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Things I learnt at school but have never needed since in the real world
Posted by pompeygeorge on 25 February 2011 - 8:24am.
triganometry
poetry
long division
periodic table
algebra
multigym
calculus
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The width of a circle
We spent at least two terms learning how to measure the area of circles. Many's the time since I've stood in the middle of huge circular fields, logarithims in hand, waiting for someone to say "So how big is this thing, anyway?" But no.
I don't think I've made the Vulcan Hand Fanny since the Fourth Year, either.
Vulcan Hand Fanny
TMFTL, surely.
Spelling too,
by the look of things.
Or possibly
Greek.
No wonder
I've never used it - they taught us a made up subject!!
Flemings
Left Hand Rule.
"If you lie on it
long enough, it'll feel like someone else is doing it" ?
Flemings
Right Hand Rule.
See above
but for left handed people
There is a gang in LA
That uses Fleming's left hand rule as a gang sign.Physics teachers should be careful in their rival's hood.
S
= ut + (1/2)at^2
That's the one I was about to post as well
We didn't have helicopters and food packets in my day though:
Was it a UN School
where you did your O levels then?
Heh, no but it was the first s=ut+1/2at2-esque
exam paper I could find on the Interweb.
Imagine the end of term maths test in a U.N. school:
Question 1
A refugee can run at 15 kilometres an hour for 60 seconds before collapsing. Border posts are placed 1 kilometre apart. If the guards change over at 3 pm each afternoon, by what time must a refugee begin to cross the minefield in order to breach the razor wire before being intercepted and shot?
Question 2
You're looking to purchase a shiny white 4x4 to assist in your work with refugees - is it better to:
(a) Import a new, top-spec one from your home country which will have aircon, satnav, a lovely stereo, leather seats and will be too complex to repair in the field.
(b) Source an older vehicle locally which will be appropriate for the terrain and, being lower-tech, will be maintainable by the local metal-bashing mechanic.
v^2
= u^2 + 2as
Surely not
v = u + at as well?
:)
I have actually had occasion
to exercise that one, so it doesn't qualify.
:)
You've never needed any poetry in your life?
There was an old man from Nantucket...
no, maybe not.
Has anyone?
?
I have
Poetry has been a great solace to me. I
your mileage may differ
We didn't have multigym at school, but apart from that I have used all of those. And regularly use the Vulcan hand gesture. Probably a give away that I became a scientist.
Now that I think back, school seems remarkably useful - including how to stand up to bullies and talk to girls.
Hands on the mantelpiece, feet wide apart?
What are 'girls'?
I don't actually need poetry
But it makes life a better place to hang around in.
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/useful-poems-know-heart
for starters
I don't understand this thread.
George, is the implication that trigonometry, poetry, long division, the periodic table, algebra and calculus are a waste of time, or somehow without practical application?
Oh, and I used trigonometry this week, when working out the angle at which to cut new spindles for my stairs.
I actually can't think of anything I learned at school that I'm not glad I learned. Some of the facts, figures and dates we crammed in did stick, permanently. Most didn't. But in learning them, I learned how to think, which no amount of tutting about oxbow lakes can take away.
/sense of humour failure about education
I do understand this thread.
The OP has made a list of things *he* learned at school but has not needed since leaving. The fact that you may have found practical use of anything on his list is irrelevant.
Maybe it's the OP's
fundamental and almost adolescent misunderstanding of the basis of good education. That somehow learning new ways of thinking isn't needed in later life (something that virtually all the items listed help us do). You may not use the specifics of maths everyday but learning about numbers and ways of using them empowers you to make decisions,to challenge the endless data we are given daily for instance.
This beside the point fact that many of the techniques listed make the internet/sat nav/ mobiles phones work so most likely he's "needed" them at least once while posting his comment.
Also there's assumption if you do believe that education is solely to provide practical skills for later life that his teachers should know at the age of 11 he'll never need to trigonometry or be out walking and encounter a oxbow lake etc.
One of the goals of good education should be to empower those involved having multiple ways to understand/explain the world be they poetry or calculus is one of the ways this can happen.
As for mulitgym if this playing on the wall bars wasn't this the best thing you did in games? I loved a game of "pirates" as a kid.
Thanks for the lecture
I'll make a note never to start a humourous thread.
Sorry if it was a lecture
just this line of reasoning gets a bit tiresome when it comes from my nephews etc. let alone grown ups. Didn't see it as that funny, maybe it was the inclusion of poetry that did for me once again sorry for being didactic.
*consults dictionary*
Adds to OP list: The Alphabet.
Should I tell him...
That I'm the Governor of a secondary school and do the annual assessment of the head? (fact)
Two tems?
Blimey, how difficult is Πr²?
Also, if three pints of beer costs you £8.10, then working out the price of one pint is an algebraic operation, is it not?
I also learned
hyperbole at school. Maybe you missed that day.
And beer and pie are two of my favourite subjects these days.
When we learnt about hyperbole
our teacher told us it wasn't an enormous stadium. That I've always remembered, but it's certainly not useful.
Just thought of this one too:
The verbs in French that use etre rather than avoir in the perfect tense can be remembered by the mnemonic DRAPERS VAN MMT. This was very useful at GCSE, but is less so now.
That's because no one knows
what a draper is anymore.
Adds to OP list: Names of trades.
At my school....
Mr Draper was one of the French teachers. He didn't drive a van.
If you don't know what a draper is
May I suggest my French teacher Peter Farrar's catchy and original mnemonic for the same thing: Dr R.A. Pavments, MD.
We also had one in German for the prepositions that could take either the accusative or the dative, depending on whether there was motion or not. Our German teacher made it into a little chant:
In, an, auf
Hinter, unter, über
Neben, zwischen, vor
I can honestly say it was useful on many occasions when I was living in Germany.
Peter Farrar?
Were you at Eastbourne Grammar School?
Not a million miles away
A well known boarding school just outside Horsham, Sussex, you might know the one I'm talking about but I'm not going to name it, long story...
have you still
got the socks?
Nah
They only used to get changed twice a week. They ran away by themselves.
Good...
...school band, though. Last saw them at the 2009 Friends Provident Trophy final at Lord's.
I was there
I don't remember him though. But then I never paid much attention in French.
My French teacher
Ted Smith, used RR PAVEMANTS MD as well.
"if three pints of beer costs you £8.10"
you're drinking in the wrong pub.
£2.70 a pint?
I should be so bloody lucky.
£2.20 for a decent pint of Wadworths,
and that's every night, not just when there's a Meat Raffle on. We've got Pig Racing next month to raise funds for the free nosh at the Royal Wedding bash. You need to get out to a proper village pub.
I miss 6X.
One of the best things about being a teenager in the West Country, that. And a grown up, too, I imagine.
Home Economics
Mainly because all I learned there was making toasted cheese and explaining shops to aliens. Seriously. There was nothing about running a home taught.
Also classical studies, in which we were asked to draw pictures of naked greek gods.
God my school was shit.
"What we need here is a length of copper"
"I know - let's go to Zambia. They've got lots."
I went to to a 'real world' school in the 1980s
I learned real world skills such as how to use a VHS video recorder and how to program a Sinclair ZX-81 computer. I wished I learned a bit of poetry instead.
Map of the Hampshire basin
and the rivers that run therein. Geography: total waste of time.
What I don't know about oxbow lakes is nobody's business.
Throwing the javelin
Throwing the discus, putting the shot.
Still, if the Spartans do attack one day, we'll be ready.
"Right, lads...
I've invented this thing called a cannon. It's hundreds of year ahead of its time. You see, you put these big heavy balls, called shots, into the cannon and light this....hey! Stop throwing the shots at the Spartans! That's not... oh, never mind. MInd the big horse, it's a gift."
Rather more fun were
Catching the javelin, heading the shot.
I have not needed any sport knowledge that I may inadvertently have picked up at school. History has been useful for quizzes, but for nothing else.
History...
My son is passionate about History, and I'm really glad I took it at school as our conversations about it form the basis of much of our father / son time. Likewise, with my own dad, we never run out of stuff to say to each other due to a real interest in the subject.
Without History the men in my family might well remain silent for extended periods of time. Mind you, the women might prefer that.
Cliche as it is, don't you find an understanding of History helps you to get a grip on where the world is now, and where it might go in the future? Or is it 'just one bloody thing after another'? :)
Understanding History
The history lessons I had at school consisted of 'one bloody thing after another' with little indication of the reasons. Also, they were extremely parochial - I seem to remember doing Mary, Queen of Scots every year, and certainly learned nothing whatsoever about anywhere outside Scotland. I gave it up to do Greek instead, and on the whole that has been more useful (etymology, mainly). I can't say I've found history useful, though I am interested in it - I've learned much more since leaving school - and I'm way too shallow to care what's happening in the world: maybe if I had kids, or other young relatives, I would feel different.
All I learned at school
was how to bend not break the rules.
Which, with hindsight, was a very useful skill. It's kept me out of prison, anyway. So far.
I'm as honest as the day is long
the longer the daylight the less I do wrong.
that there's poetry
that is.
Thankyou!
For years I've heard that as
"Well look at the daylight, let's hope it's wrong"
How to say
"The town hall is opposite the Cathedral" in German.
Stupid Teutonic town planners.
Another useful phrase
Er begegnete dem Pfarrer im Schwimmbad.
Never know when you might need that.
Herr Korner hat eine
Vollautomatischehifistereoplattenspieler.
Und eine etwas spitze nase.
Speed limit is
Geschwindigskeitsbeschrankung
Actually that's good for making my Germany-domiciled brother giggle
mais le singe...
...est dans l'arbre.
Monsieur Marsaud...
...and his interminable family. Also "La souris est sous la table". God I used to wish "La souris est dans la chat"
My first day at secondary school
I learned how to spell 'floccinaucinihilipilification'.
The only time I have ever used this word is when I boast somewhat pointlessly that I learned it when I was 11. It's not the kind of word you just slip into conversation, sadly.
I seem to remember learning to spell 'business' and 'necessary' on the same day, which have been rather more useful.
We were too busy studying
antidisestablishmentarianism to do any spelling lessons.
Just be grateful you didn't go to school in
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch...
Tri Mwy O Nhw Ddiweddarach
Hei Stimpi
Mae dy Gymraeg yn ardderchog ddyn!
Good to see
the British collective ignorance towards learning foreign languages is alive and well.
(Das Rathaus ist gegenüber den Dom, btw.)
I know
What I meant was, I've never been to a place in Germany where the town hall is, in fact, opposite the cathedral.
Now explain that in German, young man!
And don't forget the dative!!
'The what, Miss?'
Go to the back of the class, keep quiet and stop wasting my time!!
'Yes Miss...'
Which might explain why I can't speak German properly.
I have an A* in GCSE German
The two main phrases I can remember are:
"Ein stuck Schwarzwalder Kirschtorte, bitte" and
"Ich habe seit dreizig Tage Verstopfung"
These have helped me through life immeasurably.
You missed the umlaut
on Stück. I'm marking you down to an A.
...
Klugscheißer
I missed the umlaut
on Schwarzwalder too. There's a recession on, you know.
Only one I can remember now:
"Wie komme ich am besten zum Bahnhof, bitte?"
Oh, and "Wenn is das Nunstuck Git und Slotermeyer?" but that's something else.
"Wenn is das Nunstuck Git und Slotermeyer?"
Careful... that joke should only be used under extremely controlled conditions.
Nearly mine.
"Entschuldigen zie, bitte aber wie komme ich am besten zum straßenbahnhaltestelle?"
And then you say aufvaricoseveins.
I can still remember
the first verse of Stille Nachte.
It's proved immensely useful.
Did you do
Oh! What A Lovely War?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian:
Aaagh! Not the dative, not the dative! Er, er, accusative, "Domum"!
Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, "Domum"!
Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
All Latin teachers have one joke
"Caesar adsum iam forte,
Brutus aderat.
Caesar sic in omnibus,
Brutus sic inat."
It wasn't funny when I heard it in 1962 either...
Neither was...
Civile, si ergo
Fortibuses in ero
Gnoses mare, Thebe trux
Vatis inem?
Causan Dux.
We did conversational Latin. The first thing we learned was 'Hic est Marcus. Marcus est puer. Marcus ambulat' It was accompanied by a picture of a kid in a dress and sandals.
Always thought
conversational Latin would be bloody difficult. You'd be working out what case everything was in, then all the endings and where to put the verbs by when the person you wanted to talk to would have buggered off and laid waste to some Barbarians or something.
The Real World
"The Real World" is mathematics, chemistry and physics not how to get your car fixed for a cheaper price.
The Real World
"The Real World" is a studio near Box.
That the bell is
There for my benefit, not yours.
Having said all that, wouldn't it be useful if school taught you
practical everyday stuff - how government works, how the tax system works, how to run your personal finances, the possible pitfalls of credit, basic car/bike safety checks/maintenance, how to change a wheel, how to build an IKEA flatpack, how to put out small domestic fires, etc etc.
Stuff that REALLY prepares you for adult life.
That's what
your dad's for.
Funny you should say that....
I used to teach all of those subjects. It was called 'Citizenship'.
Then some ideologue gave Keith Joseph the job of Secretary of State for Education and Science...
I've been saying it for years...
schools should teach basic plumbing, electrical work and carpentry.
if schools have to do a formal risk assessment report for...
.. walking a class of kids half a mile down the road to the theatre, can you imagine the liability they'd lay themselves open to if they:
1. taught electrical work in school?
2. were seen to be encouraging kids to go home and try out their new skills in wiring, plumbing and joinery?
the local council legal dept would have a fit
If it takes two men, three hours to dig an eight-foot hole...
...what colour shoes would they be wearing?
The only thing I've used maths for is adding up rounds of drinks and tax percentages.
And the only I know about physics is from a Billy Bragg song: 'The laws of gravity are very, very strict'.
Billy Bragg
chips in with some information on radioactivity in his song Richard:
How can I go on
When every alpha particle hides a neon nucleus
Unfortunately an alpha particle is equivalent to a helium nucleus, so I'm not sure BB can be totally trusted with regards to physics.
Marie Curie was Polish born
but French bred
HA!
FRENCH BREAD!
The lovely Kate McGarrigle with a chemistry lesson
NaCl (Sodium Chloride).
This song is just wonderful.
Any second now....
...someone will post Lehrer doing The Elements.
These elements?
Volleyball
It's just badminton with a football.
Religion
Except at a remove, as an aid to literature, art appreciation and trying to understand wars.
Anything to do with...
test tubes and bunsen burners.
Surely Notway?
I'm an Alchemist baby
I can turn heavy metal .... into gold
I can make unstable compounds of mercury explode
I can make you glow
I can make you phosphoresce
I can burst your bubble
I can make you effervesce
Science tells you love
Is just a chemical reaction in the brain
Let me be your bunsen burner baby
Let me be your naked flame
You're going to turn bright red
When I do my litmus test on you
Acid it was, acid it is
And what acid was true
Check out what's in the test tube baby
You're my little pipette
The favourite piece of apparatus
In my chemistry set
Science tells you love
Is just a chemical reaction in the brain
Let me be your bunsen burner baby
Let me be your naked flame
You're the kind of carbon I can date
You're the element that makes me passionate
There's a chemistry experiment
I want to try in my brain
So come close to the Bunsen Burner
Feel the Heat of the naked flame
Quadratic equations.
Even doing 'A' level physics and maths I could find no use for the bloody things.
Oddly, I've found the ability to solve simultaneous equations rather useful. Particularly when my wife was doing one of the Professor Layton games on her DS. Lots of the cunning puzzles could be solved by expressing them as simultaneous equations.
Quadratic equations
are EASY!
Just remember, that if ax^2+bx+c = 0 then:
x = -b +/- (sqrt(b^2-4ac)/2a)
Quadratics are a piece of piss, Joe.
But useless.
I say that.. You're the man to tell me where they may be found doing good work.
How to make water bombs
and give someone a wedgie.
Oddly enough, I bought this in a local charity shop today.
I felt the need to refresh my memory.
getting back to the question
What did I learn at school that hasn't been of any use since?
Chemistry - Totally dumbfounded me. I was suspended once for setting fire to the laboratory gas taps.
Biology - well apart from a rudimentary understanding of certain bodily functions and most of that was learned ex-curriculum.
most Mathematics - except basic arithmetic
Religious Education - I've been an atheist since late teens
Metalwork and Woodwork - taught by dimwits
Art - I couldn't draw or paint very well. My Dad taught me how to emulsion a wall and gloss a skirting board.
What did I learn which was of some use?
English - thank goodness I was good at something
History - in which I took a degree later on.
French and German
Standing up for myself
A natural suspicion of people in authority
Guile, cunning, capacity for self preservation - it was the only way to get through a boys grammar school for seven years without having a nervous breakdown.
Scottish country dancing...
courtesy of Alloway Primary School - and therefore, as a result, also a lot, and I mean A LOT, about Robert Burns.
From south of the border, though, logarithms particularly spring to mind.
A Paramecium
Moves forward by using it's cilia in a Metachronal Rhythm (TMTFL).
Blind Date with Cilia
is a Sat evening programme I'd actually watch (it would be a lorra lorra laffs)
Sod school, how about university?
Bearing in mind that I did a vocational degree, I would say that geting on for 80% of the stuff I absorbed for exams was of absolutely no use whatsoever in my professional career. It was a case of learn on the job. From the patient's perspective, would you rather know that your dentist knows differential diagnosis of the various types of calcifying epithelial odontogenic cyst, chance of seeing in practice 1:100 over a 40 year career, or that your dentist knows how to accurately diagnose and effectively treat your toothache, chance of seeing 3:1 per day in practice?
Equal emphasis was placed on these things. The problem with degrees is that they're taught by academics.
The "those who can, do, those who can't, teach" saw is a huge slur on teachers. For lecturers at dental schools, however, it is 100% bang on the money. The academic staff are all people who have failed to make the grade in practice or, alternatively, people who were wise enough to realise that they weren't cut out for the thrash and grind of life at the toothface.
Algebra is incredibly useful
Not just for working out change in the pub but for putting an abstract bunch of things together and getting some order and logic behind it.
It helps you work out what's missing as well.
Agreed.
I also often use the equations of motion to work out how fast something might be going / far it might have travelled / fast it might be ac/decellerating. The ability to substitute values into an equation and shift it around to make a part of it the subject is a skill which, once learned, is not forgotten. It takes a while to sink in - well I remember my Old Man trying to teach it to me - but once it's there..
I learnt how to avoid
Mr "Bummer" Langley's "OUCH" ruler and wandering hands and I haven't needed it in the real world as the last I heard he was residing at Her Majesties pleasure hopefully being forcefully buggered by fellow inmates.
As usual it depends
I have used algebra (or a sub-set of it) all my professional life, but then I'm a programmer by trade so that probably doesn't count. I haven't used a multi-gym in probably 20 years (but did for a while, post education).
Haven't used pretty much any of my A level maths, or most of the O level maths since I left school, but I did happened to use simultaneous equations, just the once when I was in my mid 30s. Damn but that was a weird little struggle to a) remember what technique was required, and 2) how to use it.
And I finally got to use long division recently....when my son started doing it for his homework. I'm warming up for calculus and trigonometry for the same reason. God help me if he asks anything about chemistry.
Don't know much about biology
Can't remember the French I took.
Maths
FWIIW, I have always thought that maths is the universal language, & when we eventually meet up with ET, maths will be the language then.
Maths rocks (get them off downtown)
Well I was married to a mathematician (abstract algebraist) for 13 years so I can state with authority that it's NOT a universal language. Fortunately he spoke others.
What did I learn? That something that can't be measured (infinity) nevertheless comes in different sizes. That one squared is still one. And that mathematical ability is not sexually transmitted.