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There but for the grace of the God that watches over sub-editors
Posted by David Hepworth on 4 June 2010 - 12:20pm.

If that doesn't send a shiver down your spine you're not a true hack.
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Easily done, but on the splash?
It's a variation on the now modern classic 'heady here heady here'.
We almost sent a page out in the Saturday evening football Pink Echo with the headline 'Hyder has a tiny knob' on the Tranmere report.
Almost.
how did they miss that one?
As hacks we've all been there, or close, but that's truly terrible hackery.
Talking of 'almost' headlines, I once had a new appointment story about a man called Koch (with a hard ch, fnaar) taking a role previously held by a woman. The sub put it on the page as 'Koch slips into xxxx's slot'
We bottled it.
James May
Yes, the James May of Top Gear fame... was sacked after it was spotted that he started each paragraph of a piece with a letter that spelled out the sentence "This Is Fucking Boring" (allegedly).....
It was the 1992 Road Test Supplement
I used to work on a educational publication
which contained a lot of annotated diagrams. The designer was in the habit of putting 'what the fuck's this?' at the end of the leader lines (for the subs to fill in the text boxes).
Came very close to going to print once. The editor sensibly told him to stop it.
Nightmares
I have nightmares about that sort of thing happening to me. Whoever did this has my deepest sympathy.. Today won't be easy.
I also freelanced on a magazine
that accidentally published a lady's minge on the front cover. Now that was funny (only because it wasn't my fault).
Can men have a minge?
Transexuals?
Or it could have been an elephant's minge.
Clutching at straws
so to say
Those were the days
Sitting in the office, discussing the tautology of "lady's minge".
it's a 'Mange'
Are you not mixing it up
with the mangina?
I'm not a hack but a sort of related story:
Winston Churchill when Prime Minister would write comments in the margin of reports submitted to him and send these back for further action. He was also forthright in his opinion about the advice he was given and, if he disagreed, would write 'Bollocks!' beside it.
One civil servant, whose advice Sir Winston would regularly disparage, took umbrage at the language used and let this be known, via the chain of command, to the great man himself. Churchill read the guys next report and instead of his usual 'bollocks' wrote 'round objects' in the margin.
To which the civil servant wrote back: "Who is Round and to what does he object?"
Future Publishing classics
...wanted to get this in before anyone else does, but the classic story from the early 90s when I was at Future Publishing in Bath was a caption in a games mag that was left as 'Type some shit in here'. For a few years this became the standard caption mantra if any 'comedy' captions were put in by freelancers etc. "We don't want another 'Type some shit in here's, do we?"
Of course the other classic was the cover of Amiga Format that read 'Sieze the future' April 93 issue, huge spelling mistake in 120pt on the cover.
See also Danny Dyer and production editors.
Sign language
The Welsh says "I'm out of the office at the moment. Please send on anything that needs translating."
Proof
If anyone doesn't believe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7702913.stm
See also:
and this
The Welsh apparently says 'bladder inflammation upset' which suggests whoever looked the word 'cyclists' up in the Welsh/English dictionary found the word for 'cystitis' instead.
There but for the grace of God
was exactly the cry that went up round the newsroom this morning when this came in on email.
We’ve all had heart-stopping cock-ups, but I can’t ever remember seeing a splash head like this. I suspect the printers may not get on well with staff at this title.
In the first edition of a paper I launched some years ago I wrote a piece at 3am that claimed Wellington “took up a life of soldering against the wishes of his mother”.
My, how the publisher was pleased that we made Private Eye with issue one.
Classics from the Bootle Times
Spotted, in time, on the stone:
'Penisoner is prisoner in own home'
Not spotted on stone:
'Dyxlexia classes launched'
Greatest correction:
'He was charged with possessing a quantity of rugs and not drugs as we erroneously stated. We apologise for any etc...'
I don't understand
What's wrong with enjoying Northern Cyprus?
These things give me the cold sweats
One designer I worked with (not at THE WORD) had the habit of writing the dummy text "wanky wanky wankeroo" in caption boxes. There were many close escapes. I also recall famed journal of the women's movement MS. Magazine going to press with a cover line about "The Future Of Feminisim".
From their website
The actual cover.
Good to see the
New Fast Automatic Daffodils have reformed, though.
Sit mae...
...pnawn da pob. I can confirm that the first sentence is I'm not in the office at the moment but after that my Gymraeg gets a bit Cym-ragged.
Having produced a few missives concerning "Public Sector" it's amazing how often the letter "l" goes missing.
Oops
I know a designer who cut a sample from a folder to send to a paper merchant and then sent the folder off to the printer as a folding guide.
The printer then produced 10,000 folders all with a neat little square punched out of the back to match the hole that the paper sample left. She tells me that she still has nightmares about it 10 years on.
I dunno...
could have passed it off as A Pretty Cool Statement, Actually. And if you didn't get it, you were obviously a square.
About ten years ago...
The South Wales Argus would feature a small advert on the cover from a local Indian restaurant, which would feature 2 or 3 comments from satisfied customers.
One day the advert featured the following recommendation:
"The desserts are as big as my tits"
Post Of The Day
Difficult to know
Whether that's a recommendation or a criticism without further information...
About 5 years ago
I used to lay out the Council newspaper, it was a real Mickey Mouse team: no editor, no subs just 4 press officers and one designer. At the time I was also working weekends at The Express to fund a new amp, not the greatest of papers but at least I got an insight as to how a 'real' paper is produced.
We had none of the systems in place that were common in newspaperland, and were constantly flying by the seat of our pants. It was a nightmare every 3 months, we all dreaded it.
Confession time:
I am guilty of putting daft captions to pics and bogus headlines to stories, it was the only light relief in a time of weeping and wailing. My fave caption was one for a pic of Princess Anne and the Head of Leisure (a Geordie) perusing an exhibit at one of our heritage sites, it went AFAICR "Eww what's orl theese stuff then"? "That pet, is a bonny spread aw hame made scones n'ahm ganna gie it a reet guid ploatin'".
Unfortunately the bossbitch at the time got a hold of a print out with this on it. I got a reet guid ploatin!
how a 'real' paper is
how a 'real' paper is produced
how did that pan out?
I was once sent to edit a
I was once sent to edit a wee free paper in West Lancs as well as coach the oldies in the darks arts of Quark 4.0. (I am giving myself and enormous amount of side here describing it as editing - it was 36 pages twice a week where the most creative job was the church listings.)
However to amuse ourselves me and the deputy editor of the paid-for title tried to get as many music references into headlines and captions. Joy Division/ New Order one week, Nirvana the next etc.
I love the idea that in years to come someone's going to wonder about captions that read CEREMONY: Members of Ormskirk's Comrades bowling club will never be left in a lonely place again with the opening of a new club house...
Cor, we were annoying twats.
A few years ago we had a
A few years ago we had a major redesign on SFX. Lots of creative sweat, serious fanfare. The opening line of the editorial in the relaunch issue was "Welcome to the swanky new-look SFX!"
Somewhere between the final proof of the page and the printing house this had become "Welcome to the wanky new-look SFX!"
Only a heart-stopping, last-minute telephone call from a keen-eyed production person prevented this peculiarly self-deprecating aloha from hitting the nation's shelves.
SFX
SFX and The Word are 2 of the 3 magazines I read every month (the other is the Economist - odd mix, I know). Good mag.
I thought sub editors were
like, so last century?
They are...
...and that is perhaps the reason why cock-ups like this happen with greater regularity
Ta.
Just as I feared, then!
a good sub
is worth their weight in gold
and, dare I say it,
might have amended the title of this thread to:
'...the God who watches over sub-editors...'
Or a meringue? :-)
Well, indeed
The correct sentence is 'good subs are worth their weight in gold' or 'a good sub is worth his or her weight in gold'.
No!
Subs are the guardians of style, not grammar. If you're working for Pedant's Digest, you might rewrite that sentence as your suggest, but most of us set out sights lower and the subs only have to stop the journal sinking below the agreed standards.
I have a thing with our subs where I am entirely happy to start a sentence with a conjunction, but they are resisting it. Grammar moves on and so does style. But I do their appraisals, so there.
I'd definitely subscribe to Pedant's Digest.
Sounds like a marvellous read.
It's never been published
they couldn't agree where to put the apostrophe.
More than a mere arrow
That was a good one.
It was renamed.
The Digest For Those Who Derive Pleasure From Pedantry.
A sub's job
is 95% consistency and 5% commas. Anything else, they're just showing off.
Yes indeed
In my earlier post I hope they'd pick up 'your suggest' and 'set out sights' which is what they are there for - but I think this sentence:
Would come back to me as 'However, I conduct their Appraisals, so; there.' or somesuch nonsense.
Judging
by my experiences as a sub, it's 80 per cent re-writing - including correcting spellings and ill-researched facts. Hello to the reasonably well-known tabloid writer who thought David Jason played Insp David Frost.....
I'm no sub, but
I'm no sub, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they would suggest not necessarily
"A good sub is worth their weight in gold"
Sly Bailey missed that meeting.
who
he/her?
I could
spend a while describing serried faults, but basically think Satan with a slightly sunnier disposition. Erm, allegedly
Excuse my ignorance
but what are the processes that allow something like this to actually go to press?
tight deadlines
not enough staff, demoralised workforce, a cut in wages.... d'y want me to go on?
Sounds like where I work
I was just interested. Poor bugger who presses the button marked print must be in big trouble?
fortunately
we had a very good repro house (remember them) and they would scan our artwork for howlers
Innocence of youth
A staggeringly jejune trainee was puzzled when I told her I had to spike her court story about a woman who stole a packet of Tampax (TM) and received a conditional discharge.
Another began a court report about a bar barney with: 'A man was chased into a pub toilet and beaten savagely with stools.'
And, possibly my ultimate fave: in another pub fracas a police spokesman said: 'The victim was kicked in the toilet area.'
ps It would be churlish not to mention my own bloopers such as describing someone as wearing a 'distinctive T-shit' (I suppose it would be distinctive) and once absent-midedly typing my own phone number in a story about police appealing for witnesses to some nasty infraction.
Honestly
did you really spike that Tampax story? I've covered a lot of court in the past and someone nicking Tampax, that would definitely go in -- no matter what the sentence was.
I did
Think about it - The woman got a conditional discharge. Euwww and, indeed, euwww.... it was a Private Eye/Press Gazette entry in waiting, frankly
Sorry, yes...
I got that bit, but sentence shmentence, you could have worded round it anyway; it was the woman stealing sanitary products that was the story there. I can only imagine what her defence solicitor came up with. Back to the NCTJ for you, Paul! [Subs, please insert winking smiley here.]
Call me dirty-minded
You can't use the word discharge in a story about tampons - unless yr Jenny Eclair. That's what the naive hack just didn't understand, to her - and my - chagrin. One day I'll tell the story of how she informed me that her local minister was offended by an article I wrote.
ps NCTJ? I passed the exam, only to end up a 'resting' tabloid sub....Probably not the examiners' intention
Wither subs - a tragedy
Normally, in the olden days, Dave, the page would have been designed by someone, then passed to the splash sub-editor to edit the copy and perhaps write the headline (if it hadn't been written by a senior editor already - an example of an editor writing a great headline below). At that stage a production editor would send it off to the presses having thrown an eye ball around it one more time.

Now, with subs being seen as a luxury of the modern multi-skilled era, the designer, production editor and sub are often the same person.
And with the reliance on filling templates (to replace designers) and new technologies and centralised systems, mistakes are more prevalent.
This is a cracking splash where the editor came out and wrote the headline and sub-deck himself in the old fashioned way. One of the great sub-heads of all time IMO.
Interesting
I send trucks with peoples personal belongings all over Europe, I call it removals, it's now called relocation. 10 years ago I would have had a transport manager and a couple of assistants who would liaise with the drivers and deal with the mechanic. Now I have the lofty title of General Manager which means I do it all. I'm waiting for the day when they ask if I can fix a bloody cam belt and do we really NEED a mechanic? The day one of the damn things crashes on a German Autobahn because I didn't know it needed the fucking brakes fixing it will be my fault because I am one man doing a job that used to need five. Cost savings or efficiency they call it it seems to be endemic.
Sorry Paddy
rant over, is this one of yours? It is absolute genius.
I wish
I wish it was, Dave. Alas, I'm a 'hackademic' now and drifting towards proper political science academia.
It was written by ECHO editor Ali Machray - still a tremendous journalist when the bureaucracy allows him to be so.
I left under a cloud thanks to being a cynical 65-year-old sub trapped in a 32-year-old's body.
I actually left not long after hearing two oul lads, trapped under strip lighting for far too long, arguing about the correct use of the semi-colon and what was better: Horlicks or Ovaltine?
I'm also now fastidiously over punctuating due to Lenny's post.
Surely you mean
'over-punctuating'?
Quite right
As my old chief sub never said to me, Pete, 'You have eyes like a shit house rat.'
It was his highest form of praise for grammatical excellence in a sub.
Pedantry alert!
I was always told to use "owing to" rather than "due to" for reasons that I can no longer remember. Please don't tell me that my A-level history teacher, Mr Peters (RIP), was wrong. It would blow a hole in the time-space continuum...
I don't know much about journalism.
But what I find interesting is reading the posts on this thread from those who work within the fourth estate. Some are constructed beautifully; concise prose using words and punctuation as they should be used. I assume that these are written by people who are, or were, sub-editors.
Others make me gasp. I'm not a wordsmith. I'm a dentist. But.. bloody hell..
I'm assuming these bits are written by journalists who have become used to having their copy automatically subbed down in rather efficient fashion and forget that such things don't happen automatically here..
Lenny
You caling me iliterat, Marathan Man?
Not you, Patrick.
Not by the longest of chalks.
That Liverpool Daily Trumpet front page is a work of genius. You can just feel the back-slappery, winks and drinks which came from that, can't you?
The Portsmouth Evening News comes up with the odd corker from time to time. We in Portsmouth are blessed with a proper local paper which uses local journalists to cover local stories. Wire copy is restricted to a single page. It's a proper News Paper and I buy it every day if only as a gesture to the principles of old-school journalism it tries to uphold.
Correction in a small local newspaper in southwestern Norway
We deeply regret that we printed that Ola and Kari Nordmann died last saturday. They got married.
It's not just the printed word...
Years ago, I used to read travel news. Part of the job was recording the premium rate travel line: we had ring a number, read a long, long list of roadworks and press a button to save it. Any mistakes, you had to press another button and start again.
So pity my colleague, who fluffed up halfway through recording the travel line, exclaimed "OH FUCK IT!", pressed the button to delete, then hung up intending to re-record it later.
Yes, you've guessed it. He pressed the wrong button, forgot to re-record it, and so forced hundreds of angry punters to pay 33p per minute for the pleasure of someone shouting "And on the M6 there are queues at... OH FUCK IT!".
For financial reasons
at work I write, edit, sub-edit and proof my own stuff. I can feel all the hacks flinching as they read this. I regularly wake up in a cold sweat thinking I've sent something disastrous to print, but generally I get away with it.
Apart from the time I put the wrong person's name on an obituary.
Obituary larfs
"Sadly pissed."
was once spotted at the end of one.
Great obituaries
There is a now famous BMD from the Liverpool ECHO which Maconie, I think, makes mention of.
It read: 'Come 'ed Billy lad, you've bounced back from worse than this.'
Merseysiders also, always turn to poetry in their hour of grief.
e.g. 'I'll never forget the night you were so ill/ You sat up in bed and said: 'Ta ra Lil'.'
Or 'I'll always think of you dead on a street so grotty/ Beaten to death in Lanzarote.'
I have many, many more BMDs to offer.
Classic 'Curb'
Reminds me of a classic episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry's wife's Aunt dies and, or course, Larry is charged with writing the obituary. When said obituary is printed in the local paper, the family are rightly appalled, that 'beloved Aunt' has somehow become 'beloved c**t'...
Years ago
I remember Flight, many many years ago, showing at sign at a UK airport that looked pretty normal at first glance, black on yellow, etc etc.
Closer inspection showed the signwriter had carefully written
"Departurtures"
That reminds me
My workplace moved buildings several years ago. Someone ordered new signs for every door; including the many recording studios. Someone also someone didn't check the order properly.
50 brand new door signs arrived, proudly stating "Recording studio: Quite please".
I imagine whoever ordered them
was quite displeased.
I can't help thinking of Jon Ronson's piece about the Kubrick boxes-which revealed that even his storage boxes had been custom designed, and one still had the note inside that said something like "fussy customer"
... praise indeed.
Wrong date?
Oh, this thread brings back memories.
There was the time the note to the news editor about a mistake in the news diary made it to page three of the paper as a one par filler with the heading 'Wrong date.'
Or the time when the two WOBs (White on Black) headings on a page were mixed up. It ended up with the shot of a retiring priest and his two elderly supporters next to the headline 'Pillage and plunder - they love it.'
And then there was the feature about the anniversary of a local charity - 'The blind look back on 25 years of good work.'
I also remember around the same time Eddie Shah's Today paper had a feature with the standfirst, 'Alan Bennett looks up his old friend David Hockney.'
Ah college days
Spent working on the student rag or weekly Union newsletters. The biggest amount of debate was aimed at Sun-style headlines that were suitable for print.
One story was about a university chancellor election between Clement Freud & a topless model. The result? "Chunky Clement comes on top of tasty morsel". It helps if you know Clem was the face of ads for dog food at the time.
Then there was the time we rang through an order for t-shirts that arrived back saying "Poly Disco. Every Wenesday & Saturday".
A certain inevitability about all this
http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/6620
On a slightly related note...
Many years ago I worked for a struggling Dundee-based national magazine and newspaper publisher, in their "youth" magazines dept.
It was the time when glossy young women's magazines were hitting the shelves, like Just Seventeen and Mizz. So our doughty publishers spent a great deal of time and money planning their entry into this market, with an unprecedented TV advertising campaign in the works.
They gathered all the staff together to proudly launch the campaign. We all sat waiting expectantly as the bearded 40-something Masonic Dundonian who was the Managing Editor (and who knew precisely nothing about teenagers) stood up, drew back the curtains and announced...
"Shout... A Girl's First Monthly"
Oh, how we laughed..
deleted
Paddy got there first, see below.
On a slightly related note...
Many years ago I worked for a struggling Dundee-based national magazine and newspaper publisher, in their "youth" magazines dept.
It was the time when glossy young women's magazines were hitting the shelves, like Just Seventeen and Mizz. So our doughty publishers spent a great deal of time and money planning their entry into this market, with an unprecedented TV advertising campaign in the works.
They gathered all the staff together to proudly launch the campaign. We all sat waiting expectantly as the bearded 40-something Masonic Dundonian who was the Managing Editor (and who knew precisely nothing about teenagers) stood up, drew back the curtains and announced...
"Shout... A Girl's First Monthly"
Oh, how we laughed..
Dammit
Blinking laptop's on a go-slow, hence the double post
don't worry
it's such a good story, I laughed both times.
Mary J
Back during my time at HMV, we were running co-op tube posters with MCA for the latest Mary J Blige album. Imagine the record company's consternation when the posters appeared with the legend, 'the new album from Mary J BILGE'... If this wasn't bad enough, the hilarious typo was then reported upon in the following weeks music industry rag, Music Week.
Needless to say, MCA were well and truly pissed off.
A couple of weeks later I was working with MCA on some ads for some John Lee Hooker ads. For a laugh I had one mocked up with John Lee Hooker becoming John SHE Hooker. Cue the following phone call from MCA, "Crouch! (my surname), do you yoga?". Me, "What?". MCA representative, "Stick your head up your arse!" Click.....
Brilliant story
They were aiming to corner the periodical market then?
The paper I work for...
...had a story about a physiotherapist who was giving head and neck massages to doctors.
you got a
phone number?
I guess at least if the Oxford comma was always used
when needed, there'd be no ambiguity when it wasn't, but on looking the subject up I enjoyed this wonderfully pedantic example on Wikipedia:
A thought..
Would sticking a colon after the "encouters with" indicate that what follows is a list?
probably
and it's what I'd have done, but where's the fun in that ;-)
Nearly had one today
I'm not making this up I promise. A biscuit manufacturer has released two new products, Jaffa Shortcake and Caramel Shortcake. The headline that came to me (genuinely not making this up) was: Foxes new snacks.
Sadly
I once told the parents of a kiddy who lost a thumb in an accident that I was 'keeping my fingers crossed for her'.
And I still tease a mate who asked a blind chap what the photographer who had just visited him looked like. Apparently, a very long pause followed.
oh, no.....
a sound engineer friend of mine, said he was working on a shoot where they were interviewing the parents of a boy who had died from electrocution: the interviewer said: "This must have been an incredible shock to you......."
Post-Cumbria
Our local paper has a story about local pubs this week, and how the World Cup is "...a real shot in the arm".
Quality...
I used to knock about with a girl who was a filthy strumpet when I knew her, but had evidently been an innocent abroad earlier in her life, most obviously during 1985 when she had had a large quantity of posters, banners, pens and sundry promotional tat printed up for a convention / exhibition for the Quality Control industry.
The exhibition was called "Quality in Manufacturing '85," they had little use for boxes of stuff all emblazoned with "QUIM-85 in big, bold type...
There but for...
Is there some irony in that I was informed about this in an e-mail that included the sentence "favourite Back Country son, Telly Savalis"!!!!!! ??
PS
We're all capable of it: writing a script for my radio show: ‘she is better known as a bass player, rather than a performer in her own right’ nearly went out on air as ‘she is better now as a bass player, rather than a performer in her own right’ Hmm
‘Buying that designer stuff’ With the omission of a single letter, became ‘Buying tat designer stuff.’
SOOOO easy
Lost Consonants
You could almost produce a series of cartoons based around that idea, you know...
What do you mean someone already did?
Ouch
The name and the address both wrong. You'd sack a cub reporter for less.
I've fired myself.
It's what happens when you're a) busy, b) stupid, and c) used to working on the web where you know you can go back and fix errors.
subs
Aren't subs notoriuosly rubbish at COMMUNICATING?
Only
when they have to talk to people
subs (endangered species)
There seem to be more subs contributing to this site than are now left working in the industry...
The headline horror at top is (allegedly) down to the Atex system, used by newspaper proprietors sacrificing staff and standards to keep profits coming in (see also the recent already infamous Sheffield Star headshots cock-up).
Good luck to all you other subs struggling to keep a skill alive in a a dying industry.
For my sins
I used to edit the Beds Times & Citizen, many moons ago - so this sent an extra shiver down my spine when I saw it.
Wouldn't have happened in my day, etc, etc.
The chap who now edits the paper is a good operator and is, I imagine, mortified at what's happened - and, yes, mick50, it is the Atex system that is the real villain of this piece.
I am now, thankfully, out of regional press, but former colleagues still stuck with Johnston Press (for it is indeed they) have been predicting something like this for some time.
Apparently the aforementioned Atex system cleverly does away with subs altogether and allows reporters to write directly on to the page.
There's more to it than that - but only the accountants think it is progress, and more horrors like the Beds Times cock-up are very much on their way.
The remaining Johnston Press galley slaves are girding their loins for national strike action over Atex and assorted other JP misdemeanours - don't think it'll do any good, but can sympathise with the poor buggers,
I used to go out with a sub.
She left me for a hovercraft.
I used to
be big down under, I dunno what happened
Heads to regret
... as a cub reporter I wrote for NZ's equivalent of Radio Times, about JB Priestley when he was in his 90s. The topic was his series of "Time" plays. My suggestion of "Time is On My Side" was taken up. He then died while the mag was at the printers, and they had time to change it at great expense. They ignored my replacement suggestion of "Time Waits for No One".
Fiveteen years later, older and wiser, but foolish enough to work for miserable offshore publishers with no interest in local other than as a cash cow, I ran a story about the country's annual cheese competitions. My temporary headline was "Cutting the Cheese", an expression in New Zealand for farting. I was surprised that no one in the Australian office - the only place in that country without a sense of humour, I often felt - spotted it. Being a contract magazine for a serious client, I reluctantly had to pull it... any other jokes that have gone seriously wrong?
Was looking at the ad
for the S Vega acoustic tour in current edition of mag-pleased to see she'll be playing "Basingsoke". Sounds wonderfully Hogarthian ...
And thanks to whoever mentioned We7 on this site, btw, just been playing the Vega acoustic album from there.