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The Wisdom Of Crowds

David Hepworth's picture

I reckon between us we must have bought every electronic gizmo that was nice to have but not exactly necessary. Therefore I'm consulting the Word massive before buying a portable satnav for the car. Oh yes.

I'm going on holiday and would prefer to avoid the Bonnie Tyler experience of being Lost In France. Anyone bought this kind of kit and got any useful experience to pass on? Anything I should avoid? Any pitfalls for the unwary wandering into Halfords? If this works we might extend it into other areas previously covered by the Consumers Association...

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Tom Tom 1

Simple to use and the price is plummeting. Crap after sales and the downloads for subsequent "maps" and updates don't always download properly take away the merit slightly. Usually correct but for some reason mine always tries to take me to Sparkhill rather than Balsall Common, when seeking an alehouse I occasionally frequent. You can also download a Basil Fawlty voice to replace the provided Dick or Jane.

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Retropath2 | 23 June 2008 - 10:43am

Basil!

I downloaded the John Cleese voice, which had the same impact as a 'humourous' ring tone after a while.....I now switch off the voice.

The rozzers tell us that these are prime tea-leaf fodder. Even the circular sticker imprint on the windscreen is enough to get your side window done. As I can attest.

Be careful out there.....

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muttnjeff | 23 June 2008 - 12:49pm

It works for me

Another vote over here for the Tom Tom ONE. As you say, simple to use, and relatively cheap. Keeping the maps up to date adds to the cost, but is worthwhile. We used the Eddie Izzard voice for a while, until the novelty of him yelling "For God's sake turn left!" began to pall.

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Paul Vincent | 23 June 2008 - 3:04pm

They've got the widescreen one here

http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/shop/products2.asp?CategoryID=11&SubCat...
My first port of call for good, cheap gear. Tottenham Court Road comes to you.

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Graham Johns | 25 June 2008 - 11:00pm

Top Gear message board

Advice on satnavs?!? This is an abuse of this forum. A tenuous link to Bonnie Tyler won't help. I'm going to report it to the boss.
Oh... as you were.

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Nick White | 23 June 2008 - 10:44am

Tenuous?

Not if he joins the Tom Tom club.......
(I'll get my carcoat.......)

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Retropath2 | 23 June 2008 - 10:51am

Very Useful

But they do have a tendency of sometimes taking you the more "scenic" of routes.

Thus my advice would be, regardless of which brand you get always but always make sure you have consulted the map before hand and made sure where the Satnav thinks you are going IS where you want to be and then take the map with you in the event of technical failure.

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Riccardo Gargiulo | 23 June 2008 - 10:53am

Updated maps are useful

My brother-in-law was taken on a winding goat path over a mountain by his GPS, only to discover when he got to the bottom that there was a motorway tunnel that had been in service for at least two years.

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Archie Valparaiso | 23 June 2008 - 11:04am

Autoroute

from (eek!) microsoft is really jolly well damn good for this and it covers the France. I use that for the journey and then satnav for the final few miles to my destination.

Using a satnav on motorways often leads me to leaving the motorway a junction too early despite the shortest/motorway route options on the damn thing that should avoid such problems.

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TedLoaf | 23 June 2008 - 11:05am

Tom Tom 920T

Is very good but not cheap. If you really must have the best then go for the 930T.

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austinplatt | 23 June 2008 - 11:02am

Archos 605 GPS

Actually, if you want a really all round device, which plays movies, music, browses the web and does the GPS thing, then the Archos 605 GPS is probably worth looking at. I have the non GPS version and it is my favourite media device by far. However, I can't attest to its navigational ability as I didn't buy that version.

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austinplatt | 23 June 2008 - 11:15am

Don't get one

Meandering around French lanes is a constant joy. The road signs are excellent and anyway if you do go adrift, invariably you'll find some hidden village, picturesque view or little cafe around a corner. Do you really want to be bossed about by some wannabee iPod for your whole holiday? Just say no!

BTW - I had an iPod mount fitted in the car by Halfords. Without boring everyone with the whole catalogue of disasters it remained half fitted for months, and eventually (having exhausted all other routes) I wrote to the CEO to complain. Within 24 hours they'd fitted it properly and also sent me a top of the range iPod to say sorry!

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Twangothan | 23 June 2008 - 11:35am

Maps

These are really excellent. You can get as many or as few as you like, and only spend a few Euros at a time. They can be stuffed into the door cubby hole, and won't attract ASBO (OBAS in French) owners if left in full view.

They contain all sorts of useful information, and are not just limited to the basic "A to B" information. They also double as swatting tools to eject angry insect life from the car whilst in motion.

The only disadvantage is that you will need a navigator, unless you don't mind stopping on the hard shoulder where some cheese-eating gallic road-missiles will shave the paint off your passenger door, layer by layer.

I have such a navigator, called "Wife", who needs a firmware upgrade in order to work with metric units, but other than that performs the task adequately well.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 23 June 2008 - 12:35pm

When everybody else but Mark Ellen...

...had a VCR he used to say that his VCR was his wife who watched things and then told him about them.
Then he replaced it with an IVR (Irish Video Recorder) which recorded the programmes you didn't want to watch and then played them back when you were out.

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David Hepworth | 23 June 2008 - 12:42pm

Sage advice....

Sat Navs are nothing more than a gimmick.

Just like the iPod, they'll never catch on.

Now, where's my Sound Burger...

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Six Dog | 23 June 2008 - 1:03pm

I agree

I lived in France for 6 years and toured to every corner of le Hexagon with only the excellent Michelin atlas and the Wife accessory Vulpes refers to (mine came with the normally chargeable upgrade patch Knowing Left from Right pre-installed). Of course I have no problem with buying unnecessary digital toys - I bought a Korg X50 only this afternoon - but don't confuse them with what is really required, e.g. wine cooler, picnic blanket, sun hat etc.

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Twangothan | 23 June 2008 - 8:39pm

Je suis perdu, encore!

I would suggest a Tom Tom with the downloadable European maps, along with the conventional map. As someone already suggested, work out your route using only the conventional map, then as you get close to your destination, use the satnav.

I rarely use mine but my wife uses it a lot. It always gets her there(eventually), usually in a state of panic after being told countless times "Do A U-Turn".

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bigsteviecook | 23 June 2008 - 12:53pm

Tom Tom One Xl

& download the Mike Strutter voicepack.

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Darthfarter | 23 June 2008 - 1:11pm

Two birds with one stone

Has anyone tried the GPS smart phone root instead of standlone Sat Nav?

Also as public transport user I was amused to see a dad, family in tow obsessively checking his satnav on the bus the other day. Which sounds sensible in London except having spent the entire journey telling us all that they were "almost there" he finally sprang up and hurried his brood off the bus at that hard to find, tricky to spot tourist attraction st pauls cathedral!

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Chris G | 23 June 2008 - 2:52pm

Where had they come from,

Tottenham Court Road?

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Vulpes Vulpes | 23 June 2008 - 3:13pm

A group of us toured Alsace

A group of us toured Alsace by sat nav recently and although it got us everywhere we needed to be, we often seemed to be taking extremely circuitous routes. Our suspicions were borne out when it told our driver to take a left and leave an A road (or whatever the French call them) and drive west for a bit, then take a right and drive north for a bit, then take another right and drive east for a bit which bought us back onto the same A road, just a bit further up. How we laughed!

I usually rely on point to point routes printed out from the AA or Multi Map.

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Andy Lynes | 23 June 2008 - 5:31pm

Garmin Nuvi with European maps.

Small so fits into pocket (essential on hols). Good bracket for the car and loud enough. Have seen it for less than £130. Has a pedistrian mode so is useful for finding where you are when you hit a foriegn city and park in the only space you can find and have completely lost track of where you are.

But make sure you have the address right in Europe - postcodes seem to be a little vague (esp in Spain).

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Leedsboy | 23 June 2008 - 6:38pm

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Bloody things. We'd sell them but for the fact that they are invariably found online for the trade price.
Fact 1. You will spend more time looking at it & marvelling that it is accurately showing you where you are now, than the way that it will get you to a location.
Fact 2. You will never ever beat it's ETA, no matter how you try. It is always right. Conversely, when stuck on the 'Route Du Soleil' in four steaming lanes of stationary Peugeots with mattresses and bikes tied to their roofs it is such fun to see how much longer the journey is now going to take you.
Fact 3. It will always drone on with superfluous instructions when you are listening to the good bit in a song.
Fact 4. You will tell it to shut up quite often and still manage to argue with your wife because she should've bloody checked the map as well to see if the thing is right.
Fact 5. The cackhanded mounting device will take all the glovebox space when you park up. It will also be impossible to remove the suction pad from the screen to do this.
Tom Tom is probably best choice. Comments about customer service are right. Buy & download the French maps onto a big enough memory card long before you leave and switch the maps to France. Or get Fraser to do it. Losing your temper with their 'help' staff when you're driving onto the ferry at Dover is not a good start. Believe me.
You should definitely get one, but check the maps first as a mental post-it note. It can give you an unnecessary bum steer, particularly on unfamiliar territory. Lastly, watch that technology doesn't hijack your innate common sense. Mine told me to turn left out of an unfamiliar rural French service area with an obscured exit. So I did, (without remembering that I had to cross the lane first before turning left), straight into oncoming traffic. If I'd been using a map I would never have done it.
Halfords is apparently one of the few retailers making healthy profits at the moment, due to increasing sales of car mounted bike racks, allegedly.

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Paul | 23 June 2008 - 7:39pm

Technology Bah..

I quite like TomTom but a uptodate map is much more reliable and the road signs in France are quite easy to follow.
I bought one of those DVDs with a hard disc for recording and indeed making copies on other DVDs, cost a pretty penny. Still have yet to record anything on it, never read the instructions but it´s nice to know I have the option.

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