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Things they ALWAYS say...
Now don't get me wrong, nobody plumps up a cushion higher than i do for a BBC4 rockumentary but we really should be issued with some sort of interactive QI-siren kit for when the following inevtitable cliches appear from the mouths of musicians -
1. "Nobody had ever seen/heard anything like it before" YES. THEY. HAD. In fact in all probability they'd seen/heard The Beatles do it.
2. "I just bought my first guitar/drumkit & I've never looked back" In other words i bought my first guitar/drumkit 20 or 30 years ago, had some success for 18 months & have been looking back on those golden years ever since.
3. "Yeah, i wrote [insert name of biggest hit] in 5 mins while i was having a piss and doing a crossword". Neil Sedaka has a particularly self-congratulatory spin on this that sees him writing his 3 most famous songs in half an hour - the inference being that his talent was prodigious enough to allow this, and that he could be that great that easily.
Any more examples, boys & girls...?
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the word
now I agree that the word is mighty good read but i wish you would stop pretending to be a music magazine. A media mag perhaps? There are so few album reviews and more stuff about TV, radio, comedy,personalites and cinema than music these days. No doubt you can disprove this statistically by adding up column inches much in the way that politicians try to prove that they have our best interests at heart but I start to be disappointed.
Whoops there goes my place in heaven
Scunts
I've no idea if there's statistically *more* of the other stuff
...although I seriously doubt it. But the fact is I find the majority of this extra stuff fascinating. Was just catching up on an old podcast the other day - the one with the segment about how TV programmes get commissioned (which linked to an article on the same theme) and thought it was brilliant. I can't think of any other mag with the same mix. More power to 'em, I say.
Fair enough to share that gripe, Scunters, but did you have to hijack Danger Fourpence's thread to do so? It was - in a round-about way - about music after all. It's not like he was posting about Doctor Who.
I don't understand exactly what you're saying
A magazine which has musical artists on the cover, lots of interviews with same inside and comes with a free CD every issue is fairly clearly committed to music. At the same time the interests of the editorial team and a lot of the readers range beyond music into adjacent areas. Are you saying you would like less of this and more music? And if so, which music?
Last issue
Had 44 pages about music out of 112. Not counting adverts etc. It is clearly not a music mag, but more about popular culture generally, telly etc. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it does lead me towards mags which actually have a lot about music in them too. Mind you I am not interested in most telly or popular culture to be honest so I don't read those bits.
I was talking to Andrew Harrison about this at the Word drink last week - I think you should definately be of the now, not a retro mag like many of the others, but there is room for a bit of "someone obscure from the past you might like" too. And more coverage of folk/roots/country stuff as well as poppier stuff would be great. And I know zip about modern classical but would like to. Less TV and more music please.
the issue with flaming lips on front
has 59 pages of music and 20 plus pages of music adverts (which are sometimes as useful in letting you know what's going on as editorial)including the front and back pages which had pictures of musicians on them.
That's settled then
When can we expect Fraser's cookery page? It's what the magazine has been missing all these years.
What !
My memory may be failing me these days, but I seem to remember that this magazine has been covering not just music but film,TV and books since day 1 so I can't really see what your point is unless you're just trolling.
Here's another one
"This new record is our best yet. I know everyone says that but it really is.
Stand up Comedians
Not a musician’s cliché but one from stand-up comedians. “I never thought of being a comedian, until I was in a comedy club one night, and I’d had a few drinks, and my friends said you’re funny and egged me on to get up there. And after standing on that stage, I knew that this was what I wanted to do.”
I think it was Fred MacAulay who gave a more realistic view. He was in the audience of a comedy club for the first time, really wanted to go on stage, but realised he couldn’t think of anything to say. After six months, he had worked up about ten minutes of material, which he had tried out on friends. Then he felt he could go on stage for the first time (sober).
It’s a bit of a variation on your third point – the message is, I didn’t really have to try.
That's exactly it...
I-didn't-even-have-to-try Syndrome. A close relative is We'd-have-been-huge-if-we'd-tried Syndrome, usually afflicts unsuccessful bands in those genre-history documentaries.
"Yeah they wanted us to tour America/release a single/go on TOTP but that's not what we were about." ie if we'd done those things we'd have been bigger than U2...
"My audience (insert relevant demographic "year olds")
we have kids to grannys come along" real meaning "hey I'm still relevant honest"
It never occurs to them...
...that the youngsters are there purely to keep their rather frail and frightened elderly fanbase company, and to make sure they get home safely, does it...?
It probably works the other way too
I'm sure at least parents ended up having to company their children to see their preferred acts too. I definitely saw a few parents with early–mid teen kids at a Bat For Lashes gig recently.
A golden example from the late Eighties
usually uttered by spotty landfill indie chancers:
"There's always been a dance element to our music"
Coined by The Soup Dragons
When they started out, they were Lidl Buzzcocks, classic anorak-wearing indie kids.
Then - shazam! - remix a-gogo!
Upon reforming the band
"We always felt that there was unfinished business"
which translates as
"We always felt that there were unpaid bills, and we couldn't get arrested as solo acts"
Any Sunday night TV show retropsective
from The Brothers to Howards' Way to Monarch Of The Glen:
'Even Church services had to start earlier so everyone could get back in time to see it'
"The commercial aspect?
I've never thought about it really. I mean, obviously it would be nice to make tons of money, but I'd never compromise the music for financial gain."
The summer of love
Unbearably dull cliche which recently was used, if memory serves, to describe February 1967.
in London...
on the Kings Road...
between numbers 24 and 136.
For the rest of us, life went on as before :-)
cue voiceover
"...and then things changed, literally, overnight..."
Bonus points for inclusion of the phrase "ushered in a new era of..."
This is an ongoing bugbear for me
"Bright new decade" syndrome we had it again the other day to describe the "bright young people/things". The idea that before they came along everything was grey and dull and nobody had sex. Now admittedly there had been a war but in their parents teenage there was Oscar Wilde and friends doing much the same and so back into history.
But we get the same thing on BBC4 music every week whichever era they are talking about. The movement in the spotlight sprung into life casting aside the doom laden previous era. So synthpop threw aside the dull grey seventies which presumably couldn't stay colourful from the previous programme where the 1960's threw aside the greyness of the 1950's who busily throwing aside the greyness of the 1940's......
"We make music for ourselves..
..If anyone else likes it, it's a bonus."
The Legend's Magic Touch
"A friend of ours sent our demo to Jerry Crotchitch, just for a laugh like, because Curtains of Heartache is one of Baz's favourite albums of all time. Then, completely out of the blue, Baz got a call. Jerry wanted us to go down to his place in Baton Rouge to record us. We knew he had a bit of a reputation, and in some respects it's true - the guns, the bourbon, the self-contained underwater breathing apparatus - but he's in complete control. It's uncanny, really. And he knew how to bring out the best in us like nobody else before or since. I mean, the tambourine on "Vermilion Vermin", for instance? That's got Jerry written all over it. Without him it would never happened. Never."
"Well, that's Archie's take on it
- but hey that's fine. He and Jerry just hit it off. Think my head was already like elsewhere? I'd been reading a lot of Castaneda, y'know? And that one day, I just took off into the mountains. Just me and Janine - and I don't know - I guess - that's when I knew. So, I came back and I just said "Guys, that's it. I'm outta here". They were like totally blown away. Begging me to stay and stuff. Even Jerry said "you're the real soul of this band, you're the heart of it. If you leave you'll rip its heart out". I knew and I felt bad about that part. I knew without me that they wouldn't, couldn't be the same - but I just said "Jerry, Archie - time for me to split" And I just split. Just me, my guitar, my old lady and the Harley."
Jerry Crotchitch reminisces
"Who? Oh, you talkin' about those guys from England was arguin' all the time like a buncha goddam high-school girls? I didn't work on that reckid. Sure, I took their money - this is a bidness, idnit? - but work? Naw. I heard them play and thought, "What's the point?" I do remember havin' a bit of fun on that reckid, though. They had this godawful song about red rats or some crazy half-assed nonsense and I thought if I have to hear a playback of this horseshit one more time somebody's gonna get hurt real bad. So I stuck a multi-tracked tambourine on it and mixed it up so high it drowned out the goddam vocals. They thought I was some kind of genius. Jeez, what a bunch of assholes."
"people say -
after all the fights and the battles and the lawyers - how can you and Arch get back together? Well, first of all - it's nothing to with the money. Second of all - its nowhere near £20 million. It's much closer to something like 19. But you know what the press can be like -blowing things out of all proportion.
Look, I guess there are times when you, like, move forward? And sometimes it's good to go back. So I'm moving on - and at the same time - moving back? If that makes sense?"
"Wasted elegance"
used whenever the name Keith Richards crops up or to describe anyone who apires to be just like him when they grow up. It doesn't really mean anything at all.
I love...
"We didn't realise at the time exactly HOW huge it was gonna be".
"Change was in the air, man, it was everywhere. Vietnam, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King. I think some of that craziness...just came out in our music".
"Of course it was obvious by '75 that it was time for something new."
"Hendrix, Dylan, Lennon - these people were like Gods to us."
"When I heard "Heartbreak Hotel" coming out of my crackly radio, it was what I'd been waiting for. No-one else was speaking to me. No one else was speaking FOR me"
"It was obvious by the time 'Tusk'/'Sandinista'/'Tales From Topographic Oceans'/'Here, My Dear'/'Neither Fish Nor Flesh'/'Metal Machine Music' came along that things had gone too far, and we just need to take some time out and get back to basics.
and, apropos of not much, here is my new favourite piece of krautrock journalese:
"Post War Germany: From the rubble of a terrible past came a new sound. Not like the traditional music of the old Germany, and certainly not like the music of America or Britain, but a music whose influence is still being felt today..."
and I forgot
"No, I'll still stand by that album. I think the songs are pretty good, it's just that the production let them down. I know that it's become quite a cult now, actually, and the younger fans love it."
"getting it together
in the country" usually uttered by the voiceover
"Maaaan, that first rehearsal was amazing...
we just knew instantly the chemistry was right. There were magical forces at work, let me tell you."
We auditioned lots of people...
... but the moment X walked into the room we knew we had found our singer/drummer/marimdbaist.
See also: We didn't audition them, they auditioned us.
May I offer
"This is the album we've been waiting to make"
"well, we thought long and hard about whether to carry on after Baz left and although to a lot of people he was The Fingers, we just weren't ready to call it a day. So we advertised for a new guitarist and although we auditioned a lot of guys - top talent all of them, none of them felt quite right, they just didn't hit the vibe y'know.
Then one night, between gigs - and we were just at the point of giving up - we saw Flick with his band in a backstreet boozer in Lowestoft/Hartlepool/Todmorden and his playing blew us away man, it was like seeing ourselves as we used to be. So we jammed a bit and it was so immediate y'know, he was just born to be a Finger, he was the missing piece man. He's brought a whole new freshness and energy to the band"
"It feels like the first album"
"That's why we called it insert name of band here". (Not because we ran out of all ideas during the mixing sessions for the last album when we desperately padded out the 19 minutes we had)
Ian McCulloch
For every solo or Bunnymen album over the last 20 years - it's the best thing I've done since Ocean Rain.
Arrows
if I could give you another 14 'ups' I would, that is so true
meh..
Ocean Rain wasn't even the best thing he'd done since Ocean Rain.
EatB
that's where I parted company, the first 3 were great (HUH is still in my top 5) and I really hate The Killing Moon, even more so since Donnie Drecko
Eat B
That's a much better name than Echo and ver bleedin Bunnymen - would have been bigger had they sashayed under that handle
Heaven Up Here
Yeah, my favourite of theirs too. Classic stuff.
"Porcupine" never seems to get enough credit, nice to see the cd reissue a few years back included the mighty "Fuel" though.
Fuel
yes, just wonderful (pun avoided)
and fellow b-side "The Subject"
best bit of noise they ever did.
I'm still giggling at the thought of Will Sargeant sashaying...
It's very organic sounding
Granted, better than saying sounds like shit.
Mine
" we were just messing about in the stuido really and (dominant member) said 'that's it!'. Next thing we know...etc "
"we owe it to our fans, who are the best in the world"
I did admire Liam Gallagher's honesty when he said that they don't feel like they owe it to the fans (to reschedule a tour). I think he said "I don't owe anything to any f***er". Good for him!
"We're not doing any interviews
"We're not doing any interviews to promote this album".
Which Q, around the time of Kid A, took to actually mean:
We're not doing any interviews, to promote this album."
it's a subtle but clever distinction, methinks.
subtle
eh, yeah pretty damn
"And, of course, at the time...
...there were a lot of drugs about." (rueful shake of the head)
Bullsh*t Bingo
I, and many others, have played this game in particularly boring meetings and offices.
As I'm sure you're aware, a number of pre-printed cards are issued containing the most likley Bullshit phrases or cliches, and the winner is the first to complete their card.
Must try the same with the next BBC4 (or wherever) documetary broadcast.
My guess, about 10 to 20 minutes of an hour long documentary to complete.
Well actually
we did the collaboration with Cliff Richards/Andrew Lloyd Webber/Budgie because we’ve always been fans, and they’re such a massive influence on pop music today. They are actually really up to speed with the current scene and they love new music.
Making this album has been a voyage for all of us
Trans 'We fought so much in the studio that we've got to the point where each one of us abhors every molecule of oxygen that keeps the others alive. Jesus, if it weren't for the money.....'