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Truth or editorialisation?

ceepee's picture

As a Welshman I reserve the right to not care about football much. I do care about quality reportage though, so I visit the Big Picture website quite often. Their latest collection centres on the World Cup - http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/opening_weekend_-_2010_world_c.... - and is packed full of great photographs. I couldn't help but notice though, the one photo that, to quote Sesame Street, wasn't like the other ones. It's number 27. I won't embed the picture as the site is well worth a visit.

Now, why would they pick this photo rather than any of the many others that would show an entirely different take on English fans?

Is this the absolute best shot that summarises the reality of English football fandom?

Or is this a journalistic cheap shot that was designed to confirm the prejudices of football fans around the world?

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Not a cheap shot at all

more highlighting this great country's single greatest cultural export of the last half of the last century.

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MyAmericanMate | 16 June 2010 - 1:25pm

You're suggesting...

That football hooliganism is bigger than The Beatles?

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Fraser Lewry | 16 June 2010 - 1:29pm

Only in that

I was never _that_ big a fan. Engerlish football hooliganism was always a bit like Eno's take on the Velvets first album. Not a lot of people bought into it but every one of them went out and started little hooligan bands of their own. Just look at what it started. The Dutch have done particularly well out of it.

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MyAmericanMate | 16 June 2010 - 1:33pm

Bigger than the Beatles

Everybody knows that England's greatest export is the Scotch egg. And before any Scots jump on my case, Scotch Eggs were invented by the London department store, Fortnum & Mason, in 1851.

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Martin | 16 June 2010 - 1:40pm

My apologies

You are, of course, entirely correct.

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Fraser Lewry | 16 June 2010 - 1:42pm

Prejudice and Ignorance

As far I can see.....

You can get similar photo's at any Philadephia Eagles game.

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Six Dog | 16 June 2010 - 1:37pm

Really?

Never seen the Eagles play. What then do you think makes Engerlish hooliganism so world famous then? More so than, say, Philly? You think the Engerlish just do it better? Better PR? I think it's their trousers.

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MyAmericanMate | 16 June 2010 - 1:42pm

I'd imagine

our brand of hooliganism is better known because football/soccer per se is better known world-wide than American football. More countries participate in football from a kick-about in the park through amateur/professional leagues up tp national squads than participate in American football. Therefore as a brand it's better known, like the hooligan element it attracts.

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Ahh_Bisto | 16 June 2010 - 2:22pm

Please don't set him off again.

There's nothing more tiresome than someone with a bee in their bonnet AND a chip on their shoulder. Can we just skip straight to the insults and get it over with?

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skirky | 16 June 2010 - 1:50pm

Gentlemen

Please behave. Read the FAQ. These are precisely the kind of posts we specifically ask you not to contribute.

Please do not post controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response, or post in a manner that may provoke the same.

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Fraser Lewry | 16 June 2010 - 1:55pm

Yes, well I could see where this was heading from the off

Appropo nothing, can I lighten the mood with this video of some old hippies struggling to adapt to the MTV universe.

I love CSN&Y, but this vid? Well what is there good to say about it.

PS. Sorry ceepee for getting off message. As you were.

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Martin | 16 June 2010 - 2:02pm

Nothin'

cept it is a Welshman, a Canadian and a guy who spent most of his youth in Costa Rica and Panama. But, that's America for you.

Didn't they really only put out about one and a half good albums?

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MyAmericanMate | 16 June 2010 - 5:58pm

Who is the Welshman?

Are you referring to Graham "The Hash" Nash? Unless I am mistaken he's originally from Blackpool, but turned his nose up at north west England's tropical paradise for a life of hair shirt puritanism in Laurel Canyon. More fool him I say. The donkey rides at Blackpool are unbeatable.

I agree though, their output was inconsistent and sporadic. Much prefer CSN or just Crosby and Nash. The addition of Young just seemed to cause problems.

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Martin | 16 June 2010 - 6:22pm

Blackpool, you say?

Well honestly, outside Zone 4 and my map of Britainland just has dragons and sea monsters and the edge of the earth. But thanks for setting me straight.

Oh, and, the addition of Young did indeed cause problems but Young by himself was always a pretty safe bet.

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MyAmericanMate | 16 June 2010 - 11:32pm

dragons and sea monsters

..and wales, presumably.

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Captain Underpants | 17 June 2010 - 1:40pm

Born in Blackpool...

...brought up in Salford.

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Paolo Meccano | 17 June 2010 - 12:54pm

Just checking

But was this addressed to me? I had no intention other than a genuine enquiry as to whether or not The Big Picture was justified in choosing that shot. As I said, I'm a regular visitor to their site and have found it to always be thoughtful, considered and balanced. Their choice in this instance seemed strange so I sought the opinions of those whose opinions I have often found to be thoughtful, considered and balanced. Apologies if I've started something I can't finish.

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ceepee | 16 June 2010 - 2:55pm

Not at all

If my response had been directed at your post, it would have been over there <----------, aligned to the left of the page.

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Fraser Lewry | 16 June 2010 - 3:21pm

Phew!

Thought I was in trouble with the Archbeako for a minute.

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ceepee | 16 June 2010 - 3:29pm

Meanwhile, over on the

"We Love Nachos!" messageboard they're irate because picture 15 implies that all Mexicans are in prison and/or look like Harvey Keitel.

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Albert Edward | 17 June 2010 - 1:28pm
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