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I was very interested in Mr H's thoughts about amateur musicians and small venues on the Half Moon thread. And I also needed to respond to the Johnny Marr thread. And I wanted to raise a question too. So apologies for starting a new topic here, rather than posting in the other places, but...

I went to the Half Moon on Saturday and saw The Smyths play. I was more than a little apprehensive about going but by the end of the gig I was swept away by the atmosphere in the room and the sheer numbers of people going absolutely nuts.

So, what I'm wondering is is:

Tribute Bands? Good or bad?

And in answer to the Marr question, it's Still Ill. Or maybe Handsome Devil. Or perhaps The Boy With a Thorn in His Side. Or should that be There is a Light? Wow, were The Smiths a good band or what?

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They can be good

Sometimes they are the closest thing you'll ever get to hearing the real band live - The Bootleg Beatles, for example, sound very authentic and put on a very entertaining show.

From your post it sounds like the Smyths did a pretty good job too.

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bass_dude | 15 December 2009 - 6:06pm

Although, one might nitpick

and suggest that if The Bootleg Beatles were to sound truly authentic they should be slightly out of tune and a bit shaky live. And not use monitors. I used to be in a Beatles specialist band, you know. I was BeatleGeorge. Or 'Stig'. Recording "A Hard Days Night" out of hours at The BBC was a gas, I can tell you.

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skirky | 15 December 2009 - 6:29pm

I've seen The Smyths a few

I've seen The Smyths a few times and they're great fun. The first time I saw them someone invaded the stage, hugged "Morrissey" and waved triumphantly at the cheering crowd. I've also had "Unhappy Birthday" dedicated to me the last time I saw them. Tribute bands are great if you don't take them seriously but given the choice I'd rather see a proper band.

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pbobcat | 15 December 2009 - 6:32pm

A good tribute band is great fun

Good musicians playing good material, and everyone in the audience having a fine time.

...and no danger of the band playing three tracks off the new album!

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stimpy | 15 December 2009 - 7:01pm

Went to see tribute band

'Nearly Dan' several years ago. It was for a work colleagues birthday, who was a massive Dan fan. Have got to say it was great fun, and not previously being a fan of Steely Dan, was a bit of an eye opener.

Picked up a couple of Steely Dan records shortly after, which i'm sure would please the members of 'Nearly Dan'.

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Mint | 15 December 2009 - 7:28pm

Nearly Dan

Saw them a month ago and they were really excellent. Better, in fact, than when I saw the real Dan at Wembley a few years ago, though that was in part due to the venue, traffic etc. The N Dan musicians are really excellent.

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Twangothan | 16 December 2009 - 5:31pm

The Musical Box

Did a stunning recreation of Genesis' "Lamb" complete with all the slides a couple of years ago - I swear, if you closed your eyes, you thought it was the real thing circa '75.

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Grant | 15 December 2009 - 7:37pm

I saw that show... uncannily good

I gather they obtained the original slides from Gabriel.

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stimpy | 15 December 2009 - 7:39pm

I think the show

- or the slides anyway - was licensed by Genesis' management, and that prevented them filming it for dvd release.

The fact that Genesis then used those slides as the visual element of the 5.1 DVD release of the The Lamb last year might have had something to do with it.

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Molesworth | 15 December 2009 - 7:46pm

Ahhhh... makes sense.

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stimpy | 15 December 2009 - 7:47pm

A friend of mine went to a Bee Gees tribute band

who were shockingly awful apparently. At one point he called out "Tragedy! .... That's not a request!"

I've also heard the BBs are terrific.

Then there is that whole "nearly name" thing - No Way Sis, Not Was Not Was, etc etc

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Douglas | 15 December 2009 - 7:38pm

The Australian Pink Floyd Show

are cracking. They make no effort to look like the Floyd but sound unbelievably close. Knowing they can't recreate a full-on Floyd show, they scale it down a little - an inflatable kangaroo instead of the pig.

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stimpy | 15 December 2009 - 7:42pm

Bootlegmania

A few years ago, I had the strange pleasure of seeing the (Bootleg) Beatles and the (Counterfeit) Stones on consecutive nights in a virtually empty field at the now-defunct Middlesex Show in Uxbridge.
The show had been offered the real Beatles in the mid 60s for about twenty quid, but had refused them, so they were perhaps trying to make amends.
Unfortunately they'd barely publicised the event, so my brother and I had the surreal experience of watching the Beatles and the Stones with a few scattered people in deckchairs.
Bootleg John Lennon's calls to the crowd were met with responses only from my brother and me, gamely trying to conjure up Beatlemania between the two of us.
"Obviously we're not very big in Uxbridge", replied Bootleg John, acerbic Scouse accent present and correct.

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Nick White | 15 December 2009 - 8:33pm

A mate...

A mate of mine caught the BBs at a festival some years ago. The only recollection he had was that their then McCartney was the spitting image of Keith Chegwin.

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JQW | 15 December 2009 - 9:49pm

Did they do the joke about

Paul being able to eat a ham sandwich in the interval "cos he wasn't a vegetarian yet"?

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nicktf | 15 December 2009 - 10:25pm

The BHJHs

Saw them last week - not my choice - but they put on a great show. Gretsches, Rickenbackers and Hohners all present and correct, although I think the AC30s were just for show as it sounded a lot better than I imagine the originals ever did.

Bootleg Paul's bass playing on Strawberry Fields and Walrus hinted at how good Macca could have been live in that set up; and when he harmonised with Bootleg George on the final verse of Something I realised I needed to completely re-evaluate that song. It was stunning.

They even managed a Rutles reference (Bootleg John: "I can't remember anything. Too much tea.")and yes, they did the ham sandwich joke.

Paul was right-handed and Merry Xmas (War is over) is not a Beatles song, but I'll forgive them that. It was a really good show, and at points (In My Life featuring the Bootleg George Martin and She's Leaving Home), actually quite moving.

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Captain Underpants | 15 December 2009 - 10:42pm

my lord, a good topic - read my previous thread

you might be interested in the Massive's response to my thread on it a few months ago.

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/tribute-bands-youve-seen-and-their...

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rocker43 | 15 December 2009 - 9:09pm

The Fab Faux - Best Beatles tribute (IMHO)

Will Lee (bass gun for hire, played with George at his '92 RAH show and with Paul at Concert for New York, Letterman band stalwart...), Jimmy Vivino (Conan O'Brien's band) and cohorts - without doubt the best and most exciting tribute I've seen (okay, the voices are never gonna get there, but musically incredible - from 'Don't Bother Me' to 'I Want You' and all stops inbetween).



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Happy Castle | 15 December 2009 - 10:33pm

Slade

Surfing the Tube recently and came across this lot from Oz - better than the current Slade II doing the rounds...


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Happy Castle | 15 December 2009 - 10:56pm

From The Jam

Who I saw last Wednesday make things a bit odd.

The lead singer is the bloke who used to be Paul Weller in The Jamm.

The drummer was some random session player.

The bass player was Bruce Foxton.

They were jolly good.

But it is the old question of where does a band start and finish? How many of the original members, who owns the original name, etcetera.

Will there ever be a Polyphonic Spree tribute?

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Lenny Law | 16 December 2009 - 12:48am

I have a real problem with tribute acts

I think it grates against my rock'n'roll purist soul.

When I see a performer I want to see a performer. I don't think I really want a theatre show.

I suppose a pretty faceless band who are all theatre anyway (like Pink Floyd) would work well enough. I've only seen the Bootleg Beatles and one of the big Led Zep tributes (can't remember the name), and both left me feeling a bit icky.

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Stephen Merrick | 16 December 2009 - 1:01am

I'd be interested to hear how you feel how

(say) Morrissey singing old Smiths songs with none of the original band that recorded them is different to (say) From The Jam with one original Jam member or (say) Noasis with no original members.

Surely it's just about the brand name?

*These acts were chosen at random to illustrate the principle.

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stimpy | 16 December 2009 - 11:37am

I think the answer to that is

It depends.

I like Holst's The Planets. Saw it last month in Glasgow, loved it. I went to see the music being played and the visual spectacle of the orchestra, didn't really care who was in the orchestra. It's all about the piece of music itself. I suppose every orchestra is really just a tribute band, in a way? So that's fine.

Hmm, you know... this is one of those points where I can't work out what I'm trying to say. I'm struggling to think of examples of shows I've seen to match your examples above, but I'm just tired I think! I would say that: I don't like The Smiths, but if I did I probably wouldn't like Morrisey singing Smiths songs.

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Stephen Merrick | 16 December 2009 - 10:53pm

How about...

Phil Collins singing Genesis songs
Paul Weller singing Jam songs (I know...)
Cheryl Cole singing Girls Aloud songs
John Wetton singing King Crimson songs
Phil Lesh singing Grateful Dead songs

(delete as applicable)

The 21st Century Schizoid Band* is comprised largely of significant ex-members of King Crimson. Are they a tribute band or just King Crimson without the brand name?

It's an interesting field for abstract discussion.

*There's a similar ex-Kinks members band out there as well and, of course, The Dead is ex-members of the Grateful Dead peforming the old repertoire.

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stimpy | 17 December 2009 - 11:30am

And then...

Remember Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe who contained more members of Yes from their formative years than the then current line-up of Yes. They later merged with the real Yes, apparently.

There's Space Ritual, a band comprising of former members of Hawkwind, which seems to feature virtually everyone living from the classic period bar Brock, Lemmy and Stacia.

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JQW | 17 December 2009 - 10:03pm

As you say, ABWH were more Yes than the real Yes

A sort of "I Can't Believe It's Not Yes" :-)

On a similar note, when Gabriel reunited with Genesis for the Milton Keynes WOMAD benefit, they weren't able to call themselves Genesis. It was always "Six Of The Best", written in the then current Genesis typeface.

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stimpy | 17 December 2009 - 10:09pm

I've no problem with tribute bands

(decent ones, anyway.)

They're cheap, you don't have to fight for tickets (usually, though I know the BB's tours tend to sell out), you're in an small atmospheric venue rather than an aircraft hangar, and they'll play all the hits (and won't alter the arrangements because they're bored of the original ones.)

Of course, you need a sense of humour and to be able to ignore your "authenticity" gland, but my best nights seeing tribute acts have been far better than my worst nights with the real thing...

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Metal Mickey | 16 December 2009 - 9:51am

Limehouse Lizzy

are well worth seeing, as rocker43 has previously posted. Much rather see them than the version that John Sykes was towing around (even when Goreham and Downey were invloved) - Lizzy were never about his kind of widdly-widdly fretboard wankery.

And although not a tribute band, The Hamsters sets which are devoted to Hendrix or ZZ Top are great fun. As others have said, sensible ticket prices, small venues, lots of fun.

Wasn't someone planning a festival wholly made up of tribute bands? Instead of Woodstock, why not Mockstock?

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fortuneight | 16 December 2009 - 11:34am

Interesting point there...

The Hamsters certainly don't market themselves as a Hendrix tribute band but play shows that are 100% Hendrix.

Bands like The Musical Box or Bootled Zeppelin make every effort to reproduce a specific Genesis/Zeppelin gig down to the stage announcements, clothes, lighting, etc.

Does that make one less enjoyable than the other? Personally I don't think so - they're both a bloody good night out - but I suppose I'm not weighed down with (perhaps) spurious notions of 'authenticity'.

It's all just musicians on a stage - whether they've written the songs or are playing someone else's material makes no difference to me. It's all about the quality of the playing; and the quality of the music of course, but that's a little more subjective.

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stimpy | 16 December 2009 - 11:43am
Black Type | 16 December 2009 - 3:17pm

Hamsters

A musician friend (bass player) was most offended to see Wilko Johnson (with Norman Watt-Roy on bass) playing a support gig to The Hamsters.
He just thought it was Wrong and left before the rodents started playing.

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Mike_H | 28 March 2010 - 9:37pm

Best tribute band ever...

Brian Wilson's has The Wondermints as his backing band who Brian apparently saw in a club in LA doing note perfect Beach Boys covers and went on to hire them as his backing band.


Sublime!

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bass_dude | 16 December 2009 - 12:12pm

Yay! Loooove the Wondermints!

One of my top 3 gigs ever was Wondermints supported by Baby Lemonade (Arthur Lee's backup band of choice in the US) at the London Borderline, sometime in 1998. Even the choice of covers (Love! Todd Rundgren! The theme from "UFO"!) was perfect.

Shame the Wondermints appear to have ceased trading - I assume leader Darian Sahanaja's work with Brian Wilson takes up most of his time now (he did a great job assembling "Smile").

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Metal Mickey | 16 December 2009 - 2:48pm

I was there!

One of my big memories of that show was a chap standing next to me saying 'Oh my God!' every so often. In a good way. And when they played 'Pet Sounds'(the tune) and announced they'd be coming back with 'a certain Mr Brian Wilson' very soon, and the place going nuts.
Wish they'd do an album of their own again. There's an odds and sods CD coming out very soon.

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Jon | 17 December 2009 - 9:53pm

Better than the Stones, superb as The Stranglers

I saw a Stones cover band (Strolling Bones, I think) in a pub months before I saw the real thing in a Sheffield stadium in the nineties.

The cover band were great, all killers no eighties/nineties fillers, even though the singer verged on Pantojagger.

I was so far away from the stage in Sheffield the video screen was the size of a portable TV. The Stones appeared to be going through the motions and even some of the classics lacked zip.

I also saw Four More Heroes in a Serbian club in Leeds (what about that for glamour you fancydan, cravat-wearing London-types?). They sounded exactly like The Stranglers although they didn't look like them at all.

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Olthwaite | 16 December 2009 - 2:33pm

As a 'tribute' musician

I do this because the original can't or won't do it. Also - I'm a fan.

I'm the MD for Dexys Bootleg Runners. We may not be as authentic towards our source as the Genesis guys with the period instruments and all, but we are pretty damn close.

The last time that Kevin Rowland assembled a band under the name Dexys Midnight Runners was for a tour in 2003. That band played some great music but there were two things that made me realise that I was unlikely to see anything like the (say) Projected Passions band ever again.

Firstly, they had just one horn and one fiddle, the other parts being carried by synth. Yes, synths in Dexys! I can only assume that it would be financially impossible for Kevin to take out a band the size of Dexys at their peak. Whereas we can afford to take out 12 musicians who can create a mighty sound that synths just can't do.

Secondly, almost every song was lowered in pitch to meet the changed voice of Kevin. Can't blame him for that - most people's voices lower as the years pass. But it didn't really sound like Dexys.

As I see it, our job is to make the great music of Dexys available to not just the small core of Dexys fans but to introduce these great songs to a wider audience and encourage them to go out and listen/buy some Dexys.

2010 is the 30th anniversary of Searching For The Young Soul Rebels. We will be out on the road playing the entire album and associated B sides etc.

In my opinion there is a huge difference between what we do and what others do. I mean no disrespect but it is a relatively easy job to put together an Oasis/U2/REM or whatever band than it is to do what we are doing.

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Jorrox | 16 December 2009 - 3:09pm

Keeping a 12-piece band on the road these days

deserves a (virtual) round of applause*. Outside of subsidised classical/jazz bands, there's not many people who'd be able to make a go of it.

*have an up arrow instead :-)

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stimpy | 16 December 2009 - 3:28pm

Cor!

That sounds great.. just the thought of the brass section kicking in, all with one foot on the wedge monitors..

I'm all excited now. Bring it on.

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Lenny Law | 17 December 2009 - 12:34am

On the subject of authenticity...

I had to do an essay about this recently (Authenticity in Popular Music - yes, I know, they'll be giving out degrees in X Factor studies soon), and although I was being a bit mischievous, I think I did a fairly good job of successfully arguing that tribute bands do, in fact, give their audience an authentic experience that they crave.

As mentioned above, lots of them seek out antique instruments etc, in order to provide the correct sound. They also mess about with aspects of the perceived personality of the tribut-ees - like Bjorn Again allowing "Bjorn" to be a rock god for a wee while.

Lots of us would love to have heard Bowie doing Ziggy, say, in 1972, but are too young. This gives us a bit of that experience. Anyway, my argument went a little bit like that - and it can't have been too bad, I got an A!!

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Susie Baby | 16 December 2009 - 3:18pm

Thanks

for the encouraging words guys. The Bootleg Runners have some dates throughout the UK but we can't be as active as we would like until we get some decent management (anyone out there?).

Our dates are on our myspace (page name as you would expect)

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Jorrox | 17 December 2009 - 1:20am

X-sTtatiC

What a band, doing what all us XTC fans deserve. Sadly, they are no more, but there's another band called the Fossil Fuels who I can't wait to play London.
That's what tribute bands are for - playing the music their creators can't or won't.

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Jon | 17 December 2009 - 9:56pm

Saw an excellent "tribute band" last night

The superb (and wonderfully named)deadbelgian in a packed tiny bar in Liverpool.

It made me wonder though exactly what a tribute band is - although their set was almost all Jacques Brel (with a couple of Jake Thackeray songs), and they are heavily accordion based, they have a female singer and played some of their own arrangements. So they are not simply imitating or replicating Brel but doing their own take on him. Does that make them a tribute band?

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Humphrey Plugg | 18 December 2009 - 10:42am

Hmmm...

More of a covers band than a tribute, I'd say

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stimpy | 18 December 2009 - 10:58am

a plug for Boot Led Zeppelin

Whom I saw last night at Shepherds Bush Empire. They did a great show based on Zep's classic 1975 concert at Earls Court. The lad who sang was the spitting image of Plant and had the voice, clothes and even the great man's stage mannerisms. Musically they were a tight band too and nailed down the classics very well. With a few beers in me I stood in front of the stage air guitaring etc to Black Dog, No Quarter, Dazed and Confused and a crunching version of Kashmir. Great Saturday night entertainment for twenty quid. Did anyone else go along?

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rocker43 | 28 March 2010 - 8:27pm

whos who, fantastic live

whos who,

fantastic live (if you like the who) and their drummer is unreal (to eye movements and holing the sticks a certain way let alone the drumming. the bootleg pete (?0 is also very very good for the nuances, rog and john are just very good (who soundalike) musicians.
guess its another argument are you after the visuals as well as the sound.?
whos next are very good with a few beers, austrlian doors, small fakers, etc.
horses for courses i guess

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fatdan | 28 March 2010 - 9:29pm

Muffin Men

The Muffin Men were one of my favourite live acts. For those who don't know, they were a Zappa tribute act and played his music in the correct spirit, IMO. i.e. not note-for-note from one of his albums but their own well-played arrangements of his incredibly complex music.Frequently to half-filled or nearly-empty halls in the UK, so I doubt if they were making any money at it.
When the late Jimmy Carl Black was still around he used to tour with them twice a year. Since his death they've knocked it on the head for a while.

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Mike_H | 28 March 2010 - 9:54pm
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