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The Word Podcast vs the Mercury Music Prize Shortlist

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ImageThe Mercury Music Prize shortlist: an enticing menu of thrilling new listening or the musical equivalent of geography homework? Eamonn Forde, David Hepworth and Fraser Lewry exchange their prejudices about the shortlist, look at the effect that Twitter has had on the opening weekends of movies and wonder how we'd feel if we were confronted by the paparazzi.
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Ah...

lovely Eamonn.

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Gauntlet | 23 July 2009 - 10:50pm

Just about to go to bed

I have a very early start in the morning, so I thought I'd just update the iPod with the latest "Archers" podcast for the train journey and, blow me down, another Word podcast has been slipped in. Even with my new 10 Mbps connection (thanks Mr Branson) that's still another 11 minutes delay to my bedtime. Curse you word!

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Thomas the Rhymer | 23 July 2009 - 10:50pm
Leedsboy | 24 July 2009 - 9:22am

Forward with Forde

Eamonn is always great, his insights are extremely interesting.

I suggest that Fraser look to the deep for his next batch of exotic meats. Perhaps a poached coelacanth or a giant isopod steak. May I be the first to vote for a Lewry column in Word trumpeting his latest and greatest dinners.

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John Allison | 24 July 2009 - 4:42pm

Some isopods, yesterday

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Flambéed? In a pie? As a starter?

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Fraser Lewry | 24 July 2009 - 4:48pm

That looks like two 80Gb isoPods

accompanied by a 120Gb model.

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Andrew Harrison | 24 July 2009 - 5:28pm

Beast on Seals

Another belter, many thanks.
A few high lights - please tell me I wasn't the only filthbucket listening who thought the answer to the question regarding Fraser's cooking was going to be 'hare pie' - so sorry.
Secondly Mr Hepworth's description of the pub being like a sock pulled inside out was superb.
Thirdly - I know the Eamonn's excellent accent has been discussed at length, but I love the notion that the Mercury shorlist isn't solely beast on seals - a genre I haven't fully explored - where should I begin?
Finally - as I was listening in T*sco - as is becoming the norm - and Mr H recommended the Madness album I bought it there and then ... and you know what? It's bloody good :-)

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badartdog | 25 July 2009 - 8:08pm

The Accent Of E-Man

Little known fact about me - that is not my real accent. I was born in Oxford and grew up there. I've never even been to Northern Ireland. I just put on the Northern Irish accent for attention. And to "get chicks". The first part is working out great. The second part? Not so great.

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Eamonn_Forde | 26 July 2009 - 8:49am

They probably don't like

your wheels.

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Leedsboy | 26 July 2009 - 10:07pm

While my girlfriend was 'sound asleep'...

... last night, I couldn't settle - so I reached for the iPod to listen to the podcast to see if that would rest my brain.

A very enjoyable listen, but when hearing what Fraser made out of the hare in his freezer I was having so much trouble keeping my giggles under control, I had to make a dash to the spare room (not easy in the dark, without my glasses & trying to avoid the cat who I know was somewhere on the landing) so I could regain my composure.

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Reno Dakota | 26 July 2009 - 1:10pm

My wife has often been woken

by me shuffling and groaning in a what must seem a slightly obscene manner as I try desperately to suppress the laughs while listening to the Podcast!

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Retro Man | 27 July 2009 - 11:51am

Radio Rentals didn't kill the Ferguson Videostar

I still have one. 22 years old and still performing well, though after posting this no doubt it will probably give up the ghost. We still tape TV programmes in time honoured fashion. None of that new fangled Sky Plus nonsense. People always used to say you should clean the heads regularly with a head cleaning tape, but I never did. Still works fine. Originally rented from Radio Rentals who then became some other company and later let me buy it off them for about £50 many years ago. It seems you can no longer rent appliances as used to be commonplace.

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Sven Garlic | 27 July 2009 - 8:49pm

My last rented appliance

Funnily enough, while rooting through a box of ancient Stuff™ the other day, I turned up a copy of a letter I wrote in 1988 (just before I emigrated), describing my thwarted attempts to return a rented TV to the successors of the successors of the successors of its original owners.
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As far as I know, a 31-year-old Sony Trinitron is still waiting to be collected from Flat 9.

(The typewriter, the Tipp-Ex corrections, the mention of Teletext as bleeding-edge telly technology, the 01 prefix... it was another world completely, eh?)

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Archie Valparaiso | 28 July 2009 - 10:23am

Further coincidence

We also had a big, bulky black rented Sony Trintron to go with our Ferguson Videostar, which we also bought at a knock-down price, as offerred, unsolicited, by the company who rented it to us. Unfortunately we moved soon after and the removal men must have man-handled the TV somewhat since it packed up pretty quickly, which I expected the video recorder to do as well, but it keeps on going. The process for progamming it with the remote is rather long-winded though (a bit like this reply in fact). My wife has never mastered it.

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Sven Garlic | 28 July 2009 - 12:39pm

Wives

They do it deliberately, you know. It's a bit like selectively deaf old people.

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Archie Valparaiso | 28 July 2009 - 1:17pm

Is it just me

that is tickled by the fact you moved to Granada? Do you think that confused them?

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Leedsboy | 28 July 2009 - 10:22pm

I moved

as soon I discovered my new landlord was Visionhire.

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Archie Valparaiso | 29 July 2009 - 9:21am

Eamonn is cock on about FATM

they must be the most over-hyped, fake-weird release for years. No surprise they're nominated though as british rock's gradual slide has coincided with the arrival of the Mercury Music prize. By definition music doesn't need 'prizes', music-marketing does.

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Mr Fade | 27 July 2009 - 11:17am

pubs opening early

Talking about the Alma reminded me about the pub in Southwark Market which was always open before 9am for benefit of the stall holders who had been there since the wee hours!

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andrewdavidlong | 27 July 2009 - 12:16pm

My uncle ran a pub near Smithfield Market...

... and I think they opened at about 5 or 6 in the morning for the traders (the pubs name is lodged somewhere in my brain, The Newmarket / New Market, I think...). Seems odd to be drinking in a pub at that time of day - shows how much things change.

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Reno Dakota | 27 July 2009 - 12:24pm

The Market Porter maybe?

http://www.pubs.com/pub_details.cfm?ID=208

edit: in reply to Andrew's post.

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Retro Man | 27 July 2009 - 1:16pm

Both pubs are correct

There are a few pubs round Smithfield. I can still be found, occasionally, having a Guinness and a fry-up at 7 or 8 in the morning before the office (near the market).

Lovely.

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JoLean | 27 July 2009 - 6:58pm

Market Porter

Spot on - that is the Pub I was referring - if you head down the street away from the market - there used to be a greasy spoon on the left - white tiling, big tea urn and fry ups. There is/was a cheese making place opposite. Dont know if greasy spoon has gone - this was back in 2000 - probably a Starbucks now

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andrewdavidlong | 28 July 2009 - 11:48am

The Agony!

I would like to defend The Horrors from charges that they owe their modest early success to an assortment of props on loan from the NME costume library. There seems to be a disproportionate amount of cynicism directed towards bands who work to cultivate an image - a suspicion that this tendency towards dressing-up extends into their music and makes them less sincere than a band that takes to the stage in torn jeans and faded Shellac t-shirts.

I live in Southend and so before I am accused of blind loyalty towards the town that previously brought you Jake Shillingford from My Life Story and one of the blokes from Menswe@r, I should mention that I purchased The Horror’s debut - Strange House - without knowing the first thing about the band. I am completely ignorant of the local music scene and wouldn’t know a mover or a shaker from The Junk Club if I bumped into them stacking shelves in Sainsbury’s.

Strange House is an album where you can hear the potential crystallizing. A good half of it is brilliant: The way that the chorus of Sheena is a Parasite repeatedly screeches to a jarring halt; the arbitrary point in their treacley cover of Screaming Lord Sutch’s Jack the Ripper where the song accelerates to a predatory sprint. There is also a lot of material on the album that is underdeveloped, where the band seem to know what they want to say, but don’t know how to say it.

Primary Colours has earned favourable reviews, many of which mention Geoff Barrow’s role as producer; the subtext being The Horrors used to be crap and are only good now that someone from Portishead has their hand on the tiller. This paints a distorted picture: A couple of years ago The Horrors were good, but erratic. Their second album is a progression rather than a stylistic about-face, or a daring leap between speeding bandwagons. The band were always heading in this general direction. It was a question of whether they had the motivation and the talent to match their ideas.

The thing that impresses me most about Primary Colours is the macro scale upon which the songs have been constructed. The ten tracks are the musical equivalent of sheer, 500 foot cliffs, towering over some inhospitable sub-arctic landscape. It’s an album that sounds like it was assembled in an aircraft hanger; where the end result is so huge that it exerts its own gravity. A lot of bands require that you consciously buy into their world view if you really want to enjoy their music. Primary Colours projects such confidence and unstated self-belief that it sucks you in before you realise what’s going on.

I am 35, the owner of a jaded aural palette, and at an age where I lack the energy to confront romantic disappointments with anything other than a nice cup of tea and a lie down. I have to admit that Faris Rotter’s barked instruction to: “Draw strength, walk on into the night” when confronted by an ex-girlfriend, possesses an irresistible adolescent allure.

Another song (New Ice Age) begins with him bellowing “THE AGONY!”, which on paper looks ridiculous; the kind of thing that no one over the age of 14 could listen to without a knowing smirk. And yet in practice it works.

Primary Colours could well be the album that catalyses my long overdue midlife crisis, which it now seems will manifest as a new wardrobe incorporating heavy purple eye shadow, fishnet stockings and some manner of codpiece. I really can’t think of a higher personal compliment to pay a band.

Regarding one of the other Mercury Prize nominees, I recently heard the new Florence and the Machine album without being aware of what I was listening to. Music has the power to move people in many strange and unpredictable ways. In this instance I felt compelled to ask: “What in the name of c**ting Christ is this s***?”

I have since come to the conclusion ‘The Machine’ is like the ATMOS satellite navigation system that appeared in a recent episode of Doctor Who. Ostensibly it was designed for the benefit of humanity, but later turned out to be a Trojan horse for a planetary invasion by The Sontarons. To my ears this is not music but a weapon designed to subjugate large crowds.

That said, the album’s current chart position suggests that there are a lot of people out there who really like the band and would happily mount an impassioned defence of Florence and her Machine, in the same way that I will continue to defend The Horrors.

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backwards7 | 27 July 2009 - 6:36pm

Goth :-P

been meaning to give this a listen actually after the decent Word review. You've convinced me. So often a bit of theatre, a bit of entertainment, an act is what's missing from rock.

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badartdog | 27 July 2009 - 7:33pm

Well if it was produced by Gary Barlow

it can't be all bad.
(I once accidentally saw My Life Story live, they were supporting Madder Rose. They were actually alright.)

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Adman | 27 July 2009 - 7:36pm

Trivia points...The Horrors energy drinks , merchandising idea?

Bearing in mind that teenage girls were probably their biggest demographic in the first place..The height of "The Horrors" ,"pre-musicality" hype,was surely their appearance and incorperation into an entire episode of the "Mighty Boosh" (3rd series).."Vince" ( Noel Fielding) was in love with the haircuts and coveted legs skinny enough to be their lead singer. This self deprecating and therefore endearing appearance did not make it onto Eamonn's radar i guess. I didnt give their music a second thought,but,in the same way that an appearance on "TisWas" in the early eighties,was a big boost to the "laddish" cred of our favourites "back then",being part of the "Mighty Boosh" must have counted well in their favour.
As Eamonn says ,the latest incarnation is totally different. The one track i heard sounded like Joy Division,with Andy Gill on guitar.
Re energy drinks:I had a bit of a fad (semi-addiction) to them going on this spring.The high caffiene shot certainly takes on the alcohol."Rockstar" is still around,but very much a "second division" motorcycle racing team sponsor,(along with "Relentless"),Superbikes, NorthWest 200, Isle of Man TT ,those sort of teams..
"Monster" has been heavily pushed this year, and is currently challenging "Red Bull" for number one.The green "scratch-marks" are all over MotoGp and Formula One. A welcoming environment for the twitch-inducing caffiene,carnitine and ginseng infused concoction. Incredibly sweet,taking the "cough mixture" initial bite of Red Bull,adding some sort of "juice",possibly Orange or Pineapple,with a marzipan-like after-taste...crack open a can as perfect accompaniment to the latest from Basement Jaxx...

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chrismorrell | 28 July 2009 - 8:00pm

can I just say

some moment of 'almost 51' madness engulfed me today and I went to Comet (other retailers are available and they're all the same) and bought an 8G iPd tOuch! I can't work it properly of course but first thing it sync'd to was Wordcasts. They sound an awful lot different on them cheap Apple "in the lug-o'phones", were they designed that way.

and sorry I'm late to this, the dog ate my Walkman™

also
FATM means Faith and the Muse to me, but I'm a proper old Goth not like you pretenders "Tsk!"

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James Blast | 28 July 2009 - 9:18pm

You'll never look back!

Start downloading those ridiculous Apps from the iTunes store now!
(Actually, in all seriousness there are some pretty nifty music related Apps, check 'em out...)

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Adman | 28 July 2009 - 9:32pm

headphones

James,you should go the extra (in relation to the price of the 'pod)couple of centimetres, and get some Sennheiser PX100 headphones ,(about £20 from Amazon or wherever) proper HiFi 'phones for no money.

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chrismorrell | 29 July 2009 - 12:32am

Also part from the increased quality of sound

one pleasing thing I found with my Sennheiser cx500's is how long they've lasted. It may be chance but I've had them for a year now a record for headphones and they are still in perfect condition. Compared to the £5-10 jobs from sony etc I use to buy on almost a monthly basis they are just more durable.

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Chris G | 29 July 2009 - 10:16am

thankee peeps

I have been using my Bayer Dynamic DT 311s for music listening and the sound is wonderful, probably a bit clunky for walking round the streets with so I'll def. check out those Sennheisers.
I'd welcome suggestions for apps too, I really don't know where to begin.

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James Blast | 29 July 2009 - 2:55pm

Apps - Some faves:

Chopper (majic jungle software) is a good game, uses the 'tilt' to good effect.
The '24' game (gameloft?) is good if you are a fan of the TV show.
Complete works of Shakespeare is available free! Searchable for quotes.
Darwin's Origin of Species is also free.
There are some good comic books - I have bought the first three episodes of Flash Gordon - pretty good.

So much stuff out there - many free 'lite' versions to try.

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Adman | 1 August 2009 - 9:27pm

Thankee Adman!

so far I've only d/l freebies like Waterslide (daft but addictive game that I'm crap at), Lightsaber (so stoopid, I had to) and Solitaire since I'm addicted to it.
At a meeting yesterday the question "What day was 21st Feb 08?" was asked, I immediately whipped out my iPd tOuch and told them it was a thursday.
Game over. :D

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James Blast | 1 August 2009 - 10:52pm

The glory of a King Size Mars bar

In days gone by, when I used to cycle to work in Wandsworth from Crouch End, which was roughly a 25 mile round trip, I had the misfortune one evening to bonk.
This doesn't mean I had a lewd experience on the bike, but it's what cyclists call it, when your blood sugar drops to zero. It's a really strange sensation, one second you're cycling perfectly normally then you feel as though somehow the power has been switched off. You just have no energy. You also get this sugar craving.
Unfortunately I was on Exhibition Road in Kensington, (where the Science, Natural History and V&A museums are) near to the south side of Hyde Park. This is an area with no shops at all.
I got myself across Hyde Park, to a newsagent I knew on the north side. Got off my bike, went in and saw exactly what I needed: a king size Mars Bar.
It's hard to describe the ecstasy of the taste of that first mouthful. It was simply one of the best things I've ever eaten in my life. Forget your Kudu steaks, this was simply oral heaven. I ate about 2/3 and let my body recharge. With another 6 miles to go, I reserved the final bit until I got to Kentish Town when I wolfed down that gorgeous chocolate and mallow confection.
That was at least 10 years ago and I've never touched another one since because I know how disappointing it will taste, unless I bonk again.

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Carl Parker | 31 July 2009 - 6:28pm

is that

available in the Apps section Brer Carl?

as a Type 2, I do know how low blood sugar can effect a bod

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James Blast | 31 July 2009 - 9:59pm
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