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Track-suit chic! The worst look ever?
Today I passed a group of youths skulking along in their track-suit bottoms, hooded tops and best baseball hats. As there was no gym in the vicinity I assume that they were simply 'out on the town'; 'heading off to the disco'; or whatever young people do these days.
This set me thinking about youthful fashions of the past. Teddy-boys (smart, expensive Edwardian suits and the rest), Skinheads (jeans with razor-sharp creases, Ben Sherman shirts, 'Doc's' etc); Mods (a very wallet-draining look) and so on.
Basically, was there ever a look so drab, unprepossessing and uninspired as the present day 'tracky' look? Or am I missing something? Is it post-modern or iconic in some way? Maybe those outfits do actually cost more than a fiver in total.
I look forward to a healthy and informed deabte!
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It says "I don't care"
It really is a terrible look. No individuality at all. The worst is this fashion in adults - women especially, and even worse when teamed with a shapeless football shirt.
Can't win here but I will offer this observation
Classic teenage fashion used to be tight to the point of circulation interruption. These days it's loose to the point of falling-off. I have made it a rule never to comment on anything my children wear. The only time I feel like making an exceptions is when I see one of them with flared track suit bottom that are so long they are treading on them. I'm sure some sociologist can explain it all.
Flare treading isn't new
When flares first appeared, wasn't part of the problem that you were always treading on the backs of them, causing them to fray and decay within a few months? Denim was a particular problem in the way it absorbed and retained water leading to a kind of rising damp. The waist might have been tight but the legs were like a couple of tents from Milletts.
My dad, forty years in the navy, wasn't impressed by the sixties/seventies trend for flares as they, known to him as bell bottoms, were part of a uniform. We thought it was rebellion and to him nothing could have been more conventional. The trend for wearing army surplus probably may have provoked similarly divergent points of view between generations.
Prevailing musical fashions.....
Whilst hip/hop R&B and the general "corner" look is in vogue with the most popular musical genre in the world, all I saw at V yesterday were white blokes in skinny jeans and skinny girls wearing tons of very 80's neon......
Guantánamo Bay chic, yours
Guantánamo Bay chic, yours for just £476 http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/aug/22/alexis-petridis-orang...
Richard
face it you just don't like the young you don't like the way they talk (from your thread last week) you don't like they way dress what next "this modern music it's all just noise".
The only modern fashion that does annoy me is the trouser at half mast thing it's the sight of greying possibly soiled inches of under pant that irks, that and the whole bondage trouser hobbling along business.
Apart from that if you hate this fashion there'll be a new one along in minute.
Chris - A point of information
I am picking out just one look from a whole cross-section of teenage tribes. Many others (e.g. Goths) require effort and imagination and have a distinct appeal which I can easily understand. Unfortunately they do often get punched in the face (and worse) by 'townies' in tracksuits for having the temerity to look a bit different.
Regarding my other blog about "I'm Good" - this refers to the phrases currently in use across the whole age spectrum (by some people).
So I ain't picking on the young exclusively Daddy-O, it's just some people of whatever age. And don't tell me you've never seen a middle-aged man in a tracksuit. 'Maybe you need to get out more' (to coin another annoying phrase).
BLAST SAYS
RELAX!
The thinking behind the half mast trouser thing is
that when a young adult spends a week's EMA on a pair of underpants he wants everyone to see them. (As Alexander McQueen explained to Frank Skinner.) It looks even sillier when the underpant isn't a designer label ... but what would I know?
A plain daft fashion
is the one I noticed on holiday for underpants to be worn inside swimming shorts. With said shorts at half-mast. Quite Bizarre. Rather defeats the concept of waterproof
I think I read on this very blog...
... the origin of the frankly ridiculous half mast trousering fad.
As far as I can recall it's to do with the frequent strip/cavity searches endured by young scallywags possibly involved in drug dealing in the environs of Washington DC, Baltimore etc.
It's a badge sort of thing. 'Look, I'm hard, I may or may not deal drugs but I look as though I do so the Man is always hassling me. He's always runnin' me downtown and shakin' me down. I may aswell have my pants halfway down ready anyhow'
Or that sort of cock anyway.
I do wonder if any of the spotty herberts I see sporting the same look in the company of their Mummies know that.
Slight variation.
I had understood that the trousers-around-knees look was because The Man takes your belt away when you iz nicked for laaaaahk bein a gangsta innit. Cos you can't have no belt in chokey, blud.
Either way, it's fucking ridiculous.
Other "I'm a criminal" fashions include the Single Glove. Cos, laaaaaahk, it stops you getting powder burns on your gun hand. Bruv.
trousers
It's a hip hop thing. In prisons in the US, belts aren't allowed, so your pants hang of your ass.
Oh! You tedious things
Hip-hop-inspired youth fashion has stalled badly and needs an enormous kick in the exposed underpants.
I'm tired of the kids I teach (primary age) swaggering around like someone popped a cap in their ass and throwing gangster signs whenever there's a camera around.
Being shocked by youth fashion would surely be preferable to being bored.
I, quite literally,
bumped into Sienna Miller in a shop once. She was wearing a tracksuit. It didn't look too bad.
Trad Goth
Chicks, no woman has ever looked more... enticing
Ned or Chav (for our English readers) culture has always been repulsive, no more so than now
It's all black trackies round here.
Shaved hair at the sides and slightly longer on top.
But the strangest phenomena is the hand down the pants, fiddling with the items within.
When did it become OK, compulsory even, to play with yourself in public?
Beat me to it
I was out and about last week and there was a young man with his hands down his pants not just re-arranging, it looked like he was indulging in what is normally regarded as a purely personal pleasure.
Distinctly unwelcome...
They're All Doing It!
!
They're pretending to have a gun down there
or so I'm told.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the worst look ever is modelled...
by several of the middle-aged men who live on my street. Blue polo shirts over distended bellies tucked into sagging shorts and flip-flops worn with socks. Not a good look.
Point of order
How do you wear socks with flip flops?
Don't the toe bits interfere with the front bit of the sock (if you know what I mean)?
Or am I overanalysing this?
(I do, unfortunately, recognise a teeny bit of myself in the picture that Patrick paints. Except for the sock bit).
I thought the look minus
the socks was kicking!
Perhaps 'sandals' would have been the better word to use...
I know what you're saying, Paul, but there doesn't seem to be a toe bit / sock interface problem with these dudes.
There's a species of flip-flop which
doesn't have an 'inter-toe post' but is merely a band over the entire foot.
I'm told that 'ver kidz' call them 'sliders' cos you slides your foot into them, err.. innit?
That's me!
Apart from the socks.
Actually the same look is even worse
when the temperature climbs ever so slightly. Then off come the polo shirts and its down to the supermarket to do the lager shopping. A few fading tattooes are an optional extra. Nice!
Shell Suits
They were the worst fashion ever for either side of the generation gap!
They looked bad on everyone.
We all had our narcissism : this is their version
At the risk of going round stirring up apathy, this is just regulation youth rebellion, with them trying to recreate their world anew. Big deal.
Old hands like us might have the merest smidgeon of wisdom, tempered by the onset of old codgerdom, so can see that it is not even a particularly novel version. (How long have trainers and shell suits been going ?) But so what ? Some of us remember, say, winkle-pickers and dungarees with shame (not together, obviously) : perhaps tomorrow's old gits will shudder at that turquoise shell suit. (Or maybe not.)
I get at least as narky at the like of Trinny and Susannah insisting the sartorial model for a grown man is somewhere between Bryan Ferry and Prince Charles. I don't believe in their vision either.
Round my way
It's not just the youth. The parents dress just the same.
Mind you, many of the parents are still in their teens.
Turn ups
A few years back I noticed a rather disturbing trend amongst a number of London's youth for wearing trackies with one trouser leg rolled to half-mast.
I blame the parents.
I Read
an interview with Nicolas Anelka where in order to prove his assertion that he has great fashion sense he stated, with no small amount of pride, that he was the first person in France to roll up one leg of his pants.
I shit you not.
multiple choice time
a) Rolling up your trouser leg began as a way of showing that you were not wearing an electronic tag, and was a signal to police that they didn't need to have a word with you to check whether or not you were breaking a curfew. Over time it was adopted as a fashion statement.
b) Rolling up your trouser leg began as a bicycle clip-free way to prevent your trousers getting oily and/or catching in the chain of your bike. Over time it was adopted as a fashion statement.
c) Rolling up your trouser leg began as a way of showing you were in the market to purchase drugs or had drugs you wished to sell, depending on which leg was rolled. Over time it was adopted as a fashion statement.
Small print disclaimer: I have no idea whether or not any of these are true.
How times change.
When I were a lad, the points above could have applied to a young man walking round with on trouser-leg being tucked in his sock.
Apart from a) and c), obviously.
Sir I object
my children follow the dress code of "skate" they live for skateboarding and the effort and cost to get that "I don't care what I wear (but really I do)" look costs big! From £50 skate shoes, jeans that must sit just right, T-shirts with obligatory baggy checked shirt topped off with the right beanie hat or baseball cap takes some doing. The track suited morons you describe are the enemy who ride BMX's and use the ramps when my boys want to use them! God I wish I was 13 again.
zombie epidemic
i will see you in a few years time
survivors-wave your copy of the last word edition and i won't shoot you in the head-but if you talk in the film i am about to show, i will
yours
prime minister
junkie cosmonaut
I prefer
a woad and vole pelt combo myself.
someone else rocking
the woad look too cool! Do you accessorise with a spear or go straight for an axe?
Actually
I tend toward the scythe and belt of severed heads vibe.
Are we to conclude
that the track-suited 'just climbed out of bed' look is a distilled version of the dressed-down style considered so de-rigueur across the UK these days? I have been to any number of functions where an element of smartness might have seeemed appropriate, only to find that whereas most of the women present look rather glamorous, the majority of men (excluding myself obviously!) look as if they have just come from the allotment or climbed out of the dressing-up box. Happily this does mean that I am rarely short of attractive female company at such events so maybe I shouldn't complain.
Without wishing to be controversial (really) but
Didn't it seem odd that the Lockerbie bomber, al-Megrahi, a 57 year old Libyan, flew out of the country in what looked like a white track suit and a Nike baseball cap.
I'm genuinely not interested in discussing on this site the decision to release him, but isn't it odd that American sports kit has become an international lingua franca of clothes - even worn by a man found guilty of attacking an American plane.
It all looked new, and so someone must have made a decision about buying it. I don't think it was what he was wearing when he went to prison.
Perhaps he wanted to be noticed?
Maybe he feared that no-one would recognise him after several years away, so when he phoned home to arrange for someone to collect him from the airport he concluded the call by saying 'You can't miss me, I'll be the one in the all white tracksuit and white baseball cap'.
(I wonder, if when he landed he thought - 'Shit! I look like a twat'?)
So
it was Mike Love after all.
At least...
...terrorists are making the effort these days. Do you remember how dreary-looking the Baader-Meinhof Gang and the Provisional IRA used to be back in the 1970's?
Maybe he was trying to imply
that he was down with the neds* - wearing all-white sports gear is one of their stylistic preferences.
*for readers in the south, read 'chavs'.
Move over Granddad...
... because if that's where the kids are at, that's fine by me; maybe you should stop being a sucking fnob and accept that your dash-cutting days are over.
I personally think that the noughties has been the worst time for "fashion" EVAH, and if I see one more ironflat-haired woman in Ugg boots and a jerkin stepping out with a close-cropped, man-bag carrying 40-something bloke in the leather blouson, boot cut jeans and pointy shoes that she forced him into then I'm likely to get on by bike and go on an iPod-stealing spree.
Stop it!
You're making me laugh and I don't come here for that.
Do any of the people who
Do any of the people who wear baseball caps actually watch or play baseball? It's meant to be quite boring, isn't it?
I'll stick with my bowler.
I noticed that Adam sandler was wearing one on 'The One Show'
What was he thinking? Dazzled by the studio lights perhaps?
Did it have a logo?
If so, maybe he was paid to wear it.
In fact part of the 'walking billboard' look
which has been part of the fashion mainstream for some time. Remember when grown men would happily walk aroung with 'Tommy Hilfigger' emblazoned on their backs? Or that Beneton craze? Why anyone would part with cash to advertise a product always remained a mystery to me.
A good game to play
Is to walk up to someone wearing a Yankees baseball cap and ask them what they think about Alex Rodrigues and whether the Yankees will have a good post-season.
They look at you blankly.
"Aren't you a Yankees fan? You're wearing their cap.."
Mind you, I did once do this and ended up being treated to a lengthy monologue regarding the Yankees' relief pitchers and how none of them could throw a decent fastball if they tried.
I know Jack about baseball. I nodded. A lot.
As has been said here before
fun can be had by doing the same to kids in Ramones or Motorhead logo shirts.
Personally, I'll only wear a shirt displaying a logo if the company/band in question have given it me for free.
(EDIT: Apart from one faded Grateful Dead 'lightning skull' logo shirt)
Martin Freeman took Tim Lovejoy to bits on Soccer AM
on this very topic.
Lovejoy rocked up in a Ramones t-shirt prompting Freeman to ask him what he thought the best track was on the second album and whether the band played better with Marky or Tommy. Cue uncomfortable writhing on sofa. Top notch telly.
Fakers. Know your place!
grown men
wearing football tops
grown men wearing football tops with players names on the back
behave
Football look
The 'look' of many of those West Ham guys last night surely qualifies as the 'worst look' ever.
Aged 45, shaven-headed, tattoos, long khaki shorts, replica (you do know you're being shafted?) football tops and fat, very, very fat.
Everything is known before they even open their mouths.
Favourite drink; lager. Favourite food; full English. Favourite group; Madness.
Thatcher's children who exude from every pore in their body the dire 1980's.
I'm definitely getting a few of those Beatles' re-issues on 9/9 to wash the taste out of my mouth, it brought back so many appalling memories.
Football shirts are just wrong.
I mean, I'm a big fan of Isambard Kingdom Brunel, but I don't feel the need to dress like him.
I see a marketing niche...
Big stovepipe hats.
Waistcoats.
Sturdy boots.
Chunky watch-chains.
All enscribed with The Word and a suitable pithy one-liner.
Tee-shirts? My arse.
You mean like this?
Er..
..sort of..
But not quite..
Being not-quite middle-aged...
... and as white, comfortable and middle class as can easily be imagined, I'm afraid I can't quite bring myself to be OK with the gangsta look. I don't suppose it's much different to dressing in a zoot suit, but it just makes me uncomfortable that so many kids aspire to look like criminals, or that to be a successful hip hop artist you basically have to flaunt criminality like a badge of honour.
Now, I love hip hop. Or rather, I DID love hip hop. My record collection is positively bulging with the stuff, but I completely lost interest when the P Diddies, Notorious BIGs and Tupacs started appearing and the amount of casual violence, misogyny and worship of conspicuous consumption suddenly increased massively. And then stuck around. For a decade and a half. All the hip hop I love - J5, De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Mos Def - was either consciously "conscious", or obviously tongue in cheek. Even NWA at their best came off as playfully hyperbolic, rather than evil. Except later. When they came off as evil. But by then I'd stopped listening.
I know it's terribly square to feel uncomfortable with it all - I'm supposed to use phrases like "edgy street narrative" and celebrate Ludacris for exemplifying "vibrant urban culture". Or, at best, I'm supposed to "respect" Roll Deep for "telling it like it is".
But I can't. I can't get on board with an entire generation of kids gleefully turning themselves into vectors of corporate advertising. I can't get on board with the idea that getting shot eleventy times while working as a crack dealer is the hip hop equivalent of a YTS placement. I can't get on board with girls not batting an eyelid at being routinely referred to - sometimes by themselves - as "bitches" and worse, and objectified sexually in a way that might make a porn star wince.
I grew up believing that achievement is more important than wealth, that crime is basically disgusting and that women are brilliant. So the whole popular face of hip hop culture makes me feel a bit sick, these days. Sorry about that.
Good post, Rob. Interesting thoughts.
But I finks U sez dat coz U iz a batty-boy, innit?
(Um.. Do Da Yoof hyphenate batty-boy? Or iz I bein' one of dem pedantik cracker types again?)
Blud, punctuation is bare dark.
You need to, laaaaahk, sort it out bruv.
But yes, my batty status is the main motivation for disliking hip hop culture. ;-)
"Rob" ?
Has the omerta of those who attend the Massive London gatherings been broken and a real name given away? I dread the consequences.
(It was a good post by the way.)
Lenny Law...
...sleeps with the fishes.
of course he does
He's from Pompey, innit?
Some women are brilliant...
but I've also met a few bitches in my time.
I keep a ho' in my garden shed
along with a spade...
My sainted father in law...
...regularly and unwittingly doubles me up by telling me about his new collection of hoes and how he's spent all afternoon with his hoes and how you can never have enough hoes.
Apparently, he's also quite keen on gardening.
Corporate Advertising
Canesten - I've got 99 problems but an itch ain't one.
That would officially...
...be the best advertising campaign ever!
I am down once more
Since reading Nik Cohn's Triksta I have had a re-awakening in terms of music and being excited by it once more. I decided to plunge headlong into hip hop once more after leaving it in the early 90s. The mainstream stuff became increasingly cloying and the samples were obvious and crass. The lyrics, while never really saying nothing to me about my life, were also uninspiring.
Now I have discovered Cannibal Ox, Immortal Technique and AG. I have also revisited the old classics (NWA, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Pharcyde) and brought the best of the past 15 years including Ice Cube, Mobb Deep and Biggie's first album and I am bloody loving it.
The problem with the dress code is the lack of imagination since 1979. It hasn't really moved on but I now know that the music most certainly has evolved for the better.
*
Not to get all liberal on yo'ass, but these kids are working from a very lmited range of cultural choices. It's one thing to rail against US midle class 'wiggers' who've chosen hip hop culture as a rebellion opportunity, and quite another to complain about poor kids who grow up with such a limite cultural landscape that there choices are to follow the herd or get there heads kicked in in the playground.
I blame us
- teenage clothes are all about rebellion.
Now back in the olden days, when a day at the beach meant Dad in 25 year old cricket flannels and *shock* no tie, and Ma in a nice skirt and top (I have a photo of my then 37 year old mother, sitting on a rock in tweed skirt and twinset), it was fairly easy to go off the rails by chopping a couple of inches off every skirt you had, and wearing denims to go into town.
Of course today, us middly-ages are more or less wearing whatever goes, leaving the young 'uns with little choice other than having their arses hanging out of their trousers.
I take comfort in the fact that the peculiar gait they adopt to keep these nether garments from ending up in a puddle on the ground ain't half going to give then hip problems in old age :)
there's something about dreadlocks on white middle class people
that is wrong wrong wrong and one of the worst looks ever, most exemplified by the Crusties of the 90's. I recall when The Levellers were huge circa 93/94 and my indie disco being full of skanky looking blokes in dreads,dm's and dirty oversized jumpers all seemingly called Jez (real name Jeremy) .I'll never forget the hilarious irony of seeing dozens of these faux-scruffy twerps all dressed identically and all singing word for word along to the Leveller's There's Only One Life To Lead (And That's Your Own)
What was particuarly ludicrus and pretentious about the whole Crusty thing was it's belief it was really sticking it to The Man, when you knew damn well most of it's followers would be accepting daddy's offer of a banking job in the City once Uni was over.
Grebo
The genre that style forgot.
Anyone remember backwards jeans?
It's not ver yoof.
I'm from Newcastle, and when I was watching the film coverage of the recent Raoul Moat debacle I coul't help noticing that every single bystander was a fatbloke in a football top, trackies or shorts, and trainers. All of em. Dressing like a 10 year old has become the default uniform for the non-chattering classes.
It's not ver yoof.
I'm from Newcastle, and when I was watching the film coverage of the recent Raoul Moat debacle I coul't help noticing that every single bystander was a fatbloke in a football top, trackies or shorts, and trainers. All of em. Dressing like a 10 year old has become the default uniform for the non-chattering classes.