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Thomas Dolby talks his new record, Bowie, Joni, Prefab Sprout, a night at Michael Jackson's and the best view in pop

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Thomas Dolby is back with A Map Of The Floating City, which is a record, a game, maybe even a concept.

To mark its release he came into The Cupboard to talk about working with Trevor Horn, David Bowie, Prefab Sprout and Joni Mitchell; operating as musical director of TED, spending an evening at Michael Jackson's, making money through polyphonic ringtones and just generally trying to do things in a different way.

He currently lives and works on the Suffolk coast where he has a converted lifeboat as a studio which runs on wind and solar power. What he looks out on as he works is shown above, left.

He's also one of the best talkers we've ever had on the podcast.

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Hope it was done in Dobly

Looking forward to this. That solar powered lifeboat/studio combo looks amazing, I want one! Look!

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Dr Volume | 3 September 2011 - 2:00am

I look forward to that

especially hearing his view now of that period in 1985 when he played with Bowie at Live Aid, having also recently produced Joni’s Dog Eat Dog album.

I met him that summer, as we both waited for a bus at Piraeus to take us to Athens airport. With the inevitable delays at the airport, we had quite a long chat and he offered an insight into what it was like working with La Mitchell. He allowed me to listen to the, as yet unreleased, album and it was clear from his comments that it had been a mixed experience for him. He admired her as an artist but came away from the project with little that was good to say about it. Joni, he said, worked for long periods on her own in the studio, re-working ideas. It can’t have been easy for him, but having said that, he clearly made the best of the situation. His influence is all over the album, from the extensive use of the Fairlight to the lush textures on tracks like Fiction and Ethiopia.
Incidentally, this view of Joni as largely unproduceable is confirmed by Henry Lewy in an interview on the Joni Mitchell website.

Another anecdote I remember is that they wanted to use tape of a Southern preacher for the track Tax Free, but couldn’t get the pastor in question to agree. So they got in Rod Steiger to recreate the speech verbatim.

While I don't recall Dolby being particularly effusive about the experience with Joni, he couldn’t have been prouder of the Prefab Sprout album Steve McQueen.

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Nick Duvet | 3 September 2011 - 3:26am

Great podcast

and a very enjoyable conversation but Dog Eat Dog is shit. Dog shit in fact. And I speak as someone who will barely hear a bad word said against Joni.

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grac | 4 September 2011 - 8:46pm

Oh, I've been waitng for this...

Figured Mr Dolby's appearance was only a matter of time. Looking forward to this.

Once again, thankyou Mighty Wordsters.

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Simonk | 3 September 2011 - 3:25am

Tom and Joni

Much forwardest looking to hearing the Dolby - a very interesting guy. But hearing that Mitchell is a bugger to work with really comes as no surprise. She has a talent bordering on genius (depending on the charity of your definition), and that usually comes with baggage attached. Ultimately, what matters and what lasts is her music, which is pretty damn extraordinary.

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Burt Kocain | 3 September 2011 - 4:13am

Joni and Neil

It is possibly not a co-incidence from that (very talented) group of 60s/70s singer/songwriters, the two who have the reputation for being the hardest (Neil Young and Joni Mitchell) are the two who had the longest careers as creative artists (as opposed to being very enjoyable musicians). They both ploughed their own furrows, pretty much regardless of whether it sold or not. The others produced great music but stopped trying to push the boundaries (imho).

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paulwright | 3 September 2011 - 7:02am

And Joni's

tales of what it was like to be at Woodstock would have been interesting to hear, especially since she wasn't there.

She stayed behind in New York City to appear on The Dick Cavett Show and wrote the song in a hotel room after watching news reports of the festival.

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mojoworking | 5 September 2011 - 10:19am

We are mud splattered, we are golden

Here's the actual footage of the Cavett show with Joni, Crosby, Stills and the gorgeous Grace Slick.

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Nick Duvet | 5 September 2011 - 11:06am

If Cavett was any kind of interviewer

he would have put this question to Stills:

Is that a real poncho, I mean is that a Mexican poncho, or is that a Sears poncho? [(c) Zappa 1973]

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mojoworking | 5 September 2011 - 11:15am

can I interest you

in a pair of zircon encrusted tweezers?

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Nick Duvet | 5 September 2011 - 11:40am

Poncho

It's the same poncho he was wearing on stage if you look at the movie. Note v.cool Jack Cassady in the background.

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Twangothan | 6 September 2011 - 11:16pm

Dog eat dog

Come on people! There's nothing better than a bit of muck raking. A great podcast and a fascinating man. Time to dig out The Flat Earth and Hissing of the Summer Lawns again. Nice one Heppy!

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tigermountain74 | 4 September 2011 - 8:33am

For The Roses

Incidentally nice to hear someone namedropping For The Roses rather than Blue every frigging time. A much better album!

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tigermountain74 | 4 September 2011 - 8:39am

Amen

to that!

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grac | 4 September 2011 - 8:43pm

Any decent journalist

Would have asked him if Dolby was his real name.

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clivetemple | 4 September 2011 - 8:46am

This was a really excellent edition

I thoroughly enjoyed that, thanks to all involved.

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Jed Clampett | 4 September 2011 - 8:46am

Looking forward to this and I'd just like to add...

that while I think Dolby did sterling work for Prefab Sprout, it shouldn't be forgotten that The Golden Age of Wireless is a damn fine LP (still one of my all time favourites).

By the way, did you ask him about this none-more-eighties clips from the 1985 Grammys:

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Kit Hogue | 4 September 2011 - 9:10am

Synthesizer Medley

Well that's poured a cold bucket of water over at least three of my heroes. Yikes!

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tigermountain74 | 4 September 2011 - 10:00am

Howard Jones is your hero?

Howard Jones is your hero?

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Kit Hogue | 4 September 2011 - 10:48am

Ha ha

I was waiting for that!

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tigermountain74 | 4 September 2011 - 11:13am

Wow!

That suck!

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Gooner1050 | 4 September 2011 - 11:39am

Yeah

where was Jed?

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James Blast | 5 September 2011 - 11:59am

He was probably busy...

...throwing off his mental chains.

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Paul Waring | 5 September 2011 - 1:34pm

Dog

Where's the vegetarian dog?

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Twangothan | 6 September 2011 - 11:17pm

The folly's of youth

I think we all have times we must look back and think,'What a nob I was,' and Thomas this must be one of them. Still ultimately this exposure led to his future successes, his ability to use his name corporately with his company and ultimately earn him millions........Give me a ridiculous wig NOW!

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Chipsnorice | 4 September 2011 - 7:26pm

Unlistenable

Everything dreadful about that decade in one indigestible lump.

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Twangothan | 7 September 2011 - 12:18am

Err...

I kind of like it...

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Kit Hogue | 8 September 2011 - 8:24am

Men with hats

I suspect that one of the men in the photo at the top of this page has something in common with Richard Thompson and The Edge, to name but two.

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epigone | 4 September 2011 - 10:43am

No!

He's morphed into Loudon Wainwright!

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thecolonel | 5 September 2011 - 1:26pm

Just wanted to say

...one of the best Wordcasts and best interviews (or perhaps interviewer/interviewee combo) I've heard in ages.

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Harold Holt | 4 September 2011 - 12:46pm

fine podcast

Must admit to groaning slightly when I heard who this week's guest was having never cared for his music, but Dolby was an excellent interviewee

Regarding cock-ups at Live Aid, a few come to mind. The live broadcast of the Who segment went down for a bit. I also remember most of Bryan Adam's set being plagued by weird electrical feedback buzzing. Worst was Adam Ant's one-song set where after being introduced on stage by Harvey Goldsmith, there was an interminable wait before the band started playing the song.( In fact I think i read that out of all the acts at Live Aid, Adam Ant was the only artist performing with a single in the charts that week which went DOWN after the concert )

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Ricardo | 4 September 2011 - 6:16pm

Now tell me

You didn't really "groan slightly" when you heard who the guest was, did you?

Not that I care what anybody thinks of Thomas Dolby's music. The reason I got him in - the reason we get anyone in for the podcast - is we think they'll have something interesting to say and we believe they know how to take part in a conversation. It would be possible to book the podcast from here to doomsday with rock stars who enjoy huge popularity but simply can't put a sentence together. I like to think that people look past who's on the podcast and judge the conversation when it's over.

Maybe "groaning slightly" is just one of those expressions people use on the internet when what they mean is "I wasn't particularly interested". Maybe "groaning slightly" is what you meant. And that's your prerogative. All I wanted to say is that expressions like that do slightly chip away at my confidence when it comes to setting up different sorts of podcasts. They won't all work as well as each other but nor does every pub conversation turn out to be memorable. It shouldn't mean you don't enjoy it as it's going on.

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David Hepworth | 8 September 2011 - 11:39am

Maybe it was a silent groan

Dave - I've enjoyed pretty much all of the guest interviews ( apart from CW Stoneking). Knowing little about Mr Dolby other than his chart hits, I didn't think I'd get much enjoyment from the podcast, but I'm happy to admit I was wrong. Please continue with the diverse selection of guests

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Ricardo | 8 September 2011 - 6:14pm

But, but

He did say he enjoyed the interview. So in fact, if you choose a left field not so obvious interviewee who people like even starting from a neg perspective that's a real result isn't it? So I think following your instincts is working.

I thought it was really good, personally. And I am no fan of his music at all.

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Twangothan | 9 September 2011 - 7:41pm

Same here

I wasn't particularly excited to see it was Thomas Dolby as he seems responsible, either as performer or producer, for a certain sound that I can't stand, however I loved the podcast and found him an engaging and fascinating guest. And Dave seems to always pre-empt the questions that I would want to ask.

In general, the interviews I enjoy most are with people I know nothing about (Al Kooper, Jac Holzman), or whose music I don't particularly enjoy (Don Felder, Neil Tennant). If there was an interview with someone who filled both of these requirements (e.g. Paddy McAloon) I would probably be in raptures of delight.

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Podicle | 11 September 2011 - 12:03am

Another vote

for Paddy McAloon for what it's worth, although I am a fan. Personally, if Dolby had spent an hour talking about his work with the Prefabs I would have been well pleased, but this was still excellent.

New album on the way from the Sprouts apparently, so never a better time and Paddy is a good talker.

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KDH | 11 September 2011 - 12:54am

I always enjoy listening

to anyone connected with the music industry talking about the music industry. I've lost count of the number of BBC4 program's I've watched featuring artists that I don't particularly care about. Following on from the Joni theme, David Crosby & Graham Nash are touring next month, can I suggest a call to their PR person?

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grac | 9 September 2011 - 7:52pm

I am you as you are me

Thanks grac saved me a lot of 'thought 'organisining' and typing

you still did it better than I would

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James Blast | 9 September 2011 - 8:12pm

Dolby - for and against...

For - Prefab Sprout's mighty Steve McQueen (which he was very gracious in giving credit to Paddy et al).
Against - Teenagers playing annoying ringtones really loudly. His polyphonic work with Nokia surely to blame!

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pompeygeorge | 4 September 2011 - 6:30pm

Dolby - for

The track "The Flat Earth", quite dreamy and rather lovely, imho. There's a clip on YouTube of him playing this alone, building the track one instrument at a time, looping and sequencing.

Actually, think the whole album from which it comes is a gem, and constitutes a " for", too, with the exception of "Mulu".

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GCU Grey Area | 4 September 2011 - 7:03pm

Many years ago

I had a friend who lived on Dolby Road, Fulham SW6. I was forever asking him if it was a very quiet road to live in, due to the total absence of hiss, like.

Oh, how we laughed.

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mojoworking | 5 September 2011 - 1:57pm
pompeygeorge | 4 September 2011 - 6:34pm

He's still got it

This was from last year, sent to me by an old schoolfriend who directed the video.

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zenithuk | 4 September 2011 - 6:51pm

Is that the guy from The Hot Seats?

On fiddle?

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skirky | 9 September 2011 - 8:46pm

I still prefer Windpower

I still prefer Windpower though

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zenithuk | 4 September 2011 - 6:53pm

Dolby On

Great podcast. Dolby is a very underrated and original artist. I took against him years ago for a comment he made in passing about my home area. Something on the lines that the people of Middlesbrough might be impressed by Queen and their videos but he wasn't.

Despite this terrible slur, I managed to forgive him and even went to see him in concert in the University of East Anglia or was it Loughborough?

The Flat Earth is a fantastic album. This is a brilliant track.

And this was excellent too - you may have to click through to You Tube

Imagine a series on BBC4 about the history of record production presented by Thomas?

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russell123 | 4 September 2011 - 7:58pm

People slag off London all the time

Doesn't bother me for a moment.

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David Hepworth | 4 September 2011 - 8:52pm

Slagging

Yeah, but I was young then and it seemed to be important.

The chip on the shoulder fell off in later life!

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russell123 | 5 September 2011 - 7:40am

Really Enjoyed The Interview.

He comes across very well. He was on the other night on Vintage TV covering a lot of the same ground, so he's got the stories pretty much down pat. A real pro.

I'd love to know how much he got from Nokia.

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itfc1959 | 4 September 2011 - 9:05pm

A surprise ...

A middle-class kid who's neither too fond of himself nor trying to be one ov der lads, innit. This is very rare. Quite unselfconscious, and everything - everything - he said was interesting. I usually wander about the room (or the internet) while listening to the podcast, but I didn't wander from this one.

Oh - and his new album is very, very fine.

Hmm - the last podcast featured a middle-class kid, too. And they're both wearing I'M NOT BALD, I LIKE HATS hats.

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Burt Kocain | 5 September 2011 - 6:15am
Bob | 5 September 2011 - 11:33am

?

Your question "what's class got to do with anything?" seems to imply - correct me if I'm wrong - that making class distinctions is useless or meaningless? In any context? Or that class doesn't exist in a societal sense? Or it's somehow irrelevant? Why?

You might just as well have asked "what do hats have to do with anything?', or "what does baldness have to do with anything?"

They're just distinctions in language. What does your question "have to do with anything"?

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Burt Kocain | 5 September 2011 - 12:36pm

OK, more specifically...

...what's Dolby's class got to do with anything in the context of this podcast?

Actually, don't answer that. I'm trying not to get in arguments on the internet, but in this case your post just hit one of my buttons, because I assumed (possibly wrongly: sorry, if so) that there was an implied negative value judgement attached to your mention of Dolby's middle-classness.

For the record, I do think people bang on about class way too much, and it's a long-standing bugbear of mine, but on reflection I have no wish to enter into a disagreement about it.

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Bob | 5 September 2011 - 1:02pm

Well, Bob ...

... if I have caused unwitting offence to any of the hat-wearing, bald, middle-class kid demographic, I apologise unreservedly. To all of us.

(And with respect, Bob, if anyone's "banging on about class" in this thread, it's you.)

Shutting up, here!

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Burt Kocain | 5 September 2011 - 1:18pm

Great podcast

And what an entertaining and articulate chap Thomas Dolby is (his speaking voice sounds not unlike Elton John, in fact).

Stuff-ups at Live Aid?

How about Keith, Woody & Bob sleepwalking their way through a shambolic yet mercifully brief set? Broken guitar strings, three over-refreshed performers and Dylan doing his usual trick of playing songs they hadn't rehearsed. It was a total shambles from start to finish.

Also, Macca's microphone was turned off for most of the first verse of Let It Be.

And why do you think Led Zeppelin are not on the Live Aid DVD?

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mojoworking | 5 September 2011 - 10:29am

Duran Duran

Who can forget Simon Le bon's bum note in A View to a Kill?

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dai | 29 September 2011 - 8:46am

...I wonder does he know...

I posted on a thread here recently discussing Koyaanisqatsi, posing the question, which English musician is featured in the flash-frame TV footage section in the middle of the film...to zero response. Well the answer was Thomas Dolby. I think it's the video for She Blinded Me With Science. I wonder does he know that he appears in such a cinematic landmark.

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Bamber | 5 September 2011 - 1:40pm

Songwriting credits...

The most enlightening and surprising part of the podcast for me was when he came out in favour of joint credit for songwriting royalties between band members.Had he have lived, I'm sure that Mick Karn would've appreciated Thomas's assertion.

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bricameron | 6 September 2011 - 5:48am

Joni! Prefab Sprout! Bowie!

Talk about hitting my hot buttons! I got the horn! Talking of which - how about trying to wrangle Trevor Horn into the mighty Word Towers soundstage? After all, his work probably defined the sonic landscape of the youth of many of us here.

"Sheev"
"Yes"
"Did you really use the phrase 'sonic landscape'?"
"Yes...I...um. Yes"
"You will find a bottle of whiskey and a loaded revolver in the next room. I think you know what to do. Goodbye Sheev"
"Goodbye"

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Sheev | 6 September 2011 - 10:03am

Unexpected pleasure

I really enjoyed it and found TD very engaging. Surprisingly, as I find that 80s plinky drum machine synth pop stuff completely unlistenable. I'd be interested in hearing his new album to see how he's evolved.

PS extremely weedy personal connection - my sister hung out with him a bit in France in the 80s whilst he was recording there.

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Twangothan | 6 September 2011 - 11:27pm

Dolby

Great interview, though "New Toy" was actually 1981 not 1978! Can't believe Thomas got that three years out, particularly as it was the first time he had featured on a (minor) hit record. Incidentally, the other studio guests on TOTP that week were the Polecats, Graham Bonnet, Hazel O'Connor, Tony Capstick (!), Gillan and Bad Manners.

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Neil B | 9 September 2011 - 7:37pm

Really enjoyable...

That was a great example of why I love The Word in all its guises. I've never owned a Thomas Dolby record, his music has hardly impacted on me at all and yet listening to him on the podcast was both entertaining and enlightening and has resulted in my viewing him in a new light. It just goes to show that interesting people are interesting people, irrespective of whether they're amongst one's personal favourite artists or not.

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Patrick Crowther | 9 September 2011 - 9:38pm

Loved the podcast

I won't (daren't!) use the word 'groan' but, as 80s artists go, he is fairly low down on a list of people I'd like to hear from, but he was thoroughly interesting even about subjects & artists I care little for. So press on with people as articulate and erudite as he; fear not for groans.

However, I am sorry to say that his latest project does sound like the work of someone with immense technical and musical talent combined with enormous (Nokia-funded) wealth and stacks of free time.

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kb | 15 September 2011 - 10:39am

Unreliable memory?

New Toy by Lene Lovich was a number 53 smash in 1981.
Interesting and erudite speaker.
If that opening track is anything to go by, dreadful lyricist.
edit - just realised Neil B said the same above. As you were.

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badartdog | 20 September 2011 - 7:45am

One of the best podcasts ever

Just caught up with this today. I *was* actually interested to hear what Thomas Dolby had to say, because without ever being a fan I quite liked a couple of his singles, he's worked with Trevor Horn, and because he came up with God's own synth line on Waiting For A Girl Like You. So even if he'd been grumpy and monosyllabic there would have been something in it for me. But he was articulate, interesting, engaged, and modest (yet without false modesty).

I may not ever be a big fan of the music, but as of now I am a huge fan of the man.

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legal_man | 20 September 2011 - 9:47pm
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