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THE WIRE: Should our Grand Bunk Railroad continue?

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As you no doubt know, THE WIRE is finally getting its terrestrial debut on BBC2 next month. Our question to you is a simple one: do you want more Wire in 'The Word' or have you had quite enough for now, thanks all the same?

Let us know and we'll abide by the Massive's verdict.

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More!

I've only just got into it and missed all the earlier articles

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Chimney Singing... | 13 March 2009 - 6:01pm

could'nt agree

more

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the mvps | 13 March 2009 - 6:12pm

I think it's fine as long as

I think it's fine as long as you don't spoil too much for those who haven't seen all of it yet (especially as many new people will start watching via BBC2).

I've only seen the first season. Giving it a bit of a break as I know there's only a finite number of episodes for me to watch.

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TIAL | 13 March 2009 - 6:01pm

Please, please, no...

I've never watched it, and I'm so sick of hearing about it that now I never want to, despite being smack in the middle of its target demographic.

But if you belt up about it for a while I might just recover my appetite sufficiently to watch it on a normal person's channel.

Thanks...

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ageing hipster | 13 March 2009 - 6:05pm

Please, please, PLEASE, No!!

I concur with ageing hipster completely. I am a Word subscriber, similarly target demographic, and have never watched and have no intention of watching The Wire. In any case I don't think it's right that a publication should give so many column inches to a single telly program. If you were constantly on about Bob Dylan, wouldn't that be just as annoying to non-Dylan fans. Oh, wait a minute...

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NeilJSmith | 13 March 2009 - 6:13pm

Word wire

I think there is a common misconception that the Word was first on the case re this fine programe. Actually, the Guardian was pretty much the first on the scene and have raved about it from the outset, particularly Charlie Brooker. Watch it, dont watch it, it is your choice but it really is the best thing ever seen on TV.

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woodface | 13 March 2009 - 8:04pm

Not fussed!

It's probably very good and all that but I've never watched a single episode of The Wire, it's just not my bag. But do carry on writing about it, I'll just skip to the next page!

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Sue Keogh | 13 March 2009 - 6:05pm

oh for heaven's sake...

...Keogh. Get with the programme. So to speak...

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MarkHagen | 13 March 2009 - 6:11pm

More

Has to be more. The exposure on the BBC is only going to add to the interest. A feature on HBO is also an idea.

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uncletupelo | 13 March 2009 - 6:05pm

new

Saying as it was your magazine that got me into The Wire, I want more. What's the cartoon on the postfrom. Is it the Simpsons?
By the way you also got me into the Damned United which is excellent and I hav'nt read fiction since the Shining so nice one

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paintyface | 13 March 2009 - 6:08pm

I found it on the Internet.

Someone has Simpson-ified Poot, Bodie etc. It's the only way you know you are part of pop culture nowadays.

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Andrew Harrison | 13 March 2009 - 6:17pm

More

Yes definitely more, I've just watched season 1 and loved it. It was you guys who convinced me to watch it but I'm only new and the articles a few months back didn't mean so much since I didn't know the story then ... but I do now. More more more

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wrayjames | 13 March 2009 - 6:09pm

Unconcerned

My view is that I will probably just turn the page. I am sure I would love it if I had the time or inclination to devote the time necessary, which I don't. It's fine, there is usually still something somewhere of interest lurking between the pages. But, isn't it time for Development Hell to follow up the suggestion posted recently about an intelligent TV magazine. It could include a little peripheral stuff in the same way as Word includes picture and noise in its trajectory.

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Retropath2 | 13 March 2009 - 6:16pm

More

on the creators and actors. Not any more of people telling me how good it is (I know - I have watched it all).

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Leedsboy | 13 March 2009 - 6:16pm

More…

… but I'll have to cut it out and keep it till I've watched series 3-5.

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David Rothon | 13 March 2009 - 6:17pm

More please

Late to The Wire & late to The Word, both are now two of my favourite things (she sang)

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frinck | 13 March 2009 - 6:26pm

i like The Wire; i think it's really good

but enough already. It's still only a feckin' television programme. And I prefer The Sopranos.

There, i've said it...

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ivan | 13 March 2009 - 6:32pm

Please, no more...

the word is 'overkill'. I've never seen The Wire, but I have read so much about the series that I'm almost fed up with it to the point that I don't want to watch it when it comes to BBC2.

Same goes for Spotify and Twitter. Less is more.

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Patrick Crowther | 13 March 2009 - 6:35pm

Sorry Patrick .....

But I had to giggle at the concept of the current pound-for-pound Word All-Comers Posting Champion actually typing the words "Less is more" !

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Hot Cider | 13 March 2009 - 8:55pm

Errr... yes, you do have a point!

But that was one blog, really... and I was encouraged to keep it going!

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Patrick Crowther | 15 March 2009 - 10:17am

What's going on

with all this 'Tell us what you want ' lark?
Are you having a crisis of confidence?
I think most Wordies are of the opinion that you have done alright without our input so far. I think you should carry on making the decisions for us. A committee of hundreds isn't going to help you make the 'right' decision. For everyone you please you will annoy someone else, so *you* take the responsibility and we can at least have the same target to moan at, or praise.

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ChaosandMorphine | 13 March 2009 - 6:35pm

We've gone all Web 2.0

We're crowdsourcing, surfing the hive-tide, shaking the low-hanging tree and boiling the ocean. And of course we reserve the right to ignore everyone anyway.

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Andrew Harrison | 13 March 2009 - 6:49pm

well stop it.

we know eff all about owt.

ok... luke haines, cathal coughlan, 100 bullets, david peace, paul grist, the thin man, charlie brooker, the drift era scott walker and susan sarandon please.

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badartdog | 13 March 2009 - 7:05pm

*clears throat*

Done, sort-of done, not done, done, who?, not done, done, NOT DOING ON GROUNDS OF CAREER SUICIDE, chance would be a fine thing.

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Andrew Harrison | 13 March 2009 - 7:13pm

did you say who to Paul Grist -

Andrew 'Mr Comics' Harrison? Sheesh. Check out the Kane series - 34th precinct, police procedural tales - better than the Wire.
Which issue did you do C Coughlan in - or are you referring to the Irish article in the issue I'll buy tomorrow?

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badartdog | 13 March 2009 - 7:18pm

100 Bullets

Yes please!

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AgentGraves | 13 March 2009 - 11:11pm

To paraphrase Sam I Am,

Try it, try it!

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steve rainbow | 13 March 2009 - 6:36pm

I've Done All Five Series

And still I want more. A-Z of who's who, what other things the main actors have been in, ten greatest bits of dialogue, history of the theme tune, where are they all now, Wire guide to Baltimore, all that stuff. Less David Simon, more Prop Joe. My wife had lunch next to McNulty by the way, just a few weeks back in Covent Garden. Shockingly, he had the veggie option.

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barneytabasco | 13 March 2009 - 6:53pm

I would agree with all of the above

except the McNulty anecdote obviously.
The Wire Miscellany would be a good start...

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Salty | 13 March 2009 - 9:46pm

Yes More please

I watched the first 3 episodes of the wire on irish channel tg4 but couldn't get into it, i tried, believe me, i tried! How many episodes should it take the average word reader? More articles in Word might convince me to try again. I've even received David Simon's book Homicide for xmas, to tackle it from that angle. Maybe that will do the trick..... Feel like I'm outside one great big LOOP here........

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niakav | 13 March 2009 - 6:57pm

you need subtitles

the irony of a show like The Wire being shown on TG4, as Bearla, and you still not being able to understand it makes me giggle a smidgin, actually...

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ivan | 13 March 2009 - 7:00pm

More please, sir

If readers don't like it, can't they just skip it, like I do when you rattle on about Richard Thompson, John Martyn, Prog or whatever?

You can't please all of the people all of the time. Or something.

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Red Umpire | 13 March 2009 - 6:58pm

I concur.

I'm really not into folk music, but I don't mind coverage of it in Word: I just move on to the next article.

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Auntie Beryl | 13 March 2009 - 7:30pm

More Wire?

Noooooooooooooooooo! (thanks)

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John_Innes | 13 March 2009 - 6:58pm

I loved The Wire

But I find some sections of the media's obsession with it a bit dubious. You don't want to turn into The Guardian do you?

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Danny | 13 March 2009 - 8:33pm

Love it, seen it, enjoyed it

But enough already.

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Five-Centres | 13 March 2009 - 8:38pm

is there anything else

that needs to be written about it ?

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vgom | 13 March 2009 - 8:39pm

More

I could take a few more articles.

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KDH | 13 March 2009 - 8:51pm

More please

I'd like to see some interviews with various actors as the appear at the various stages of the story.
BTW, John Doman (Rawls) is appearing in Damages and Sonja Sohn (Kima) showed up in Brothers And Sisters.

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Carl Parker | 13 March 2009 - 9:07pm

& Tristan Wilds, who played Michael Lee

Is in 90210.
Or so I hear.

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ChaosandMorphine | 13 March 2009 - 11:42pm

More!!

Ignore these delightfully quirky types who "just cant find the time" to watch a programme almost universally agreed to be amongst the finest pieces of entertainment ever made. Thats their problem not ours.

I don't see why the rest of us should be denied coverage of something we love by a people who refuse to watch something in order to denote their loveable individuality.

Incidentally, ideally The Word would be a, probably 700 page, repository for the best writing about music,books,film and television - I seem to remember early editions attempting to head in that direction - but I accept itjust has to be the best music magazine. That shouldn't stop it from covering items of genuine cultural significance from non music genres.

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goatboyuk69 | 13 March 2009 - 9:23pm

This has turned into a fetish

I've been to Baltimore I don't need to relive it through the wonders of TV. It's the only place in the world I left a bank because I thought I was going to be mugged inside. There seemed to be individuals hanging around watching the queue, listening to the transactions (in my mind) picking their mark.

If you want to do something that is Wire related do an in-depth interview with Richard Price covering his whole career. As a film/TV writer he's seen and done it all. He's a great character and very amusing.

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Cookieboy | 13 March 2009 - 9:24pm

Entertaining Place

isn't it? We spent a week there 'en famille' in the summer of 2007 - as I distantly recall, this had something to do with visiting Gettysburg to help my daughter with her History O level. Anyway, took a wrong turn coming home one evening and had to circle round the freeway and re-enter Baltimore from the west. Most nervous 2-mile drive ever (I'm sure I don't need to describe it). Only plus points were:

cops everywhere - only time I've actually seen someone 'assume the position' over the side of a black-and-white;

I was driving the biggest, blackest, baddest, tinted-windowed-est SUV ever (thanks, Enterprise) - probably looked like we were returning from a CIA team-building day.

Liked the Inner Harbor, though if rather touristy - city of contrasts, etc ...

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Kevin Woolard | 16 March 2009 - 1:29am

Yeah it's entertaining enough

I've been to plenty of worse places. I was there for one week in 1997. The best thing about it is Washington D.C. is only 40 miles away. I spent my days in D.C. going to the Smithsonian etc and then returning to watch the Orioles play baseball at night.

I remember being greatly impressed by the Aquarium. They had these little fellas from the bottom of the ocean that had headlights! Headlights I tell you!

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Cookieboy | 16 March 2009 - 8:12am

I thought it was rather nice

There are some lovely parts, and places like Fell's Point are good for restaurants etc. I didn't feel vaguely threatened anywhere, but there are some dodgy people about it must be said.

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Five-Centres | 16 March 2009 - 1:56pm

More, please

just need to watch for spoilers - I've now watched it all but I was FURIOUS that the Guardian had a spoiler about season 5 in the middle of a "Year In Review" article with no warning!!

To avoid anyone else being upset, that is as close as I will go to identifying the spoiler!!

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el hombre malo | 13 March 2009 - 9:30pm

Same here...

I was just about to start series 5, and was so angry I threw the whole paper away without reading it. I know, what a firebrand.

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scantregard | 25 March 2009 - 4:29pm

Carry on, please

Some things are worth going on about. Besides, I started watching because of the article in the magazine 18 months back or so.

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Lucas Hare | 13 March 2009 - 9:53pm

Seems Appropriate

Seeing as it's about to be shown on "council telly".

But please I'm begging you not Red Riding. All a bit Brookside really, isn't it?

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Resting Place | 13 March 2009 - 11:45pm

Couldn't..

get into Six Feet Under or the one about the White House but I'm genuinely grateful for the pressure exerted to have a go at The Wire. When I finally gave in it was a revelation. It really is the best thing TV ever gave us. Have a go. Go on..

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Prestonia | 13 March 2009 - 11:47pm

leave it out

I don't understand why this question should be asked. Surely, surely, surely, everyone who reads the magazine who would ever go out and try it has gone out and tried it already. Plus, it's getting coverage everywhere else.

Very little mention of Brotherhood, though. Get it sorted.

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Jonah | 13 March 2009 - 11:57pm

Brotherhood

I want to like it (and believe me I've tried - I'm a couple of episodes into series two) but find it the bleakest, most miserable TV I've ever watched. There are no sympathetic characters (maybe Declan Giggs at a push), no humour, and nothing good ever happens. In the end I find the whole thing so one-dimensionally cheerless that it's impossible to like.

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Fraser Lewry | 15 March 2009 - 5:25pm

Watched it and thought it was great...

... but so was The Sopranos,

so was Six Feet Under,

so is Mad Men.

Why this singular fascination with The WIRE by The WORD when the above are, at least, as good?

But getting back to the question: yeah, write about it as I'm sure I'll read it.

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Nicodemus | 14 March 2009 - 1:48am

Finally got round

to watching The Wire. Had to see what all the fuss was about......... and yes I agree it's very good. However as Nicodemus points out so are many other series. I loved Six Feet Under. Best thing ever on TV??... not sure. Keep writing about it......yes please.

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Fear Manach | 14 March 2009 - 8:43am

No, no, no, no......please....

You're in danger of becoming a cliched obsession.

I've watched it, tried to "get" the fuss - but can't. Above average US police drama, but in terms of depth, storyline, dialogue, characterisation and just, well, good acting - it really, really doesn't come close to The Sopranos.

More Sopranos - less Wire.

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Six Dog | 14 March 2009 - 10:08am

More

aight.

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busker_du | 14 March 2009 - 11:24am

Less, please

And more about quality British TV drama (Red Riding is just as good as a lot of the HBO stuff).

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 14 March 2009 - 8:11pm

Call me old fashioned but...

...I find Martin Clunes' gentle/mildly spiky Cornish comedy drama 'Doc Martin' just about the only thing worth watching on TV these days (whenever it's on, obviously, which it isn't just now, but I believe a new series is filming soon). I'm not drawn to American dramas personally, but the righteous horde of media people falling over themselves to tell everyone else how great this 'Wire' thing is - in an almost hectoring, get-with-the-programme-or-you're-a-square-matey sort of way - has closed the door on it for me. I've never watched it, I never will and I happily turn the page/ignore the reference in Word whenever it appears. It reminds me of the way everyone (led by, er, David Hepworth again, as I recall) was banging on about Broooce 'Boss of Bombast' Springsteen in the mid '80s. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but I've felt perfectly happy to date in buying not one of his records. That said, if it takes sticking Broooce or somebody associated with 'the Wire' on the cover every so often in order to shift the necessary units and keep the good ship Word - quirky, delightful and, clearly, as broad a church as we're always told the Anglican one is - afloat, that's fine by me. Mark'n'Dave's instincts have served us all well thus far.

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Colin H | 15 March 2009 - 12:41am

Time to move on I say...

Watched it, loved it, but not much for The Word to add really.

Yes it's the best TV show I've ever seen. Yes it's better than any film I know. But I'd rather Word devoted that space to alerting me to other great TV shows. 30 Rock (Season 3) must be the best show on TV right now, give or take Mad Men. Come on, tell us something we don't know. And for those that want more Wire writing just go to http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/

His episode reviews for Seasons 1, 4 and 5 are particularly good.

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Paul Chandler | 15 March 2009 - 1:25am

The Wire

I say keep it coming... however, I would like to see a big feature on Battlestar Galactica, now it's coming to an end.

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Duffy72 | 15 March 2009 - 2:51pm

More - but with Spoiler Warnings

I've seen them all, but a couple of spoilers I happened upon elsewhere got on my nerves whilst I was mid-way. Happy to read more, but make sure there are warnings for those who don't know what's coming.

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kidpresentable | 15 March 2009 - 10:12pm

Its a Man Thing

I love the Wire, my son (17)loves it. My wife can not abide it. Too boring, too slow, can't tell what their saying. Where do you go from there? Most of the cast are men, most of the cast are also not very nice. Is this what turns women off it? She will quite happily watch Red Riding which is far more grim.

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N2Peach | 16 March 2009 - 12:54pm

Counter argument

Me and the GLW watched every single episode of The Wire together. (I was the bigger fan though. She's more of a CSI/House kind of girl.)

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Paul Chandler | 17 March 2009 - 7:27pm

That reminds me

I must get back my Series 5 DVDs from that female work colleague.

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Lucas Hare | 16 March 2009 - 1:38pm

Funny

I sometimes think that people who like the Wire have no soul.

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Retropath2 | 16 March 2009 - 1:52pm

Tou

And, if you will, che.

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Lucas Hare | 16 March 2009 - 1:53pm

Thanks for watching!

I was dreading anyone else getting there ahead of you and going beserk!

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Retropath2 | 16 March 2009 - 4:22pm

More, but...

what else is there to say? Mr H himself first did what is still the definitive overview of the show, followed by what is still the definitive UK David Simon interview; the Guardian recently started another in-depth ep-by-ep analysis; even meaningful exploration of the sociopolitical issues raised is very tricky without spoilers; the Web is teeming with blogs and interviews and stuff (right down to photo reportages of the breaking down of the set), while even one of our very own has been-'n-done-'n'-published a tour of the locations, with Prop Joe as his guide, no less.

So what's left? Not much occurs to me, but if you can find something that makes you say "Dat'll work", why not?

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Archie Valparaiso | 16 March 2009 - 2:42pm

What is

This Wire thing? Should I have heard of it?

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Thomas the Rhymer | 16 March 2009 - 2:23pm

More please sir

Definitely more. I'm only a few episodes into series 1, and still have the relevant Word podcast saved to finally listen to once I've got through the whole series.

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CertainNick | 17 March 2009 - 4:21am

I don't mind the articles being there, but....

...I do buy the magazine first and foremost for the music related content, rather than the interviews with writers of television programmes etc.

There are very frequently excellent and interesting sections of the magazine which have no immediate musical reference (Nick Cohen's interview and the 'Best Of Now' being this months examples)but the front of the mag does say, "Music Magazine Of The Year", not "Television".

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rhubarb69 | 17 March 2009 - 10:50am

Yes please, more Wire. I've

Yes please, more Wire. I've only been watching since xmas and am currenly near end of Season 2 so i've got plenty more to watch. I love it!

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Shankly | 17 March 2009 - 12:51pm

The Wire's all very well but...

Battlestar Galactica needs some Word time.

Possibly the best TV ever...

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popdoc | 19 March 2009 - 5:01pm

A consensus developing?

This article in today's Guardian G2 makes it pretty clear that Richard Vine agrees with you, popdoc.

(NB. There are spoilers in the character portraits at the end of the piece, but they're very clearly sign-posted and not part of the main article.)

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Red Umpire | 19 March 2009 - 8:28pm

Wait until I've watched a few episodes...

... then I'll give my verdict.

The real test is if I am out for the night and have to record the latest episode. Watched about 5 episodes of Heroes, had to go to a gig - so taped an episode - but never felt the need to watch it. As a result, I lost all interest in the show.

Still can't imagine TV gets any better than The West Wing.

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Reno Dakota | 21 March 2009 - 10:31pm

Take my word for it

Lots of TV is better than The West Wing. And I say that as an admirer.

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Lucas Hare | 22 March 2009 - 12:33am
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