The secret artist/band that we are reluctant to admit to

I imagine, like me most people who subscribe to Word or write on here like to think that they have a pretty good taste in music.

However, we all probably have some artist/band that we know have no credibiity but we like them anyway.

For every Fall, Clash, Half Man Half Biscuit, or PJ Harvey cd I have bought, I have to confess to buying all of Iron Maidens cds and still listening to them

Don't mention it when I discuss music with other people obviously but happy to confess here.

Let the confessions begin.....

If I got rid of everything

by bands with no 'cred' I'd probably have to chuck over half the things I listen to.

Bollocks to cred and bollocks to being embarrased about it either.

Fraser M | 17 October 2008 - 11:32am

Hallelujah to that!

'Credibility' depends on who you're talking to. There are plenty of people who would regard Iron Maiden as a very credible band and PJ Harvey as an untalented indie whinger. Their opinion is no more or less valid than anyone elses.

Personally, I like what I like based on the music - the perceived 'credibility' or 'coolness' of an artist makes not one jot of difference to me.

If, of course, you take an 'NME-centric' view of the world then I guess there's an ever-changing canon of bands that it's ok to like but then it was ever thus. Who can forget the NME assertion of the early 80's that any band found guilty of being "rockist" were deemed not worthy of serious attention.

Remember, the Clash were regarded as seriously non-credible in the early 80s - around the time that the 'tastemakers' were raving about "pure pop" such as Haircut One Hundred, ABC and the UK funk crew - Imagination, Lynx, Freeez etc etc (I still think Pelican West is a cracking album, by ther way)

As we used to say... "It's all about the music, maaaaaaaaaaan"

stimpy | 17 October 2008 - 11:56am

Dandy Highwayman

I'm inclined to say that Iron Maiden is a very credible band if only to reduce the number of uncredible cd's in my collection by a fair amount, but I can have no real defence for the collected works of Adam Ant being in there.

David Owen | 17 October 2008 - 11:35am

Adam Ant - fair play!

I'll stick to FraserM's line that I've no personal truck with the notions of "cred" or "uncred", but I do love The Carpenters in a completely unironic manner, that's probably the sort of thing we're after here...

And I've said it before and I'll say it again now, has there ever been a more utterly bonkers sound go genuinely mainstream than Adam Ant's? Brilliant.

PS Check out Marco's new-ish band The Wolfmen, they've some good tracks I've been enjoying lately.

Metal Mickey | 17 October 2008 - 11:53am

I bought Kings Of The Wild Frontier...

...only a few weeks ago. It's hard to believe that it was once mainstream chart fodder when you compare it to the anodyne pap that ver kidz buy today.

stimpy | 17 October 2008 - 11:59am

Innovative, Bold and Exciting

What good records always should be. Kings of the Wild Frontier was the first album I ever bought at aged 11 and as such, still holds they key to my heart. Bought the remastered CD last year and was pretty amazed by how strong and fresh it still sounds (not something that could be said unfortunately for Prince Charming).

A vote here for Ant and Pirroni to adorn the cover of Word!

Antmusic for Sexpeople.

John Waite | 17 October 2008 - 12:15pm

Ri - di - cule

is nothing to be scared of.

Vulpes Vulpes | 17 October 2008 - 11:59am

Superstar

Me too. My girlfriend said she'd chuck me if I ever played her 'Rainy Days and Mondays' again so it remains my secret. I'll defend them to the death though. Karen had one of the finest voices ever in my opinion.

marmiteboy | 17 October 2008 - 7:16pm

Extreme

Surely one of the most horrible bands in recent years - from "More than words" to their heavy metal funk workouts - trouble is, to suit a mood, I really like it! "If you don't like what you see here - get the funk out". Oh dear. Nurse! Where's me Townes van Zandt albums.

Mind you I'm not coy in admitting it.

Twangothan | 17 October 2008 - 11:55am

I never need to hear More Than Words again in my life

but this, on the other hand, kicks ass


simonperrins | 17 October 2008 - 8:25pm

Exactly!

They sort of get that Zep funky heavyness. (**runs for cover**)

Twangothan | 17 October 2008 - 10:07pm

More than words

Medical satirists 'Amateur Transplants' have a tune called 'Northern Birds' which uses the 'More Than Words' tune...I can guarantee you will never listen to Extreme in the same light again...

Paul Waring | 17 October 2008 - 8:58pm

I have...

...all the Spice Girls' singles (apart from the odd CD2 or so - and the abomination they released for Children in Need last year, obviously).

Paolo Meccano | 17 October 2008 - 12:07pm

I went to see Spice World in the cinema...

...twice. And really enjoyed it.

Con Coleman | 17 October 2008 - 12:26pm

I saw them live in concert

Twice. And really enjoyed it. And I liked the movie. And I agree with Paolo about the singles, or a least the ones from the first album.

Fraser Lewry | 17 October 2008 - 12:35pm

Sheer Poetry

If memory serves me they claimed Elvis was a Kula Shaker.

Con Coleman | 17 October 2008 - 12:53pm

Jaysus!!

For God's sake man. Enough.

(*ahem* the first single I ever bought was the theme to Star Wars)

Tommy Grant | 17 October 2008 - 12:16pm

Bing Crosby

In complete agreement with Stimpy et al. (Which Stimpy are you, though?)

Since a very good friend of mine introduced me to the utter joy of High Society, I have been an enormous fan of the Old Groaner. His voice is a thing of utter beauty and he stands as one of the most significant musical artistes of this or any other century. The very fact that he was cosy and safe and jolly and sentimental is what makes me love him.

Here's Bing and Frank giving it laldy.


Con Coleman | 17 October 2008 - 12:32pm

I'm the Stimpy...

...who lives with Ren, of course ;-)

stimpy | 17 October 2008 - 1:40pm

Come fry with me, we'll grill some bacon too...

...as Sinatra never quite got round to singing.

Con Coleman | 17 October 2008 - 2:59pm

Can’t bear music snobbery, me.

Michael Parkinson was the worst: “there’s only two types of music – good and bad”. No Michael, there ARE two types – things you like, things you don’t like. No one has the right to tell me that anything I like is “bad”.

When Wonderwall was kicking around all those years ago, my daughter (aged 8) expressed her admiration of it. We could never figure out if she meant the Oasis job or Mike Flower’s interpretation. Truth is – it didn’t matter. Whichever it was, she grooved to it. I like ‘em both. And Ryan Adams’ cover.

I saw a multi-cd collection of Adam and The Ants the other day and thought – that’s probably more than anyone could possibly want. But, for my sins, I’m always happy when Barry Manilow is thrown up by the randomiser. It’s just a shame it always seems to happen when I’m trying to impress someone with my deep-and-meaningfulness…

Stephen Hanley | 17 October 2008 - 12:40pm

Mandy

On the iPod. There. I've admitted it.

Archie Valparaiso | 17 October 2008 - 1:34pm

Perhaps we should do a thread on songs about pets

Scott English wrote Brandy about his dog. He also wrote Hi Ho Silver Lining. Not sure what to make of that. Great song though, both his and Baz’s versions.


Richard Lowe | 17 October 2008 - 1:50pm

Good and bad music

The first time I came across that phrase about good and bad music was reading it as a quote from Miles Davis.
I think I go along with Miles. Do you not accept that there is good and bad literature / painting / poetry / dance etc? So why not bad music?
Saying what you can and cannot like is a different matter which doesn't really overlap with concepts of good and bad.

Carl Parker | 17 October 2008 - 1:52pm

I tend to agree

but the problem is - how is it decided?

Sven | 17 October 2008 - 2:13pm

Miles - what did he know?

You know what Carl? I really don’t agree. Who’s to say if something is bad? Sure, an egg can go bad, but can any painting be bad? Can any literature? Poetry? Dance?

It’s an obvious card to play but I like the attempts at all of the above that my daughters have done more than most of the stuff held in museums, opera houses and libraries.

I’m getting a bit up myself now I know, but only to make a point. What is bad art? That stupid unmade bed? Damn right it is, in my opinion. But if you like it – do I have the right to tell you it’s bad? Don’t think so. How can you measure how good or bad art is? Without a specific way of measuring something, how can you quantify its “goodness” or “badness”? And if you can’t quantify it, you can’t say which bucket it falls into.

Stephen Hanley | 17 October 2008 - 2:25pm

Nothing is relative?

As I understand it you're saying the act of creation is enough. That The Birdie Song, simply through the fact it exists, is the equal of Cosi Fan Tutte and no-one can gainsay this.
This afternoon I was considering buying a DVD of Louis Malle's Au Revoir Les Enfants, which was very competively priced. A film I hold dear, not only because it was one of the first films MrsP and I went to, but it is as it says on the box, one of the greatest films made about childhood. Around the same time Home Alone was released. We went to that as well and both enjoyed it but there is no way anyone can tell me that Home Alone matches Malle's film for it's inherent quality. There is a scale that exists. It can be endlessly debated, but I don't think there can be a denial that it exists. That good art and bad art exists side by side. Its about aesthetics. It's not a quantifiable scale where stars or percentages can be awarded.

Carl Parker | 18 October 2008 - 7:25pm

I think Iron Maiden are better than

The Fall, The Clash, Half Man Half Biscuit AND PJ Harvey...

Rob Fitzpatrick | 17 October 2008 - 1:08pm

which era Maiden though eh?

Di'anno, Dickinson or, er Bayley?

simonperrins | 17 October 2008 - 8:21pm

You may be right Rob

Its just that if u talk to people The Clash are cool and Maiden aren't, juat listened to Killers. Great

steve | 19 October 2008 - 9:18pm

Depends on the people you talk to I expect

What *is* 'cool' anyway?

stimpy | 20 October 2008 - 10:46am

What is cool?

Yule used to be.

Retropath2 | 20 October 2008 - 10:51am

Spell check

You all used to be, sorry.

Retropath2 | 20 October 2008 - 10:53am

Now if The Fall employed...

a hideous, shambling monster with glowing eyes that would occasionally lurch about onstage, they might possibly match the might of the Maiden.

Oh... hold on a minute, they already do... the singer. That's my theory fucked then.

Patrick Crowther | 11 November 2008 - 8:10pm

Well

I think the music of Iron Maiden and PJ Harvey are both crap but who really cares?? This is all part of the same non-argument that came with all the "guilty pleasures" stuff. Really as someone remarked above "it's all about the music maaaan!!"

Bang Em In Bingham | 17 October 2008 - 1:19pm

I went to see M people once.

They were crap.

Retropath2 | 17 October 2008 - 1:20pm

Abba

When I was 12 I was dead against them for "boy" reasons of wanting to be cool. I am completely over that prejudice now despite the wife and two girl children being Mamma Mia obsessed at present (would ahev loved 1% of that business).

Last week I bought their "weird" final album The Vistors (£2.98 amazon)and wadda ya kno it is fantstic. Abba clearly took electro pop on board and had all that relationship ending angst to deal with but still cared about what they were putting out and the end result is genuinely fascinating and darkly wonderful. Even the dated (electro pop) bits are odd-good.

dolly | 17 October 2008 - 2:12pm

Mama Mia! has made more in the UK than the Batman movie

which I find to be quite, quite shocking.

I've been tempted to buy "The Visitors" as I really like those tracks on my 2CD Best Of but I can't escape the feeling I've got all the good tracks already. Does it hang together as a solid album?

LOUDspeaker | 17 October 2008 - 2:30pm

Yes - in a weird way. Buy it now!

And perhaps I can explain the Mamma Mia phenomenon. They are all going several times. All my three have seen it at least three times. Everybody (ie mainly ladies and one or two camp looking gentlemen) gets up and dances and sings along. Its quite uplifting in a dancing round your handbags way.

I dont think there are many Richard Thompson fans at the films, but you never know.

dolly | 17 October 2008 - 3:12pm

I second "The Visitors"

Great album, especially the title track, but skip the awful "Two For The Price Of One." The original vinyl album didn't include "Under Attack" or the wonderful "The Day Before You Came," but I think they're on all the CD editions. I was always an "out" Abba fan, but not ironically and I never considered them as camp, so haven't succumbed to the "Mamma Mia" phenomena... not yet, anyway.

Metal Mickey | 17 October 2008 - 3:25pm

go on

you will love it....

dolly | 17 October 2008 - 4:08pm

It's now in my Amazon basket

for a later purchase.

LOUDspeaker | 17 October 2008 - 3:29pm

Crap

No, they are crap.

Twangothan | 17 October 2008 - 5:05pm

I have every Abba album

loads of rarities, solo albums etc etc. They are pretty much my fave band of recent years overtaking The Byrds somewhere around 2002.

The Cd I've bought that gets me the most ridicule is the one by Celine Dion.

dannyboy3000 | 17 October 2008 - 8:01pm

In the charity shop recently....

....I picked up 2 compilations of Chris De Burgh. "Spark To A Flame" was one, can't remember the title of the other.

I had a couple of his albums in the mid 80's and thought they were fine, but I haven't heard anything of his since then. I was surprised to find that out of the 30 songs or so on the compilations, about 10 of them are very good. There are also some that are listenable(though they won't get ripped)but the majority will never be played by me again.

10/30 would be a very poor result in a maths exam, but 10 keepers off a couple of albums is quite good I think.

bigsteviecook | 17 October 2008 - 3:35pm

I really like De Burgh

I own three Best Ofs and three albums. Some of it's piffle, no doubt about it, but a lot of it is very good. And the really good songs are amazing. I've got a playlist made out of this music, and it's 75 minutes of sublime music that rivals anything else I've got on my iPod.

LOUDspeaker | 20 October 2008 - 9:31am

Roger That

Always had a soft spot for Roger Whitakker's "Durham Town". Lovely song, I like Del Amitri too.

David Wright | 17 October 2008 - 3:55pm

Hey, me too !

Just downloaded it the other week, along with The Last Farewell and The Seekers Carnival is Over and Morningtown Ride. A childhood being forced to listen to Terry Wogan is to blame I fear, and Junior Choice with Ed Stewpot.

None of this represents my usual tastes...

Janice | 20 October 2008 - 12:52pm

That should be Roger

That should be Roger Whittaker!

David Wright | 17 October 2008 - 3:55pm

Here goes.....

The Carpenters, Thompson Twins (just bought the new 2disc reissues of their catalogue), ELO, Yes, Dream Theater, Ultravox,

I could go on...

Futurenoir | 17 October 2008 - 5:04pm

coldplay

i wouldn't tell anyone though. fix you. lovely.
dollar were good too.

ChaileyJem | 17 October 2008 - 5:56pm

Dollar were better than Coldplay

They could sing quite well for starters.

I'll go a lot cheesier than Maiden and admit the full 80s hair metal. Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Poison (!) even Skid Row (!!) are still A-OK by me.

Joe Muggs | 17 October 2008 - 9:09pm

I have a Warrant album...

...and it still rocks like a bastard (a bastard with a poodle haircut, make-up, spandex jeans and a silly-shaped guitar, admittedly)

stimpy | 18 October 2008 - 11:44am

I presume that's not

the Phil Lynott, Gary Moore, Brush Shiels Skid Row but the US rip-off merchants.

Don't know if they're cool or not but Lizzy always Lizzy!

Gramsci | 21 October 2008 - 5:09pm

The trouble with "Good and Bad"..

..is that I think that a lot of what some people think is great, is bloody awful, and vice versa.
Iggy? Can't stand him..talentless chancer.
ELO?..sublime perfectly executed pop/rock. That's my reality, not neccessarily yours, of course.
No-one could give me an example of something that EVERYONE thinks is crap.

shane pacey | 17 October 2008 - 11:45pm

Ooh there must be a few examples of unanimous crapness

I give you :

Jonathan Morris - From Me to You

He was the poetic brother in the sitcom "Bread". Saw him perform it on Pebble Mill, promoted it like hell. Sales? Chart positon? What?

Fly Eddie Fly - Eddie the Eagle

Saw him perform it on Wogan, promoted it like hell. Sales? Chart positon? What?

Gazza's party mix, which was an entire side of his cash-in LP in the early 1990's. Made you want to listen to Stars on 45 for a bit of quality.

If there is an "actually, that was really good!" post about any of these I will throw my trousers out of the window in disgust.

Austin | 18 October 2008 - 10:39am

The thing about these quick cash-ins....

...is that, to get them out quick, they were generally recorded by the cream of session musicians - the guys who can read the dots and nail it first take.

I suspect there were some shit-hot players involved in 'Fly Eddie Fly'

For a good, entertaining collection of anecdotes about life as a top line session player, can I recommend the second half of Mo Foster's book '17 Watts' - available from all good etc etc

Of course these days it's all one bloke and Pro-Tools; and it were all fields round here in my day.

stimpy | 18 October 2008 - 11:41am

I have...

...the Gazza album and the 'party mix' is good (in parts) - granted, the soul medley is performed by pub singer-types, but the Elvis Presley and Gilbert O'Sullivan(!) medleys are by the actual artists and, gloriously, the whole album ends with a rendition of All You Need Is Love performed by Gazza, his sister(!), Kenny Lynch(!!) and Word's friend Danny Baker...

Paolo Meccano | 18 October 2008 - 11:10am

A rotten curates egg

Paolo, as a whole it is still crap, though, isn't it?
Jive Bunny had excellent samples (which weren't crap) but the whole concept stunk up the room. Even the involvement of the great Danny Baker (let alone Kenny Lynch) doesn't rescue this one, I'm afraid.

Austin | 18 October 2008 - 9:22pm

"Red card, Gascoigne..."

I agree - on the whole, it is crap (I only bought it because the NME gave it 0/10).

Paolo Meccano | 19 October 2008 - 12:31pm

2 bands that I love but i don't know anyone that shares

are The Smithereens and The BoDeans. Anyway I confess. And I love most of ELO too. So that's 3.

Springer Bell | 18 October 2008 - 12:33pm

Smithereens

Saw them on the telly and still have a soft spot for them. I was only thinking how good it would be to hear them yesterday.

Fiction Romantic | 23 October 2008 - 9:34pm

I have a Dollar story

Many years ago I worked for a company in the same holdings group that encompassed acrobat records who were Dollars first record label. When their debut single was released all staff members at my company were instructed to go out and each buy 5 copies of the single and claim the money back on expenses. Lo and behold the single became a chart success - not sure how much our actions influenced the chart position but you never know.
My embarassments if you can call them that are the songs from the Andrew Lloyd Webber shows in particular Evita and Cats and also Leo Sayer particularly Orchard Grove.

Steve Turner | 18 October 2008 - 7:56pm

Orchard Road

Steve, you and me buddy! What a great record. It was inspired by Leo wanting to come home to his wife after running off with a teenager. It's got lovely early 80s synth wash & chorus sounds on it. No visual on this one (there's a 'no expense spent' clip from Sayer's Beeb show on the right of the page but the sound's crap, as is his jacket).

Graham Johns | 18 October 2008 - 8:30pm

There are a couple of songs

On his first album (Silverbird), one at the end of each side (that dates it). "The Dancer" and "Why is Everybody Going Home?" Well worth a listen and some superb falsetto and strings. Couldn't find them on youtube though there was someone doing a resonable impression of Leo on the second one.

Tony Fry | 23 October 2008 - 6:58pm

Janet Jackson

Especially Rhythm Nation 1814. There.

Austin | 18 October 2008 - 9:27pm

I have learned to stop worrying and to love...

Julie Andrews.

I'll get me coat.

Doods | 19 October 2008 - 3:17pm

80s Goth

it were all Fields of the Nephilim round my way...

James Blast | 19 October 2008 - 6:40pm

all fields...

...with a war memorial in the middle, around which the two town goths slouched sharing a can of cider.

stimpy | 19 October 2008 - 8:12pm

I loved the goths...

... and I think Sisters Of Mercy were completely taking the piss in a good way.
Still have affection for dodgy 80's heavy metal in all its forms

But my shameful secret is that I paid sixteen of your English pounds to go and see S-Club 7, by myself. Not because nobody wanted to come with me (although that was true enough) but mainly because I had always wanted to watch a popular kids band at a big venue.

Can I say that I had a brilliant time? I was sat between a very nice woman whose kids were three rows ahead (they didn't want to be seen with their mother) and a lovely wee lassie who showed me various dance moves, specifically when to "Reach!" at the correct point. The band put on a show and a half, the only lulls being when they insisted on doing some onstage acting, an ill advised cover of "One Love" (very bad) and when they went to a live TV link to the Brit Awards to get a prize for Don't Stop Movin'. I bounced my way out that that venue as happy as larry at the end, vowing never to see another NME approved indie band ever again.

I didn't keep that vow, nor have I made it to another Pop! show but that's mainly because since then its been all X-Factor nonsense as far as the eye can see, which we all know too much about. S-Club were kind of the last manufactured band that we didn't see actually being manufactured on telly it seems... Oh for the return of the sense of mystery pop bands engendered in years gone by...(sighs)

ganglesprocket | 20 October 2008 - 3:48pm

Have you ever seen Little Miss Sunshine

you know the bit during the dance routine.

I recommend a dose of Iron Maiden Now!

Springer Bell | 20 October 2008 - 3:51pm

I apoligise ganglesprocket

I was getting S club confused with S Club juniors and that together with your love of Gary Glitter......etc.

Anyway I take it all back. More power to your POP. I would have gone with you.

Springer Bell | 20 October 2008 - 4:47pm

Eek!

I look so dodgy! I didn't even notice...

ganglesprocket | 20 October 2008 - 6:15pm

Just remembered...

... every year, for about five years, Gary Glitter, Christmas Eve, Glasgow SEC, me and about ten pals.

Did I even "like" the music then? Well I distinctly remember not disliking it even though I've never owned an album of his of played a tune of his at home...

ganglesprocket | 20 October 2008 - 4:19pm

mr g is definitely aguilty pleasure

With all the recent unpleasantness it's easy to forget he was one of the best chart acts in the early 70s. Could start an interesting thread about how bad an artists behaviour has to be before you have a possible ethical problem liking their music in public?

douglas_green | 25 October 2008 - 11:20pm

If we weren't allowed to listen to...

...those artists who had led a less-than-saintly life, the only music available would be by the likes of Daniel O'Donnell - and who among us would wish to live in a world like that?

Paolo Meccano | 26 October 2008 - 10:37am

Good point

I was thinking specifically, though, about publicly liking their music. Clearly we can listen to and enjoy whatever we like we in private!

Another two (disturbingly similar) cases:

1. Jonathan King's "It Only Takes A Minute" (under the pseudonym One Hundred Ton And A Feather) is actually a pretty good pop song.

2. As were a good number of the Bay City Rollers biggest hits (despite what their drummer subsequently got up to).

douglas_green | 26 October 2008 - 12:04pm

Surely the only sensible take on this subject

was backwards7's, the last time this question came up.

Archie Valparaiso | 26 October 2008 - 12:13pm

Good point - thanks

I hadn't seen that thread before. Reminds me also of Bill Hicks' comments that if you don't want anything whatsoever to do with illegal drug taking then you should take pretty much every record you own that was made in the late 60s and burn them ...

douglas_green | 26 October 2008 - 1:10pm

This is quoted as a voice sample in the opening of

the song Third Eye by Tool on the Aenima album.

LOUDspeaker | 27 October 2008 - 10:29am

Even Daniel...

has a weakness for goats, I believe. Where does that leave us? Five Star?

Austin | 26 October 2008 - 5:36pm

mr g is definitely aguilty pleasure

just realized the unintentional double meaning of guilty - I'm not that clever

douglas_green | 25 October 2008 - 11:24pm

Discharge

I tend to airbrush out my love of early 80's hardcore punk/metal crossovers Discharge - but they were for a short period one of the most powerful, visceral bands around.
But I have stopped worrying and have learned once again to appreciate all the subtleties in their songs like "Ain't No Feeble Bastard" - listen to that bass intro!

Retro Man | 20 October 2008 - 4:25pm

Were they 'Punk's Not Dead'?

...or was that The Exploited?

stimpy | 20 October 2008 - 7:07pm

Punk's Not Dead

was the Exploited, jesus this is rattling a few skeletons in my cupboard...Discharge were their polar opposite - whereas The Exploited lurched around shouting about beating up Mods, f**king the USA and general tales of mayhem, booze, sex and violence - Discharge were ultra angst ridden anti-war, anti-nuclear, anti-well anything fun actually...
In fact they made Crass look like the Monkees.

Retro Man | 21 October 2008 - 8:46am

Talking of Mods..

Secret Affair, The Chords, The Lambrettas all have a place in my heart!

Gramsci | 21 October 2008 - 5:11pm

Westerns

Love some old Western themes; the violins and horns at the beginning of the theme to the Big Country beat any guitar intro for thrills. I saw it performed live last Saturday - beats Led Zep hands down.

Carpenters - KC had the best voice ever

Matt Munro

Even have the theme to Animal Magic on the iPod - only lasts 38 secs, but I love it

longtonian | 20 October 2008 - 10:23pm

The theme from Big Country...

...was also used as the intro to 'No Opportunity Necessary...' from Yes' Time And a Word album

stimpy | 22 October 2008 - 6:10pm

I LOVE BILLY JOEL

and actually I'm not reluctant to admit it, because his music makes me happy and I don't believe in "guilty pleasures".

his music seems to attract an awful lot of derisive snorts and that doesn't seem right.

Hannah | 22 October 2008 - 10:21am

Me too

And not embarrased in the slightest. I can never understand why he's not more widely admired.

Fraser M | 22 October 2008 - 10:48am

Uptown Girl

- which feeds into my theory that the 80s was the decade when some good artists ruined or at least compromised their reputations by releasing some of the worst (but also in a lot of cases most successful) music in their careers.

I'm thinking Rod, Elton, Bowie in particular.

Gramsci | 22 October 2008 - 1:34pm

You're probably right

But I don't get the impression Joel was ever really regarded as cred - certainly not from The Stranger onward.

Fraser M | 22 October 2008 - 2:14pm

Agreed...

He has released some schmaltz in his time... but so have many many other great musicians. Personally, I'd rather listen to Uptown Girl than I Just Called to Say I Love You any day...

Hannah | 22 October 2008 - 4:25pm

I'd rather listen to

Sarah Palin than IJCTSILYou

Fraser M | 22 October 2008 - 9:26pm

He certainly got plenty of critical acclaim...

...in the early days - around the time of 'Scenes From An Italian Restaurant' and 'Goodnight Saigon'

stimpy | 22 October 2008 - 6:25pm

He was the antithesis of cool

Had a schmaltzy streak a yard wide and could appear a little foolish (he was a good foot shorter than his missus; he allowed his brother in law to embezzle him not once but twice), but Keeping The Faith, All About Soul & River Of Dreams are fantastic songs

Graham Johns | 22 October 2008 - 11:08pm

River of Dreams...

...I really like, glad it's not just me.

milkybarnick | 23 October 2008 - 12:38pm

It's all rock 'n' roll to me....

....not that slice of ersatz cobblers, it ain't. A skinny tie "noo wave"" does not make, except, sadly, it probably did thru' MTV goggles

Retropath2 | 23 October 2008 - 12:43pm

That'd be...

It's *STILL* Rock And Roll To Me?

I think the point of the 'noo wave' tie was to make the point that 'waves' come and go but it's all the same really.

stimpy | 23 October 2008 - 1:57pm

All, Still?

Isn't.

Retropath2 | 23 October 2008 - 2:00pm

Like Billy

Saw him perform "Don't Worry Baby" at a Brian Wilson tribute concert on tv and it was one of the most thrilling live performances I've ever seen.

longtonian | 23 October 2008 - 1:59pm

Kaiser Chiefs

They seemingly have no cred now, they're the very definition of ‘generic indie’, whenever they come on the TV/radio my wife turns to me and sarcastically says 'look! it’s your favourites!' as if she’s talking to a child, the new album features the worst song title ever (‘Tomato in the Rain’) and yet...

… I like them, and will buy the new album at the weekend, knowing full well that 50% of it will disappoint me, but also knowing that the other 50% will be ace.

Andrew Rowan | 22 October 2008 - 4:55pm

Mine would be...

Level 42, do i win?!!!!

humphreym | 22 October 2008 - 5:53pm

Level 42 were a bloody good 'proper' fusion band...

...before they started singing and doing three-minute pop songs.

It's the 'Genesis' syndrome again, except that The Levs had their Gabriel years before they had any commercial success whatsoever

stimpy | 22 October 2008 - 6:01pm

oooh

I have a very soft spot for them. you're not alone!

Hannah | 22 October 2008 - 8:10pm

We could yet...

have a Level 42 revival!

humphreym | 22 October 2008 - 8:27pm

I listened to....

the first album again yesterday, and loved it! It brought me all the way back to the 80s again!

humphreym | 22 October 2008 - 6:08pm

The Sweet

get in.

badartdog | 22 October 2008 - 8:32pm

Totally in

Best guitar tone in the history of pure pop, to boot.

Archie Valparaiso | 23 October 2008 - 6:56am

Count me in

I loved them unreservedly when I was about 9, 10, 11, had huge Sweet posters on my wall, then went to secondary school & met a bunch of new mates who were into Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Stones etc (unlike me, I think they had the benefit of older siblings). Felt very foolish & ungrown-up. Pulled down posters in case mates ever came round, outwardly denied any previous allegiance & threw myself wholeheartedly into prog rock. Always loved them secretly, though, & still do.

guernseydave | 23 October 2008 - 2:04pm

I'll get my coat in readiness

I really like George Michael. I know he's a bumptious, drug-addled, toilet-frequenting car crash these days, but he's made some fine records : the early post-Wham stuff like A Different Corner & Father Figure, the truly great but tragically-titled Listen Without Prejudice album, and the belting later singles Spinning The Wheel, Fast Love & Round Here to name but a few. His covers of I Can't Make You Love Me & They Won't Go When I Go are top-notch, too.
Just me then?

Graham Johns | 22 October 2008 - 11:35pm

Nope, me too

I started listening, courtesy Mrs Path, he being one of her favourite artists. I found myself even managing to get the majority of Whams content onto i-pod also.
Careless whisper: one of the best songs ever? Discuss.


There is also, I think, a rather marvellous Ray LaMontagne duet version with someon or other, which I couldn't find.

Retropath2 | 23 October 2008 - 7:13am

Me too...

I also like George, and Wham! I was 13 when they charted for the first time, and loved them!

humphreym | 23 October 2008 - 8:27am

And me

My mum Loves George Michael and Wham! and it's rubbed off on me - apart from the ocasions when he get's a little too serious, most of his singles are top quality.

Andrew Rowan | 23 October 2008 - 2:11pm

But something's either good ...

or it isn't is it, and if it is, then there's no shame.

However, I must admit to leaving a Simple Minds track (Love Song if you must know ....) off a comp CD I made for a girl I fancied recently cos I pictured her looking down the tracklisting, and thinking 'Oh christ ....'.

You can't expect everyone to know the quality of the Minds' early-80s synth-records, after all - especially when they were probably 5 at the time.

Poacher Jake | 23 October 2008 - 10:56am

Hue and Cry anybody?

Looking for Linda is a tremendous bit of pop-soul and stands toe-to-toe with anything Wet Wet Wet did around the same time.

Also, having seen the advert umpteen times on various cable music channels, I don't half fancy buying that "Ultimate Rock Ballads" collection.

milkybarnick | 23 October 2008 - 12:43pm

A labour of love?

I like Hue & Cry and really enjoyed seeing them live in Nottingham around 18 years ago when I was a student

Martin Langkjaer | 23 October 2008 - 3:58pm

Back on tour, I think

....as we speak.
I always muddle them up with Love and Money, and was going to make a suggestion that Wordies may wish to explore the solo work of James Grant, from H&C, but of course he wasn't, being from the somehow synaptically entwined L&M, presumably as scots soul boys all.
Anyhow, H&C are back on tour, or have been.
James Grant presents as a sort of Jackie Leven lite, these days, which may sound a damning with faint, if any praise, but he isn't at all bad, in a similar celtic tinged soul/soul tinged folk/deep brown voice way. I commend "Holy Love". (Jackie Leven is so heavy, sic, that anyone who manages a lite version is and has to be on the right track.)

Retropath2 | 23 October 2008 - 4:27pm

I like both...

Hue And Cry, and Love And Money! Will check out James Grant!

humphreym | 23 October 2008 - 6:30pm

I have one James Grant Album

"Sawdust in my Veins" and its very good. Still play the Love and Money Strange Kind Of Love album and still rate it.

I did like Hue and Cry. I had Remote/The Bitter Suite a live album on tape, actually I still have and it still gets a play, especially a really good live versions of "The Man With The Child In His Eyes",and "Shipbuilding".

Springer Bell | 23 October 2008 - 7:04pm

Another vote for L&M's "Strange Kind Of Love" album

An excellent record, never so much as mentioned in dispatches anywhere else...

Metal Mickey | 24 October 2008 - 9:27am

And don't forget...

...that James Grant was/is responsible for much of the non trad arr material on the Karen Matheson (Capercaillie) solo albums. Also recommended.

Retropath2 | 24 October 2008 - 9:40am

oh I love that song

and I'll be humming it all night now

Hannah | 24 October 2008 - 5:35pm

Lionel Richie

One of the best live performers I've ever seen, and whenever people laugh at me for saying this I really stick up for the big guy.

I'm going to see him next year - tickets already booked in the presale. I'm more excited about that one than Depeche Mode (they're fantastic live too).

Oh, and PJ Harvey? Often very difficult to listen to, and frequently skipped over when she pops up on my iPod, but I think the woman is a bit of a goddess. When I first saw her in concert I stood stock-still with my mouth open the whole time, and my mate had to keep nudging me, shouting "close your mouth!" over the songs. I didn't. I couldn't.

Nasalhair | 23 October 2008 - 1:29pm

Jacko

Since he became the epitome of Losing The Plot, the standard redtop response to any mention of Jacko is amused derision, as if he's nothing but a comedy figure nowadays. And there were, true, all those allegations of inappropriate sleepovers etc. But his back-catalogue, certainly up to (and including) "Bad" is absolutely stuffed with gems. OK, a lot of that was due to the assistance of brilliant songwriters and producers, from those Jackson 5 singles ("I'll Be There", "ABC", "I Want You Back") to pretty much the whole of the "Thriller" album, there's plenty of pure gold that easily stands the test of time. Glad I'm not a "fan", though...

Paul Vincent | 23 October 2008 - 2:28pm

The J5

produced some staggeringly good music. I defy anyone to hear the first 8 bars of I Want You Back and not get a shiver down the spine.

stimpy | 24 October 2008 - 11:03am

Dr Hook!

...Sylvia's Mother, More like the Movies, Sleeping Late, Only sixteen, syrupy treasures all!

They were the first band my parents took me to see - I would have been about 5. Apparently, the show was spectacularly vulgar, but I'm afraid I can't really recall anything about it. The next band I saw was the Spinners (The yellow smock fellas, not the Detroit ones), and I still give them the odd blast on the media player, when the mood seizes me...

Otherwise, I guess Gabriel-era Genesis and Fish-era Marillion aren't considered as guilty treasures on this forum, though would probably be grounds for blacklisting elsewhere.

nicktf | 23 October 2008 - 3:50pm

I will raise you an Enya

I think Storms in Africa, Anywhere Is and Carribean Blue
are-arr-ahhhhh grrreat.

Austin | 24 October 2008 - 6:39pm

Dido?

- someone here will buy her new album surely?

Altogether now "Nothing I ha-ave / Is truly mine!"

She'd make a good word cover star surely? Lets have her, Danny Dyer, George Lamb and Russell Brand all at once.

ganglesprocket | 28 October 2008 - 5:25pm

an admission

Whigfield ~ Saturday Night

"It spoke to me yer 'onor"...

In mitgation m'Lud, only the video.

James Blast | 28 October 2008 - 11:34pm

Not proud of it

but love the new Girls Aloud single The Promise.

Haven't been able to get it out my head for weeks.

GregN | 31 October 2008 - 9:15am

In a previous blog I dissed it as being a bit dull.

I was wrong. It nags away at you like crazy. Might be their best song?

LOUDspeaker | 31 October 2008 - 10:44am

I am convinced...

It is the iconic associations that kill a reputation so often, not the music:

- Collins era Genesis: 80s yuppiedom (Phil Collins solo CDs on a coffee table). Yes, and a handful of mediocre singles... also some pretty fine ones.
- Level 42: Furry Dice
- Various (fabulous) prog bands: Pompous 6th-formers looking down their nose at anyone who didn't listen to "real music" (Fluff). The irony being that that particular snobbery is over 30 years old, and has been used against prog lovers in an "inverted snobbery" way ever since.

Anybody got any others?

Emcee_Fothering... | 2 November 2008 - 10:48am

Late to this but

I trailed around forever in the 70s to see Gallagher & Lyle, not at all a guilty pleasure. Pilot were a fab pop band too. RIP Dan Fogelberg. All these and so many others were great at times (viz Joel, Abba) but too syruppy too often ot to have slightly guilty feelings about liking.

Bruised Mike | 2 November 2008 - 7:02pm

Well Here Goes

Went to see Hue and Cry a few times in the early nineties and was never disappointed, there I've said it. I need a lie down now!

alto | 6 November 2008 - 11:18am

Diesel Park West

Have all their albums and singles and play them at least twice a week. They never even troubled credibilty but they satisfy my musical needs.

FreakGene | 7 November 2008 - 8:04am