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Twitter - I don't get it. Help me understand

Uncle Wheaty's picture

I don't see the point of it. I would consider myself as fairly media savvy but this one has gone over my head.

Ami I missing something?

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new

Funny enough I have just joined it to follow John shuttleworth but I cant make head nor tail it either.

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paintyface | 22 June 2009 - 11:44pm

Charlie

Charlie Brooker described Twitter as the on-line equivalent to popping bubble wrap.

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rowlandwithaw | 25 June 2009 - 4:10pm

There is nothing to miss

I've looked, I've tried it, I've tried to "follow" others (no-marks as well as celebs) to no avail. I find it utterly pointless.

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billyous | 22 June 2009 - 11:53pm

This won't help

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Peter Hilgendorf | 22 June 2009 - 11:58pm

Dunno about see larger

It makes me want to see lager. In large quantities. And bitter. And wine. make it go away.

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Retropath2 | 23 June 2009 - 7:58am

which ?

Twitter ? Or the picture ?

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el hombre malo | 23 June 2009 - 8:19am

Its more use for celebs,

Its more use for celebs, bands, media types etc who want to keep their fanbase up to date with news etc. Not that much fun for Joe Public, yet more noise to wade through along with all the texts, emails, phone messages, blog posts, forum posts. Fun to browse occasionally, but if after a while you realise you know about what is happening in Andrew Collins' life than your own mother...time to log off!

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Dr Volume | 23 June 2009 - 12:41am

Mr Collins

To be fair to the frequently maligned Mr Collins, he tried Twitter for 24 hours, came to the same conclusion as UncleWheaty and then deleted his account.

In his blog about this (Thu 19 Feb 09, if you're interested) he wrote: "My own personal opinion is that Twitter is a passing fad for stalkers, narcissists and people who talk to themselves. I am all three of those things, which is why I am confident that I am correct."

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Red Umpire | 23 June 2009 - 10:12am

He is on it again and posting regularly though

so he may have reconsidered.

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Leedsboy | 23 June 2009 - 11:13am

Oh, OK

Wonder why he changed his mind?

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Red Umpire | 23 June 2009 - 11:21am

I'll tweet him and ask.

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Leedsboy | 23 June 2009 - 1:50pm

Response below

CollingsA@Leeds_Boy I mistakenly believed it was only for stalkers and narcissists. There's a middle ground of non-stalkers and only mild narcissists

Now isn't that, in itself, an example of the positive side of Twitter (albeit it small)?

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Leedsboy | 23 June 2009 - 2:28pm

That is

actually quite impressive!

Thanks Lee.

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Red Umpire | 23 June 2009 - 4:57pm

Mr Collins

is a good example of why Twitter is great. He reads and responds and isn't just aiming himself at building a big old group of followers. Follow people like that and it is amazing how many interesting, thought provoking and useful things you'll see. And that's without being addicted to it but just keeping an eye on it when you have a moment spare.

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Leedsboy | 23 June 2009 - 5:10pm

I can only imagine that it's for people who want to be texted by

E. L. Wisty one hundred and twenty times a day. "What a boring day. I didn't even go to the lavatory."

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Robin Clarke | 23 June 2009 - 2:59am

thank you!

i've just tweeted that

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Rob Fitzpatrick | 23 June 2009 - 10:52am

Past tense..

If a sitter has sat... Twitter has twat?

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mattmuso | 25 June 2009 - 8:33pm

Good v Bad

Depends what you want out of it. If you are following fellow Word worthies and writers you get more of the same tea-splurging-onto-monitor moments. Or even entered into a free draw to win Holland's Pies for a year. Twitpics and blogs from Japan. Links to music. Word Magazine reaching the top of the Trending Topics chart with some #ludicroustopic

Biggest bore is disposing of the daily messages from "hey! Look how to get 300 followers daily!" or "you are being followed by JYIDR189slut". You just follow who you want and forget that Stephen Fry and Wossie are on Twitter. You must follow DrSamuelJohnson though. It's the law.

Quality not quantity. Short and sweet.

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Beany | 23 June 2009 - 7:06am

What he said...

The keys to Twitter are:

The brevity of the tweets. Brevity is the soul of wit, and there are few day-to-day ideas that can't be communicated pithily in 140 characters by suitably witty / erudite people.

The ability to choose who you follow and who follows you. Someone's tweets irritating you? Stop following them. A spammer starts following you? Block them. Be ruthless, and you'll soon have a feed that suits you (unless there really is no way it will ever appeal to you in any form).

The ability to see who someone else is following - a great way to find mutual friends, interesting slebs (they do exist), and good "joke" feeds such as DrSamuelJohnson and Viz Top Tips.

My favourite "celebrity" feed at present is Little Boots - she tweets just often enough, and it's fascinating to track the promotional whirlwind that someone so media-hyped gets caught up in. Also interesting to wonder just when she'll realise exactly who is really paying for all these costumes and video shoots. Bit of a morbid fascination, there!

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Paul Vincent | 23 June 2009 - 9:03am

follow Yoko

and you get a direct message from her. That's made it worth it for me

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Mousey | 23 June 2009 - 9:46am

Even if you tweet. . .

"Witch! You killed Beatles Band!"?

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Archie Valparaiso | 23 June 2009 - 9:51am

Try it Archie

...in the spirit of research.

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Paul Vincent | 23 June 2009 - 10:22am

Leave it to the experts

We're all a bit old and bitter to iscuss this from an objective perspective so I think it would be better to steal a few results of the hardworking boardmembers at B3TA who are all young, hyperconnected and surfing the zeitgeist.

http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/twitter/

There's a good few very funny images here and I can't be arsed to paste 'em all in here. Go see for yourselves.

I do have to say, though, that a few broadcasters and journalists who I otherwise admire seem to be addicted to tweeting. It strikes me as the most pointless, timewasting, narcissistic and egotistical exercise that this era has yet thrown up. I give it another three months, tops, before it dies a quiet death.

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Lenny Law | 23 June 2009 - 10:44am

*ahem*

"I give it another three months, tops, before it dies a quiet death."

Care to make a bet on that?

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 10:49am

Aha! A little sport!

Name the stakes, sir!

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Lenny Law | 23 June 2009 - 12:17pm

Name the stakes?

That's hardly fair on you, is it? The odds against Twitter disappearing, when it's grown month-over-month for over three years (700% in 2007, 1300% in 2008), with the graph still heading upwards, make it almost impossible for me to be wrong. How much can you afford?

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 12:31pm

MySpace

That had similar growth didn't it? Isn't that all-but-dead for non-music-based accounts? Not a rhetorical question, isn't that seen as passe?

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kb | 23 June 2009 - 1:49pm

No

MySpace's growth was much slower, as was Facebook's. And despite being seen as passe, MySpace's traffic has continued to climb (albeit very slowly these days).

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 1:57pm

The future

Thanks. I guess the point the original guy (the one about to send you a large cheque) was making that we all used to search* on various things, now we all Google. I genuinely cannot see the point of Yahoo having a search facility or of Ask Jeeves advertising on TV. The same will happen with social networking, surely?

* notwithstanding your earlier Setanta point

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kb | 23 June 2009 - 2:10pm

I'm sure

*something* will come along to replace Twitter, and the speed with which these things take off is faster than it used to be, but it still takes time. Twitter has been around for three years, but only exploded past the early adopter stage in the last 12 months. Facebook was last year's thing, but launched in 2004. And it probably took Google five years to get to number one.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 2:37pm

I stand by my comments

And what about Friends Reunited? A similar five-minute wonder. You do have to wonder about something with a name halfway between Twat and Shitter.

Twitter is yet another pointless distraction although the three months bit might be overoptomistic. Say six. If I'm wrong I'll force myself to listen to an entire Belle and Sebastien CD.

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Lenny Law | 23 June 2009 - 5:19pm

OK

That would be the Friends Reunited that made a £22,000,000 profit in 2007? Not bad for a five-minute-wonder...

I'll get back to you in December. If Twitter has died, you can have my collection of Belle & Sebastien CDs.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 5:26pm

Wouldn't you say

that's a bit of a lose/lose situation for poor lennylaw, Fraser?

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nigelthebald | 23 June 2009 - 6:33pm

Naah

He can make a profit on eBay.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 7:01pm

eBay?

Buying second hand stuff from people you don't know? Never catch on, mate. Sorry.

ps Belle and Sebastian, fey indie popsters from Scotland? What are the chances? etc etc

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skirky | 23 June 2009 - 7:25pm

Ebay

I bet you that never catches on.

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Leedsboy | 23 June 2009 - 7:33pm

Friends Reunited..

"That would be the Friends Reunited that made a £22,000,000 profit in 2007? Not bad for a five-minute-wonder..."

Er.. I believe that was the revenues, not the profit. Revenues dropped to £18m in 2008. ITV tried to flog it for £20m earlier this year, bearing in mind they'd paid £176m for it in 2006. Which is great business for the people who came up with it but does rather prove my five-minute wonder point.

Twitter will do the same, running for a while and being wildly sucessful whilst not actually making any money, be flogged at enormous profit to Google / Yahoo / AOL / Microsoft or whoever and will quietly shrivel whilst the inventors run off into the sunset to roll around in piles of fifties whilst licking whipped cream from the breasts of supermodels. Actually, they're computer geeks. They'll probably just go and buy a load of signed Terry Pratchett first editions or something. Anyway. All power to them.

Tweet all you like, good people, but if you're still doing it in a year's time, I'll be shocked. (Quietly going from three to six to twelve months..)

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Lenny Law | 23 June 2009 - 9:05pm

You're quite right

The 2007 profit was only £14,000,000. Shouldn't trust my own memory - apologies. And yes, ITV paid way over the odds: more fool them. But as a standalone business, it's still worth money, has always made money, and is up for grabs because ITV are in a desperate situation and FU is one of the few saleable assets they have. I just think it's odd to hold up a genuine success story as an example of failure when the web is littered with tales far more worthy of the five-minute-wonder tag.

I'm not disagreeing with the Twitter sale theory, though. To many start-ups that is the business model.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 9:36pm

You have to see this:


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Lucas Hare | 23 June 2009 - 10:54am

There's very little

There's very little fundamental difference between a forum like this and Twitter. Join and follow Glinner (Graham Linehan) for a couple of days and you'll understand how Twitter works as a community and not just for self promotion.

Also, by not twittering you've missed out on Rhodri Marsden's ("rhodri" on Twitter) cover version of Combine Harvester that he knocked up in just over an hour and which is unbelieveably good for 75 minutes work. Oh, alright then, here it is http://rhodri.biz/pix2/combineharv.mp3

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Andy Lynes | 23 June 2009 - 11:02am

All human life is there

And, as with all human life, you're best ignoring 99.9% of it. But that still leaves a lot of people worth following (I follow 90, for example, although only a dozen or so are ever active at the same time).

A good number of the regulars here use it, as do the trendier members of the Staff Room (Mr H., Fraser, Andrew H., Rob F., Joe M., Jude R. and Eamonn F.), so it's pretty much like a real-time version of this blog.

Writing it off just because of what most people do with it is like writing off iPods because most people use theirs to listen to the latest Britney record. It's a tool, not a lifestyle statement.

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Archie Valparaiso | 23 June 2009 - 11:23am
Grytpype-Thynne | 23 June 2009 - 11:24am

One thing

I really like about Twitter is the search - you get a "right now" version of the web instead of Google "every webpage ever published" version, which can be incredibly useful. The other day I was getting signal problems watching something on Setanta, but I wasn't sure whether it was an issue with my dish, the cables, my TV, and with the broadcaster. So I searched Twitter for 'Setanta', and there they were, dozens of very recent tweets from people with an identical issue, confirming it was a problem with Setanta. Google simply can't do that.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 11:34am

The use of Twitter in Iran currently

makes its own point

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Sheev | 23 June 2009 - 1:17pm

It is...

..strangely addictive.

Some people who you'd think might be interesting and amusing simply aren't (hello Eddie Izzard, Rob Brydon) and others such as Graham Linehan, Jon Ronson, Rob Fitzpatrick and Caitlin Moran seem to spend most of their days tweeting to each other about tv and how much work they're not doing.

Plus the spat between Neil McCormick and Eamonn Forde really livened things up the other day.

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Neil Jung | 23 June 2009 - 2:58pm

If

you follow the 'right' people, it's a carousel of comedy & musing. If you follow the 'wrong' people it's all LOL and "I got up late, missed my ride."

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SirTerence | 23 June 2009 - 5:02pm

There's so much technology going on I can't keep up

That's why I'm hoping Twitter is a passing fad. Otherwise it would take up most of my day. Though why anyone should want to know what I'm up to every waking moment of my life and vice versa remains a mystery.

So as I said in a thread I started on here yonks ago, I steadfastly refuse to Twitter.

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Five-Centres | 23 June 2009 - 5:08pm

Hmmm

"Though why anyone should want to know what I'm up to every waking moment of my life and vice versa remains a mystery."

If you only choose to see Twitter in those terms, fair enough. But it's a bit like dismissing the entire internet because you don't fancy using Hotmail. Twitter is an enabler - how you use it really is up to you.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 5:14pm

Enabling you to do what exactly?

See this is what I don't get about it. Having never used it, from what I've heard it's for people who are desperate to have some famous pals, or for the famous to showboat about how famous they are with other famous people.

Clearly I'm wrong.

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Five-Centres | 23 June 2009 - 5:17pm

No

You're right - that's clearly what a lot of people use it for - but you're only reading the headlines. Take a friend of mine - he uses it to track down rare copies of academic research papers that aren't online. Comcast in the US have turned their customer care reputation completely around by using it to address issues before they get the complaints, simply by monitoring tweets containing their name. If you want to subscribe to Wossie's updates you can, but it's not compulsory.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 June 2009 - 5:39pm

Twitter - a non-user's view

It sounds great - I'm always mailing my friend Helen stuff, links, asides and malapropisms via email, however while at work I'm not allowed social networking sites online, and at home I've got lots of other stuff to do. It sounds like a wonderful resource but, much as I'd love to know what Graham Linehan is up to at the moment, I just don't have the time or inclination - despite (ironically) being perfectly able to post about it here. I'm guessing that sales of Belle and Sebastien's back catalogue aren't going to peak in December round Fraser's way.
That was too many characters for a tweet, wasn't it?

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skirky | 23 June 2009 - 5:47pm

What is Twitter for?

#workavoidancetacticsfordavidquantick

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Nick White | 23 June 2009 - 7:06pm

Having just read the thread

I still remain unconvinced as to its value.

I can see now that it is more than just a forum for narcissitic celebs to talk to fans, and also you choose who you follow, so it is self selecting in terms of not receivibg unwanted stuff.

I still don't see that it says anything to me about my life.

I'm off to hang a DJ!

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Uncle Wheaty | 23 June 2009 - 7:08pm

The four uses of Twitter

To recap on what some have mentioned above, the four uses of Twitter are:
a) to hear the pronouncements of Samuel Johnson on today's world:
http://twitter.com/DrSamuelJohnson
b) to improve day-to-day life with Viz Top Tips:
http://twitter.com/viz_top_tips
c) to be reminded that most celebs' lives are duller than your own:
http://twitter.com/insertnameoffavouritecelebhere
d) to marvel at the audacity of people who think they're interesting:
http://tweetingtoohard.com/

Five minutes of this each morning, then it's off to live my life!

[Oops - just realised how self-righteous this sounds - worthy of tweetingtoohard.com, in fact. Sorry.]

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Nick White | 23 June 2009 - 7:45pm

Even with the above clear explanation

Life's too short.

I will not be joining the twits.

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Uncle Wheaty | 23 June 2009 - 7:50pm

"...most celebs' lives are duller than your own"

Frankly I find that very hard to believe.

I did enjoy looking at the Dr Johnson, but somehow I don't think my Luddite self will bite. I don't even use the internet.

D'oh!

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nigelthebald | 23 June 2009 - 9:45pm

I'm giving it a go Uncle W

as of today. I'll update in a while if and when I form an opinion

Frankly, the cost of the courier pigeons was getting exorbitant.

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Sheev | 23 June 2009 - 7:48pm

Twitter

was made for people who don't want to watch the recent run of good Woody Allen films.

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Mark JF | 23 June 2009 - 8:35pm

Recent convert

Two weeks ago I would have agreed with you, UNCLEWHEATY. Then I joined, reluctantly, for work, and amongst other useful info I've been able to tweet has been info on two job vacancies with very short deadlines.

I send a Twitter feed to my work blog (got more regular blog readers than Twitter followers at the mo.) and use it to give instant news updates.

Also, I'm now getting fed regular Twitter news from others round the country working in the same field.

So, within two weeks, I've got to the point where whenever I find useful news items, I'm instantly thinking - "blog or tweet?"

Celeb tweeters? 'Fraid I can't be bothered.

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millymollymandy | 23 June 2009 - 9:36pm

I can see value for some now

OK, maybe I am wrong.

You have all convinced me it has value - it seems to be used as another forum for many people like Linked in (which I fully embrace) as a great way to find work.

The celeb stuff is completely separate.

I won't be using it for business as I work for myself but I can now see its value.

The End (well for me anyway - feel free to continue the debate)

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Uncle Wheaty | 23 June 2009 - 10:16pm

The house that tweets

The cottage that sends Twitter messages when a mouse is caught, a window shut, or a light switched on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8113914.stm

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Beany | 23 June 2009 - 11:59pm

Why don't you give it a go?

That way you'll know whether it's useful or enjoyable to you or not. If it isn't and you still can't see the point, just stop. You won't have lost anything, except a few minutes of your time. You don't even have to use your real name.

I couldn't see the point of Twitter to start with. "Why do I want to know the minutaie of strangers' lives?" I thought. Having decided to give it a try, I now think it's great. Is it a passing fad? Possibly. It will inevitably get superseded by something else but until then it has a lot to offer.

Yes, of course there's a lot of dross on it but then there's an awful lot of dross on the web generally, yet it hasn't stopped any of us coming here. The point is you can easily filter out what you don't need and what isn't relevant to you.

The updates don't have to be "I'm now eating a cheese sandwich", "I'm scratching my backside" or whatever. If people are posting stuff like that, just don't follow them and you won't see it. The key is to follow interesting people who post interesting thoughts, links to things they've seen on the web and observations, just as they do here.

What music are you into? Films? TV shows? Other interests? Favourite football team? What line of work are you in? Where do you live? Do a search for any of those things and you'll probably find someone talking about them, and perhaps even saying something interesting. If they are, follow them. Then look at who they're following, and who's following them and read some of their postings (Tweets) and you'll probably find more people with similar interests. Follow them too. Search for real-life friends on there and, you've guessed it, follow them too.

Start posting on things that interest you and you will find that people start following you too, and before long you have built a little network. You can participate as much or as little as you want.

Before long you will able to look at a regularly updated, personalised stream of messages that are likely to be of interest to you. These may amuse, inform or entertain you. Your favourite band may have just announced a gig in your town. Your football team have just signed a new striker. There will be roadworks at the end of your street starting from next week. Oh, and here's something funny from YouTube. You can look at these as little or as often as you like.

Dip your toe in the water. Nothing ventured...

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Hosskins | 24 June 2009 - 1:16am

The Onion

Twitter Creator On Iran: 'I Never Intended For Twitter To Be Useful'

http://bit.ly/IaR6D

From my Onion Twitter feed. Self-referencing and post-modern or what?

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Sheev | 24 June 2009 - 9:57pm

Stephen fry

It's Twitter heresy, but his tweets are really, really dull.

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Hollywood_Town_Hall | 25 June 2009 - 3:11pm

I remember the short-lived

I remember the short-lived Digital Living magazine magazine from a few years back, and a picture of one particularly miserable family who seemed to own every hi-tech gadget going. Also, a TV programme from last week with Giles Coren & Sue Perkins saw them 'reliving the 80s', with all its fads and trends. How many folk can look back cringing at the 80s?

And how many people will cringe when they think about all the banal crap they post on twitter? Might work for some folk, but for the vast majority I reckon it's a nonsense, and I for one won't be joining in to post about my bowel movements

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choogle | 25 June 2009 - 4:18pm

Michael Jackson breaks the internet

A Re-Tweet as 'twere

http://bit.ly/ToS4w

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Sheev | 26 June 2009 - 1:14pm
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