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I only discovered this week (and Ken Bruce can take credit for this) that Michael McDonald was in The Doobie Brothers. Beyond liking some of their songs, their line-up is not something I'd ever given much thought to, but it struck me that maybe this was something I should have known sooner.

It started me thinking about other things I've been slow to glean over the years. Remember the 90s sitcom Birds of a Feather? I always thought this was dreadful but for a time it was almost unavoidable because its stars would often crop up on chat shows, in the papers or whatever and inevitably I occasionally ended up seeing bits of it. Even though it's central to the plot, and probably because I wasn't paying attention, it was only years later that I realised the two main characters were sisters rather than just friends. I suppose the clue was in the title, really.

An example from everyday life: it took me a long time to work out that the little spike built into the cap of a tube of ointment, tomato puree etc was to pierce the foil seal on the tube. In the years prior to this epiphany, I had done this with a knife, pair or scisssors or other sharp object.

Similarly, someone was telling me that up until the age of about 16, a girl they knew did not think penguins were real creatures. She believed them to have been created solely to advertise the McVitie's chocolate biscuit of the same name.

I've shown my ignorance quite enough for one day, but I'm wondering if anyone else has any other instances of being slow on the uptake that they'd be prepared to confess to.

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Good King Wenceslas and burned britches

It’s only a couple of years ago that I discovered that the Christmas carol that I’d been bellowing away for forty odd years actually went “Good King Wenceslas looked out on the feast of Stephen” rather than, as I‘d always thought, “Good King Wencless last looked out on the feast of Stephen.”

My wife meanwhile, was also comfortably in her ’40s before discovering that the phrase about reckless behaviour leaving you in a situation from which you can’t retreat was “burn your bridges” not, as she had always thought, “burn your britches”. Her explanation, something about standing too close to the fire at the risk of setting alight one’s trousers as a metaphor for reckless behaviour does have a certain amount of logic I suppose.

Meanwhile a mutual friend of both me and my sister, who we got to know separately via another mutual friend when we were both adults living in different parts of the country, with (as she’s married) different surnames, knew us both for a good fifteen years before discovering that we were related.

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Richard Lowe | 19 June 2009 - 9:25am

I had the impression that

that Led Zeppelin were called Led Zeffflin for some reason.

I was 8 - but there's no excuse

It seems to be hereditary as my little boy seeing me with a bottle of Becks said "you like beard don't you, daddy?".

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Sheev | 19 June 2009 - 10:03am

nah

you had a premonition of Fields of the Zefilim

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James Blast | 19 June 2009 - 4:14pm

I always thought that

"Subtle" and "Suttle" were two different words that meant the same thing. Imagine my chagrin.

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Cookieboy | 19 June 2009 - 10:01am

Michael McDonald was only in the Doobies

post-1975. He was drafted in as an emergency replacement when the singer/guitarist/front-man/writer Tom Johnston retired hurt.

There's a view that the band's best work was done when Tom Johnston was at the helm and the McDonald-era was merely milking it.

This view, of course, ignores the fact that the McDonald band had all the real commercial success :-)

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stimpy | 19 June 2009 - 10:12am

Pre-McDonald Doobies arguably better

but I love the sound that McDonald era Doobs make

The sublime Minute by Minute is a great example

http://open.spotify.com/track/7mPvuDk62fewbtei7TO23U

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Sheev | 19 June 2009 - 10:18am

I tend to agree with your assesment, sheev

He does have a stunning voice. Here's a period piece - before he went grey :-)


His backing vocals on Aja are a work of beauty in their own right. The Classic Albums DVD includes a whole section where he, Becker & Fagen dissassemble his vocal tracks. Can't find it on Youchoob though

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stimpy | 19 June 2009 - 10:29am

You Tube has just informed me that...

either I, The Doobie Brothers or something as yet unexplained has 'invalid perameters'. I hate it when You Tube doesn't work... it's not as if it's free or anything ;)

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Patrick Crowther | 19 June 2009 - 7:52pm

Altho' he is somewhat on autopilot these days

churning out covers, he really does have one of the white soul voices. I thought the Doobies very strange at the time, going from anthemic chugalongs to suddenly being all blue-eyed balladry, so I tend to think of them as 2 distinct groups, rather than subscribe to the schizophrenia of their greatest hits package.

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What was that Yah-mo be there all about, tho'? That nearly made me never ever risk his name again, not least as I kept calling him Malcolm McDonald.

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Retropath2 | 19 June 2009 - 10:46am

Michael McDonald is also one of the stars...


..of alterna music history Yacht Rock.

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pagettypol | 19 June 2009 - 11:14am

When I was a nipper...

...I thought people used to see in black and white (perceptually not morally). And that girls were never taught history because it was deemed too bloodthirsty.

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doomah | 19 June 2009 - 11:17am

Only recent realised that "Sandie Shaw"...

... was a pun. How did I miss that?

In my early years I was convinced that stuffing was actually poisonous unless you ate it with chicken or turkey, which my infant mind presumably thought contained the "antidote." I have no absolutely no idea how I got this idea into my head, beyond observing that people only ate stuffing with chicken, and assuming that must be the reason... I've been over it for a few years now though :)

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Metal Mickey | 19 June 2009 - 11:26am

Ditto re Sandie Shaw

Only dawned on me very recently too.

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Hosskins | 19 June 2009 - 12:31pm

Um.

Sandie Shaw? I think I've only just found that out this moment.

Um.

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SimonL | 19 June 2009 - 2:10pm

Ahhh!

Me too!

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DanP | 20 June 2009 - 1:37pm

Oops!

Me three.

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Old_Nick | 24 June 2009 - 3:37am

It doesn't work

unless you're English (and I suspect southern too)

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Gramsci | 25 June 2009 - 1:21pm

OMG

No?!!

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Paul T | 26 June 2009 - 9:15am

The rest of the English

The rest of the English speaking world don't put an 'r' at the end of 'Shaw'.....

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Gramsci | 29 June 2009 - 5:06pm

We get our own back...

...with Fae Fife.

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embraman | 29 June 2009 - 7:34pm

I had to have that explained to me by a Scot

about 5 years ago - I must have seen the Rezillos (and Revillos) 4 or 5 times back in the day but it never clicked with me.

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stimpy | 30 June 2009 - 2:06pm

er..

I used to love her loads, but I'm missing the pun .. care to elaborate?

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badartdog | 30 June 2009 - 8:14pm

fae = from

and she was from Fife, nes pas?

nb. a Weegie would say 'frae' rather than 'fae', it's an east coast/west coast thaang

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James Blast | 30 June 2009 - 8:18pm

ahem

"I'm Fae Fife" is either what the sultriest star Auld Caledonia ever produced would say on greeting Sir Sean Connery and giving him her delightful stage name, or else it is how a young lady from The Kingdon Of Fife would describe her geographic roots.

*hides behind sofa and waits for battle of LULU/CLARE GROGAN/SHIRLEY MANSON*

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elhombremalo | 30 June 2009 - 8:38pm

Sandie Shaw

I saw that, but my big worry is Lou Rawls.......

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rowlandwithaw | 25 June 2009 - 2:37pm

We've all been there

When Stuart Maconie was on the Radio 2 Drivetime show, they had a phone/text-in about a topic similar to this. Someone called in and admitted that, for years, they'd thought the phrase was "no rest for the whippet." I nearly crashed the car from laughing.

When I was very young, there used to be a request slot on a local radio show, and I genuinely thought that lots of bands sat around in a room, only for one to be chosen. The band would then play live, while the other groups would commiserate with each other and think: "maybe next week..." Ok, I admit, I was 27 at the time.

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peterthecook | 19 June 2009 - 11:47am

Another Zepiphany

Only well into this century did I learn, from some doco, that Led Zeppelin is a pun. It's obvious really, and rather heavy-handed at that.

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Clockwork Creep | 19 June 2009 - 11:50am

It is?

How's that then? Let's epperl in? I've no idea.

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Neil Jung | 19 June 2009 - 3:41pm

Technically, I don't think it's a pun as such

but I dropped English Language after O-level so I can't tell you what figure of speech it actually is.

Litotes? Auxesis? Epizueksis? Meiosis?

They're all Greek to me

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stimpy | 19 June 2009 - 5:21pm

INXS

For years I believed it was pronounced "inkses"

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Doug B | 19 June 2009 - 1:14pm

My Mum one year

enquired whether I wanted Inks Greatest Hits for Christmas.

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Mikhail | 19 June 2009 - 2:09pm

Rob Halford

I was the last to find out he was gay

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James Blast | 19 June 2009 - 2:03pm

Is he????

:-)

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Mikhail | 19 June 2009 - 2:10pm

Just discovered

that Axl Rose is an anagram of "complete tosser"

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Beany | 19 June 2009 - 2:13pm

I still don't know what Antony Hegarty is?

Not whether he likes blokes or not, who cares, but given the vague suggestions that he speaks for transgender individuals, is he transferring from "Wayne" to "Jayne"? Just interested. Suppose it's a bit nosy, but....

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Retropath2 | 19 June 2009 - 2:20pm

Transgender?

He sounds like an amphibian trapped in a well if you ask me.

Read a report in New York Times recently that suggested frogs were becoming hermaphrodite through ingestion of pesticides - maybe that's what's happening?

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Sheev | 19 June 2009 - 2:34pm

BT ad

Remember the long-running BT ads starring Maureen Lipman as a stereotypical Jewish mum called Beattie? It was about five years into the campaign before I realised that her name was a pun on the advertiser’s name. I think I actually blushed when it dawned on me.

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Tim Turner | 19 June 2009 - 3:24pm

Oh, *now* I see

I'm so glad I read this far down. You really do learn something new every day.

BT! *Wanders off, shaking head...*

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nigelthebald | 19 June 2009 - 9:52pm

B-T! Beattie!!

D'oh, penny drops......

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Retropath2 | 19 June 2009 - 3:34pm

and you've

got an 'ology

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Sheev | 19 June 2009 - 3:37pm

My Dad...

...could never understand why Judy Garland wanted to "weigh a pie" in Somewhere Over The Rainbow.

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Formbyman | 19 June 2009 - 3:42pm

but..

Just head for www.kissthisguy.com to see much worse..

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rowlandwithaw | 25 June 2009 - 2:41pm

opprobrium

and salubrious

One is a bad thing, the other a good thing.

But the one that is good I thought was bad and the one that is bad I thought was good

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Sheev | 19 June 2009 - 3:42pm

I like the Barry Scott cleverness.

Barry Scott: Cillit Bang!
Wonderfully inventive dipthongs.
Laugh, I snorted the whole bottle!

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Retropath2 | 19 June 2009 - 3:45pm

I was misled

for many, many years by Hugh Cornwell's line in Peaches about "Is she trying to get out of that clitoris?"

I was 12. I thought maybe women shed their skins, like snakes.

Apparently it's a pun on a french bathing suit - no bloody good to me now, is it, Wikipedia? Where were you in '78?

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Captain Underpants | 19 June 2009 - 3:56pm

Eh? What?

I have no idea what you're on about.

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Neil Jung | 19 June 2009 - 4:29pm

this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaches_(song)

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Captain Underpants | 19 June 2009 - 4:50pm

In the loft

I have a copy of it in the loft but haven't played it ina long time, if ever (someone gave me a load of singles once). I certainly don't recal that lyric; maybe I have the re-recorded version.

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Neil Jung | 22 June 2009 - 1:10pm

There was a radio edit

In those days you weren't allowed to say words like "clitoris" on the radio so the single replaced it with "bikini" (which is actually more logical if you happened to have missed the apparent play on words.

For years I thought clitoris was pronounced in the way Hugh Cornwell sings it (with the emphasis on the first syllable not the second)

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The Amorous Hum... | 25 June 2009 - 11:01am

right get out the lot of you

none of you can top this.

First episode of Knowing Me Knowing You, with Alan Patridge, and I took it seriously. I was genuinely horrified that Roger Moore wasn't going to turn up.

*edit* okay it didn't take me years to realise this - more a week or so, when i recognised the guests as being 'recycled' but as the group is fessing up, i thought I'd get this one off me chest!

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ivan | 19 June 2009 - 5:03pm

Think I may have mentioned this before

But when I was a primary school kid, my mother convinced me that newsagents were open after school hours only for the sale of the evening newspaper (the Liverpool Echo, in our case) and on no account for the sale of anything else they may ordinarily have on offer.

Like sweets, for instance.

I believed this right through my teens.

And a part of me still believes it, deep down.

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Paul Waring | 19 June 2009 - 5:57pm

For years, I've talked of "sobbling up gravy"

...with a piece of bread. It's something my dad has always said. I happened to mention it at a posh Sunday Lunch once, and got into a big debate with the host as to whether it was, in fact a word. I bullishly retrieved a dictionary, though it must have been defective as it wasn't mentioned...

I say it SHOULD be a word.

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nicktf | 19 June 2009 - 7:46pm

Xmas...

I was given the role of narrator in a school play because the kid who was supposed to do it was ill. I was doing great until I saw the word 'Xmas' and pronounced it with an 'x'. The room filled with laughter, I felt like a twat and yet didn't understand why everyone was rolling around on the floor. My teacher informed me afterwards that it was pronounced 'Christmas'. I think my hatred of Christmas was born that dreadful day.

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Patrick Crowther | 19 June 2009 - 7:57pm

I hate Xmas

I mean I'm not a religious fanatic or anything but its Christmas - Xmas is just so goddam lazy.

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Gramsci | 25 June 2009 - 2:01pm

Xmas

Blame Byron... yes that one: he coined the word apparently

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rowlandwithaw | 25 June 2009 - 2:43pm

Was it Bill Hicks who did a bit about...

... people abbreviating "July" to "Jul"?

"Wow, you've got to be in some f**king hurry..."

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Metal Mickey | 25 June 2009 - 3:23pm

Dogs and Cats

Thankfully I can hide behind the anonymity of the board and confess that until the age of 11 (might have been 12) I thought dogs were male dogs and cats were female dogs.

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Pinmonkey | 19 June 2009 - 8:43pm

Cats and dogs

This made me smile. I love the way you fill things in as a child and it all seems as logical as the 'true' stuff. I was about 8 when I found out that girls' voices don't break like boys' do. I also thought when I was small that if you had a younger brother he would one day be older than you, in the same way that he would be taller.

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Evangeline | 23 June 2009 - 6:55pm

Injury Time

As a small boy I would like to listen with my Dad to live football commentaries on the radio.

Often as not, at the end, I'd hear the commentator state 'Well, we're into injury time now...'

To my pint-sized mind this conjured up graphic images of the actual game being forgotten by the players as they leapt at the chance to legally beat f*ck out of each other. I thought it meant it was time for them to injure each other.

It was only some years later while in my teens and watching MOTD I realised it referred to time added on due to stoppages made to treat players injured earlier.

Felt a numpty then - feel a numpty now.

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Andy Barrons | 19 June 2009 - 9:29pm

I think

they should change the laws of the game for this, what a corking idea!

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Mikhail | 21 June 2009 - 1:42pm

Injury time

Isn't that what football is all about?! Priceless

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rowlandwithaw | 25 June 2009 - 2:46pm

Scratchings

I always thought when a horse was "scratched" from a race and would not run that it was due to a physical injury. My young mind always got sad and thought, "Why don't they do something to protect them and stop these poor horses being scratched all the time?"

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Cookieboy | 19 June 2009 - 9:38pm

After tonight, finally...

...Leonard Cohen. A blind spot rectified.

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Doods | 20 June 2009 - 12:48am

Jeff Buckley

When I was in my early twenties I must have read an article somewhere about Jeff Buckley and thought he would be to my taste. However, when I remembered to check him out I mistakenly picked up an album by Jeff Healey and couldn't understand what the fuss was about. I took me a good few years until I realised my mistake and I could have kicked myself. I even missed seeing JB at the Reading Festival in 1994 (gnashes teeth).

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Andrew James Taylor | 20 June 2009 - 1:56pm

Pooh

As a boy , and for an embarrasingly long time , I thought that "Tigger" was a perfectly valid pronunciation of "tiger" and both could be used in normal conversation.

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On The Fence | 21 June 2009 - 8:53am

Hotel

When I was 15 we moved to North Wales. I'd see signs with the words 'Hotel Gwesty' and for years I thought this was the name of a hotel chain until my dad gave me a withering look and told me that "gwesty" was Welsh for "hotel".

I know there's some program called 'Never Seen Star Wars' but a few months ago a friend sent me the URL for this video which I think is quite amusing in the context of this thread:


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Ahh_Bisto | 22 June 2009 - 1:35pm

I grew up in North Wales

and for years I thought that there was a place to stay near my grandparents house called Y Ha ("y" being Welsh for "the"). Only realised years later that it was in fact the Youth Hostel Association (YHA).

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ceepee | 23 June 2009 - 10:21am

Under the sea..

My Mother-in-law, an otherwise highly inteligent and academic woman, was in her 40s before she found out that sea horses were not mythical beasts.

Conversely, one Saturday afternoon the film 'Splash' was showing - my friend's son (18 at the time) whilst gazing whistfully at Daryl Hannah, asked me rather hopefully if 'mermaids actualy existed, historicaly?'.

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DavidH | 23 June 2009 - 5:44pm

Someone once told me that...

That whisky was good for you. Made you feel good, you see.
And obviuosly the more one drank, the better one felt.
Can't even stand the smell, 25years later.

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geacher53 | 23 June 2009 - 6:33pm

The Light

rather sweetly believed that her pet cat did actually decide to go off and live in the woods one day well ino her 20s. Until, rather cruelly I felt - her mother, of all people - let the dreadful truth be known

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Sheev | 23 June 2009 - 6:41pm

and...

the suspense is killing!

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James Blast | 23 June 2009 - 9:27pm

rather prosaically

it involved a Skoda

A Skoda! I ask you. Hardly a cool cat exit

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Sheev | 23 June 2009 - 9:37pm

Drat!

I've read that book/seen that fillum

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James Blast | 23 June 2009 - 9:47pm

Interesting fact or then again,maybe not

Škoda,as written in Czech,can mean "Damage" or "A Pity"

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paul beard | 25 June 2009 - 5:47pm

Very apt

Car did damage to cat and a pity for The Light's happy imaginings to be brusquely sundered.

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Sheev | 25 June 2009 - 6:20pm

I still don't know the following...

1. "four inches of rainfall overnight"

This implies that if I walked along the road, the water from the fallen rain would be sloshing over my toes.

But does it actually mean 4 inches in a measuring tray at the BBC weather centre? If so, doesn't the size of said tray determine how many inches of rainfall are measured?

Let us suppose that the thinnest test tube in the world is 4 inches long - and it is only wide enough to accept a single raindrop. That raindrop might fill up the thinnest test tube in the world. Is that "four inches of rainfall"?

2. "a south-easterly wind"

Does that mean where the wind is coming from, or where it is going to?

At times, I have raised these questions and the initial snorts of derision turn into hesitant stacatto as people gradually realise that they don't know either.

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Austin | 24 June 2009 - 4:41am
nigelthebald | 24 June 2009 - 8:06am

Measuring rainfall

As long as the surface area of the top of the tube is the same as footprint of the tube then the tube will measure the amount of rain that fell on that specific area of ground.

'Four inches of rainfall overnight' suggests that, on a specific area of ground (that covered by a measuring device) four inches of rain fell.

The reason it isn't sloshing over your feet when you walk down the road are many and varied but can generally be explained as follows:

Roads are rarely totally level
Roads are drained

:-)

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stimpy | 24 June 2009 - 8:58am

Thanks for that

When radio/TV news reports talk about 4 inches of rain falling overnight, I *do* visualise wetness on the ground to roughly that depth and think "blimey - that's a lot of rain". As you say stimpy, the actual surface and gradient and drainage makes a big difference. It makes me wonder why weather reports are so specific in the measurements. Why not "the wettest night for 2 years" to give you an idea of just how wet we're talking here.

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Austin | 24 June 2009 - 10:00am

But the key point is...

4 inches of water HAS fallen on the ground. It's just that very little of it actually stays where it lands.

Try this...

Take a vessel where the footprint is the same area as the top (i.e. a straight sided glass). Leave it out in the rain. Mesure the depth of water in the glass. That's how much rain has fallen in that area. As long as the glass is straight sided, you'll get an accurate figure.

The impressive thing is not so much how much water falls from the sky - but how quickly and effectively it drains away.

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stimpy | 24 June 2009 - 11:54am

Dams like to know

It's probably rarely relevant back in the UK, but here Down Under we do like to know how much has fallen in the dam catchment areas. Our drought conditions depend on how full the dams are.

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Old_Nick | 25 June 2009 - 2:52am

The other day...

... it dawned on me that Sandie Shaw is a pun.

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Albert Edward | 24 June 2009 - 10:05am

Me too

June 19th at 12:26 I think it was.

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Captain Underpants | 24 June 2009 - 11:57am

I didn't know for years

that the chain of Q8 petrol stations were called thus because all the petrol derived from the said country.

Not exactly obvious as a kid!

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robram | 25 June 2009 - 5:44am

Q8

The Light and I always know when we are leaving the borders of known civilization and entering The Western Lands where they prop the dead in phone boxes to make the place look busy and the good burghers always speaks in present tense and abhor a grockle by the disppearance of names like BP and Shell and the emergence of ones like Q8 and Murco.

All very sinister

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Sheev | 25 June 2009 - 8:08am

At the time Q8 stations appeared

I couldn't understand why they were named after the then current Spike Milligan TV series :-)

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stimpy | 25 June 2009 - 8:05am

Sexually innocent

Up until the age of 12 I somehow thought that a Tampon was inserted under a bra strap to nstop it falling down. Embarrassingly a few years later I was talking with a girlfriend of mine about nurturing babies. I knew that she was adopted at birth but still asked her if her adopted mum breast fed her. I couldn't understand what she found so funny.

Regarding Good King Wenceslas - I am glad you sorted that out because I also thought it was 'last looked out'.

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Steve Turner | 25 June 2009 - 6:07am

See the little petrol pump icon..

..on a car's fuel gage? The side of the empty / full arc its on refers to the side of the car the fuel cap is on. Very useful when your hire car is running low and you need to pull in to fill up. Apparently everyone else knows this already..

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Prestonia | 25 June 2009 - 6:45am

Now if I had known that before today....

All those years of exasperation as it's on the wrong bloody side, or pulling the tubes awkwardly around and over the car.......
(This is when I drive another car, I have just about got which side it is on, on mine.)

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Retropath2 | 25 June 2009 - 7:29am

i had no idea

either.

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badartdog | 25 June 2009 - 7:44am

ahead of the game

I found out in about March this year. After driving for nearly 30 years, and frequently forgetting what side the fuel cap is on my wife's car(s) for 13 years.

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paulwright | 25 June 2009 - 10:50am

Apparently...

... which side the cap is on derives from where the manufacturer is based (or was originally based.) American manufacturers have it on the right, everyone else on the left... even Ford cars (for example) made in the UK have it on the right, as Ford is a US company. Summat like that anyway...

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Metal Mickey | 25 June 2009 - 1:29pm

Vauxhall Corsa

purchased December 2008 - the wee icon thingey is in the centre of that dial macdoobry, the fuel cap is on the driver (is that 'near') side

it's a lovely car BTW

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James Blast | 25 June 2009 - 7:43pm

Never knew that

I'm going out right now to test the theory.

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Captain Underpants | 25 June 2009 - 4:32pm

I just checked mine....

....and the theory doesn't work. Toyota Avensis.

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bigsteviecook | 26 June 2009 - 12:33pm
Paul T | 26 June 2009 - 9:20am

This is

completely new to me

I thought that having shaded side of dial on right was just Johnny Foreigner nonsense

Everyone knows that fuel runs out to the left in this sceptred isle

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Sheev | 25 June 2009 - 1:29pm

The good lord

For years, as a catholic child, I thought God had 2 names:

Our father who art in heaven, Harold be thy name

and

Priest: Let us give thanks for blah blah blah
Congregation: thanks Peter God.

Genuinely puzzled me.

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cathtrish | 25 June 2009 - 3:08pm

Then you'll be familiar with

Gladly the cross-eyed bear

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Captain Underpants | 25 June 2009 - 4:30pm

I have a friend whose mother

was very worried about the nefarious influence of Elvis Costello's pop tune "I Love a Zombie"

Myself I never made the connection between the archetypal New York cop Sgt O'Ma-HOE-nee and O'MAH-hon-ees bookshop in downtown Limerick.

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Gramsci | 25 June 2009 - 3:14pm

the latter is the more accepted pronounciation over these parts

on the grounds that if you go with the former, it's not a million miles away, pronunciation wise, from the Irish for 'arse' - Pogue Mahone

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ivan | 26 June 2009 - 9:22am

Nick Cave

The reason I have been wary of his work is because I thought he was the bloke from Bauhaus. I still think he might be, so shall remain wary.

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Sheev | 25 June 2009 - 3:12pm

Nick vs Bauhaus

I don't see the connection, can you give me more info please?

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James Blast | 25 June 2009 - 7:45pm

Bauhaus!

One time we played the Heathery in Wishaw, a reasonably rough "alternative" night. The DJ was very excited by how good the band had been the week before : so when he cued up their record, he got the crowd going by telling them "Erra band that played here last week, f'in great so they were, they're gonna be huge, they're cried the Boohoos".

I have never been able to take Peter Murphy's cheek-sucked-in spooky nonsense in any way seriously since then.

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elhombremalo | 25 June 2009 - 8:29pm

visually similar ?

I guess if you don't follow these things closely, Nick Cave (big skinny bloke with weird hair) could pass for Peter Murphy ?

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elhombremalo | 25 June 2009 - 8:33pm

Exactly

- has anyone seen them in the same room together?

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Sheev | 26 June 2009 - 12:21pm

Oh Behave!

The pair of you! Now, or it's bed and no supper!

pics I took of both men in their prime:

the clearly barking and on drugs man:
Photobucket

the fey, sensitive, cup of Camomile tea and a good natter man:
Photobucket

the difference is plain for all to see ;D

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James Blast | 26 June 2009 - 6:46pm

good lord! identical!

Thanks Mr B, you have proved our point.

Also (may have been posted here before) :

http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/

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elhombremalo | 26 June 2009 - 8:09pm

I know where you live...

well I don't, I'm weird but not that feckin' weird

still, be warned

does the above need a LOL or ROFLMAO?

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James Blast | 26 June 2009 - 8:10pm

Nice photos

Nice photos of the Goth twins, though.

*ducks behind sofa as the Hordes of the Night come to scream "THE BOOHOOS WERE NEVER REALLY GOTH!" and "NICK CAVE WAS NEVER REALLY GOTH!"*

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elhombremalo | 26 June 2009 - 8:52pm

I knew it

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Sheev | 26 June 2009 - 8:52pm

I've done my case

no favours here, have I?

Right! I like Bawhoose, I dinnae like the Bidet Party or NCave, plain noo?

and any excuse to post my pics from when I had talent

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James Blast | 26 June 2009 - 9:01pm

The Nick Cave pic is splendid, James

Just thought I would give you a cyber-pat on the back.

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Austin | 27 June 2009 - 8:50am

I agree

the way the light pools in his clavicles ... good work Mr B!

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elhombremalo | 27 June 2009 - 12:50pm

I was well into my twenties

until I knew what Protestant meant. I thought they only lived in Northern Ireland. I didn't realise that I was one.

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Jim M | 25 June 2009 - 6:16pm

It was only this weekend

It was only this weekend that I found out that the Elgin Marbles aren't objects of a spherical nature.

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AdamRob | 25 June 2009 - 8:51pm

The Ark of the Covenant

Isn't Noah's Ark or anything to do with that. Confirmed to me by my incredulous GLW a couple of days ago.

And according to my son's Horrible Histories book, the Holy Grail isn't the goblet Jesus used at the Last Supper.

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Austin | 25 June 2009 - 9:34pm

Grail

and probably wasn't even a goblet - see 'Graal'

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Paul T | 26 June 2009 - 9:22am

Holy Grail

...Enlighten me?

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Cáit | 16 July 2009 - 8:04pm

From Wikipedia on "The Holy Grail"

The Grail is first featured in Perceval, le Conte du Graal (The Story of the Grail) by Chrétien de Troyes, who claims he was working from a source book given to him by his patron, Count Philip of Flanders. In this incomplete poem, dated sometime between 1180 and 1191, the object has not yet acquired the implications of holiness it would have in later works. While dining in the magical abode of the Fisher King, Perceval witnesses a wondrous procession in which youths carry magnificent objects from one chamber to another, passing before him at each course of the meal. First comes a young man carrying a bleeding lance, then two boys carrying candelabras. Finally, a beautiful young girl emerges bearing an elaborately decorated graal, or "grail."

Chrétien refers to his object not as "The Grail" but as un graal, showing the word was used, in its earliest literary context, as a common noun. For Chrétien the grail was a wide, somewhat deep dish or bowl, interesting because it contained not a pike, salmon or lamprey, as the audience may have expected for such a container, but a single Mass wafer which provided sustenance for the Fisher King’s crippled father. Perceval, who had been warned against talking too much, remains silent through all of this, and wakes up the next morning alone. He later learns that if he had asked the appropriate questions about what he saw, he would have healed his maimed host, much to his honor. The story of the Wounded King's mystical fasting is not unique; several saints were said to have lived without food besides communion, for instance Saint Catherine of Genoa. This may imply that Chrétien intended the Mass wafer to be the significant part of the ritual, and the Grail to be a mere prop.

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The Amorous Hum... | 17 July 2009 - 3:16pm

Dan Brown

may have an alternative (stolen) theory....

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Mikhail | 21 July 2009 - 7:46pm

There were words/terms used

Every week when I was studying history that I never understood. Since all the rest seemed to know exactly what it all meant I just kept quiet about it. Once I got my degree I didn´t really care anymore as they never seem to show up outside of University.

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Ola Claesson | 26 June 2009 - 12:44pm

Engaged / Buddy

When quite young, I managed to combine the two meanings of the word 'engaged' - and genuinely believed that, once you had agreed to marry someone, you lost your telephone service until you actually got hitched.

And a musical one - although I'd known for years that the song 'American Pie' was about the death of Buddy Holly, it was relatively recently that I realised that the line 'This'll be the day that I die' is a pun on 'That'll Be The Day'...

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PaddyB | 26 June 2009 - 7:00am

When in my early teens,

a friend of mine used to argue till red in the face that it was "Dark" Vader, rather than "Darth". Tit.

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MrChafe | 26 June 2009 - 2:04pm

To be fair

he may have had a Babel Fish in his ear

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illuminatus | 20 July 2009 - 10:23am

Speaking of Tit..

...Trotter's Independent Traders. The series had long finished by the time I got that one.

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stuart robin | 26 June 2009 - 3:02pm

I did not know

until that unlikely Rock names list came up that Gram Parsons real name was Cecil Ingram Connor III

Probably pronounced Cee-cil

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Sheev | 26 June 2009 - 5:25pm

I didn´t know this until now

And hats off. Wasn´t his real name much cooler?

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Ola Claesson | 26 June 2009 - 10:20pm

Val Kilmer

When the fil Willow was released I saw the trailer on television. It featured repeated shots of the dwarf actor who played Willow, but the gravelly voiceover repeatedly announced 'Val Kilmer ... in Willow!' Naturally I got it into my head that Val Kilmer was the name of the actor who played Willow.
A couple of years later I heard that Oliver Stone was making his Doors film, and that Val Kilmer was to play Jim Morrison. Confusion over the nature of the casting resulted.

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Gatz | 26 June 2009 - 8:27pm

Leather Cone

first time I heard the name Leonard Cohen, that's what I heard. I imagined all sorts of Hawkwindesque drug taking and leather weirdness - you can imagine my disappointment.

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James Blast | 26 June 2009 - 8:32pm

sounds like an offshoot of The Leather Nun

(Who are probably in your area, sonically)



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elhombremalo | 26 June 2009 - 9:05pm

The Sisters

did a better version of GGG before the Leather Nun, in fact their back catalogue is littered with 'novelty' covers, even I Didn't Know I Loved You (till I Saw You Rock n' Roll) by that man who has been erased

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James Blast | 17 July 2009 - 5:09pm

*points across*

There's a bloke who has been in a pub in Glasgow that played good music.

Your absence from the thread is causing mild concern to some in the parish : please feel free to add your conjecture as he can't remember the name.

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/ive-just-been-a-bar-glasgow

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elhombremalo | 17 July 2009 - 11:15pm

Sisters "Gimme" & "Jolene"

Best cover versions EVER!

Does anyone know if there are recorded versions of these around? I used to see the Sisters a lot back in the day and always loved their fantastic covers.

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Retro Man | 20 July 2009 - 9:13am

PM incoming!

in a Word stylee

edit: can't seem to find the way of getting in touch with you, if you'd like to get in touch with me, I'll sort ye out

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James Blast | 20 July 2009 - 10:49am

Most kind...

I've fiddled with the settings so a contact email should appear now and I'd certainly appreciate any leads.

Many thanks!

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Retro Man | 20 July 2009 - 11:08am

fiddling about has worked

no need for a 'Table Tapping Weekend in Bognor' after all, contact has been made, tracks have been found, further instructions awaited

for those that care:
Jolene ~ Kid Gherkin session 1983, available in FLAC
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme ~ The Danceteria NYC, 1984, rough but worth it

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James Blast | 20 July 2009 - 3:39pm

Cheers...

I'll check my email tonight and get back to you James.

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Retro Man | 20 July 2009 - 4:06pm

You two

are the finest Scottish strike duo since Dalglish and...er...

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Sheev | 26 June 2009 - 9:07pm

Oops!

I'll take the blame but a big boy did it and ran away, honest mister

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James Blast | 26 June 2009 - 9:11pm

Things I've Learned Today

Nick Cave was originally in The Boohoos...

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elhombremalo | 26 June 2009 - 9:44pm

One for MJ

someone on this website - http://www.kissthisguy.com/ - thought the lyric to 'Addicted To Love' was actually 'A Dick With A Glove'

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ChaosandMorphine | 29 June 2009 - 6:18pm

any fule kno it's

"A Dickehead in Love"

pffff, chizz and etc.

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James Blast | 29 June 2009 - 6:43pm

That Peter Gabriel DID sing a naughty line..

..in Games Without Frontiers.

This was, for years, a rumour which went round school. No-one believed it. I swore blind it got played on Radio 2 once by Richard Allinson and I had a lengthy (and good-natured)exchange of emails with his producer about it - he denied everything.

And now here it is on YouTube. 2:32 in. If you haven't heard it before, prepare to have your eyebrows raised..


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lennylaw | 29 June 2009 - 6:54pm

wha?

I was momentarily excited to think that I had missed something in this old favourite. However, I'm hearing what I've always heard: " whistling tunes we piss on the goons in the jungle"

Am I missing something?

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embraman | 29 June 2009 - 7:55pm

I think it was a self-abuse reference

"Hans builds a bonfire
while Rico plays with it"

(I might have the names wrong)

If this is what is being referenced, then it is the mildest of knob gags and would have sailed easily over the head of Bill Cotton, Lord Reith etc.

Might be a different bit - can't access the youtube clip.

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Austin | 30 June 2009 - 12:08am

Ah

now I always laboured under the sad misapprehension that it was, "whistling tunes we piss on baboons in the jungle"

You learn something new...blah, blah, blah

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illuminatus | 20 July 2009 - 10:30am

LyricWiki.org says it's

Hans plays with Lotte, Lotte plays with Jane
Jane plays with Willi, Willi is happy again
Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt
Adolf builts a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
Whistling tunes we hide in the dunes by the seaside
Whistling tunes we're kissing baboons in the jungle
It's a knockout
If looks could kill, they probably will
In games without frontiers-war without tears
Games without frontiers-war without tears

Jeux sans frontières

Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is blue
They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu
Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games
Hiding out in tree-tops shouting out rude names
Whistling tunes we hide in the dunes by the seaside
Whistling tunes we piss on the goons in the jungle
It's a knockout
If looks could kill they probably will
In games without frontiers-wars without tears
If looks could kill they probably will
In games without frontiers-war without tears
Games without frontiers-war without tears

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ChaosandMorphine | 20 July 2009 - 2:19pm

Steely Dan &

Steeley Span are one and the same. Not very Word friendly I know but I only discovered they were two different bands about a year ago.

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Retro Man | 30 June 2009 - 2:28pm
stimpy | 30 June 2009 - 2:45pm

All around

my Bodhisatva?

You Go Black Jack Davy - Do it Again?

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Sheev | 30 June 2009 - 2:48pm

I knew I should never have admitted that on here...!

What was I thinking?!

Go on, take your best shots!

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Retro Man | 30 June 2009 - 3:43pm

Gauchodete?

I actually would love to hear a Steeleye Dan mash-up

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Sheev | 30 June 2009 - 3:47pm

These are way over

my head chaps!

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Retro Man | 30 June 2009 - 3:47pm

Hey Nonny Nineteen

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Andy Barrons | 30 June 2009 - 7:52pm

*crowbar*

Didn't we have a lovely day, the day we went to Barrytown

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elhombremalo | 18 July 2009 - 12:05am

I thought

until recently "Argentinia" was a country...

I assumed John Williams the composer and the guitarist were the same person.

Also growing up in Ireland I couldn't understand why the foreign language they taught us (Irish/Gaeilge) in primary school was called "Irish", since it made sense to me that that was the language I already spoke, only English people would speak English, pheh! I used to come home and tell my mam all the new words I'd learned in "American".

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Cáit | 16 July 2009 - 8:16pm

Hayseed Dixie is a pun on...

I've gone at least 8 years, smiling and nodding approvingly when people spoke about Hayseed Dixie, without realising that the name is a pun. (I'm not explaining the pun, in the faint hope that someone will make me feel better by admitting they don't get it either.

I now have sleepless nights remembering all the times I've spoken with people about Hayseed Dixie, trying to remember exactly what was said, and whether it would have revealed my ignorance.

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Lucky Tiler | 18 July 2009 - 12:01am

Electronically Tested - Mungo Jerry

This was the first album I ever bought, when I was about 12, and I proudly showed it to my parents, older siblings, aunts and uncles. It was some years later that I first saw the album title in the place where the band had pinched it from. I almost lost the moment.

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Lucky Tiler | 18 July 2009 - 12:20am

Coco said she found the cut-off ears

Sold in the market down in New Orleans.

The opening lines to Brown Sugar - surely? Well, so I thought for 24 of the last 25 years. In fact, even now I find it unlikely that Jagger is really singing 'Gold Coast Slave Ship Bound for Cotton Fields' - sounds more like a tongue twister. Think I'll be sticking with Coco and her cut-off ears for a few years yet thanks.

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Occam | 18 July 2009 - 6:57am

Ludicrously Misheard Lyrics

There's a web site dedicated to this, although last time I looked, many of the entries were clearly made up.

What intrigues me about a lot of these, and yours in particular, Occam, is this: What did you think that line was about? Who was Coco? Whose ears? Why were they cut off? And how did they fit into the context of the song? Was it the cut-off ears that went on to be sold in a market down in New Orleans?

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Lucky Tiler | 19 July 2009 - 11:28am

Given the mashed up state of

The Stones at the time, lyrics that were complete cobblers would have been not too difficult to swallow, would it?

q.v. Noel Galagher's songwriting career.

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illuminatus | 20 July 2009 - 10:33am

With you on that one

I mean, how likely is it that a song called 'Addicted to Love' which is a mainstream playlist song and was always introduced as 'Addicted to Love' is really misheard as 'A dick with a glove'? A great made up one maybe.

Few of the Stones lyrics made much sense to me growing up. In Brown Sugar, I just thought they were building a scene - a fairly bizarre one maybe, but it didn't seem at odds with the sordid, louche, decadent and law-breaking antics recounted elsewhere in their songs. There was no internet, most albums were 80s reissues without lyric sheets, and Coco and the ears she found for sale in a New Orleans market was one of the only lines in the song I sang with any confidence - I mean, what the hell was the 3rd line? Sounded like 'Sky don't stay here', but really I had no clue. And then, what was he betting your Mama was in the 3rd verse? Even if I had guessed 'tent show queen' what the hell was one of those anyway?

Reminds me, the other Stones lyric musician friends and I had slightly wrong was 'It's no pain in my cock' instead of 'it's no hanging matter' in Stray Cat Blues - no matter how many times we lifted and replaced the needle on the LP, that's what it sounds like on Get Yer Ya Yas Out, and so that's what we used to sing - in public I might add.

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Occam | 19 July 2009 - 11:58am

Fair point on "even the real lyrics don't make sense"

When the internet arrived and allowed me to search for lyrics I'd wondered about for years, I came across quite a few examples of that. Of course I can't think of any just now. Maybe this is worth a thread in its own right?

I also wondered what a tent show queen was. Did you ever find out? The mood of the song, which you capture so well, suggests it isn't a compliment, and he's not saying that her mother won the "Best Outward Bound Apparel" award at a camping equipment exhibition.

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Lucky Tiler | 19 July 2009 - 12:11pm

not to mention Lenin & McCarthy...

I always thought the Yoko Ono and Oklahoma were one and the same.

The Two Ronnies - I always thought "Ronnie" was some sort of made up title, (like "Goodies") and never made the connection with Ronald

Also, I always assumed that Dr Spock's theories about raising children were solely references to some classic episode of Star Trek in which Leonard Nimoy presumably expounded on how kids on Vulcan were brought up

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simonperrins | 19 July 2009 - 12:13pm

More

As a child I thought swear words were a relatively recent phenomenon, as no one said "fuck" in old movies

Also when Run DMC released Walk This Way I presumed that Steve Tyler was some kind of comedy actor doing a "turn" as a cartoonish version of Mick Jagger or something (yes yes, I imagine a lot of people would say that's a pretty fair assessment)

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simonperrins | 19 July 2009 - 12:22pm

Can of Fur

Until quite recently, I use to sing along to Van's "And it Stoned Me", thus:

Half oh my from the can of fur

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Sheev | 20 July 2009 - 10:19pm

Multiple Personalities

An ex-neighbour, took her mother (in her 60s) to see Steve Coogan, about 10 years ago. In the break, she had to explain to her mother that the various characters, Paul Calf, Pauline Calf etc. were all the same person !

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Badlands | 20 July 2009 - 11:09am

"I'm Missing A Leg"

instead of "I'm A Single Lady" was what I thought was being sung on that Beyonce song - I also originally thought that that awful "Womanizer" song by Britney Spears was someone singing in Swahili or some weird dialect much to the amusement of my more pop-savvy colleagues.

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Retro Man | 20 July 2009 - 11:38am

The Carpenters and The Smiths

I was well into my thirties before I discovered that Richard and Karen were brother and sister rather than a married couple.

It also only very recently dawned on me that Oscillate Wildly by The Smiths is derived from Oscar Wilde, and I must have listened to that track several hundred times since it came out....

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Richard K | 20 July 2009 - 3:07pm

I thought the American Civil War

was between North America and South America which meant the fighting took place somewhere around Panama. That's not the case.

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Cookieboy | 20 July 2009 - 8:27pm

Buffalos in Italy

Pretty obvious when the cheese is called Buffalo Mozzarella.

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Norwegian Blue | 24 July 2009 - 10:16pm
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