I am the Greatest and Wide Eyed and Ignorant as the 2 albums to investigate. But all good stuff really.
Agree
Saw Dave Couse in The Waterrats, 'round the corner from Word Towers in 2006. Great gig. He did yet another version of Endless Art, comprising of all the people who had died since the original single came out. Mighty affecting. "Ray Charles 1930-2004, Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash, Peter Cook & Dudley Moore, RIP" and so on... He was plugging a solo album which his manager was selling out of a box for a £10: Batman & Robin, the single, became my happy song of the summer...
XTC...
...are a band that lots of people seem to really love (and in the case of 'Skylarking', it's an album that I wonder who could actually take a serious dislike to it, but it didn't even register sales-wise in the UK) yet often gets labelled 'underrated'.
I have Mansun's 'Six' somewhere and it's undeniably an interesting listen, especially compared to some of the lauded British rock of that era (and this era too, come to it!). Same goes for Super Furry Animals, and another Welsh act, the now-defunct Gorky's Zygotic Mwnci.
I nominate a few bands that are favourites of mine that if they are mentioned, are only ever knocked. I know there's quite a few fans of Hogarth-era Marillion on this site (but I enjoy the Fish albums too) so they are my first nomination. I recommend their 1995 album 'Afraid Of Sunlight'- there was a Q magazine review of that album which said that if it had been recorded by anyone else, it would have been praised to the high heavens as being one of the best albums ever made. This was clearly in the days when Q would give more than one or two star reviews to their albums and resort to cheap jibes instead of reviewing the album.
My second is Barclay James Harvest. How ironic it is that they get knocked for being Moody Blues clones when I not only play BJH more than The Moody Blues, but I find their work has stood the test of time better. They could be labelled progressive rock but they definitely owed as much to West Coast/country rock bands as the UK progressive acts in their overall sound.
great nominations JJ...
...haven't listened to BJH for some time. must dig them out again.
Boat to Bolivia
Martin Stephenson, with and without the Daintees, deserves to be heard by anyone with a discerning ear, and has been for the past 20 years. Still enjoying life in the wilds of Scotland, touring to his own schedule and releasing records full of poignancy and wit, if you can find them. Well worth a Word profile.
underrated
Only cottoned on to the website a couple of months ago so for all I know you may all be rabid Peter Case afficianados,but I haven't seen him mentioned so far.IMHO "The Man With the Blue Postmodern......" is an alltime great album.Can't see how anyone without cloth ears could fail to appreciate it's wonders.
underrated
Only cottoned on to the website a couple of months ago so for all I know you may all be rabid Peter Case afficianados,but I haven't seen him mentioned so far.IMHO "The Man With the Blue Postmodern......" is an alltime great album.Can't see how anyone without cloth ears could fail to appreciate it's wonders.
Underrated or ingored?
I'm not sure if there's a difference between underrated and ignored. The Distractions were underrated but that seems to be because they were largely ignored. Ditto, The Records, The Waitresses and WIN.
Some solo artists that seem to have slipped under the wire include Amy Rigby and Chris Mills - both hugely talented singer songwriters.
Underrated
I agree with Geoff Washington, Martin Stephenson was/is desperately underrated. He sort of nearly made it and had a bit of critical acclaim in the 80s but disbanded the Daintees and disappeared off the radar as far as I'm concerned. His shows were great fun - really inclusive, warm and funny.
My other candidates for chronic underrating must be The Egg. They can be truly amazing as a live experience and their last album - Forwards - is a true classic. Despite reaching no3 in the charts in the guise of David Guetta vs The Egg (which was a mash up of a remix, which probably featured barely a note of their music!) and a certain ubiquity in the Citroen ad (the one with the ice skating robot), they seem doomed to obscurity.
Martin Stephenson - still alive and gigging!
Martin Stephenson is very definitely a going concern - small gigs up and down the UK, loads near his home in scotland, and is probably just on his way back from a tour in Australia as we communicate, in fact. Also a regular visitor to the US of A. His shows are still a warm and smile-enducing experience, as are his latter-day records - see Am*z*n. He has a ropey website - www.daintees.com - but it does list upcoming shows. Go and renew your acquaintance - and have a chat with him afterwards. I have the feeling he's a lot happier now than when he was on the brink of big things.
Martin Stephenson
I might just do that - I've always preferred the small and intimate type of gig, so I'll look out for him next time he's down my way.