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The Rutles - What Happened?
Posted by Rigid Digit on 15 March 2010 - 9:43pm.
Whose idea was The Rutles?
The Full True Story (A Nasty Tale....)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010531153921/http://home.earthlink.net/~wyu...
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Absolutely hearbreaking
Eric Idle..words fail me. No more Monty Python for me. Spamalot can fuck off too.
Hard to like
It has been made clear over the years, by the other Pythons especially, that Eric Idle is a piece of work. As the report on the Rutles dispute states, “in Britain most fans were aware that the Rutles was truly an equal collaboration between two very talented people. It was a product of Neil’s brilliant music and equally a product of Eric’s skillful script and his professional turns as the narrator and Dirk McQuickly.” No argument there; but taken as a whole, the 'All You Need is Cash' programme would have been little but a bunch of weak sketches and cameos without the inspired Beatles pastiches written by Innes.
If the details laid out in this report are true, then Idle really is a nasty piece of work.
Neil Innes live
I wish I was in the UK or US so that I could buy a ticket to see Neil Innes perform, not only because he's talented but because I'd think of every penny as being one that WASN'T going to Eric Idle! Three UK shows, 19/3, 20/3 and 28/3, before he's off to the US:
http://www.neilinnes.org/live.htm
Look...
I know we all "feel" for Pete Best but as History also shows,Ringo WAS the drummer for The Beatles,it's just that he didn't enter the film until a bit later on...
Call me lazy, but...
...in the spirit of Proust and Python, if anyone can summarise this for me in less than a minute I'd really appreciate it. Sorry, I just can't be bothered to read it all.
It ostensibly tells of
How Eric Idle was so upset that Neil Innes might get credit for the Rutles Archeology album (which Innes conceived, wrote and recorded with no input from Idle) that he killed it off (quite how is not explained) and Innes ended up losing his house.
Erm...
... "quite how" is explained in the link in Rigid Digit's post. Idle killed it off by demanding money for use of the word "Rutles" as well as demanding that his image not be used, but only after the CD packaging & music video were finished resulting in huge expense to re-do them. Due to wasted time & money, the promotional campaign never materialised and the LP was never the success Virgin had hoped for.
Assuming the author is correct Idle really is a right little shit, isn't he? Jesus, I can't believe that someone would go that far.
It's not that clear
they had to redesign the artwork (before printing?) and recut the video to remove some archive stuff - not a problem on a major project and, despite no lawsuit ever being brought, "Virgin panicked" and buried the album. Not really sure that was Idle's intention, as he would have made a packet out of it had it sold well.
Thanks
I appreciate it.
Lucas..
...take the time please...it's shocking.
AND this explains why I was able to see Neil in a one man show in the mid nineties for a fiver.
Oh, all right then
At some point I will. I guess there's no excuse for laziness.
I think this story needs updating
as the most recent bits are more than a decade old. wasn't there an Innes interview in Word recently?
Here you go
Neil did not lose his house and is not living in poverty. Like a great many of us he works for a living and you will find him at gigs in the UK this month and in the US next month, as mentioned above.
To quote Neil when he was told this topic was going ‘That story was wrong then and it’s wrong now’
There certainly was an article recently in Word at which he was visited at his home, and he's also been pictured in it as a 'talking head' in many a TV programme recently.
I suspected that
Maybe Fraser might want to remove this from the site, I wouldn't want Mr Idle's lawyers getting in touch with Word magazine.
Storm in a Teacup
Thanks Janice for clearing that one up. I could have sworn the rather nice house with grand piano which Neil was sat at looked like it had been lived in for some years (groaning bookshelves etc.). Mind you, Eric Idle did release a Rutles sequel a few years ago without any involvement from the others and it bombed. Glad to hear the Urban Spaceman Hitmaker is far from penury.
And that's not all!
In addition to having done bugger all of much note for decades other than resting on the mustiest, most notoriously withered laurels in show business, and despite having had absolutely zero input in the writing or recording of the Rutles songs, guess who insisted on a whopping 50% of the U.S. royalties and residuals from all the Rutles songs, on pain of M'Lud?
Yep. Those Beatles really are a nasty pieces of work, aren't they.
Oh.
Actually, to be absolutely accurate, it was ATV Music, and the surviving Fabs themselves probably had no inkling that that "their people" were being so, er, zealous on their behalf, but if Neil Innes was chizzed out of his just deserts on the Rutles project, it was hardly Eric Idle's doing.
Neil Innes is, by all accounts, almost certainly a top bloke and Eric Idle is, by all accounts, almost certainly, er, a bloke, but in the absence of the Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life hitmaker's version of events, I think all we can reasonably conclude is that two former creative partners who went way back had a big falling-out (oh, the irony), more or less got it sorted it out a few years later, and are now both rather embarrassed about the whole affair.
The irony.
Life imitating art, imitating art and life.
Or summat.
Also to update the story further
the unbelievably poor Rutles 2: Can't Buy Me Lunch that simply rehashed the original footage with a few out takes and new interviews with musicians that were sometime amusing although the best didn't even make the final cut
The rest were poor links by Idle and allegedly he even approached Innes to write some new songs for it. Innes refused unsurprisingly but Idle used some of the songs from the Archeology LP he was so keen to stop. The ruddy nerve!
Luckily this went straight to bargain bin.
When you think of what a second Rutles film could have been
- Barry's drinking and Thomas The Tram voiceovers
- Stig's continued allegience to Arthur Sultan and his film company set up to finance the controversial Dick Emery 'Oooh You Are Awful' movie
- Dirk's seal clubbing scandal and the 2nd marriage to Nasty's ex Chastity
- Nasty's 'Lost Weekend' in which he watched all six seasons of the popular series in a Brandy Alexander fuelled binge
but no, Idle pissed over his own work as readily as his pal Dan Akroyd did with 'Blues Brothers 2000'