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The Stranglers? Were they any good?
Posted by bowleyfields on 21 September 2011 - 9:33pm.
The Stranglers. Doors-copying pub rock bores or edgy punks with pop sensibilities? Jet Black is 73. They had 23 Top 40 singles and 17 Top 40 albums. But were they any good? What is their place in the punk pantheon?
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I like only
Golden brown, always the sun and la folie. I didn't see much musical merit in much else . Peaches makes me feel unwell.
5 Minutes is great
the rest I can live without.
And perhaps one of our Word Birds can explain how to get out of her... very sensitive lady bit?
To this day I'm confused as hell by that line.
"Clitares" is a
French word for bathing costume. Easy to confuse it with a ladies' shagnubbin though...
Nice 'N' Sleazy
Something Better Change
And I quite liked their cover of
Walk On By
First album was good.
Lost interest after that.
One of the few bands
where the Greatest Hits CD really is enough. IMHO.
Great, great band. Seriously. They were superb....
.....the 70's albums are all great. That high in the mix "barracuda" bass sound. The 80's were more poppy but still some decent albums, La Folie and Aural Sculpture in particular.
The cover of Walk on By is just one of the best cover versions.
Not everyone loved them, not politically correct but they are still one of the British bands of the 70's/80's.
The "Guildford" Stranglers
Full disclosure: Burnel went to my school so I feel some vestige of loyalty.
I saw them three times at ver Civic Hall. Saw Hugh Cornwell at Chiddingfold.
Fanfuckingtastic live. I had a great time.
They still get a lot of airplay at Casa Referee. Do they need to be in the pantheon of punk and just be a good band to listen to? 96 teardrops, bearcage, Duchess...
I lived in Chiddingfold for a while
I was told that when the Stranglers had a squat there they were "nice boys really. No trouble."
the first time I ever
bought beer for myself was at Chiddingfold bonfire when I was about 13. Later I was sick in a hedge.
Golden Brown
was my first single. I loved it, and still do. I think all eight-year-olds should listen to songs about heroin.
At school we used to sing "Golden brown / Texture like shit"
Love the guitar solo on Walk On By as well.
Saw them live once...
.. was after Hugh Cornwall left - but Jet Black was still around - I hated them.
They did make some half decent tracks, I can listen to most of those quoted above ^
Historically I'm not sure they have made enough ripples to mean that they are mentioned anywhere other than the 2025 version of The Word Blog
Greatest hits is enough I think
but best song is (Get A) Grip (On Yourself). Think that's how it is written. Sounds a bit like Roxy Music.
Rattus Norvegicus (IV)...
...is absolutely essential listening and quite brilliant, capturing a band at their peak. Unfortunately it was their first album ! (Plenty of other instances where that happens, though)
That album AND a greatest hits would do it though, but they deserve their place in history for Rattus alone, in my view.
I have a few of their albums
I have a few of their albums and they were one of the better 'punk type' bands.
Belting, belting hard-pop singles band.
Great sound, great immage, great attitude, great players.
Nail,
Head!
They had one or two good musicians in the band ..
.. and some absolute jerks who's only tendency was to destroy everything. Golden Brown is probably their high point.
One of my favourite bands...
Black & White is my favourite - a mean powerful album, totally original and with the greatest bass sound ever committed to vinyl...
Duchess
is a mighty pop single.
Love The Stranglers
great sound, especially that bass and some cracking pop singles (bit of an influence on my go to band The Prisoners too). My favourite track is from the first album, the wonderful London Lady, one of my favourite tracks from the punk era by anybody.
"With a sausage, have you ever been to Liverpool!?!?"
Rattus
Norvegicus, what a great album and still recall a field trip singing Peaches very badly and loudly in the minibus heading up to Snowdonia. Went to see them a few years back at the roundhouse and they still rocked the house. Yes, they were good.
Rattus
was a great album. Still love it. There are some gems later but that's the only album I like all of.
Their association with Punk was opportunistic on their part and completely misplaced musically, IMO.
Fresh Meat
Just was watching this on Channel 4, and the intro to No More Heroes came on just as somebody asked Jack Whitehall to 'hump me with your mega cock'.
That's The Stranglers in 2011 for you.
They were
20 times better than the Doors, that's for sure. And still doing the business live: http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/the-stranglers
No they weren't
The Doors (probably THE Marmite band) made a major impact with a very individual sound in the late 60's.
The Stranglers' impact came in the late 70's. The world had changed massively in 10 years.
The Doors contributed significantly to the soundtrack of the Vietnam War generation. The Stranglers, though not a punk band, had an aggressive attitude the allowed their individual sound to fit in perfectly with their era.
I find it a bit sad that The Doors get dismissed because their singer was a complete arsehole when he was drunk.
They both made great music...and some not so great.
The trouble with Jim Morrison
being a complete arsehole when he was drunk was that he was MOSTLY drunk or otherwise out of it during his short career. A very clever guy but an utter fool towards his talent.
The best Stranglers album
is ' The Best of The Stranglers'
Some good singles, and I like some of his bass lines but they're no more a punk band than The Boomtown Rats.
The perfect Stranglers mini LP
European Female
Strange Little Girl
Always the Sun
Skin Deep
Duchess
No More Heroes
Golden Brown is a great song but I have heard it enough times now. I don't need to hear it again.
Great live, some great singles, OK lps
UK is the only place on earth that thinks proclaiming 'they're not punk' is some sort of cruel,brusque dismissal. Can't imagine any of the band giving a toss what micro-genre of music someone thinks they qualify as, or if they were young/incompetent/socialist enough.
As mentioned above
it was the bass all the way. That's what I loved about the Stranglers. They looked like punks but they played really well and for me that fat bass sound on Peaches, Walk On By and Nice 'n' Sleazy was the main selling point.
I bought all their great early singles but these days a best of CD seems like all you need.
Funnily enough when Golden Brown appeared I thought it was a bit limp and insipid. I even thought it was a different band for a while.
And of course
Hugh Cornwell was once in a band with some guy called Richard Thompson. Has anyone any idea what happened to him? Is he any good?
... and here they are
Richard Thompson's first band, Emil and the Detectives, in 1964. Cornwell on left, Thompson on right.
From Beesweb http://richardthompson-music.com/catch_of_the_day.asp?id=1183
I liked them (not loved)
I liked them (not loved) Plenty of good singles, some great musicianship (always rated the drummer)and a sound of there own.. that already makes em head and shoulders above most drivel.. Bought Peaches with my pocket money.. great to hear it again in Sexy Beast. I saw Hugh do a solo spot in my local theatre about 5 years back in front of 7 people.. He really gave it his all.. total respect.
Every time
I go to Cyprus I ensure I have 'Peaches' on the iPod.
Then on one sweltering day I will put on my Speedos lube myself up with factor 0 oil and lie on a sunbed by the pool and listen to it and pretend I'm Ray Winstone in Sexy Beast.
Nb. All true except the Speedos bit, no one needs to see that.
Very Good
Still good live too, I saw them at Glastonbury last year.
Not having been around at the time, I don't really think of them as punk. Punk seems like a reductive term when you look at the range across The Stranglers more well known songs.
Some thoughts which spring to my mind
- They were/are the perfect band for 13 year old boys - a synthesis of snotty attitude, sing-along tunes, inventive & vaguely shocking lyrics, intellectual pretensions & political incorrectness. Great stuff.
- Since when was being "groundbreaking" a necessary condition for admiring a band? I don't like listening to The Doors, I do like listening to the Stranglers, I don't care who sounds like whom and who got there first.
Oh, and I really enjoy No More Heroes (the album) and MenInBlack, despite what many others say.
I saw them many times...
...in their heyday at Glasgow Apollo, when I was 13-16 or so. They were incredibly exciting to watch. The first four or five LPs each have touches of greatness - Rattus and Heroes being the weaker in my opinion. Black & White and The Raven are much better. La Folie has its moments and I had a soft spot for The Gospel According to Themeninblack, especially given its fraught birth, but they really dropped off a cliff after that.
I had a raven painted on my bedroom wall, subscribed to their Strangled fanzine from the SIS, wore a lot of black and played bass while cocking my leg up here and there. I bought all their solo records but never did find a copy of JJ Burnel's Girl from the Snow Country withdrawn solo single - the ultimate Stranglers rarity. I even read the Jet Black and Hugh Cornwell books in the 80s and had my photograph taken outside the Pompidou Centre on my first trip to Paris. A mate of mine, Ricky McMillan, who lived a few doors away, always managed to get on stage during the Apollo gigs, dancing around being nodded at by the band. He was more than once grabbed by the Apollo's legendarily brutal bouncers, whereupon JJ put down his bass and got in to a fist fight with said bow-tied, velvet-jacketed security. What a thrill.
I went to their first post-Cornwell gig, at Edinburgh Venue, a relatively tiny venue of around 300 capacity. They'd recruited a lead singer and John Ellis, ex-Vibrators guitarist. Oh dear. Any residual teenage love was extinguished with the singer's ghastly faux-lascivious posturing. Quite awful.
Great post!
If you haven't already check out the new line-up and their brilliant album "Suite XVI" - no more preening useless singer or unecessary rhytyhm guitar. Seriously "back on form", don't even miss Hugh anymore...
End of my lunch hour
so I'll be brief - Lenny has the right answer.
"Just goin' for a stroll in the trees..."
Well..
..I still love them. The first 4 albums for me but especially Black and White which has remained in my Top Ten lists since its release. They had tunes and image and power AND the best bass sound as many have noted. Could even do "poppy" (Always the Sun was a corker).
Finally saw them Live in march of this year in Leeds (Thanks Retro man) and they were great even if I was slightly over-refreshed.
5 Minutes is the most violent sounding song ever.
Double post
again. Bum.
5 Minutes
It's brilliant, isn't it? Pure aggression in musical form. I'm the wimpiest, least violent bloke imaginable and it always makes me feel like punching someone.
(Not that I actually ever do)
One of the best British records ever made
And I promise to stop punching you as well
The title track of
"The Raven"
is
my
favourite.
Mentioned in dispatches:
Duchess
Golden Brown
Hanging Around
Nuclear Device
Stuart Pearce knows!
While he played for West Ham around 99, i remember Stuart Pearce waiting for the ball to be thrown back into play. A voice from the crowd suddenly shouted "Stranglers or Pistols Stu?" Pearce gave a look reserved normally for Argentinian wingers as he almost spat out "Stranglers!" as he threw the ball back into play. Being a West Ham defender he was called into immediate action before I could query Stiff Little Fingers' place in his league table
Get A Grip
An extraordinary powerful band and what a debut album Rattus is. Every track a winner, they were dark, sinister, creative, inventive and explosive. There is nothing conventional about the Stranglers, they pushed musical boundaries with Black & White and followed it up with a masterpiece in The Raven. Look at their creative output from 1977-1981 7 albums including Live X Cert. One of the most interesting and successful British bands ever, completely under rated and deserving of far more recognition than they receive. To much controversy? Sure, they will probably admit to that themselves, did they polarise the music press and their contemporaries? Yep, and i don't think they cared less what the press said about them at the time! Finally the lack of critical acceptance got to Hugh Cornwell, i think he craved success in the USA. I have no doubt Hugh left due to his obsession with cracking America, The Stranglers mid 80's music became tedious, almost mainstream, they lost their edge, but were the Stranglers any good? Yes they bloody well are!
Classics
Grip
Hanging Around
Peaches
Down In The Sewer
No More Heroes
Straighten Out
Nice N Sleazy
Toiler On The Sea
The Raven
Baroque Bordello
etc
Played the North American 'Raven' to death
Over here, 'The Raven' was released as 'Stranglers IV' with a different cover and superior track listing. Plus a bonus 45 with Choosy Susie, Straighten out, White room, and JJ's Do the European. That disc was the soundtrack for countless boozy nights.